On 12/9/2018 9:54 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2018 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> On 12/8/2018 5:08 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW.... there are minimum wages for servers here. It is
>>>>>> lower for those serving alcohol, but it currently $12.20 /hr
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> A waitress may only make 1.25 an hour and be expected to 'make
>>>>> of the rest in tips' which she then has to split with the cook
>>>>> and bus boy (cook and busboy make over minimum wage already).
>>>>>
>>>> Carol, FYI in Virginia the hourly wage for a waiter/waitress is
>>>> $2.13.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> CA pays $9.00 per hour.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> It does vary by state. I just checked, in CA it went up to $10.50
>> for establishments with less than 25 employees. $11.00 an hour if
>> they have more than 25 employees. Of course California is an
>> expensive state to live in.
>>
>> Both Virginia and South Carolina still only pay $2.13/hr. up to the
>> minimum *Federal wage* which is still stuck at $7.25/hour. If a
>> tipped employee doesn't earn enough in tips to make up the difference
>> the employer is expected to make up the difference, which amounts to
>> $5.12/hour.
>>
>> Jill
>
> My experience is very dated but the employer never made up the
> difference. They may however send off a final statement that looked
> like they had so you owed taxes on money you never got.
>
Tipped employees fill out a form (IRS 4070A) once a month or at the end
of each payroll period declaring their tips. The Point of Sale system
usually keeps track of this information as well. I'm sure plenty of
employers encourage their servers to report at least the $5.12/hour in
tips so they can continue to get the tip credit, which allows them to
only pay the minimum base wage. They are supposed to make up the
difference if the employee doesn't earn enough in tips to meet the
Federal minimum wage.

Jill

On 12/9/2018 9:44 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 5:50:07 PM UTC-6, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>
>>> Hourly wage for a waitress in California is $5.09.
>>>
>>
>> No, it's more than that.
>>
>> https://www.minimum-wage.org/califor...e-minimum-wage
>>
> I'm losing my mind. Awhile ago I found $5.09 and for the love of Pete, I
> can't find that site now.
>
LOL! Happens to the best of us.

Jill

On 12/9/2018 5:38 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-09 3:19 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 2:35:53 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> A lot depends on how a person views their server. As a pitiful,
>>> overworked, underpaid, soul or as their personal
>>> rent-a-slave/lackey/servant.
>>
>> I view them as a person with a plate of food in their hand.
>
>
> Have you ever had one so bad you didn't want to have to deal with them.
> We used to go to a local bar that had Saturday afternoon blues jams. The
> waitress was notorious for short changing customers.Â* She was so bad
> that when when we met friends there one afternoon I warned my friend,
> who was a waitress. Not only she short change my friend, but the
> Courovisier she had ordered was a cheaper brandy.Â* After a while I
> started going to the bar for drinks instead of having her wait on us.
>
>
If you knew this was going on why on earth didn't you report her to the
manager? Especially since you had backup - your friend who was also
short changed?

Jill

On 2018-12-10 12:10 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >, Ed Pawlowski
> > wrote:
>
>
>> I know plenty of people with degrees that are not utilizing them at all.
>
> Way back when, I used my degree to open a door. I used that opportunity
> for seven years which opened another door. That door had nothing to do
> with my degree, and I used the skills my degree originally provided me
> to work until retirement in that job.
> Degrees used to open doors that were inaccessible to people without
> them. I have no idea how it all works now.
>


I had a hard time finding work in the field that I had studied. I ended
up doing something completely different. I never regretted my time at
university. It was interesting and I learned a lot. The fact is that
people with post secondary education make more money than those without.
Those with community college and apprenticeships earn more than those
with just high school and those with BA or higher are the top earners.


There are exceptions. There are those who get degrees and never get far.
There are some who do extremely well without post secondary. My buddy is
an example of that. I knew him back in high school and reconnected with
him a few years ago when I ran into him at the gym. While I had gone
off to university he got into flying. He lived in Quebec for a while and
then out in BC, working for regional airlines. Then he got in with a
major international carrier and flew 777s. He made really good money.
His pension is more than a lot of graduates can hope to earn.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-r...016024-eng.cfm

On 2018-12-10 7:15 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 19:09:25 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:

>> Nobody made anything up. You should hear these 20-21 year old's talk about
>> how they've got these useless degrees. Somehow they think a degree entitles
>> them to a top salary.
>
> David used to say that - he said they would be desperate enough to
> enquire about a secretarial job but expect to be paid way more than
> the average because they had a degree. He would explain the job did
> not require a degree

That is a bit of an issue in education here. Teachers are paid for their
qualification, whether or not they are required for their position.Back
in the 70s when my wife started teaching you could get into teacher's
college without a degree, but the rules changed, so all teachers have a
minimum of a Bachelor's degree. A masters of a Phd will get them even
more money. A kindergarten teacher could feasibly hold a Phd in nuclear
engineering and be paid thousands of dollars a year extra, and never
have to use that education on the job.

My degree did not get my job, nor was I paid extra for it. However, I
did get a lot of special assignments where my education and previous
research experience were helpful.

On 2018-12-10 9:12 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Difficult to say exactly with cost of living changes.Â* My first job in
> 1963 was $55 a week, equal to about $450 now.Â* When I was 20, my mother
> had to co-sign so I could buy my first house and I was making about $80
> then, equal to about $625 now. MarriedÂ* shortly after.

My first summer job (1964) as a labourer making basements paid $1/hr and
that was a lot more than I had been earning with a paper route. My
first summer job after hitting university paid $4.25. Man, I was rolling
in money. My tuition was only $515. Now it would be $6500, and I would
be lucky to find a job that paid as well.

On 2018-12-10 9:13 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 7:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-12-09 6:44 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> If you intend to tip 15% or 20% on the price of the meal you will have
>>>> to work it out and, when given the machine, enter it manually. If you
>>>> opt to tip a percentage it will be calculated on the food and drink and
>>>> on the tax.Â* You do not need to pay a tip on the tax.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> That was what I told you, one does NOT pay a tip on the tax as well!
>>> You wanted proof, I gave it to you, I suppose I could scan my receipts
>>> (there are two, the bill with tax and the total with tip included) and
>>> put it on postimage, but I really can't be bothered.
>>
>> No, no, no. I had said that when you opt to tip my percentage with a
>> card they calculate that percentage on the total, tax included and you
>> replied with "It isn't here, tip comes before tax."
>>
>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>
> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
>

Good. Then you can see from what she wrote here that she does not pay a
tip on the tax. Then she offered the information from her cheque that
showed the cost of the food, the tax, the balance due and then the
amount of the tip. The tip worked out to 20% of the balance due, which
included the tax. Contrary to what she claimed, she did pay the tip on
the tax as well as the meal.

I understand what she is saying, but her proof betrays her claim, unless
there was some other percentage she opted for that worked out to 20% of
the balance due that included the tax.

On 2018-12-10 9:36 a.m., wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:13:05 -0500, jmcquown >
eplied with "It isn't here, tip comes before tax."
>>>
>>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>>
>> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
>>
>> Jill
>
> It's not rocket science and proves he is wrong when he assumes that we
> do in Nova Scotia what they do in Ontario - very far from it thank
> god!!
>

Well I know that it is not rocket science. I just used the information
that you provided from your bill and, using the calculator function on
my computer, I calculated what a 15% tip and a 20% tip would have been
on the meal only and on the balance due, which included the tax. The 20%
tip on the balance due was exactly what you reported to be your tip.

You paid the top on the tax as well as the meal. It really is not
rocket science. Rather than talk to Jill about how you proved me wrong
perhaps you should show me where I am wrong.

On 12/10/2018 11:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-10 9:36 a.m., wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:13:05 -0500, jmcquown >
> eplied with "It isn't here, tip comes before tax."
>>>>
>>>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>>>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>>>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>>>
>>> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> It's not rocket science and proves he is wrong when he assumes that we
>> do in Nova Scotia what they do in Ontario - very far from it thank
>> god!!
>>
>
> Well I know that it is not rocket science. I just used the information
> that you provided from your bill and, using the calculator function on
> my computer, I calculated what a 15% tip and a 20% tip would have been
> on the meal only and on the balance due, which included the tax. The 20%
> tip on the balance due was exactly what you reported to be your tip.
>
> You paid the top on the tax as well as the meal.Â*Â* It really is not
> rocket science.Â* Rather than talk to Jill about how you proved me wrong
> perhaps you should show me where I am wrong.
>
Please don't invoke my name in an attempt to prove her wrong.

Jill

On 12/10/2018 8:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 6:25 PM, wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 3:57:50 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>>>>>
>>>> She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
>>>
>>> People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>>>
>> Of course they should.Â* But if they have no schooling/training or have
>> opted
>> for a liberal arts degree don't expect to start at $25 an hour job that
>> they have absolutely no qualifications for.Â* This has been discussed here
>> more than once; people getting useless degrees and then wonder why
>> they're
>> not making $100,000 a year when they apply for a job they have no clue
>> how
>> to perform.
>>
> Darn!Â* You mean a degree in Greek Philosophy is useless? <giggling>
>
> Jill

Sure it is. They can say "you want fried with that" in two languages.

On 2018-12-10 9:35 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/10/2018 11:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-12-10 9:36 a.m., wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 09:13:05 -0500, jmcquown >
>> eplied with "It isn't here, tip comes before tax."
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>>>>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>>>>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>>>>
>>>> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> It's not rocket science and proves he is wrong when he assumes that we
>>> do in Nova Scotia what they do in Ontario - very far from it thank
>>> god!!
>>>
>>
>> Well I know that it is not rocket science. I just used the information
>> that you provided from your bill and, using the calculator function on
>> my computer, I calculated what a 15% tip and a 20% tip would have been
>> on the meal only and on the balance due, which included the tax. The
>> 20% tip on the balance due was exactly what you reported to be your tip.
>>
>> You paid the top on the tax as well as the meal.Â*Â* It really is not
>> rocket science.Â* Rather than talk to Jill about how you proved me
>> wrong perhaps you should show me where I am wrong.
>>
> Please don't invoke my name in an attempt to prove her wrong.
>
> Jill
This is getting to be "dog with a bone!!"

On 2018-12-10 9:41 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/10/2018 8:56 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/9/2018 6:25 PM, wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 3:57:50 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
>>>>>>
>>>>> She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
>>>>
>>>> People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>>>>
>>> Of course they should.Â* But if they have no schooling/training or
>>> have opted
>>> for a liberal arts degree don't expect to start at $25 an hour job that
>>> they have absolutely no qualifications for.Â* This has been discussed
>>> here
>>> more than once; people getting useless degrees and then wonder why
>>> they're
>>> not making $100,000 a year when they apply for a job they have no
>>> clue how
>>> to perform.
>>>
>> Darn!Â* You mean a degree in Greek Philosophy is useless? <giggling>
>>
>> Jill
>
> Sure it is.Â* They can say "you want fried with that" in two languages.

I expressed that sentiment to a fellow student back in 1963. He replied
that the father of a friend of his had a very good job in an oil company
with an Oxford degree in "Greats", i.e., Latin, Ancient History and
Greek. "It trains the mind" was his reasoning.
Things have changed since then!

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:06:14 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:15:58 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 10:19:17 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 2:35:53 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > > A lot depends on how a person views their server. As a pitiful, overworked, underpaid, soul or as their personal rent-a-slave/lackey/servant.
> > >
> > > I view them as a person with a plate of food in their hand.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > "Request Actuated Food Units"
>
> Which part of "person" was too sophisticated for you?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

My point is that the word person can have a range of meanings from humans of value to "things." It doesn't matter to me what your view of people is but I got a pretty good idea.

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:10:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:30:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > graham wrote:
> > > >On 2018-12-09 Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> BTW..... that January increase may not happen. The previous Liberal
> > > >> governmentÂ* had arranged to increase the minimum wage in two steps. They
> > > >> had already raised it over a dollar per hour and it would have been too
> > > >> onerous on employers to absorb that in a short period. As it turned out,
> > > >> a lot of part time and minimum wage jobs disappeared because employers
> > > >> could not afford it.
> > > >
> > > >In other words, their businesses were not viable if they had to pay a
> > > >living wage.
> > >
> > > You're displaying your UNeducatedness, there is no definition for
> > > "living wage" except in commie governments, and then the dictator
> > > delegates the living wage.
> > > The pay was sufficient to accept the position... if the pay is no
> > > longer deemed sufficient one is free to leave. And what has the
> > > employee done in the interim to make themself more valuable...
> > > NOTHING! Therefore the employer would be thrilled when a useless
> > > employee departs of their own volition, holds down the employer's
> > > unemployment insurance.
> > >
> > > If however the employee went to school at night to acquire more
> > > skills, so made themself more valuable, the employer would be thrilled
> > > to offer a commisserate pay raise rather than risk losing a more
> > > valuable employee.
> > >
> > > Your comment not only says that you are unemployable welfare material
> > > it more loudly says that you are dishonest and thinks it's okay to
> > > take/steal what you didn't earn.
> > > Graham, your thought processes are that of a common
> > > criminal/druggie... your thinking is how shoplifters and tenants who
> > > don't pay their rent think... ' yoose rich, suck it up'... my reply to
> > > your ilk is you're FIRED! You're EVICTED! ADIOS MFer!
> >
> > You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over our head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the ah...said asses.
>
> When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was by
> having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and spaghetti,
> and very little meat or vegetables.
>
> You can dial back the Gen X whine.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are. Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed a check they have no intention of paying for.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:39:17 -0500, Nancy Young >
wrote:

>On 12/9/2018 6:15 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-12-09 6:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 12/9/2018 5:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>> If you intend to tip 15% or 20% on the price of the meal you will
>>>> have to work it out and, when given the machine, enter it manually.
>>>> If you opt to tip a percentage it will be calculated on the food and
>>>> drink and on the tax.* You do not need to pay a tip on the tax.
>>>
>>> That underpaid waitress isn't getting an extra buck if I can help
>>> it!* Well, that seems to be the feeling.
>>
>>
>> How many extra bucks would it take to make you feel good about it.
>
>It's not a matter of feeling good about it, it's knowing your tip
>makes up someone's wage and then trying to scrape off any extra coin,
>it's unseemly and ooks me out.
>
>> have pointed out that 15% used to be considered to be a good tip, but
>> that some people think that inflation and higher prices mean we should
>> tip more, not realizing that the same percentage tip automatically
>> translates to bigger tips.
>
>This bothers you, I know.
>
>> I have also suggested that I would be willing to pay higher menu prices
>> and have the servers make a decent wage than to have to deal with
>> tipping.* I have had good experiences with meals and service in non
>> tipping cultures.
>
>And I have good experience most of the time with the tipping situation.
>No one kisses my butt to get a bigger tip, they just bring me my
>food and drink and be polite about it.
>>
>> I have pointed out how servers get shafted when they have cheapskate
>> customers or customers from non tipping cultures.
>>
>> I live in a jurisdiction where the minimum wage is five times higher
>> than what you are willing to accept.
>
>You have no idea what I'd be willing to accept, so I don't know why
>you'd say that. However, restaurants do operate under the tipping
>situation here and by my observation, seems to be working out for
>people. Or they would go work somewhere else.
>
>I just look at the total, get my roughly 10%, double it and round up
>to the next dollar, 99% of the time. I don't lie awake thinking I
>gave out an extra couple of dollars.
>
>nancy

When I ate out I tipped well, typically 25%. I frequented regular
haunts and called in advance and asked to be served by a particular
waitress. I would never add a tip to my credit card, I tipped in cash
only and directly into the server's hand... I never left a tip on the
table either, where anyone could palm it.

Nowadays servers migrate constantly, plus they are much younger and
lack experience, yet another reason why I stopped eating out. The two
decent restaurants in town that I liked and frequented often both
closed within two months of each other, the original owners decided to
pack it in and retire, The steak house was sold and is now a noisy
sports bar. The Italian restaurant is still empty.

These days the only place where I tip is where I get my hair cut. Lynn
has been cutting my hair for 16 years, and she's been charging me the
same $15. I give her a twenty and say thank you, she keeps the
change. I get my hair cut four times a year, my GI cut takes about 15
minutes, Lynn always makes time for my quickie... it's actually a
ladies salon but they do men's cuts too, if they are quickies like
mine that can be slipped in while some lady is under the drier. The
only men I see in there are practically bald so their trim takes a few
minutes. I have a full head of very thick hair. I could go to a high
style place but they never take enough off, making me have to return
often... all my life I hated having to have my hair cut, my hair grows
fast, a GI works for me. There's a men's barber shop I could go to but
it's 12 miles away. I went there once years ago and didn't like how
my hair was cut, how could they screw up a GI cut. Lynn is no young
chick, she's ten years younger than me and knows exactly how I like my
hair cut. Lynn only works Thursdays and Fridays now, but I can phone
any day they are open and make an appointment with Lynn.

I can't comprehend why so many make such a federal case out of
tipping, if yoose can't afford to tip and the concept gives yoose high
blood pressure then yoose should stick to fast food drive-thrus...
which is most likely what yoose moaners n' groaners do. I like the
concept of tipping, without tipping service people have no incentive
to go out of their way. Instead of tipping force the restaurant owner
to raise wages and menu prices will double. portions will be halved,
and service would be minimal.

What the "short armers" (arms too short to reach their wallets) don't
realize or refuse to realize is that a restaurant has tremendous
overhead, all those in the back need to be paid well or they'd leave,
there's rent and utilities, insurance, the accountant has to be paid
and taxes need paying too, there's a lot of equipment
maintenence/replacement. and there's a lot of shrinkage (food and
drink that gets glommed and/or spoiled. Servers have historically
been in partnership with the restaurant owner, pretty much the same as
a hair dresser at a salon. Do away with tipping servers then one will
need to get used to fine dining from a street vender's cart. Think
what would occur if you stiffed your hair dresser.

In article >,
says...
> > > You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over our head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the ah...said asses.
> >
> > When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was by
> > having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and spaghetti,
> > and very little meat or vegetables.
> >
> > You can dial back the Gen X whine.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are.

I haven't heard any examples of that.

>Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed
> a check they have no intention of paying for.

Rubbish. My generation were brought up hard in the aftermath of WW2
and we've worked for, earned or made everything we have.

Janet UK

On 12/10/2018 12:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 1:10:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:30:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-12-09 Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW..... that January increase may not happen. The previous Liberal
>>>>>> governmentÂ* had arranged to increase the minimum wage in two steps. They
>>>>>> had already raised it over a dollar per hour and it would have been too
>>>>>> onerous on employers to absorb that in a short period. As it turned out,
>>>>>> a lot of part time and minimum wage jobs disappeared because employers
>>>>>> could not afford it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, their businesses were not viable if they had to pay a
>>>>> living wage.
>>>>
>>>> You're displaying your UNeducatedness, there is no definition for
>>>> "living wage" except in commie governments, and then the dictator
>>>> delegates the living wage.
>>>> The pay was sufficient to accept the position... if the pay is no
>>>> longer deemed sufficient one is free to leave. And what has the
>>>> employee done in the interim to make themself more valuable...
>>>> NOTHING! Therefore the employer would be thrilled when a useless
>>>> employee departs of their own volition, holds down the employer's
>>>> unemployment insurance.
>>>>
>>>> If however the employee went to school at night to acquire more
>>>> skills, so made themself more valuable, the employer would be thrilled
>>>> to offer a commisserate pay raise rather than risk losing a more
>>>> valuable employee.
>>>>
>>>> Your comment not only says that you are unemployable welfare material
>>>> it more loudly says that you are dishonest and thinks it's okay to
>>>> take/steal what you didn't earn.
>>>> Graham, your thought processes are that of a common
>>>> criminal/druggie... your thinking is how shoplifters and tenants who
>>>> don't pay their rent think... ' yoose rich, suck it up'... my reply to
>>>> your ilk is you're FIRED! You're EVICTED! ADIOS MFer!
>>>
>>> You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over our head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the ah...said asses.
>>
>> When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was by
>> having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and spaghetti,
>> and very little meat or vegetables.
>>
>> You can dial back the Gen X whine.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are. Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed a check they have no intention of paying for.
>
Not sure what you are talking about. I worked, OT when I could, and
paid for everything I have. If owning a home is self indulgence, tough.

On 12/10/2018 12:44 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:39:17 -0500, Nancy Young >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2018 6:15 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-09 6:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 12/9/2018 5:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>> If you intend to tip 15% or 20% on the price of the meal you will
>>>>> have to work it out and, when given the machine, enter it manually.
>>>>> If you opt to tip a percentage it will be calculated on the food and
>>>>> drink and on the tax.Â* You do not need to pay a tip on the tax.
>>>>
>>>> That underpaid waitress isn't getting an extra buck if I can help
>>>> it!Â* Well, that seems to be the feeling.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many extra bucks would it take to make you feel good about it.
>>
>> It's not a matter of feeling good about it, it's knowing your tip
>> makes up someone's wage and then trying to scrape off any extra coin,
>> it's unseemly and ooks me out.
>>
>>> have pointed out that 15% used to be considered to be a good tip, but
>>> that some people think that inflation and higher prices mean we should
>>> tip more, not realizing that the same percentage tip automatically
>>> translates to bigger tips.
>>
>> This bothers you, I know.
>>
>>> I have also suggested that I would be willing to pay higher menu prices
>>> and have the servers make a decent wage than to have to deal with
>>> tipping.Â* I have had good experiences with meals and service in non
>>> tipping cultures.
>>
>> And I have good experience most of the time with the tipping situation.
>> No one kisses my butt to get a bigger tip, they just bring me my
>> food and drink and be polite about it.
>>>
>>> I have pointed out how servers get shafted when they have cheapskate
>>> customers or customers from non tipping cultures.
>>>
>>> I live in a jurisdiction where the minimum wage is five times higher
>>> than what you are willing to accept.
>>
>> You have no idea what I'd be willing to accept, so I don't know why
>> you'd say that. However, restaurants do operate under the tipping
>> situation here and by my observation, seems to be working out for
>> people. Or they would go work somewhere else.
>>
>> I just look at the total, get my roughly 10%, double it and round up
>> to the next dollar, 99% of the time. I don't lie awake thinking I
>> gave out an extra couple of dollars.
>>
>> nancy
>
> When I ate out I tipped well, typically 25%. I frequented regular
> haunts and called in advance and asked to be served by a particular
> waitress. I would never add a tip to my credit card, I tipped in cash
> only and directly into the server's hand... I never left a tip on the
> table either, where anyone could palm it.
>
You sound like my father. He'd pay for a meal with a credit card but
would only tip in cash. He assumed (incorrectly) they didn't have to
report cash tips as part of their earnings.

> Nowadays servers migrate constantly, plus they are much younger and
> lack experience, yet another reason why I stopped eating out. The two
> decent restaurants in town that I liked and frequented often both
> closed within two months of each other, the original owners decided to
> pack it in and retire, The steak house was sold and is now a noisy
> sports bar. The Italian restaurant is still empty.
>
Johns and my favorite retaurant, Barbara Jean's, sold out to a noisy
sports bar with big screen televisions all over the place. Not a place
either one of us would care to visit.

There is still Gullah Grub, The Foolish Frog and Steamer's.

> These days the only place where I tip is where I get my hair cut. Lynn
> has been cutting my hair for 16 years, and she's been charging me the
> same $15. I give her a twenty and say thank you, she keeps the
> change.
(snippage)

> I can't comprehend why so many make such a federal case out of
> tipping, if yoose can't afford to tip and the concept gives yoose high
> blood pressure then yoose should stick to fast food drive-thrus...
>
(snippage)

> What the "short armers" (arms too short to reach their wallets) don't
> realize or refuse to realize is that a restaurant has tremendous
> overhead, all those in the back need to be paid well or they'd leave,
> there's rent and utilities, insurance, the accountant has to be paid
> and taxes need paying too, there's a lot of equipment
> maintenence/replacement. and there's a lot of shrinkage (food and
> drink that gets glommed and/or spoiled.

That's true. Not to mention servers do more than just schlep food to
the table. They're in the back making coffee and tea, cleaning
constantly. Refilling (marrying) ketchup and other condiment bottles
and refilling salt & pepper mills/shakers. Rolling silverware.

> what would occur if you stiffed your hair dresser.
>
Non sequitor. I don't have a hair dresser.

Jill

On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 17:39:49 -0800, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >,
"> wrote:
>
>> Well, my neighbor across the street worked as a waitress for several years.
>> Granted, her waitressing job was at a fancy (non-chain) steakhouse. With
>> her earnings and tips she was able to buy her house. She has since moved
>> on to a job in real estate but did pick up her exceedingly wealthy husband
>> while waitressing at that steakhouse. Who'd a thunk it?
>
>Were I a sexist pig, I'd probably guess that her looks fit and/or
>exceed her education. Fortunately, as the few here who read my posts
>know, I'm extraordinarily enlightened and think no such thing.
>
>leo

Leo, you are far from enlightened... anyone with a functioning brain
knows that they are together because they mesh well in the sack, and
looks has little if anything to do with performance.... otherwise
there'd be millions of ordinary looking people all alone. Plus there
are many very attractive couples filling the divorce courts.

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 7:58:45 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> Not sure what you are talking about. I worked, OT when I could, and
> paid for everything I have. If owning a home is self indulgence, tough.

Congratulation on that. I'm not talking about you and what has that got to do with the current economic climate? My guess is that history will not be kind to the boomer generation. They'll be seen as self-indulgent, self-medicating, sell outs, that in the end, only cared about making money and paying low taxes. Of course, I can only see this because I come from the 25th century.

"jmcquown" wrote in message ...

On 12/10/2018 12:44 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 20:39:17 -0500, Nancy Young >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2018 6:15 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-12-09 6:05 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 12/9/2018 5:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>> If you intend to tip 15% or 20% on the price of the meal you will
>>>>> have to work it out and, when given the machine, enter it manually.
>>>>> If you opt to tip a percentage it will be calculated on the food and
>>>>> drink and on the tax. You do not need to pay a tip on the tax.
>>>>
>>>> That underpaid waitress isn't getting an extra buck if I can help
>>>> it! Well, that seems to be the feeling.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many extra bucks would it take to make you feel good about it.
>>
>> It's not a matter of feeling good about it, it's knowing your tip
>> makes up someone's wage and then trying to scrape off any extra coin,
>> it's unseemly and ooks me out.
>>
>>> have pointed out that 15% used to be considered to be a good tip, but
>>> that some people think that inflation and higher prices mean we should
>>> tip more, not realizing that the same percentage tip automatically
>>> translates to bigger tips.
>>
>> This bothers you, I know.
>>
>>> I have also suggested that I would be willing to pay higher menu prices
>>> and have the servers make a decent wage than to have to deal with
>>> tipping. I have had good experiences with meals and service in non
>>> tipping cultures.
>>
>> And I have good experience most of the time with the tipping situation.
>> No one kisses my butt to get a bigger tip, they just bring me my
>> food and drink and be polite about it.
>>>
>>> I have pointed out how servers get shafted when they have cheapskate
>>> customers or customers from non tipping cultures.
>>>
>>> I live in a jurisdiction where the minimum wage is five times higher
>>> than what you are willing to accept.
>>
>> You have no idea what I'd be willing to accept, so I don't know why
>> you'd say that. However, restaurants do operate under the tipping
>> situation here and by my observation, seems to be working out for
>> people. Or they would go work somewhere else.
>>
>> I just look at the total, get my roughly 10%, double it and round up
>> to the next dollar, 99% of the time. I don't lie awake thinking I
>> gave out an extra couple of dollars.
>>
>> nancy
>
> When I ate out I tipped well, typically 25%. I frequented regular
> haunts and called in advance and asked to be served by a particular
> waitress. I would never add a tip to my credit card, I tipped in cash
> only and directly into the server's hand... I never left a tip on the
> table either, where anyone could palm it.
>
You sound like my father. He'd pay for a meal with a credit card but
would only tip in cash. He assumed (incorrectly) they didn't have to
report cash tips as part of their earnings.

> Nowadays servers migrate constantly, plus they are much younger and
> lack experience, yet another reason why I stopped eating out. The two
> decent restaurants in town that I liked and frequented often both
> closed within two months of each other, the original owners decided to
> pack it in and retire, The steak house was sold and is now a noisy
> sports bar. The Italian restaurant is still empty.
>
Johns and my favorite retaurant, Barbara Jean's, sold out to a noisy
sports bar with big screen televisions all over the place. Not a place
either one of us would care to visit.

There is still Gullah Grub, The Foolish Frog and Steamer's.

> These days the only place where I tip is where I get my hair cut. Lynn
> has been cutting my hair for 16 years, and she's been charging me the
> same $15. I give her a twenty and say thank you, she keeps the
> change.
(snippage)

> I can't comprehend why so many make such a federal case out of
> tipping, if yoose can't afford to tip and the concept gives yoose high
> blood pressure then yoose should stick to fast food drive-thrus...
>
(snippage)

> What the "short armers" (arms too short to reach their wallets) don't
> realize or refuse to realize is that a restaurant has tremendous
> overhead, all those in the back need to be paid well or they'd leave,
> there's rent and utilities, insurance, the accountant has to be paid
> and taxes need paying too, there's a lot of equipment
> maintenence/replacement. and there's a lot of shrinkage (food and
> drink that gets glommed and/or spoiled.

That's true. Not to mention servers do more than just schlep food to
the table. They're in the back making coffee and tea, cleaning
constantly. Refilling (marrying) ketchup and other condiment bottles
and refilling salt & pepper mills/shakers. Rolling silverware.

> what would occur if you stiffed your hair dresser
>
Non sequitor. I don't have a hair dresser.

==

LOL neither do I. I bet we are not alone

Sheldon likes his hairdresser and nothing wrong with that, but not for me)



Jill

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 8:17:04 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Leo, you are far from enlightened... anyone with a functioning brain
> knows that they are together because they mesh well in the sack, and
> looks has little if anything to do with performance.... otherwise
> there'd be millions of ordinary looking people all alone. Plus there
> are many very attractive couples filling the divorce courts.

According to the theory of evolution, we should all be beautiful and strong humans. Beats me why that's not happening. Attractive couple file for divorce because they have more options?

On 12/10/2018 1:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 7:58:45 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>> Not sure what you are talking about. I worked, OT when I could, and
>> paid for everything I have. If owning a home is self indulgence, tough.
>
> Congratulation on that. I'm not talking about you and what has that got to do with the current economic climate? My guess is that history will not be kind to the boomer generation. They'll be seen as self-indulgent, self-medicating, sell outs, that in the end, only cared about making money and paying low taxes. Of course, I can only see this because I come from the 25th century.
>

Good point. I may give away all my wordly goods and go live in the
woods. I can eat wild berries and leaves.

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:35:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/9/2018 7:45 PM, wrote:
>
>> In the US any youngster learns a marketable skill; like welder,
>> plumber, carpenter, and the like will never need to bitch about their
>> pay. My long time friend is a master electrician, he holds classes so
>> youngsters can get their license. No one is starving, far from it.
>>
>
>Yeah, but electricians sometimes get their hands dirty.

Electricians get their hands dirty every day, so dirty in fact that no
manucurist can make their hands presentable.

>I want to
>study 4th century Greek sculpture and make a lot of money to pay off my
>huge student loans. .

You'd need to be able to lick your eyebrows.

My electrician friend has been married a very long time, more than 50
years to a very attractive Irish lass and they managed to raise five
kids, four girls, one boy. He's nothing much to look at, he wasn't
much to look at when I met him in '78. She never worked at a paying
job, didn't need to, my friend made a good living. Maureen worked at
raising kids and taking very good care of Joe S. Kids are all grown,
girls have families of their own, Joe Jr works as an electrician with
his father. Joe doesn't do much physical work anymore, his eyes are
failing, in fact his son has to drive him everywhere, out to job sites
and to perspective jobs to do estimates. Joe has had his own
contracting business now for more than 30 years, he employs a half
dozen electricians. He's a workaholic, he can easily afford to retire
but I doubt he ever will voluntarilly; he's on the phone all day
working up estimates and purchasing equipment for jobs, evenings he
teaches getting youngsters ready to take the electrician license test.
These days he takes on mostly commercial jobs, he has no time to add a
recepticle in someone's home kitchen.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
>> > > You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over our
>> > > head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's
>> > > not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic
>> > > landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger
>> > > generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless
>> > > entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the
>> > > ah...said asses.
>> >
>> > When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was
>> > by
>> > having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and
>> > spaghetti,
>> > and very little meat or vegetables.
>> >
>> > You can dial back the Gen X whine.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are.
>
> I haven't heard any examples of that.
>
>>Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed
>> a check they have no intention of paying for.
>
> Rubbish. My generation were brought up hard in the aftermath of WW2
> and we've worked for, earned or made everything we have.
>
> Janet UK

+ A million.

Cheri

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:31:03 -0500, wrote:

>On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 21:35:18 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>I want to
>>study 4th century Greek sculpture and make a lot of money to pay off my
>>huge student loans. .
>
>You'd need to be able to lick your eyebrows.
>
>My electrician friend has been married a very long time, more than 50
>years to a very attractive Irish lass and they managed to raise five
>kids, four girls, one boy. He's nothing much to look at, he wasn't
>much to look at when I met him in '78. She never worked at a paying
>job, didn't need to, my friend made a good living. Maureen worked at
>raising kids and taking very good care of Joe S. Kids are all grown,
>girls have families of their own, Joe Jr works as an electrician with
>his father. Joe doesn't do much physical work anymore, his eyes are
>failing, in fact his son has to drive him everywhere, out to job sites
>and to perspective jobs to do estimates. Joe has had his own
>contracting business now for more than 30 years, he employs a half
>dozen electricians. He's a workaholic, he can easily afford to retire
>but I doubt he ever will voluntarilly; he's on the phone all day
>working up estimates and purchasing equipment for jobs, evenings he
>teaches getting youngsters ready to take the electrician license test.
>These days he takes on mostly commercial jobs, he has no time to add a
>recepticle in someone's home kitchen.

And your point is?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:35:57 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Janet" > wrote in message
et...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> > > You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over our
>>> > > head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's
>>> > > not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic
>>> > > landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger
>>> > > generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless
>>> > > entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the
>>> > > ah...said asses.
>>> >
>>> > When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was
>>> > by
>>> > having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and
>>> > spaghetti,
>>> > and very little meat or vegetables.
>>> >
>>> > You can dial back the Gen X whine.
>>> >
>>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are.
>>
>> I haven't heard any examples of that.
>>
>>>Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed
>>> a check they have no intention of paying for.
>>
>> Rubbish. My generation were brought up hard in the aftermath of WW2
>> and we've worked for, earned or made everything we have.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
>+ A million.

Inflation.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:42:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>wrote in message ...
>
>graham wrote:
>>On 2018-12-09 Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> BTW..... that January increase may not happen. The previous Liberal
>>> government had arranged to increase the minimum wage in two steps. They
>>> had already raised it over a dollar per hour and it would have been too
>>> onerous on employers to absorb that in a short period. As it turned out,
>>> a lot of part time and minimum wage jobs disappeared because employers
>>> could not afford it.
>>
>>In other words, their businesses were not viable if they had to pay a
>>living wage.
>
>You're displaying your UNeducatedness, there is no definition for
>"living wage" except in commie governments, and then the dictator
>delegates the living wage.
>The pay was sufficient to accept the position... if the pay is no
>longer deemed sufficient one is free to leave. And what has the
>employee done in the interim to make themself more valuable...
>NOTHING! Therefore the employer would be thrilled when a useless
>employee departs of their own volition, holds down the employer's
>unemployment insurance.
>
>If however the employee went to school at night to acquire more
>skills, so made themself more valuable, the employer would be thrilled
>to offer a commisserate pay raise rather than risk losing a more
>valuable employee.
>
>Your comment not only says that you are unemployable welfare material
>it more loudly says that you are dishonest and thinks it's okay to
>take/steal what you didn't earn.
>Graham, your thought processes are that of a common
>criminal/druggie... your thinking is how shoplifters and tenants who
>don't pay their rent think... ' yoose rich, suck it up'... my reply to
>your ilk is you're FIRED! You're EVICTED! ADIOS MFer!
>
>==
>
>Errr you DO know that Graham is a scientist ...????


Err, everyone here seems to be an Einstein.
Did you know that scientists are not well paid, I worked for 25 years
at a National Laboratory surounded by the world's best scientists.
Most of their renumeration was in the form of benefits, not money.
They and their families were housed, they were given medical
insurance, they were fed, they were provided with transportation
(chauffered). They had no utility bills, not even a phone bill, and
they had free use of the planet's most powerful computers.... for most
the noteriety was compensation enough. And for the most part those
scientists truly lacked common sence.... I saw them walking about in a
snowstorm in slippers and a bathrobe poring over a calculator, totally
oblivious to their surroundings.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:58:52 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:42:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>Sheldon wrote in message ...
>>
>>Your comment not only says that you are unemployable welfare material
>>it more loudly says that you are dishonest and thinks it's okay to
>>take/steal what you didn't earn.
>>Graham, your thought processes are that of a common
>>criminal/druggie... your thinking is how shoplifters and tenants who
>>don't pay their rent think... ' yoose rich, suck it up'... my reply to
>>your ilk is you're FIRED! You're EVICTED! ADIOS MFer!
>>
>>==
>>
>>Errr you DO know that Graham is a scientist ...????
>
>Are you suggesting a scientist knows more than Sheldon???

Fact is I worked with plenty who had more knowlege than I, but only in
an extremely narrow disipline.... many couldn't dress themselves, many
didn't bathe. The mad scientist is a truism.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:04:08 -0500, wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 19:58:52 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:42:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Sheldon wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>Your comment not only says that you are unemployable welfare material
>>>it more loudly says that you are dishonest and thinks it's okay to
>>>take/steal what you didn't earn.
>>>Graham, your thought processes are that of a common
>>>criminal/druggie... your thinking is how shoplifters and tenants who
>>>don't pay their rent think... ' yoose rich, suck it up'... my reply to
>>>your ilk is you're FIRED! You're EVICTED! ADIOS MFer!
>>>
>>>==
>>>
>>>Errr you DO know that Graham is a scientist ...????
>>
>>Are you suggesting a scientist knows more than Sheldon???
>
>Fact is I worked with plenty who had more knowlege than I, but only in
>an extremely narrow disipline.... many couldn't dress themselves, many
>didn't bathe. The mad scientist is a truism.

I know that type from experience, but they're not all like that

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 14:58:31 -0500, wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 08:42:34 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>Errr you DO know that Graham is a scientist ...????
>
>
>Err, everyone here seems to be an Einstein.
>Did you know that scientists are not well paid, I worked for 25 years
>at a National Laboratory surounded by the world's best scientists.
>Most of their renumeration was in the form of benefits, not money.
>They and their families were housed, they were given medical
>insurance, they were fed, they were provided with transportation
>(chauffered). They had no utility bills, not even a phone bill, and
>they had free use of the planet's most powerful computers.... for most
>the noteriety was compensation enough. And for the most part those
>scientists truly lacked common sence.... I saw them walking about in a
>snowstorm in slippers and a bathrobe poring over a calculator, totally
>oblivious to their surroundings.

Lol, probably the autistic or at least severely Asperger type.

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 4:58:17 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 4:57:50 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 12:59:49 -0800 (PST), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:14:16 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > >>
> > >> If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job.
> > >>
> > >> That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary.
> > >>
> > >She probably had to work her way up to get that decent base salary.
> >
> > People should be able to make a living on a fulltime job.
>
> I worked for a pittance when I was young. It provided ample motivation
> for me to upgrade my skills.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Same here! I was fortunate that the company I worked for provided training
skills for the job I moved into. I stay at that job within the company for
30+ years and left as shift supervisor, one step down from shift manager.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 03:10:10 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 6:30:07 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> > graham wrote:
>> > >On 2018-12-09 Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> BTW..... that January increase may not happen. The previous Liberal
>> > >> government* had arranged to increase the minimum wage in two steps. They
>> > >> had already raised it over a dollar per hour and it would have been too
>> > >> onerous on employers to absorb that in a short period. As it turned out,
>> > >> a lot of part time and minimum wage jobs disappeared because employers
>> > >> could not afford it.
>> > >
>> > >In other words, their businesses were not viable if they had to pay a
>> > >living wage.
>> >
>> > You're displaying your UNeducatedness, there is no definition for
>> > "living wage" except in commie governments, and then the dictator
>> > delegates the living wage.
>> > The pay was sufficient to accept the position... if the pay is no
>> > longer deemed sufficient one is free to leave. And what has the
>> > employee done in the interim to make themself more valuable...
>> > NOTHING! Therefore the employer would be thrilled when a useless
>> > employee departs of their own volition, holds down the employer's
>> > unemployment insurance.
>> >
>> > If however the employee went to school at night to acquire more
>> > skills, so made themself more valuable, the employer would be thrilled
>> > to offer a commisserate pay raise rather than risk losing a more
>> > valuable employee.
>> >
>> > Your comment not only says that you are unemployable welfare material
>> > it more loudly says that you are dishonest and thinks it's okay to
>> > take/steal what you didn't earn.
>> > Graham, your thought processes are that of a common
>> > criminal/druggie... your thinking is how shoplifters and tenants who
>> > don't pay their rent think... ' yoose rich, suck it up'... my reply to
>> > your ilk is you're FIRED! You're EVICTED! ADIOS MFer!
>>
>> You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over our head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the ah...said asses.
>
>When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was by
>having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and spaghetti,
>and very little meat or vegetables.
>
>You can dial back the Gen X whine.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Growing up I was well cared for, my parents were hard working, we
lived in our own home and took no charity, life was good. However it
was very clear that living in my parent's basement was not going to
happen... and delivering newspapers and groceries would not make me
independant. At age 17 I enlisted in the US Navy, upon graduation
from HS I was on a plane off to boot camp. When my enlistment was up
I returned home but could tell that was not going to work. So I
signed on to an apprenticeship program and four years later was
considered a Master Tool & Diemaker. Meanwhile I earned enough to be
independant in my own appartment. Shortly thereafter I married and
together we could afford a better appartment. When we moved to CA I
worked in the aircraft industry and we decided I should go to college
on the GI Bill, which paid for my schooling and enough money to pay
our rent with some left over for groceries etc. I soon realized that
driving a desk was not for me so I returned to toolmaking, best move I
ever made.... no Tool & Diemaker is ever out of a job unless they
choose to take a vacation. I know several degreed people who can't
find employment. And Tool & Diemakers are paid well, during the '60s
my net pay from Lockhed was $444/wk... I could live on that now.

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 11:58:45 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 12/10/2018 12:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are. Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed a check they have no intention of paying for.
> >
> Not sure what you are talking about. I worked, OT when I could, and
> paid for everything I have. If owning a home is self indulgence, tough.
>
I didn't get that comment either. I worked overtime whether I wanted to or
not, but the paycheck was nice when that extra cashed showed up on it. $10
for every Christmas morning, Easter Sunday, and New Years Eve I worked would
be nice. The only 'self-indulgence' I can think of that I gladly jumped on
was the FHA loan for my house.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:35:57 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Janet" > wrote in message
. net...
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> > > You're wrong about that. Yoose and meese could afford a roof over
>>>> > > our
>>>> > > head and food when we were young folks - even an education. That's
>>>> > > not the case any more. You're totally clueless about the economic
>>>> > > landscape out there. My guess is that very soon the younger
>>>> > > generation is going to get tired of paying for our useless
>>>> > > entitlement asses and then there's' going to be trouble for the
>>>> > > ah...said asses.
>>>> >
>>>> > When I was young, the only way I could afford a roof over my head was
>>>> > by
>>>> > having roommates and riding the bus. Food was a lot of rice and
>>>> > spaghetti,
>>>> > and very little meat or vegetables.
>>>> >
>>>> > You can dial back the Gen X whine.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> Cut me a break with the boomer gloating about how special they are.
>>>
>>> I haven't heard any examples of that.
>>>
>>>>Their self-indulgence have sold out the future generations. They cashed
>>>> a check they have no intention of paying for.
>>>
>>> Rubbish. My generation were brought up hard in the aftermath of WW2
>>> and we've worked for, earned or made everything we have.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>>+ A million.
>
> Inflation.


True.

Cheri

On Monday, December 10, 2018 at 9:23:49 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Good point. I may give away all my wordly goods and go live in the
> woods. I can eat wild berries and leaves.

You could do that if you wish, it's not going to change the unfavorable write up the boomers are going to get. The reality is that you're not going to be able to view the actions of the boomers or the Gen Xes objectively. Mostly you see things from the view of a crotchety old geezer.

On 2018-12-10 9:36 a.m., wrote:

>>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>>
>> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
> It's not rocket science and proves he is wrong when he assumes that we
> do in Nova Scotia what they do in Ontario - very far from it thank
> god!!

I am still waiting for you to point out the error in my calculation that
you think proved me wrong.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 22:01:08 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 04:37 10 Dec 2018, Bruce > wrote in
:
>
>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 22:40:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 12/9/2018 10:09 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 7:35:58 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody was talking about $25 an hour or $100,000 a year. Y'all made
>>>>> that up yourselves.
>>>>>
>>>> Nobody made anything up. You should hear these 20-21 year old's
>>>> talk about how they've got these useless degrees. Somehow they
>>>> think a degree entitles them to a top salary.
>>>>
>>>I know plenty of people with degrees that are not utilizing them at
>>>all.
>>>
>>>One has a law degree and passed the bar. He is a 2nd shift supervisor
>>>in a manufacturing plant. Sociology degree working in shipping. An
>>>LPN working as a machine operator. Some could not get jobs in their
>>>chosen field, others had the job and found they did not care to make a
>>>living at it.
>>
>> A university degree is never wasted, though. Once you've learned to
>> use your brain in one field, you're better prepared to use it in any
>> other field. That's why I'm so good with ingredients.
>
>You are?

I list them like a pro.

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:10:19 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-12-10 9:36 a.m., wrote:
>
>>>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>>>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>>>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>>>
>>> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
>> It's not rocket science and proves he is wrong when he assumes that we
>> do in Nova Scotia what they do in Ontario - very far from it thank
>> god!!
>
>I am still waiting for you to point out the error in my calculation that
>you think proved me wrong.
>
You originally wanted me to say I paid tax on the tip, when I showed
you I didn't, you shifted to me paying more for the tip based on the
taxed price. Well, I'm not like you Smith, if I like the service I am
quite happy to pay 20 1/2 % or whatever.

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think/do/say - I just have
tremendous commiseration to offer your poor wife Megatron.

On 2018-12-10 5:28 p.m., wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 17:10:19 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-12-10 9:36 a.m., wrote:
>>
>>>>> Then you came back with the information about the bill that showed the
>>>>> cost of the meal followed by the tax, the the balance due, followed by
>>>>> the tip, which turned out to be 20% if the meal after taxes.
>>>>
>>>> I understand what she's saying even if you don't.
>>> It's not rocket science and proves he is wrong when he assumes that we
>>> do in Nova Scotia what they do in Ontario - very far from it thank
>>> god!!
>>
>> I am still waiting for you to point out the error in my calculation that
>> you think proved me wrong.
>>
> You originally wanted me to say I paid tax on the tip, when I showed
> you I didn't, you shifted to me paying more for the tip based on the
> taxed price. Well, I'm not like you Smith, if I like the service I am
> quite happy to pay 20 1/2 % or whatever.

Nope. I said that when you pay with the debit machine and pay a
percentage tip it is calculated on top of the tax.... so you are paying
a tip on the tax. You replied with "It isn't here, tip comes before tax."

I questioned that and you came up with the details of the receipt that
you found. You did not say what percentage tip you paid, but I
calculated a 15% and a 20 % tip on the amount of you meal and on the
balance due that showed the price after tip and found that the 20% tip
on the balance due was the same as the tip shown on the receipt, meaning
that you paid a 20% tip on the tax as well as the meal.

> Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think/do/say - I just have
> tremendous commiseration to offer your poor wife Megatron.>

You cared enough to disagree with me about the machines calculating the
tip on the tax as well as the meal and then provided the details of the
receipt that clearly show that you that I was right about that but then
turn around and tell someone else that the bill details proved me wrong.
I gave you the opportunity to show where my calculation was wrong. Now
you are trying to turn it around to say that I said you were paying tax
on the tip, even though I have previously quoted both of our comments.