I bought chinese 5 spice powder only because I never used it but keep hearing about it.
What are some ideas to use it? I think I will pull a J and not like the suggestions.
I did try a dash on buff wings and spit it out.

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 4:54:33 PM UTC-6, Thomas wrote:
>
> I think I will pull a J and not like the suggestions.
>
*SNORT*

> wrote in message
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> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 4:54:33 PM UTC-6, Thomas wrote:
>>
>> I think I will pull a J and not like the suggestions.
>>
> *SNORT*

Pigs snort.

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 12:54:33 PM UTC-10, Thomas wrote:
> I bought chinese 5 spice powder only because I never used it but keep hearing about it.
> What are some ideas to use it? I think I will pull a J and not like the suggestions.
> I did try a dash on buff wings and spit it out.

There's not much point in having 5 spice unless you're going to cook Chinese food. I like Chinese style cooking but I don't use much of that stuff. I don't much care for it. It's such a flavor cliche!

OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>
> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
>
Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
see that on the table.

This brought back some unpleasant memories.

> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
>>
> Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> see that on the table.
>
> This brought back some unpleasant memories.

Pleasant memories for me from when I was a kid. Farm girl here.

Cheri

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 22:54:57 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
...
>> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
>>>
>> Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
>> some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
>> than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
>> fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
>> see that on the table.
>>
>> This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
>Pleasant memories for me from when I was a kid. Farm girl here.

Supermarket girl these days.

In article >, says...
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> >>
> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > see that on the table.
> >
> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Pleasant memories for me from when I was a kid. Farm girl here.
>
> Cheri

Not a farm girl but I love pork belly.

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
>> >>
>> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to
>> > cook
>> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had
>> > that
>> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there
>> > was
>> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
>> > see that on the table.
>> >
>> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>>
>> Pleasant memories for me from when I was a kid. Farm girl here.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Not a farm girl but I love pork belly.
>
> Janet UK


Yes, it's hard to find around here. Sometimes Costco has it, but that's
pretty much it.

Cheri

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 12:55:23 AM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> >>
> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > see that on the table.
> >
> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Pleasant memories for me from when I was a kid. Farm girl here.
>
> Cheri
>
I like crispy fat such as bacon but not like in this picture or what my
mother preferred. Watching her eat that stuff certainly instilled a
hatred of overly fatty meats in her children. She would have preferred
that ALL the lean be cut away and given to someone else while she chowed
down on the greasy fat.

On 12/8/2018 11:56 AM, wrote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 12:55:23 AM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
>>>>
>>> Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
>>> some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
>>> than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
>>> fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
>>> see that on the table.
>>>
>>> This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>>
>> Pleasant memories for me from when I was a kid. Farm girl here.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> I like crispy fat such as bacon but not like in this picture or what my
> mother preferred. Watching her eat that stuff certainly instilled a
> hatred of overly fatty meats in her children. She would have preferred
> that ALL the lean be cut away and given to someone else while she chowed
> down on the greasy fat.
>
Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean...

Jill

On 8 Dec 2018, wrote
(in >):

> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> see that on the table.
>
> This brought back some unpleasant memories.

Thats a shame because the flavour of the meat is in the fat, which is why
most lean meat is almost tasteless - unless the retailers have added chemical
flavourings.

Cooked properly (i.e. slowly), pork fat will render down to a gorgeously soft
product which just melts in the mouth.

- - -

I mix a small amount of 5-spice powder with about a teaspoon each of light
soy sauce, dark soy sauce, oyster sauce and cornflour, plus a few drops of
sesame oil, rice wine, and fish sauce.

I leave that to rest for a couple of hours and then add it right at the end
of cooking my chicken chow mein; which is simply chicken pieces, mushrooms,
bean sprouts, and medium egg noodles fried in a very hot wok with a little
ground nut oil.

The cornflour in the sauce mix will slightly thicken it on heating, which
helps to coat the noodles and bean sprouts rather than just having a watery
mix at the bottom of the wok.

For me, the taste is as close as I can get to a UK Chinese take-away chow
mein - which is the object of the exercise IMO as if I can make it myself I
am well happy.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:30:19 AM UTC-6, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote:
>
> On 8 Dec 2018, wrote
> (in >):
>
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > see that on the table.
> >
> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Thats a shame because the flavour of the meat is in the fat, which is why
> most lean meat is almost tasteless - unless the retailers have added chemical
> flavourings.
>
> Cooked properly (i.e. slowly), pork fat will render down to a gorgeously soft
> product which just melts in the mouth.
>
>
You can definitely see the fat did not render down to a gorgeously soft
product that melts in your mouth. This was overly fatty cooked as a
large chunk. The crispy crackling skin sounded great but the greasy
soft, chewy fat was stomach churning. Believe me, I've seen enough of
this type of food on the table as a child. Fat is supposed to flavor,
not be the main course with a tiny strip of lean.

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 8:52:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> >
> Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> see that on the table.
>
> This brought back some unpleasant memories.

Shoulder is common for char siu pork. If you want the flavor with even
less fat, you can find recipe on the web for using loin, but that's a
lot trickier to manage since it's so lean.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 1:49:21 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 8:52:47 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> > >
> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > see that on the table.
> >
> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Shoulder is common for char siu pork. If you want the flavor with even
> less fat, you can find recipe on the web for using loin, but that's a
> lot trickier to manage since it's so lean.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

On this rock, char sui is traditionally made with pork loin. We use the stuff mostly as a garnish for saimin and Chinese noodle dishes.

https://soranews24.com/2012/03/19/mc...laces-america/

On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> >
> Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> see that on the table.
>
> This brought back some unpleasant memories.

Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised to eschew fats. It certainly has had a bad reputation in this country. OTOH, pork belly is a favorite meat with certain old-school ethnic types and I believe that cut is going to be trending as the younger generation seek out the foods and techniques of old-school cooking.

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 10:05:42 AM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> > >
> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > see that on the table.
> >
> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised to eschew fats. It certainly has had a bad reputation in this country. OTOH, pork belly is a favorite meat with certain old-school ethnic types and I believe that cut is going to be trending as the younger generation seek out the foods and techniques of old-school cooking.

WHO are you callin' an "old school ethnic type"?

Bacon Fat saturated little fried up strips of Meat Candy! :-)

YUM!

John Kuthe, KutheChocolates.com...

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 6:10:37 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 10:05:42 AM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> > > >
> > > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > > see that on the table.
> > >
> > > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
> >
> > Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised to eschew fats. It certainly has had a bad reputation in this country. OTOH, pork belly is a favorite meat with certain old-school ethnic types and I believe that cut is going to be trending as the younger generation seek out the foods and techniques of old-school cooking.
>
> WHO are you callin' an "old school ethnic type"?
>
> Bacon Fat saturated little fried up strips of Meat Candy! :-)
>
> YUM!
>
> John Kuthe, KutheChocolates.com...

American bacon made with smoked pork belly is squarely American fare. Getting a little nutty for bacon doesn't make you ethnic - mostly it means you're probably American.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_weh9B3W4PQ

On 2018-12-08 11:05 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10,
>
>> This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised
> to eschew fats. It certainly has had a bad reputation in this
> country. OTOH, pork belly is a favorite meat with certain old-school
> ethnic types and I believe that cut is going to be trending as the
> younger generation seek out the foods and techniques of old-school
> cooking.

I tend to cut the fat off my meat and leave it for the dogs. I was once
shocked to walk into the kitchen and see my wife eating the fat that I
had left for the dog. If I don't like to eat it along with the meat it
came on, I sure as heck would not eat it on its own.

My neighbour is a bit of an odd bird. It doesn't help that coronary
heart runs in his family. We once served him roast beef. He not only
trimmed the fat off, but he cut off about a half inch of the meat it was
attached to.

On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 12:41:36 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-12-08 11:05 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10,
>>
>>> This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>>
>> Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised
>> to eschew fats. It certainly has had a bad reputation in this
>> country. OTOH, pork belly is a favorite meat with certain old-school
>> ethnic types and I believe that cut is going to be trending as the
>> younger generation seek out the foods and techniques of old-school
>> cooking.
>
>I tend to cut the fat off my meat and leave it for the dogs.

I feed fat trimmings to the crows

>I was once
>shocked to walk into the kitchen and see my wife eating the fat that I
>had left for the dog. If I don't like to eat it along with the meat it
>came on, I sure as heck would not eat it on its own.

Is your wife related to Big Niece?

On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 7:40:29 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-08 11:05 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10,
> >
> >> This brought back some unpleasant memories.
> >
> > Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised
> > to eschew fats. It certainly has had a bad reputation in this
> > country. OTOH, pork belly is a favorite meat with certain old-school
> > ethnic types and I believe that cut is going to be trending as the
> > younger generation seek out the foods and techniques of old-school
> > cooking.
>
> I tend to cut the fat off my meat and leave it for the dogs. I was once
> shocked to walk into the kitchen and see my wife eating the fat that I
> had left for the dog. If I don't like to eat it along with the meat it
> came on, I sure as heck would not eat it on its own.
>
> My neighbour is a bit of an odd bird. It doesn't help that coronary
> heart runs in his family. We once served him roast beef. He not only
> trimmed the fat off, but he cut off about a half inch of the meat it was
> attached to.

Mostly, your body will tell you what it needs to have although it seems we're losing the ability to hear what it's telling us. Biologically, a lot of white women find fats hard to digest. Pathologically, some people are prone to atherosclerosis and have to avoid all fats. We knew someone with this genetic abnormality. It was quite awful.

There are also cultural differences on how lumps of fats are viewed. I made my dad some old school Okinawan rafute. It's made from pork belly and it's important that the skin and the fat be perfectly melting-in-the-mouth. These days, if you want something like that, it has to be made by somebody that cares about getting things right.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> > On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 5:39:47 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
> > >
> > Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
> > some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
> > than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
> > fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
> > see that on the table.
> >
> > This brought back some unpleasant memories.
>
> Most kids don't care for fat in their meat. Most boomers were raised
to eschew fats.

Not here.

Ever since 1940, food in UK was so scarce and precious kids were raised
to eat everything on their plate whether or not they liked it. Food
rationing didn't end until 1954.

Janet UK.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 "itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>On Friday, December 7, 2018 dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> OTOH, you need 5 spice for roast pork.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6xswgiIyA
>>
>Oh yum, a big old piece of fat meat. No thanks! My mother used to cook
>some of the most gawd awful pieces of fat meat and she's rather had that
>than lean meat. I guess that comes from being a farm girl and there was
>fat meat on the table everyday. It would just turn us kids stomachs to
>see that on the table.
>
>This brought back some unpleasant memories.

Soon as I saw that roasted pork is pork belly I shut it down.
We're having roast pork for dinner but it's boneless pork loin,
a very lean cut and whatever little fat is on the outside. I season
it with Penzys Adobo. When they are on sale at under $2/lb I buy a
whole loin ~12lbs. cut it in thirds and have three nice roasts for the
freezer I always freeze all three and only defrost them halfway
before putting them in the oven, they cook through but turn out
moist... a Puerto Rican women taught me that trick... was a long time
ago when I was working at the Roe tape measure factory in Patchogue,
NY (city boasted many fine eateries). Most of the assembly line
workers were Latina and those senoritas sure could cook some good
food, lunch time was always a fiesta.
I worked there in the early '70s. They produced tape measures under
many labels. The huge rolls of steel arrived from Germany, it was a
special tool steel used for making razor blades. I have several of
their tape measures. Seems it's no longer:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pmlib/4888391125/
https://picclick.com/Justus-Roe-Sons...468999877.html
https://www.ustape.com/blog/tag/roe-sons/
https://patch.com/new-york/patchogue...way-dedication

"Thomas" > wrote in message
...
>I bought chinese 5 spice powder only because I never used it but keep
>hearing about it.
> What are some ideas to use it? I think I will pull a J and not like the
> suggestions.
> I did try a dash on buff wings and spit it out.

I've used it for stir fries but it wasn't my thing.

On Fri, 7 Dec 2018 "Julie Bove" wrote:
>"Thomas" wrote:
>
>>I bought chinese 5 spice powder only because I never used it but keep
>>hearing about it.
>> What are some ideas to use it? I think I will pull a J and not like the
>> suggestions.
>> I did try a dash on buff wings and spit it out.
>
>I've used it for stir fries but it wasn't my thing.

Good for a toilet deodorizer.