On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for burgers... made
> > up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four to a gallon zip-loc, and
> > popped in the freezer. This was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat
> > here. Often we share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is
> > gone.
> > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit, we're
> > hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the basement...
> > occasionally it does and then after the water drains we have silt to
> > vacuum. Everything is up off the basement floor, on steel shelves and
> > the fridge is up on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they
> > know to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans
> > are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to
> > deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > rain.
> I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have been pretty hungry.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7

I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in Hawai'i.

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for burgers... made
> > > up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four to a gallon zip-loc, and
> > > popped in the freezer. This was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat
> > > here. Often we share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is
> > > gone.
> > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit, we're
> > > hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the basement...
> > > occasionally it does and then after the water drains we have silt to
> > > vacuum. Everything is up off the basement floor, on steel shelves and
> > > the fridge is up on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they
> > > know to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans
> > > are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to
> > > deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > > rain.
> > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have been pretty hungry.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in Hawai'i.
They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't care for either but felt the need to move it out from the refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added to improve the texture and the whole thing was coated with fried onions. I liked how it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf has almost zero fat.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for burgers... made
> > > up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four to a gallon zip-loc, and
> > > popped in the freezer. This was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat
> > > here. Often we share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is
> > > gone.
> > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit, we're
> > > hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the basement...
> > > occasionally it does and then after the water drains we have silt to
> > > vacuum. Everything is up off the basement floor, on steel shelves and
> > > the fridge is up on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they
> > > know to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans
> > > are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to
> > > deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > > rain.
> > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the whole
> > thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have been pretty
> > hungry.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in Hawai'i.
They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly a
marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded turkey
meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't care for
either but felt the need to move it out from the refrigerator. My wife said
it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought to myself "oh no!" A whole can of
corn was added to improve the texture and the whole thing was coated with
fried onions. I liked how it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of
grease. A turkey meatloaf has almost zero fat.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

=====

If your wife said it was the best meatloaf ever .. who are you to
disagree??? <g>

dsi1 wrote:

> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for
> > > > burgers... made up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four
> > > > to a gallon zip-loc, and popped in the freezer. This was from
> > > > lovely roasts, no mystery meat here. Often we share one,
> > > > probably will tomorrow... the turkey is gone.
> > > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit,
> > > > we're hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the
> > > > basement... occasionally it does and then after the water
> > > > drains we have silt to vacuum. Everything is up off the
> > > > basement floor, on steel shelves and the fridge is up on cement
> > > > blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they know to walk on
> > > > cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans are up on
> > > > cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to deal
> > > > with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > > > rain.
> > > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the
> > > whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have
> > > been pretty hungry.
> > >
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> > I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in
> > Hawai'i.
> They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly
> a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded
> turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't
> care for either but felt the need to move it out from the
> refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought
> to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added to improve the
> texture and the whole thing was coated with fried onions. I liked how
> it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf
> has almost zero fat.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

Better you than me!

I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
time!

On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone
> > wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for
> > > > > burgers... made up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four
> > > > > to a gallon zip-loc, and popped in the freezer. This was from
> > > > > lovely roasts, no mystery meat here. Often we share one,
> > > > > probably will tomorrow... the turkey is gone.
> > > > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit,
> > > > > we're hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the
> > > > > basement... occasionally it does and then after the water
> > > > > drains we have silt to vacuum. Everything is up off the
> > > > > basement floor, on steel shelves and the fridge is up on cement
> > > > > blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they know to walk on
> > > > > cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans are up on
> > > > > cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to deal
> > > > > with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
> > > > > rain.
> > > > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the
> > > > whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have
> > > > been pretty hungry.
> > > >
> > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> > > I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in
> > > Hawai'i.
> > They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly
> > a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded
> > turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't
> > care for either but felt the need to move it out from the
> > refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought
> > to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added to improve the
> > texture and the whole thing was coated with fried onions. I liked how
> > it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf
> > has almost zero fat.
> >
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> Better you than me!
>
> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> time!
I don't like kale or ground turkey either. OTOH, getting ground turkey to be eatable is certainly a challenge. My guess is that I'm up to the challenge and can make ground turkey that looks and tastes like beef. I'll bet that I can make kale taste like luau leaves. That would be just awesome.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 3:01:42 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition
> > > Zone wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for
> > > > > > burgers... made up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks,
> > > > > > four to a gallon zip-loc, and popped in the freezer. This
> > > > > > was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat here. Often we
> > > > > > share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is gone.
> > > > > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's
> > > > > > limit, we're hoping the French drain doesn't back up into
> > > > > > the basement... occasionally it does and then after the
> > > > > > water drains we have silt to vacuum. Everything is up off
> > > > > > the basement floor, on steel shelves and the fridge is up
> > > > > > on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they know
> > > > > > to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the
> > > > > > pans are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We
> > > > > > learned how to deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a
> > > > > > half hour from the heavy rain.
> > > > > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate
> > > > > the whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must
> > > > > have been pretty hungry.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
> > > > I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in
> > > > Hawai'i.
> > > They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's
> > > mostly a marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the
> > > dreaded turkey meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed
> > > kale. I don't care for either but felt the need to move it out
> > > from the refrigerator. My wife said it was the best meatloaf
> > > ever. I thought to myself "oh no!" A whole can of corn was added
> > > to improve the texture and the whole thing was coated with fried
> > > onions. I liked how it didn't come out of the oven in a pool of
> > > grease. A turkey meatloaf has almost zero fat.
> > >
> > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> > Better you than me!
> >
> > I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> > appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J
> > that time!
> I don't like kale or ground turkey either. OTOH, getting ground
> turkey to be eatable is certainly a challenge. My guess is that I'm
> up to the challenge and can make ground turkey that looks and tastes
> like beef. I'll bet that I can make kale taste like luau leaves. That
> would be just awesome.

Hehe ok, but YOU eat it! Not me!

On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:

>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
>
> Better you than me!
>
> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> time!
>

Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey
meatloaf.

On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
>>
>> Better you than me!
>>
>> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
>> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
>> time!
>>
>
> Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.

I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.

Gary wrote:

> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> >>
> >> Better you than me!
> >>
> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> >> time!
> >>
> >
> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.
> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.


Ground poultry of any kind "icks" me out, I guess it's the texture...

--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 07:21:48 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
>> >>
>> >> Better you than me!
>> >>
>> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
>> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
>> >> time!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
>> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.
>> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
>> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.
>
>
>Ground poultry of any kind "icks" me out, I guess it's the texture...

Ground raw turkey may be suitable for feeding starving cats.

On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> >>
> >> Better you than me!
> >>
> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> >> time!
> >>
> >
> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.
> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.

Sometimes I can get ground turkey for $.99/#. I'm going to try making a
small turkey meatloaf, seasoned with lots of sage, onion, celery and black
pepper.
It probably won't be very good, but who knows?

--Bryan

wrote:

> On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> > On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >> dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >>>
> > >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
> > >>
> > >> Better you than me!
> > >>
> > >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
> > >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
> > >> time!
> > >>
> > >
> > > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
> > > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.
> > I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
> > gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.
> Sometimes I can get ground turkey for $.99/#. I'm going to try making a
> small turkey meatloaf, seasoned with lots of sage, onion, celery and black
> pepper.
> It probably won't be very good, but who knows?
>
> --Bryan


Hey Bryan mate, read this and relax while you "beat" your "loaf"...and I hope that your "turkey" makes a nice loud "gobble" :-)


"Glory Hole

Gender: Male
Author: Bruce

I learned how to masturbate at age 11, during the summer of 1990 (I am currently 58). The interesting thing about my discovery is that at that same time, I was also discovering that I was "different." Years later would realize "different" meant I was ***.

That summer I was staying at a local beach with my family, and I had somehow noticed that in one of the public restrooms in the beach center, there was a stall with a small hole that allowed you to see into the next stall. I was curious about this hole, though I did not know why. One time I was there, I saw a guy in the next stall masturbating, though at that age I had no idea what he was doing €” just that he was moving his hand up and down his penis. I tried to imitate what he was doing, and in that process had my first orgasm and ejaculation, though I still had no idea what was going on. Even though it was a bit scary at first, from that day on I continued to masturbate every day, realizing the more I did it how good it felt. I was alarmed at first, though, when my penis seemed to be a bit disfigured (wider at the upper end) from masturbating, but this went away after a few months. I did it in the bathroom, in my bed, wherever I could. It probably wasn't until age 13 that I realized that what I was doing was "masturbating."

When I was 15 I had a friend who talked openly about masturbating. He said he did it every day, like me. (By this age I was probably doing it 12 or 13 times a day.) We talked about where we did it, our techniques, and all that good stuff. It felt great to finally talk about it with someone. Inside, though, I knew I was secretly wishing that I could masturbate with him, or that I could watch him masturbate. I was still in denial about being ***, but knew that I fantasized about boys all the time. There actually was one time that I did get to see him masturbate, because there was a key hole looking into his bathroom, and I knew he did it in the shower. I definitely incorporated my visions of him into my fantasies for quite a while after that experience.

I eventually came out of the closet at age 16, and I found plenty of *** people who were comfortable talking about masturbating, which was great. On the flipside, I was 17 when I started college and shared a room with a straight roommate. I knew right off the bat that I wanted to bring up the topic with him, because I had never shared a room with anyone before, and I had always masturbated when I went to bed at night and didn't plan on stopping. I told him all this, and he was cool about it. He said he would probably do it in the shower, but he didn't care if I did it as long as I wasn't too loud or anything. (I could respect that, even though it was hard, since I am very vocal when I orgasm.) There actually was one time that I did hear him masturbating late at night, when he thought I was asleep, which was a big turn-on for me of course.

At age 58, I still masturbate at least six times a day, 12 or 13 times on a good day. Having an orgasm is still the greatest feeling in the world to me, and it's such a great stress reliever after a long day at work. I have tried many of the techniques but still find the standard pumping-up-and-down-with-my-right-hand to be my favorite method. I hope some of the younger readers out there will read this and realize that they are not alone, and that masturbating is a completely natural and wonderful experience..."

</>

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:01:28 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 6:19:24 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
>> On 12/3/2020 11:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 12/3/2020 8:01 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA
>> >>
>> >> Better you than me!
>> >>
>> >> I dislike Kale. Not fond of turkey and zero fat meatloaf has no
>> >> appeal... Sorry. Normally I love your meals but I'd have a PB&J that
>> >> time!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Only way to use ground turkey is to mix one part turkey to 4 parts pork.
>> > I made sausage like that and it was good. No interest in turkey meatloaf.
>> I would think a turkey meatloaf might be good *if* you make a turkey
>> gravy from turkey stock to pour over the slices.
>
>Sometimes I can get ground turkey for $.99/#. I'm going to try making a
>small turkey meatloaf, seasoned with lots of sage, onion, celery and black
>pepper.
>It probably won't be very good, but who knows?

At least it will be cheap!

writes:
>On Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 6:11:06 AM UTC-10, Transition Zone wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 6:04:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> > > On such a pouring rain day I thought to grind beef for burgers... made
>> > > up eight 12 ounce burgers/ground steaks, four to a gallon zip-loc, and
>> > > popped in the freezer. This was from lovely roasts, no mystery meat
>> > > here. Often we share one, probably will tomorrow... the turkey is
>> > > gone.
>> > > Damn it's raining hard, the creek in front is at it's limit, we're
>> > > hoping the French drain doesn't back up into the basement...
>> > > occasionally it does and then after the water drains we have silt to
>> > > vacuum. Everything is up off the basement floor, on steel shelves and
>> > > the fridge is up on cement blocks, as are the cat litter pans... they
>> > > know to walk on cement blocks to get to their litter pans... the pans
>> > > are up on cement blocks too or they will float. We learned how to
>> > > deal with it. Even Dish TV went out for a half hour from the heavy
>> > > rain.
>> > I had a teriyaki burger yesterday. It was okay although I ate the
>whole thing. I usually can't eat a whole burger so I must have been
>pretty hungry.
>> >
>> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/C84mWQDMRWNFpVLJ7
>> I hear that japanese wagyu beef burgers are expensive there in Hawai'i.
>They probably are. I've never had one but that's because it's mostly a
>marketing strategy of some sort. Last night I made the dreaded turkey
>meatloaf and served it with the dreaded creamed kale. I don't care for
>either but felt the need to move it out from the refrigerator. My wife
>said it was the best meatloaf ever. I thought to myself "oh no!" A whole
>can of corn was added to improve the texture and the whole thing was
>coated with fried onions. I liked how it didn't come out of the oven in
>a pool of grease. A turkey meatloaf has almost zero fat.
>
>https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Q7XFY7YZqeEwpfNA

"Turkey can never beat cow, Chris. Sorry." -Ron Swanson

https://youtu.be/Q84nfWkLsYU?t=56