If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens do...and the retirement funds we
do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.

N.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 3:22:12 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 16:01:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 2/27/2019 10:28 AM, GM wrote:
> >> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >> A fuller and more mature notion of citizenship would be one that holds, as ours once did, that among the first duties of the citizen is to provide for himself and look after his family so as not to burden his neighbors unnecessarily. The rhetoric of benefits as rights cultivates just the opposite attitude, one of learned helplessness, not in response to extraordinary challenges but in the face of the ordinary business of life. That attitude of helplessness is of great benefit to a certain stripe of politician. It is not good for people or countries.
> >>
> >> And it isnt really characteristic of the Scandinavian societies that Senator Sanders thinks he admires..."
> >>
> >
> >I especially like that simple explanation. Take responsibility for
> >yourself and family.
>
> People in Scandinavian countries are much better off than people in
> the US. They must be doing something right.

EXACTLY!! They are NOT SELFISH ASSHOLES!! Like MOST White Privileged United Statesians!!

John Kuthe...

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:18:55 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-02-27 4:01 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/27/2019 10:28 AM, GM wrote:
> >> Ed PawlowskiÂ* wrote:
> >
> >> A fuller and more mature notion of citizenship would be one that
> >> holds, as ours once did, that among the first duties of the citizen is
> >> to provide for himself and look after his family so as not to burden
> >> his neighbors unnecessarily. The rhetoric of benefits as rights
> >> cultivates just the opposite attitude, one of learned helplessness,
> >> not in response to extraordinary challenges but in the face of the
> >> ordinary business of life. That attitude of helplessness is of great
> >> benefit to a certain stripe of politician. It is not good for people
> >> or countries.
> >>
> >> And it isnt really characteristic of the Scandinavian societies that
> >> Senator Sanders thinks he admires..."
> >>
> >
> > I especially like that simple explanation.Â* Take responsibility for
> > yourself and family.
> >
> Unfortunately,, we have too many people who are unable to support
> themselves and who go ahead and procreate without the means to support
> those children. They end up on welfare. In too many cases, the cycle
> continues for multiple generations. Apparently, there is some sort of
> bottomless chest of money that we can use to support a growing number of
> people who cannot or will not support themselves.
>
> I have to wonder what would happen if all the hard working people who
> create products, provide services and create jobs all left. There
> would be no one willing and able to fill their positions and no one to
> pay the taxes to support the non workers, and I have to ask, if they are
> unwilling to look after themselves and their families, why should we.

Who is John Galt?

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens do...and the retirement funds we
> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>
> N.

Not necessarily. Most Congress members are wealthy. They could
have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.

I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds". I'm in a broad
portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
anyone.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2019-02-27 4:28 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:18:55 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2019-02-27 4:01 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> I have to wonder what would happen if all the hard working people who
>> create products, provide services and create jobs all left. There
>> would be no one willing and able to fill their positions and no one to
>> pay the taxes to support the non workers, and I have to ask, if they are
>> unwilling to look after themselves and their families, why should we.
>
> Who is John Galt?
>

We are.

;-)

On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens do...and the retirement funds we
>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>>
>> N.
>
> Not necessarily. Most Congress members are wealthy. They could
> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
>
> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds". I'm in a broad
> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
> anyone.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself. Getting an
education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
retire, etc.

Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
They should have taken a different path, perhaps.

On 2019-02-27 2:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
>>> do...and the retirement funds we
>>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>> Not necessarily.Â* Most Congress members are wealthy.Â* They could
>> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds".Â* I'm in a broad
>> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
>> anyone.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself.Â* Getting an
> education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
> retire, etc.
>
> Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
> They should have taken a different path, perhaps.

But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
Can you really expect them to behave rationally?

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 15:13:29 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2019-02-27 2:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
>>>> do...and the retirement funds we
>>>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> N.
>>>
>>> Not necessarily.* Most Congress members are wealthy.* They could
>>> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
>>>
>>> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds".* I'm in a broad
>>> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
>>> anyone.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself.* Getting an
>> education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
>> retire, etc.
>>
>> Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
>> They should have taken a different path, perhaps.
>
>But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
>Can you really expect them to behave rationally?

And the average is already very low. Basically, every country largely
consists of retards. That's the problem with democracy.

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:19:17 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 9:07:49 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:23:07 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:10:01 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:31 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 7:54:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
>>>>>>> tax is lower! Yoohoo!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And we can run boarding houses if we so choose!!!!
>>>>> Without burning FOSSIL FUEL!!!
>>>>>
>>>> Gee, ain't we smart?!?
>>> Yes, we only use electricity that's been generated by burning FOSSIL
>>> FUEL!!!
>> Now! But Ameren Missouri has interest in renewables, as any future minded electric provider should!
> Yes, I agree that clean electricity is the future.

It's hardly new. The Hoover Dam was built in the 30's. Nuclear plants
started going online in the 50's.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:57:46 -0500, Alex > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:19:17 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 9:07:49 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:23:07 -0800 (PST), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:10:01 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:31 -0800 (PST), "
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 7:54:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
>>>>>>>> tax is lower! Yoohoo!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we can run boarding houses if we so choose!!!!
>>>>>> Without burning FOSSIL FUEL!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Gee, ain't we smart?!?
>>>> Yes, we only use electricity that's been generated by burning FOSSIL
>>>> FUEL!!!
>>> Now! But Ameren Missouri has interest in renewables, as any future minded electric provider should!
>> Yes, I agree that clean electricity is the future.
>
>It's hardly new. The Hoover Dam was built in the 30's. Nuclear plants
>started going online in the 50's.

Only 17% of US electricity is renewable. Renewable is the future, not
the present.

<https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3>

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 16:01:36 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 2/27/2019 10:28 AM, GM wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> A fuller and more mature notion of citizenship would be one that holds, as ours once did, that among the first duties of the citizen is to provide for himself and look after his family so as not to burden his neighbors unnecessarily. The rhetoric of benefits as rights cultivates just the opposite attitude, one of learned helplessness, not in response to extraordinary challenges but in the face of the ordinary business of life. That attitude of helplessness is of great benefit to a certain stripe of politician. It is not good for people or countries.
>>>
>>> And it isnt really characteristic of the Scandinavian societies that Senator Sanders thinks he admires..."
>>>
>> I especially like that simple explanation. Take responsibility for
>> yourself and family.
> People in Scandinavian countries are much better off than people in
> the US. They must be doing something right.

Sure. They don't pay 50 billion in foreign aid.

https://explorer.usaid.gov/aid-dashboard.html#2018

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 6:10:59 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:57:46 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:19:17 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 9:07:49 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:23:07 -0800 (PST), "
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:10:01 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:31 -0800 (PST), "
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 7:54:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
> >>>>>>>> tax is lower! Yoohoo!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And we can run boarding houses if we so choose!!!!
> >>>>>> Without burning FOSSIL FUEL!!!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Gee, ain't we smart?!?
> >>>> Yes, we only use electricity that's been generated by burning FOSSIL
> >>>> FUEL!!!
> >>> Now! But Ameren Missouri has interest in renewables, as any future minded electric provider should!
> >> Yes, I agree that clean electricity is the future.
> >
> >It's hardly new. The Hoover Dam was built in the 30's. Nuclear plants
> >started going online in the 50's.
>
> Only 17% of US electricity is renewable. Renewable is the future, not
> the present.
>
> <https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3>

I TOO am The Future, whether you like it OR NOT!!

As Greta Thunburg says:

https://www.ted.com/talks/greta_thun...w _on_climate

John Kuthe...

wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 7:54:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
> > tax is lower! Yoohoo!
> >
> And we can run boarding houses if we so choose!!!!

He wouldn't like being taxed to 56% of the rent he takes in though...

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 16:15:37 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 6:10:59 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:57:46 -0500, Alex > wrote:
>>
>> >Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:19:17 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 9:07:49 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:23:07 -0800 (PST), "
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:10:01 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:31 -0800 (PST), "
>> >>>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 7:54:37 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
>> >>>>>>>> tax is lower! Yoohoo!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> And we can run boarding houses if we so choose!!!!
>> >>>>>> Without burning FOSSIL FUEL!!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Gee, ain't we smart?!?
>> >>>> Yes, we only use electricity that's been generated by burning FOSSIL
>> >>>> FUEL!!!
>> >>> Now! But Ameren Missouri has interest in renewables, as any future minded electric provider should!
>> >> Yes, I agree that clean electricity is the future.
>> >
>> >It's hardly new. The Hoover Dam was built in the 30's. Nuclear plants
>> >started going online in the 50's.
>>
>> Only 17% of US electricity is renewable. Renewable is the future, not
>> the present.
>>
>> <https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3>
>
>I TOO am The Future, whether you like it OR NOT!!

I have no opinion about it. If you want to be the future, have at it
and enjoy!

Cindy, I mean pensions based on some calculation of years in Congress with salary. Plus,
mutual funds, etc., are available only if one makes enough income to invest. Not everyone
does.

N.

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 7:16:11 PM UTC-6, Nancy2 wrote:
> Cindy, I mean pensions based on some calculation of years in Congress with salary. Plus,
> mutual funds, etc., are available only if one makes enough income to invest. Not everyone
> does.
>
> N.

My Father certainly did! For 99-65 years!!

And he lived MODESTLY!! And left his heirs a buttload! :-) Thank you Dad! :-)

John Kuthe...

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
>>> do...and the retirement funds we
>>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>>>
>>> N.
>>
>> Not necessarily. Most Congress members are wealthy. They could
>> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds". I'm in a broad
>> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
>> anyone.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself. Getting an
> education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
> retire, etc.
>
> Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills. They
> should have taken a different path, perhaps.

Part of the problem is that jobs keep changing. One might go to college for
one thing only to graduate and find that there are no jobs in that field any
more. Angela changed horses mid-stream, went to a different college, was
working part time but just accepted a full time job at her dental office.
She would like to continue her education to get to the next level but her
school doesn't offer night classes.

She took a risk and went into a field that she didn't think she'd like, but
now she loves it! And she will always be able to find employment.

On 2/27/2019 11:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>
> Part of the problem is that jobs keep changing. One might go to college
> for one thing only to graduate and find that there are no jobs in that
> field any more. Angela changed horses mid-stream, went to a different
> college, was working part time but just accepted a full time job at her
> dental office. She would like to continue her education to get to the
> next level but her school doesn't offer night classes.
>
> She took a risk and went into a field that she didn't think she'd like,
> but now she loves it! And she will always be able to find employment.

Anything medical is a good bet if you like it. The sad cases are the
ones that expect to find a good job after getting a degree in 4th
century Greek sculpture or the performing arts when they have little
talent. Spending huge money for a job that will pay low wages at best.

In article >, Bruce
> wrote:

> Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
> tax is lower! Yoohoo!

By a quick Google search, the population of Denmark is 5.8 million, the
population of the Netherlands is 7 million, the population of Australia
is 24.6 million and the population of the U.S. is 326 million. It's a
given that a certain amount of a population will be takers, and we have
a boatload more of them grieving for taxpayer charity. I'm sorry, I
mean entitlements.
Are you a taker or a contributor, Bruce? Been on the dole before? Are
you on the dole now? You seem to always be available on Usenet which
indicates that you're mostly idle. Inquiring minds want to know.
I just love ya, Boobaloo, but you really should worry more about your
own country instead of zeroing in on mine.

[ObFood] Absolutely nothing of interest. Just belly filler.

leo

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 21:26:53 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >, Bruce
> wrote:
>
>> Compared to Denmark, the US is a 3rd world country. But yay, you're
>> tax is lower! Yoohoo!
>
>By a quick Google search, the population of Denmark is 5.8 million, the
>population of the Netherlands is 7 million

You probably meant 17.

>, the population of Australia
>is 24.6 million and the population of the U.S. is 326 million. It's a
>given that a certain amount of a population will be takers, and we have
>a boatload more of them grieving for taxpayer charity. I'm sorry, I
>mean entitlements.

But you also have a boatload more taxpayers.

>Are you a taker or a contributor, Bruce? Been on the dole before? Are
>you on the dole now?

I'm probably one of the hardest workers in this newsgroup. Helped by
the fact that many of you are retired, of course.

>You seem to always be available on Usenet which
>indicates that you're mostly idle. Inquiring minds want to know.

I work on the same computer that I visit RFC on. So if I want a mini
break, I Alt-Tab here or to another distraction.

>I just love ya, Boobaloo, but you really should worry more about your
>own country instead of zeroing in on mine.

You have a high profile country, especially with the current
president, so you're going to get a lot of foreign attention. I would
have thought you'd all like that

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 23:53:38 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/27/2019 11:19 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> Part of the problem is that jobs keep changing. One might go to college
>> for one thing only to graduate and find that there are no jobs in that
>> field any more. Angela changed horses mid-stream, went to a different
>> college, was working part time but just accepted a full time job at her
>> dental office. She would like to continue her education to get to the
>> next level but her school doesn't offer night classes.
>>
>> She took a risk and went into a field that she didn't think she'd like,
>> but now she loves it! And she will always be able to find employment.
>
>Anything medical is a good bet if you like it. The sad cases are the
>ones that expect to find a good job after getting a degree in 4th
>century Greek sculpture or the performing arts when they have little
>talent. Spending huge money for a job that will pay low wages at best.

Hey, I studied French literature and look at me now: a pillar of
society!

In article >,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> We have to nibble around the edges to get health care for everybody.

Perhaps. When free Medicare for all comes to fruition, I want every
dime I ever paid into it back. Then we will all have a fresh start in
the new, rosy utopia. Is there anything wrong with that idea?

leo

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> That was the old Penny. The newer Penny is seen as a semi-depraved mall/sewer
> rat.

Meh. I watched it in college, but all I remember is Billy the Mummy,
the robot saying "Danger Will Robinson" and the creepy doctor. Without
googling, that's it. Oh, I don't think it was in color, but I could be
wrong. I still won't google it.
Now, the new Penny seems interesting! I don't remember the old Penny.

leo

In article >, Bruce
> wrote:

<SNIP>

> You have a high profile country, especially with the current
> president, so you're going to get a lot of foreign attention. I would
> have thought you'd all like that

Other than our tax base is diminishing and our needy are increasing by
laws that help/make them that way, sometimes you surprise me. Not bad
for a expatriate Dutchman. Touché.

leo

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 5:13:30 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> On 2019-02-27 2:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> >>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
> >>> do...and the retirement funds we
> >>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
> >>>
> >>> N.
> >>
> >> Not necessarily.Â* Most Congress members are wealthy.Â* They could
> >> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
> >>
> >> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds".Â* I'm in a broad
> >> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
> >> anyone.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> > That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself.Â* Getting an
> > education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
> > retire, etc.
> >
> > Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
> > They should have taken a different path, perhaps.
>
> But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
> Can you really expect them to behave rationally?

Are half the college-educated of below average intelligence?

Anybody smart enough to pass the SAT should be smart enough to know
that "Women's Studies" isn't a viable career option.

That said, I feel that the U.S. does a terrible job of providing a
suitable education for the non-college-bound.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:39:55 AM UTC-5, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>
> > We have to nibble around the edges to get health care for everybody.
>
> Perhaps. When free Medicare for all comes to fruition, I want every
> dime I ever paid into it back. Then we will all have a fresh start in
> the new, rosy utopia. Is there anything wrong with that idea?
>
> leo

Why would you expect every dime back? (Not to mention that most people
under the current Medicare get much more back than they ever paid in.)

Who paid for the first generation of Social Security recipients? The
people who were working at the time. It's been that way ever since.
Same with Medicare.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:59:42 AM UTC-5, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > That was the old Penny. The newer Penny is seen as a semi-depraved mall/sewer
> > rat.
>
> Meh. I watched it in college, but all I remember is Billy the Mummy,
> the robot saying "Danger Will Robinson" and the creepy doctor. Without
> googling, that's it. Oh, I don't think it was in color, but I could be
> wrong. I still won't google it.
> Now, the new Penny seems interesting! I don't remember the old Penny.
>
> leo

Go straight to IMDB or Wikipedia, then.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
>
> I'm probably one of the hardest workers in this newsgroup. Helped by
> the fact that many of you are retired, of course.

oh dear lord. That claim is even more arrogant and much worse
than the typical, "I've worked hard all my life."

You just lost face here big time, at least imo. >:-o

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 10:19:22 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> >>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
> >>> do...and the retirement funds we
> >>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
> >>>
> >>> N.
> >>
> >> Not necessarily. Most Congress members are wealthy. They could
> >> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
> >>
> >> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds". I'm in a broad
> >> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
> >> anyone.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> > That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself. Getting an
> > education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
> > retire, etc.
> >
> > Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills. They
> > should have taken a different path, perhaps.
>
> Part of the problem is that jobs keep changing. One might go to college for
> one thing only to graduate and find that there are no jobs in that field any
> more. Angela changed horses mid-stream, went to a different college, was
> working part time but just accepted a full time job at her dental office.
> She would like to continue her education to get to the next level but her
> school doesn't offer night classes.
>
> She took a risk and went into a field that she didn't think she'd like, but
> now she loves it! And she will always be able to find employment.

Tell me ABOUT IT!! I've had THREE careers in my life so far. Two required college, the first did not. I am a baker by trade 1980s, went into Computer Engineering 1990s (college) then Nursing 2010 (more college!) Yes, I went into nursing so I would always be able to have a job, as I almost do right now!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 10:19:22 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
> > >>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
> > >>> do...and the retirement funds we
> > >>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
> > >>>
> > >>> N.
> > >>
> > >> Not necessarily. Most Congress members are wealthy. They could
> > >> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds". I'm in a broad
> > >> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
> > >> anyone.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>
> > > That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself. Getting an
> > > education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
> > > retire, etc.
> > >
> > > Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills. They
> > > should have taken a different path, perhaps.
> >
> > Part of the problem is that jobs keep changing. One might go to college for
> > one thing only to graduate and find that there are no jobs in that field any
> > more. Angela changed horses mid-stream, went to a different college, was
> > working part time but just accepted a full time job at her dental office.
> > She would like to continue her education to get to the next level but her
> > school doesn't offer night classes.
> >
> > She took a risk and went into a field that she didn't think she'd like, but
> > now she loves it! And she will always be able to find employment.
>
> Tell me ABOUT IT!! I've had THREE careers in my life so far. Two required college, the first did not. I am a baker by trade 1980s, went into Computer Engineering 1990s (college) then Nursing 2010 (more college!) Yes, I went into nursing so I would always be able to have a job, as I almost do right now!
>


Any Career Coach or Employment Case Manager would classify you as a --->>> LOUSY <<<--- client...all talk, no work, and at a late age *still* dithering about what you want to do "when you grow up"...

--
Best
Greg

On 2019-02-28 4:31 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 5:13:30 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>> On 2019-02-27 2:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
>>>>> do...and the retirement funds we
>>>>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> N.
>>>>
>>>> Not necessarily.Â* Most Congress members are wealthy.Â* They could
>>>> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds".Â* I'm in a broad
>>>> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
>>>> anyone.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself.Â* Getting an
>>> education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
>>> retire, etc.
>>>
>>> Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
>>> They should have taken a different path, perhaps.
>>
>> But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
>> Can you really expect them to behave rationally?
>
> Are half the college-educated of below average intelligence?
>
> Anybody smart enough to pass the SAT should be smart enough to know
> that "Women's Studies" isn't a viable career option.
>
> That said, I feel that the U.S. does a terrible job of providing a
> suitable education for the non-college-bound.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
My point was directed to those who think that everyone should take care
and responsibility for themselves. Not everyone can get a well-paying,
salaried job with comprehensive benefits and the wherewithal to invest
in the future. In fact, a very large proportion of the population can't!

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 8:04:44 AM UTC-6, GM wrote:
....
>
> Any Career Coach or Employment Case Manager would classify you as a --->>> LOUSY <<<--- client...all talk, no work, and at a late age *still* dithering about what you want to do "when you grow up"...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

I am NEVER gonna "grow up"! You "Grown Ups" do NOT know what the **** you are doing!! Dragging all that BLACK POISON OIL up and BURNING IT ALL BACK UP INTO THE ATMOSPHERE!!

YOU just BOUGHT our 6th Extinction!!

**** THAT!! THAT is NOT THE ADULT/RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO!!

Responsible adults do RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES!! And Petroleum is NOT RENEWABLE!!

https://www.ted.com/talks/greta_thun...w _on_climate

You BROKE the Planet! :-(

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Yes, I went into nursing so I would always be able to
> have a job, as I almost do right now!

"as I almost do right now!" (?)
Wake up, pal. You have no job.
Anyone anywhere can "almost have a job" with or without any
degrees.

On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 9:17:50 AM UTC-6, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I went into nursing so I would always be able to
> > have a job, as I almost do right now!
>
> "as I almost do right now!" (?)
> Wake up, pal. You have no job.
> Anyone anywhere can "almost have a job" with or without any
> degrees.

I just did my Landlordy Job!!! Sprinkled Beet Juice beads all over the rear deck+steps and out the front door a bit too! Of MY HOUSE!! Of which I am the ONLY White Human who lives here!! Lots of Indians!! :-)

That's OK, I HATE WHITE PEOPLE!!!

John Kuthe, I hate White People!

On 2/28/2019 9:52 AM, graham wrote:

>>> But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
>>> Can you really expect them to behave rationally?
>>
>> Are half the college-educated of below average intelligence?
>>
>> Anybody smart enough to pass the SAT should be smart enough to know
>> that "Women's Studies" isn't a viable career option.
>>
>> That said, I feel that the U.S. does a terrible job of providing a
>> suitable education for the non-college-bound.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> My point was directed to those who think that everyone should take care
> and responsibility for themselves. NotÂ* everyone can get a well-paying,
> salaried job with comprehensive benefits and the wherewithal to invest
> in the future. In fact, a very large proportion of the population can't!

Many years ago, you needed no special education, just a little ability
to do a good job at the factory. In one instance, I started in the
office at one of those factories right out of high school. It was
minimum wage, but it was also a path to other jobs in other departments.
I left there as a supervisor over 45 workers.

Typical of factories, the workers made enough money to buy a modest
house, drive a modest car, eat well, keep their families fed, clothed
and schooled.

In 1970 that company moved south to save money. The number of jobs like
that began to dwindle. The world has changed, be it good or bad, adapt.

On 2019-02-28 6:31 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 5:13:30 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:

>>> Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
>>> They should have taken a different path, perhaps.
>>
>> But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
>> Can you really expect them to behave rationally?
>
> Are half the college-educated of below average intelligence?
>
> Anybody smart enough to pass the SAT should be smart enough to know
> that "Women's Studies" isn't a viable career option.
>
> That said, I feel that the U.S. does a terrible job of providing a
> suitable education for the non-college-bound.
>


Women's Studies and Native Studies seem to be quite popular these days.
There are lots of government jobs that seem to attract their graduates.
I wonder if it has a lot to do with the politics and empire building
that are endemic to universities these days. Things like that used to
be part of the History or Sociology departments. Each department has a
chair, and the chair gets all sorts of bonuses, a bigger office, more
perks, higher salary, more prestige. I studied physiological psychology
and comparative animal behaviour, and my degree is in Psychology. Who
knows what it would be if graduated in 2019 instead of 1974.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 07:51:18 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> I'm probably one of the hardest workers in this newsgroup. Helped by
>> the fact that many of you are retired, of course.
>
>oh dear lord. That claim is even more arrogant and much worse
>than the typical, "I've worked hard all my life."
>
>You just lost face here big time, at least imo. >:-o

That's alright. I have many faces. I can afford to lose one. But it's
true. I work hard. Nothing to brag about, on the contrary maybe, just
a fact.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 07:52:10 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 2019-02-28 4:31 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 5:13:30 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>>> On 2019-02-27 2:38 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/27/2019 4:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-5, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>>> If our Congress members had to use the same health care we citizens
>>>>>> do...and the retirement funds we
>>>>>> do...things would change fast and for the better for everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> N.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not necessarily.* Most Congress members are wealthy.* They could
>>>>> have my crappy HMO and still get good health care.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what you mean by "retirement funds".* I'm in a broad
>>>>> portfolio of mutual funds and whatnot that are available to
>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>> That goes back to taking responsibility for yourself.* Getting an
>>>> education, good paying job because you have some skill investing to
>>>> retire, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Too many kids are graduating college with lots of debt and no skills.
>>>> They should have taken a different path, perhaps.
>>>
>>> But remember, *half* of the population is of below average intelligence!
>>> Can you really expect them to behave rationally?
>>
>> Are half the college-educated of below average intelligence?
>>
>> Anybody smart enough to pass the SAT should be smart enough to know
>> that "Women's Studies" isn't a viable career option.
>>
>> That said, I feel that the U.S. does a terrible job of providing a
>> suitable education for the non-college-bound.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>My point was directed to those who think that everyone should take care
>and responsibility for themselves. Not everyone can get a well-paying,
>salaried job with comprehensive benefits and the wherewithal to invest
>in the future. In fact, a very large proportion of the population can't!

They can go live in a ghetto and resort to crime and drugs, because
they have nothing to lose anyway. And then we spend a lot of money on
a police force to control them and fight the drugs. The Republican
Solution.

On 2019-02-28 6:39 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:39:55 AM UTC-5, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> In article >,
>
>> Perhaps. When free Medicare for all comes to fruition, I want every
>> dime I ever paid into it back. Then we will all have a fresh start in
>> the new, rosy utopia. Is there anything wrong with that idea?
>>
>> leo
>
> Why would you expect every dime back? (Not to mention that most people
> under the current Medicare get much more back than they ever paid in.)
>
> Who paid for the first generation of Social Security recipients? The
> people who were working at the time. It's been that way ever since.
> Same with Medicare.
>


It's like a big Ponzi scheme. It starts up with one generation. They
pay into a pension fund as they work and they have a bunch of kids. The
kids start working and contributing. The first generation retires and
starts collecting and their kids' generation is paying for it. Then a
third generation comes along and there are even more paying. But then we
started having smaller families. Manufacturing starts going overseas
where the jobs pay less and they don't have pensions. Some of the jobs
are being done by robots, and they are contributing or paying any taxes.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 03:39:42 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 12:39:55 AM UTC-5, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>>
>> > We have to nibble around the edges to get health care for everybody.
>>
>> Perhaps. When free Medicare for all comes to fruition, I want every
>> dime I ever paid into it back. Then we will all have a fresh start in
>> the new, rosy utopia. Is there anything wrong with that idea?
>>
>> leo
>
>Why would you expect every dime back? (Not to mention that most people
>under the current Medicare get much more back than they ever paid in.)
>
>Who paid for the first generation of Social Security recipients? The
>people who were working at the time. It's been that way ever since.
>Same with Medicare.

Everybody's selfish, but if too many people are too selfish, you get a
disfunctional country.