On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:09:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:03:43 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT), "
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >One of my co-workers charged every single thing to his reward card and paid
>> >> >it off monthly. He was able to accumulate enough air miles to fly round-trip
>> >> >to Australia for free. Twice.
>> >>
>> >> I'd hate that. I also rarely go to Europe for that reason. 20 hours of
>> >> pretending you're a sardine...
>> >>
>> >When he first shared how he was able to make the trip twice my first thought
>> >was could I stand being in a plane for 20 straight hours? I'd probably be
>> >twitching and drooling by the time it landed.
>>
>> My Oz cousins would like me to visit but I have told them it will
>> never happen, for just that reason.
>>
>Have you checked the flights to see if any of them are overnight stops at a
>hotel like Bruce described? If none in North America do that just tell your
>cousins THEY'LL have to be the ones coming to see YOU.

Nah I'm a stay at home now

On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 09:27:38 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 20:13:58 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:01:24 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 5:47:16 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You get a stop halfway, at least between AU and EU. With Japanese
>>>> Airlines, we got a complimentary overnight stay in an airport hotel.
>>>> That breaks the ordeal up nicely, but still.
>>>>
>>>Ok! He didn't share that little tidbit. I'd probably be fine with that unless
>>>there was a screaming kid (screaming for hours) or some loony-tune on the plane
>>>that decided they needed fresh air or the pilots needed their help.
>>
>>I had one of those (kids) on a flight to the UK. She was about 3, her
>>parents had never said no to her and suddenly they had to when they
>>were told to keep her in her seat (behind me) and not let her run all
>>over the 'plane getting in the way. She screamed herself to sleep and
>>started screaming all over again as we were heading to Heathrow. There
>>was a young student next to me heading to Cambridge. When we were
>>queued to deplane, he remarked to me how awful the kid had been and I
>>said to him 'always remember this night and wear a condom' - we parted
>>on a good laugh, the parents behind us were 'not amused'.
>
>Little did he know you've produced an entire army of offspring.

None of which are allowed to disrupt other peoples peace like that.

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:46:37 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:14:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> I had one of those (kids) on a flight to the UK. She was about 3, her
>> parents had never said no to her and suddenly they had to when they
>> were told to keep her in her seat (behind me) and not let her run all
>> over the 'plane getting in the way. She screamed herself to sleep and
>> started screaming all over again as we were heading to Heathrow. There
>> was a young student next to me heading to Cambridge. When we were
>> queued to deplane, he remarked to me how awful the kid had been and I
>> said to him 'always remember this night and wear a condom' - we parted
>> on a good laugh, the parents behind us were 'not amused'.
>>
>Excellent advice! And I wouldn't care if the parents were amused or not because
>you certainly wasn't amused at her screaming. I'd been attempted to pour a
>shot of whiskey down the tikes throat.
>
>Many years ago I made a trip to the south rim of the Grand Canyon. There were
>small buses that would pick up hikers and take them back to parking lot.
>
>I'm pooped as I'd walked as about as far as was open on the rim and caught one
>of the buses. It was absolutely jammed packed; standing room only. What's
>on the bus, too? A foreign couple with their 5 or 6 year old hellion scream-
>ing "I HATE IT, I HATE IT, I HATE IT" at the top of his lungs. The bus
>driver tried in vain to point out a few local facts but nobody could hear a
>word he was saying. Did she parents try to soothe or shush him one single
>time?? Of course not, they acted he wasn't even on the bus.
>
>Everybody on the bus was annoyed as hell at the kid and his nonchalant,
>nothing's wrong, this is perfectly acceptable behavior, parents.

That's the thing that gets me - they do not consider other people,
I've raised mine and I don't want to go through that again! I feel it
is bad for a child to be raised not considering other people and what
they would like, it's teaching them to be introverts.

"Bruce" wrote in message news
On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 10:01:31 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 09:22:49 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>> > I don't really know what a 'check register' is, but we rarely go
>>> > into
>>> >our bank. We do all our banking online like you.
>>>
>>> I don't know what a 'check register' is either.
>>
>>A check register is a blank book that you fill in each time you
>>make a bank (checking acct.) purchase using a check or a debit
>>card. It's for your own records and you constantly know what your
>>balance is or should be.
>>
>>Everytime I use either, I immediately write in the check number
>>and amount. If using a debit card (most times) I always ask for a
>>receipt and it stays in my wallet until I note it my check
>>register.
>>
>>My register records check # , date written and amount.
>>For debit card, it says "Debit," date written and amount.
>>
>>It's only smart to do this and compare with bank statement. Banks
>>can and do make mistakes occasionally. Your only proof to contest
>>that is your register with amount and dates.
>
>I can't see myself do this. Maybe if someone held a gun to my head.
>Maybe.
>
>===
>
> It is easy enough to print off a bank statement and save those if you
>wanted to.

Yes, but to manually fill in a "check register"? Life's too short IMO.

====

Not my preference but I suppose they don't like a lot of my preferences
either)

On 8/7/2019 10:00 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 09:22:17 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> Last time we had a major power outage (whole island) supermarket
>> tills stopped working, so couldn't be used to pay with either cash or
>> cards. Also all the windows are at one end of the store and most of it
>> was pretty much in darkness.
>>
>> The manager issued torches to the staff and made all essential
>> goods available to locals "on tick". Customers waited outside, handed in
>> a written shopping list with their contact details on it, staff fetched
>> the goods by torchlight and handed them over, no payment required. After
>> the shop re-opened (on generators, the next day) we settled up our
>> shopping lists.
>
> Did you all sing authentic English folk songs as you walked back to
> the supermarket?
>
Unlikely. Scottish folksongs, perhaps...

On 2019-08-06, > wrote:

> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!

Never claimed to be the sharpest khife in the drawer, plus haven't
bought any gasoline in ages. So long, in fact, I'd forgotten about it
until it was brought up, again.

nb

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 13:23:02 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 8/7/2019 10:00 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 09:22:17 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> Last time we had a major power outage (whole island) supermarket
>>> tills stopped working, so couldn't be used to pay with either cash or
>>> cards. Also all the windows are at one end of the store and most of it
>>> was pretty much in darkness.
>>>
>>> The manager issued torches to the staff and made all essential
>>> goods available to locals "on tick". Customers waited outside, handed in
>>> a written shopping list with their contact details on it, staff fetched
>>> the goods by torchlight and handed them over, no payment required. After
>>> the shop re-opened (on generators, the next day) we settled up our
>>> shopping lists.
>>
>> Did you all sing authentic English folk songs as you walked back to
>> the supermarket?
>>
>Unlikely. Scottish folksongs, perhaps...

Ok.

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 13:19:40 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message news >
>On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 10:01:31 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 09:22:49 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>>> > I don't really know what a 'check register' is, but we rarely go
>>>> > into
>>>> >our bank. We do all our banking online like you.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what a 'check register' is either.
>>>
>>>A check register is a blank book that you fill in each time you
>>>make a bank (checking acct.) purchase using a check or a debit
>>>card. It's for your own records and you constantly know what your
>>>balance is or should be.
>>>
>>>Everytime I use either, I immediately write in the check number
>>>and amount. If using a debit card (most times) I always ask for a
>>>receipt and it stays in my wallet until I note it my check
>>>register.
>>>
>>>My register records check # , date written and amount.
>>>For debit card, it says "Debit," date written and amount.
>>>
>>>It's only smart to do this and compare with bank statement. Banks
>>>can and do make mistakes occasionally. Your only proof to contest
>>>that is your register with amount and dates.
>>
>>I can't see myself do this. Maybe if someone held a gun to my head.
>>Maybe.
>>
>>===
>>
>> It is easy enough to print off a bank statement and save those if you
>>wanted to.
>
>Yes, but to manually fill in a "check register"? Life's too short IMO.
>
>====
>
> Not my preference but I suppose they don't like a lot of my preferences
>either)

Probably

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:25:22 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 9:37:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > ==
> >
> > (
>
> My son heard a cat outside our door late one night. He opened the door and a
> cat walked in like he owned the joint. He had a slash on is belly that left
> his guts exposed but you'd never know it since he seemed perfectly fine with
> the condition. We got his belly sewed up and he's been a big pest ever
> since. In this case, the cat chose us - we had no say in the matter.
>
> ===
>
> Lucky cat) Or he was once he adopted you)

That cat was certainly lucky alright. My daughter walked in the house with a little kitty on Monday. She found it in the parking lot. My granddaughter said that she thought that the owner was dead and everybody else in his family was dead so we had to keep him.

Yesterday, I was in the kitchen and heard some soft mewing outside. When I opened the door, there were two kittens playing in the dirt. One of them just walked into the house, I tried to grab the other one but it ran off. Evidently, kitty cats are trending. What's going to happen next? I do not know..

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:25:22 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 9:37:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > ==
> >
> > (
>
> My son heard a cat outside our door late one night. He opened the door and
> a
> cat walked in like he owned the joint. He had a slash on is belly that
> left
> his guts exposed but you'd never know it since he seemed perfectly fine
> with
> the condition. We got his belly sewed up and he's been a big pest ever
> since. In this case, the cat chose us - we had no say in the matter.
>
> ===
>
> Lucky cat) Or he was once he adopted you)

That cat was certainly lucky alright. My daughter walked in the house with a
little kitty on Monday. She found it in the parking lot. My granddaughter
said that she thought that the owner was dead and everybody else in his
family was dead so we had to keep him.

Yesterday, I was in the kitchen and heard some soft mewing outside. When I
opened the door, there were two kittens playing in the dirt. One of them
just walked into the house, I tried to grab the other one but it ran off.
Evidently, kitty cats are trending. What's going to happen next? I do not
know.

===

Uhoh! The word is out among the cat population!!!!

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 12:02:39 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:25:22 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 9:37:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > (
> >
> > My son heard a cat outside our door late one night. He opened the door and
> > a
> > cat walked in like he owned the joint. He had a slash on is belly that
> > left
> > his guts exposed but you'd never know it since he seemed perfectly fine
> > with
> > the condition. We got his belly sewed up and he's been a big pest ever
> > since. In this case, the cat chose us - we had no say in the matter.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Lucky cat) Or he was once he adopted you)
>
> That cat was certainly lucky alright. My daughter walked in the house with a
> little kitty on Monday. She found it in the parking lot. My granddaughter
> said that she thought that the owner was dead and everybody else in his
> family was dead so we had to keep him.
>
> Yesterday, I was in the kitchen and heard some soft mewing outside. When I
> opened the door, there were two kittens playing in the dirt. One of them
> just walked into the house, I tried to grab the other one but it ran off.
> Evidently, kitty cats are trending. What's going to happen next? I do not
> know.
>
> ===
>
> Uhoh! The word is out among the cat population!!!!

I just heard a cat meowing outside my window. When I opened the door, it was just our cat that wanted in. That was a relief! Ha ha, he was soaking wet.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...D-pdFnxSHJ3B_p

On 8/4/2019 5:12 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 4:07:47 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 8/4/2019 4:25 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> I may be wrong, but I took it to mean the door inside the house leading to the
>>> basement. Most likely, that's where the litter boxes are kept.
>>>
>>
>> The litter boxes are kept in the basement for his *indoor* cats. Why
>> would they need a cat door to the outside?
>>
>> Jill
>>
> I don't think the indoor cats ever go outside, I could be wrong though. I'm
> thinking the door leading to the basement from the main floor has a cat door.
>
Mea culpa! I'm sure I misinterpreted it. I tend to think of cat doors
as being for indoor/outdoor cats.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/4/2019 5:12 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 4:07:47 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8/4/2019 4:25 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I may be wrong, but I took it to mean the door inside the house
>>>> leading to the
>>>> basement.* Most likely, that's where the litter boxes are kept.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The litter boxes are kept in the basement for his *indoor* cats.
>>> Why
>>> would they need a cat door to the outside?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>> I don't think the indoor cats ever go outside, I could be wrong
>> though.* I'm
>> thinking the door leading to the basement from the main floor has
>> a cat door.
>>
> Mea culpa!* I'm sure I misinterpreted it.* I tend to think of cat
> doors as being for indoor/outdoor cats.
>
> Jill

No problemo Jill. Sometimes it is hard to understand Popeye,
especially after a liberal libation of his Crystal Palace, and a
sexual hookup. It leaves our poor admiral in a confused, blubbering
state.

wrote:

> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
> >
> >> The crooks had
> >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
> >
> > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
> > of the major networks.
> >
> > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
> > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
> > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
> > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
> >
> > nb
>
> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!

No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 12:02:39 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 2:25:22 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 9:37:03 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > (
> >
> > My son heard a cat outside our door late one night. He opened the door
> > and
> > a
> > cat walked in like he owned the joint. He had a slash on is belly that
> > left
> > his guts exposed but you'd never know it since he seemed perfectly fine
> > with
> > the condition. We got his belly sewed up and he's been a big pest ever
> > since. In this case, the cat chose us - we had no say in the matter.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > Lucky cat) Or he was once he adopted you)
>
> That cat was certainly lucky alright. My daughter walked in the house with
> a
> little kitty on Monday. She found it in the parking lot. My granddaughter
> said that she thought that the owner was dead and everybody else in his
> family was dead so we had to keep him.
>
> Yesterday, I was in the kitchen and heard some soft mewing outside. When I
> opened the door, there were two kittens playing in the dirt. One of them
> just walked into the house, I tried to grab the other one but it ran off.
> Evidently, kitty cats are trending. What's going to happen next? I do not
> know.
>
> ===
>
> Uhoh! The word is out among the cat population!!!!

I just heard a cat meowing outside my window. When I opened the door, it was
just our cat that wanted in. That was a relief! Ha ha, he was soaking wet.


https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...D-pdFnxSHJ3B_p

===

Awww such a cutie) I suspect when we get too old to walk our dogs we
will find a cat to love)

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> > >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
> > >
> > >> The crooks had
> > >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
> > >
> > > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
> > > of the major networks.
> > >
> > > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
> > > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
> > > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
> > > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
> > >
> > > nb
> >
> > You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>
> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.

Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> The crooks had
>> > >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>> > >
>> > > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>> > > of the major networks.
>> > >
>> > > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>> > > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>> > > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>> > > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>> > >
>> > > nb
>> >
>> > You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>>
>> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>
>Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.

I plan to go through my entire life without knowing, wondering or
asking what an RFID chip is. So far so good!

Ophelia wrote:
> I suspect when we get too old to walk our dogs we
> will find a cat to love)

When you get too old to walk a dog,
better to find a dog that will walk YOU.
You'll live longer that way.

On Wed, 07 Aug 2019 21:11:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote:
>
>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The crooks had
>> >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>> >
>> > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>> > of the major networks.
>> >
>> > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>> > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>> > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>> > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>> >
>> > nb
>>
>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>
>No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.

He was talking about when they used to apply an extra gadget round the
slot where your card went - we were not talking about now!!

BTW RFID protectors are not needed anymore, the banks remedied that
quite some time ago.

On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:43:57 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> The crooks had
> >> > >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
> >> > >
> >> > > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
> >> > > of the major networks.
> >> > >
> >> > > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
> >> > > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
> >> > > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
> >> > > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
> >> > >
> >> > > nb
> >> >
> >> > You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
> >>
> >> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
> >> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
> >> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
> >
> >Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>
> I plan to go through my entire life without knowing, wondering or
> asking what an RFID chip is. So far so good!

Refrain from wondering no longer. It's chip that receives signals from
a source of RF (radio frequency) emissions and answers back with its
ID (identity).

I've got one on the access card for the building I work in. I wave it
at the sensor and the door unlocks. It works right through my wallet.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/5/2019 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> I don't have a smartphone but I am able to scan actual checks into my
>> bank account or have them direct deposited. If he wants cash, ATM's are
>> available outside of normal banking hours. Cash back at checkout
>> sometimes costs extra. Depends on the store.
>
> Pay attention, Jill. I have most things direct deposited. I don't
> go to a bank for cash, I get plenty of that by getting cash back
> from various stores. None charge me for that.
>
> My once a year bank trip just for $100 cash in ones. Once the
> hurricane season is done, they become petty cash that I use all
> the time. No need to save them in a box and never use them. Are
> you (and Sheldon) that stupid?
>
Set the hurricane issue aside for a moment. Upthread you mentioned
"lazy bankers", from which I inferred a complaint that banks aren't open
at the crack of dawn which is apparently when you do your grocery
shopping. That why I said that's what ATM's are for.

Jill

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 04:52:02 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:43:57 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> The crooks had
>> >> > >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>> >> > > of the major networks.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>> >> > > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>> >> > > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>> >> > > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > nb
>> >> >
>> >> > You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>> >>
>> >> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>> >> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>> >> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>> >
>> >Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>>
>> I plan to go through my entire life without knowing, wondering or
>> asking what an RFID chip is. So far so good!
>
>Refrain from wondering no longer. It's chip that receives signals from
>a source of RF (radio frequency) emissions and answers back with its
>ID (identity).
>
>I've got one on the access card for the building I work in. I wave it
>at the sensor and the door unlocks. It works right through my wallet.

Ok, thanks, now I know

On 8/6/2019 10:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/6/2019 10:08 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2019-08-06 7:48 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2019-08-06 8:38 p.m., graham wrote:
>>>> On 2019-08-06 5:10 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have two friends who went to New Zealand last winter.Â* One is
>>>>> rather frugal and went coach.Â* The other is a retired airline pilot
>>>>> and one of his retirement perks is an fantastic discount on a
>>>>> flight once a year. Since his daughter lives in NZ. Last year he
>>>>> flew from Toronto to Vancouver,to Perth and on to Aukland. His
>>>>> total airfare for him and his wife was under $400, and that
>>>>> included individual pods. The guy who went coach had briefly
>>>>> considered a pod until he heard the cost... $1500.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For that distance it's worth it!
>>>
>>> That's $1500 per person each way.
>>
>> Each "helluva long" way!!!
>
> Depends on how much $6000 means to you.Â* I could take a nice vacation
> for 2 or 3 weeks on that.Â* I'll play sardine to not spend it on a nice
> seat but on other parts of a vacation.Â* Different priorities.
>
I hear that, Ed! I'd rather take a leisurely road trip, stopping at
interesting little out of the way places (and discovering fun little
diners) along the way.

Jill

On 8/8/2019 8:05 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 04:52:02 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:43:57 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The crooks had
>>>>>>>> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>>>>>>> of the major networks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>>>>>>> gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>>>>>>> padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>>>>>>> out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>>>>>
>>>>> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>>>>> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>>>>> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>>>>
>>>> Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>>>
>>> I plan to go through my entire life without knowing, wondering or
>>> asking what an RFID chip is. So far so good!
>>
>> Refrain from wondering no longer. It's chip that receives signals from
>> a source of RF (radio frequency) emissions and answers back with its
>> ID (identity).
>>
>> I've got one on the access card for the building I work in. I wave it
>> at the sensor and the door unlocks. It works right through my wallet.
>
> Ok, thanks, now I know
>

Credit cards now have EMV ships, not RFID so they are more secure.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
> I suspect when we get too old to walk our dogs we
> will find a cat to love)

When you get too old to walk a dog,
better to find a dog that will walk YOU.
You'll live longer that way.

===

LOL something to think about)

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 04:52:02 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:43:57 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> The crooks had
>> >> > >> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>> >> > > of the major networks.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>> >> > > gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>> >> > > padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>> >> > > out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > nb
>> >> >
>> >> > You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>> >>
>> >> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>> >> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>> >> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>> >
>> >Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>>
>> I plan to go through my entire life without knowing, wondering or
>> asking what an RFID chip is. So far so good!
>
>Refrain from wondering no longer. It's chip that receives signals from
>a source of RF (radio frequency) emissions and answers back with its
>ID (identity).
>
>I've got one on the access card for the building I work in. I wave it
>at the sensor and the door unlocks. It works right through my wallet.

Ok, thanks, now I know

===

Me too because I didn't know either Thanks Cindy

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The crooks had
>>>>> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>>>>
>>>> They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>>>> of the major networks.
>>>>
>>>> They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>>>> gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>>>> padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>>>> out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>>
>> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>
> Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
How'd you manage that? Does your bank give you a choice of whether
or not to have the chips?

On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 3:40:38 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The crooks had
> >>>>> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
> >>>>
> >>>> They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
> >>>> of the major networks.
> >>>>
> >>>> They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
> >>>> gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
> >>>> padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
> >>>> out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
> >>>>
> >>>> nb
> >>>
> >>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
> >>
> >> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
> >> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
> >> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
> >
> > Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> How'd you manage that? Does your bank give you a choice of whether
> or not to have the chips?

It has a chip, but not an RFID chip. RFID is a very specific kind of
chip (for that matter, so is the EMV chip on credit and debit cards).

Cindy Hamilton

In article >, says...
>
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > "Ophelia" wrote:
> > > I don't really know what a 'check register' is, but we rarely go into
> > >our bank. We do all our banking online like you.
> >
> > I don't know what a 'check register' is either.
>
> A check register is a blank book that you fill in each time you
> make a bank (checking acct.) purchase using a check or a debit
> card. It's for your own records and you constantly know what your
> balance is or should be.


> Everytime I use either, I immediately write in the check number
> and amount. If using a debit card (most times) I always ask for a
> receipt and it stays in my wallet until I note it my check
> register.
>
> My register records check # , date written and amount.
> For debit card, it says "Debit," date written and amount.
>
> It's only smart to do this and compare with bank statement. Banks
> can and do make mistakes occasionally. Your only proof to contest
> that is your register with amount and dates.

How quaint. Do you mark your check register on a slate?

In UK, banking regulations, controls and customer protections are
very different.

Janet UK

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 21:55:51 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> > "Ophelia" wrote:
>> > > I don't really know what a 'check register' is, but we rarely go into
>> > >our bank. We do all our banking online like you.
>> >
>> > I don't know what a 'check register' is either.
>>
>> A check register is a blank book that you fill in each time you
>> make a bank (checking acct.) purchase using a check or a debit
>> card. It's for your own records and you constantly know what your
>> balance is or should be.
>
>
>> Everytime I use either, I immediately write in the check number
>> and amount. If using a debit card (most times) I always ask for a
>> receipt and it stays in my wallet until I note it my check
>> register.
>>
>> My register records check # , date written and amount.
>> For debit card, it says "Debit," date written and amount.
>>
>> It's only smart to do this and compare with bank statement. Banks
>> can and do make mistakes occasionally. Your only proof to contest
>> that is your register with amount and dates.
>
> How quaint. Do you mark your check register on a slate?
>
> In UK, banking regulations, controls and customer protections are
>very different.

Let me guess. Much better? Authentic folk songs?

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 14:40:34 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The crooks had
>>>>>> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>>>>>
>>>>> They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>>>>> of the major networks.
>>>>>
>>>>> They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>>>>> gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>>>>> padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>>>>> out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>>>
>>> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>>> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>>> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>>
>> Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>How'd you manage that? Does your bank give you a choice of whether
>or not to have the chips?
>
They are different to the ones originally put out that's all, hence
why Shenk if wrong about needing 'a protector' - that was way back
when.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:09:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:03:43 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT), "
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >One of my co-workers charged every single thing to his reward card and paid
> > >> >it off monthly. He was able to accumulate enough air miles to fly round-trip
> > >> >to Australia for free. Twice.
> > >>
> > >> I'd hate that. I also rarely go to Europe for that reason. 20 hours of
> > >> pretending you're a sardine...
> > >>
> > >When he first shared how he was able to make the trip twice my first thought
> > >was could I stand being in a plane for 20 straight hours? I'd probably be
> > >twitching and drooling by the time it landed.
> >
> > My Oz cousins would like me to visit but I have told them it will
> > never happen, for just that reason.
> >
> Have you checked the flights to see if any of them are overnight stops at a
> hotel like Bruce described?

Those very longhaul flights are not non-stop ;-) the planes have to
land to refuel or change crews and let part-way passengers on/off, so
they all have the option of stop-overs. If we're having a longhaul
stopover we prefer it to be for a couple of days, time to relax and look
around. Just ask your booking agent to arrange that, and make sure of a
seat with legroom in a quieter position. Plus, pick an airline with good
comfort , food and service.

Janet UK

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 07:56:38 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/5/2019 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> I don't have a smartphone but I am able to scan actual checks into my
>>> bank account or have them direct deposited. If he wants cash, ATM's are
>>> available outside of normal banking hours. Cash back at checkout
>>> sometimes costs extra. Depends on the store.
>>
>> Pay attention, Jill. I have most things direct deposited. I don't
>> go to a bank for cash, I get plenty of that by getting cash back
>> from various stores. None charge me for that.
>>
>> My once a year bank trip just for $100 cash in ones. Once the
>> hurricane season is done, they become petty cash that I use all
>> the time. No need to save them in a box and never use them. Are
>> you (and Sheldon) that stupid?
>>
>Set the hurricane issue aside for a moment. Upthread you mentioned
>"lazy bankers", from which I inferred a complaint that banks aren't open
>at the crack of dawn which is apparently when you do your grocery
>shopping. That why I said that's what ATM's are for.
>
>Jill

If cash for early morning shopping is an issue it's Gary who's too
stupid to keep a supply of cash in his purse... can't be that
difficult to figure out a budget and know in advance how much cash one
needs for groceries each month, double it and keep two months worth in
his soiled panties drawer.
Even as a young child I kept cash on hand, at about three years old I
had a locked pirate's chest filled with cash. I've never yet had to
make a run on the bank for cash, and I have no debit card and no ATM
card... I see absolutely no logic to ATMs, they are for those pinheads
with NO logic. Those fool's toys just create a lot of record keeping.

On 2019-08-08 5:46 p.m., Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:09:16 PM UTC-5,
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>> " > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:03:43 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> " >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of my co-workers charged every single thing to his
>>>>>> reward card and paid it off monthly. He was able to
>>>>>> accumulate enough air miles to fly round-trip to Australia
>>>>>> for free. Twice.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd hate that. I also rarely go to Europe for that reason. 20
>>>>> hours of pretending you're a sardine...
>>>>>
>>>> When he first shared how he was able to make the trip twice my
>>>> first thought was could I stand being in a plane for 20
>>>> straight hours? I'd probably be twitching and drooling by the
>>>> time it landed.
>>>
>>> My Oz cousins would like me to visit but I have told them it
>>> will never happen, for just that reason.
>>>
>> Have you checked the flights to see if any of them are overnight
>> stops at a hotel like Bruce described?
>
> Those very longhaul flights are not non-stop ;-) the planes have to
> land to refuel or change crews and let part-way passengers on/off,
> so they all have the option of stop-overs. If we're having a
> longhaul stopover we prefer it to be for a couple of days, time to
> relax and look around. Just ask your booking agent to arrange that,
> and make sure of a seat with legroom in a quieter position. Plus,
> pick an airline with good comfort , food and service.
>

I had talked about my friends who flew from Toronto to Aukland NZ.
They flew from Toronto to Vancouver and spent a night there, and then
flew to Sydney Australia, spent a night there and then on to Aukland and
then connect to Tauranga. On the return the stayed over in Sydney left
the next morning to Vacouver and on to Toronto, about 21 hours in the air.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:46:44 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 6:09:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 15:44:20 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Tuesday, August 6, 2019 at 4:03:43 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:13:46 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >One of my co-workers charged every single thing to his reward card and paid
>> > >> >it off monthly. He was able to accumulate enough air miles to fly round-trip
>> > >> >to Australia for free. Twice.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'd hate that. I also rarely go to Europe for that reason. 20 hours of
>> > >> pretending you're a sardine...
>> > >>
>> > >When he first shared how he was able to make the trip twice my first thought
>> > >was could I stand being in a plane for 20 straight hours? I'd probably be
>> > >twitching and drooling by the time it landed.
>> >
>> > My Oz cousins would like me to visit but I have told them it will
>> > never happen, for just that reason.
>> >
>> Have you checked the flights to see if any of them are overnight stops at a
>> hotel like Bruce described?
>
> Those very longhaul flights are not non-stop ;-) the planes have to
>land to refuel or change crews and let part-way passengers on/off, so
>they all have the option of stop-overs. If we're having a longhaul
>stopover we prefer it to be for a couple of days, time to relax and look
>around. Just ask your booking agent to arrange that, and make sure of a
>seat with legroom in a quieter position. Plus, pick an airline with good
>comfort , food and service.

You can organise and pay for anything you like, of course. The nice
thing about the JAL deal was that the overnight stay was included in
the ticket price. Very easy to organise and much more comfortable than
a 6 hour wait at Singapore airport, for instance.

On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 12:00:51 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 07:56:38 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 8/5/2019 9:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>> I don't have a smartphone but I am able to scan actual checks into my
> >>> bank account or have them direct deposited. If he wants cash, ATM's are
> >>> available outside of normal banking hours. Cash back at checkout
> >>> sometimes costs extra. Depends on the store.
> >>
> >> Pay attention, Jill. I have most things direct deposited. I don't
> >> go to a bank for cash, I get plenty of that by getting cash back
> >> from various stores. None charge me for that.
> >>
> >> My once a year bank trip just for $100 cash in ones. Once the
> >> hurricane season is done, they become petty cash that I use all
> >> the time. No need to save them in a box and never use them. Are
> >> you (and Sheldon) that stupid?
> >>
> >Set the hurricane issue aside for a moment. Upthread you mentioned
> >"lazy bankers", from which I inferred a complaint that banks aren't open
> >at the crack of dawn which is apparently when you do your grocery
> >shopping. That why I said that's what ATM's are for.
> >
> >Jill
>
> If cash for early morning shopping is an issue it's Gary who's too
> stupid to keep a supply of cash in his purse... can't be that
> difficult to figure out a budget and know in advance how much cash one
> needs for groceries each month, double it and keep two months worth in
> his soiled panties drawer.
> Even as a young child I kept cash on hand, at about three years old I
> had a locked pirate's chest filled with cash. I've never yet had to
> make a run on the bank for cash, and I have no debit card and no ATM
> card... I see absolutely no logic to ATMs, they are for those pinheads
> with NO logic. Those fool's toys just create a lot of record keeping.

Yoose must be a pinhead with NO logic. Cash and checks are just so yesterday. My guess is that cards will soon fall out of fashion too and will be replaced with cell phones and mobile devices. For pinheads that don't have a cell phone, not to worry. You will be able to use wrist worn tracking devices that you'll wear so you don't go losing yourself.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 3:40:38 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The crooks had
>>>>>>> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>>>>>> of the major networks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>>>>>> gas pumps. Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>>>>>> padlock on the door on the pump. It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>>>>>> out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nb
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>>>>
>>>> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all. The
>>>> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>>>> They just walk by. Get RFID protectors.
>>>
>>> Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> How'd you manage that? Does your bank give you a choice of whether
>> or not to have the chips?
>
> It has a chip, but not an RFID chip. RFID is a very specific kind of
> chip (for that matter, so is the EMV chip on credit and debit cards).
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

How can you tell which it has? Mine has some kind of chip, and also
has the magnetic strip like all old ones had.

wrote:
> Even as a young child I kept cash on hand, at about three year old I had a locked pirate's chest filled with cash.

Wow! did yoose have any gold dubloons? was yoose a real pirate
Popeye? Wut was the name of yoose ship?

Tell us more of yoose pirate stories!

On 8/8/2019 7:56 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 3:40:38 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, August 7, 2019 at 10:11:27 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2019 22:49:47 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2019-08-06, graham > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The crooks had
>>>>>>>> swapped out the pads in a number of stores.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They hadda a "heads-up" mini-documentary on that very thing on one
>>>>>>> of the major networks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They sed debit/credit cards could even stolen from "swipe-a-card"
>>>>>>> gas pumps.Â* Never buy gas with credit/debit card if there is not a
>>>>>>> padlock on the door on the pump.Â* It takes all of 10 secs to swap
>>>>>>> out an illegal "card reader" on most gas pumps.Â*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You'd have to be pretty dumb not to spot it nb!
>>>>>
>>>>> No they are very sophisticated now and not obvious at all.Â* The
>>>>> scammers even have hand held sorts where it's not at the machine now.
>>>>> They just walk by.Â* Get RFID protectors.
>>>>
>>>> Neither my debit card nor my credit card has an RFID chip.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> How'd you manage that? Does your bank give you a choice of whether
>>> or not to have the chips?
>>
>> It has a chip, but not an RFID chip.Â* RFID is a very specific kind of
>> chip (for that matter, so is the EMV chip on credit and debit cards).
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> How can you tell which it has? Mine has some kind of chip, and also has
> the magnetic strip like all old ones had.
>
>
They stopped using RFID some years back, maybe 5 or more. The card has
a radio wave symbol on it as all you had to do was wave or tap it on a
reader.

On 8/8/2019 6:00 PM, wrote:

> I've never yet had to
> make a run on the bank for cash, and I have no debit card and no ATM
> card... I see absolutely no logic to ATMs, they are for those pinheads
> with NO logic. Those fool's toys just create a lot of record keeping.
>

I use the ATM once a month. One transaction to mark down. It was also
an easy way to get cash in Europe and with a good exchange rate.

Mow there are some people that stupidly take out $20 a time for some
reason. That, I agree, is dumb.