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On 12/9/2018 8:52 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-12-08 5:33 p.m., Hank Rogers wrote: >> graham wrote: >> My brother is in the southern baptist cult, and there is no way to >> rescue him ... EVER. I wish I could. >> > My B-I-L's brother became a JW. Could that be worse? I caught some of Leah Remini's expose on JH, wow I had no idea! The same shunning if you leave or do something wrong like, say, go to college (or send your kids) ... it's a horror show. I was not into church but thank goodness my parent's religion isn't like some of them. nancy |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 09:38:38 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 12/9/2018 8:30 AM, wrote: >> He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which >> is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite >> because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty >> much know all the girls now, it's not about me but them, how their >> studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few >> weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile. > >Bruce seems to think you have a say in how much an employer pays their >wait staff! > >Jill He has three places around town and the girls at the one near here all like him and say he is good and fair. I feel that is reflected in their attitudes. |
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On 2018-12-09 6:36 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:32:40 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2018-12-08 8:48 p.m., wrote: >>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:30:34 -0500, Dave Smith >>> >>>> Well, there is another one of those unwritten tipping rule questions. >>>> Some people thing you should tip as a percentage on the total, tip >>>> included. If you pay by debit here and opt for 15% it is on the total, >>>> including the tax. >>>> >>>> >>> It isn't here, tip comes before tax. >>> >> Really? And how do they do that? When you pay by debit machine they >> enter the amount. They do not enter the food and drink total, let you >> add the percentage tip and then add the tax. >> >> Do you think maybe you were wrong about that? > > I will examine it carefully next time! > Please do, because I am intrigued by the process that would be involved in taking total that was entered into the machine, deducting the amount of tax, which was never entered separately, calculating the percentage tip on that amount, then adding that tip and the tax to get a new total. Or..... you could just acknowledge that the machines calculate the tip on the total amount, tax included. I do not pay a tip on the taxes. If I used the % tip I will opt for the 15% and accept that it is actually closer to 17%. FWIW... my managed a number of bars and restaurants for close to 10 years and considers 15% to be a good tip. |
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On 12/8/2018 8:48 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:30:34 -0500, Dave Smith > > wrote: > >> On 2018-12-08 6:12 PM, wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:46:16 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> I remain perplexed by the attitudes that I see being expressed here. >>>> People feel obliged to leave a tip that is based on a percentage of the >>>> cost of their meal and drinks, some claiming to tip 30% or more, but >>>> reject the suggestion that the price of service being included in the >>>> meal. They prefer to pay a percentage of their bill as a voluntary >>>> gratuity to having a smaller amount added to the menu price. >>>> >>> I don't like the tip automatically to the bill. The waitstaff know they >>> will receive a tip whether they are an attentive waiter or one who dis- >>> appears after the food has been delivered. >> >> I have had excellent service in non tipping countries, and I did not at >> all miss the tip soliciting behaviour. >> >> >> >>>> I think that you have to admit that there is a degree of sticker shock >>>> when you get your bill and see the tax added and then being expected to >>>> add 15% or more. >>>> >>> I do not tip based on the total price; I tip on the amount of the bill before >>> taxes are added. >> >> Well, there is another one of those unwritten tipping rule questions. >> Some people thing you should tip as a percentage on the total, tip >> included. If you pay by debit here and opt for 15% it is on the total, >> including the tax. >> >> > It isn't here, tip comes before tax. > There's a place on the ticket/guest check where you write in the tip before you sign. It is *above* the tax amount so you're tipping on the meal, not on the taxed total. I guess he hasn't looked at a guest check lately.  Jill |
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"dsi1" > wrote in message news:ddd123cf-9e39-4f67-9067-
> Tis the season for anger and resentment. Oh wait, you heathens don't > believe in peace and goodwill towards men or even good and evil - it's all > just "things." ======= I believe in it, that's why my posts are at a minimum these past several days. LOL Cheri |
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On 2018-12-09 7:22 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 5:46:16 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: >> I remain perplexed by the attitudes that I see being expressed here. >> People feel obliged to leave a tip that is based on a percentage of the >> cost of their meal and drinks, some claiming to tip 30% or more, but >> reject the suggestion that the price of service being included in the >> meal. They prefer to pay a percentage of their bill as a voluntary >> gratuity to having a smaller amount added to the menu price. > > Sorry? I believe I'm the only person here who claims to tip 30% or > more. When have I ever said I was opposed to a decent wage for waitstaff? > > However, many places that have tried that have rescinded it due to complaints > on the part of their employees, because it reduced their actual compensation. I guess the reason they were unhappy was that their hourly rate was too low. If there was a percentage that was added to the price, and it went to the servers as a commission, it should work out about the same. Servers would not have to rely on the generosity of their customers. Some people do not tip at all, some are low tippers, and there is no telling what exactly constitutes the level of service that justifies a given percentage tip. Some people expect the servers to be waiting on them hand and food. I want servers to bring my the menu, answer my questions and bring me my food. I don't want them in my face all the time. |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
... > On 12/8/2018 5:08 PM, cshenk wrote: >> Dave Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> FWIW.... there are minimum wages for servers here. It is lower for >>> those serving alcohol, but it currently $12.20 /hr here. >> >> A waitress may only make 1.25 an hour and be expected to 'make of the >> rest in tips' which she then has to split with the cook and bus boy >> (cook and busboy make over minimum wage already). >> > Carol, FYI in Virginia the hourly wage for a waiter/waitress is $2.13. > > Jill CA pays $9.00 per hour. Cheri |
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On 12/7/2018 5:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > If I don't like the food or the serviceÂ* I am not likely to return > anyway. A server should not have to be tipped for good service. > Restaurant employees should be providing good service to ensure that > customers return..... and their employers should be paying them > enough.... and ensuring that they provide the service they are being > paid to provide. > I don't think anyone disagrees that employers should be paying them more, Dave. Until the laws are changed that's just the way things are. Tips or no tips, providing good service part of the job description. Jill |
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On 2018-12-09 8:54 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/8/2018 5:08 PM, cshenk wrote: >> Dave Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> FWIW.... there are minimum wages for servers here. It is lower for >>> those serving alcohol, but it currently $12.20 /hr here. >> >> A waitress may only make 1.25 an hour and be expected to 'make of the >> rest in tips' which she then has to split with the cook and bus boy >> (cook and busboy make over minimum wage already). >> > Carol, FYI in Virginia the hourly wage for a waiter/waitress is $2.13. It is difficult to make judgements about what constitutes a decent tip when situations vary from one jurisdiction to another. We realize that the idea of tipping is that it helps to make up for a shitty hourly wage. The low wage and expectation of tips encourages waiters to work harder and to make the dining experience enjoyable. That hourly pay varies a lot. While it is a measly $2.13 in VA, it is $12.20 and hour here in Ontario. If restaurants have to raise their prices to cover the higher wage, the diner is already paying more. Then we are expected to pay another 15% or more on that already inflated price. |
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On 12/7/2018 5:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-07 1:14 PM, Fruitiest of Fruitcakes wrote: > > >> That doesnt seem simple, just cowardly. >> >> If I purchase items from a store and they end up being substandard I take >> them back for a refund, >> >> Why must that not apply to catering outlets? > > You can't take back food that you have eaten. It could not be too bad if > you ate it. Restaurants do sometimes bend over backwards to placate > idiot customers. My nephew is a chef and when he was at one of the local > winery restaurants one person sent back pate foie gras because she > thought it was too fatty. Another sent back sweetbreads because she was > a vegetarian and didn't know it was meat. > LOL on the sweetbreads! Jill |
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On 12/9/2018 10:03 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... >> On 12/8/2018 5:08 PM, cshenk wrote: >>> Dave Smith wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> FWIW.... there are minimum wages for servers here. It is lower for >>>> those serving alcohol, but it currently $12.20 /hr here. >>> >>> A waitress may only make 1.25 an hour and be expected to 'make of the >>> rest in tips' which she then has to split with the cook and bus boy >>> (cook and busboy make over minimum wage already). >>> >> Carol, FYI in Virginia the hourly wage for a waiter/waitress is $2.13. >> >> Jill > > > CA pays $9.00 per hour. > > Cheri It does vary by state. I just checked, in CA it went up to $10.50 for establishments with less than 25 employees. $11.00 an hour if they have more than 25 employees. Of course California is an expensive state to live in. Both Virginia and South Carolina still only pay $2.13/hr. up to the minimum *Federal wage* which is still stuck at $7.25/hour. If a tipped employee doesn't earn enough in tips to make up the difference the employer is expected to make up the difference, which amounts to $5.12/hour. Jill |
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On 2018-12-09 9:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/8/2018 6:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >>> I don't like the tip automatically to the bill.Â* The waitstaff know they >>> will receive a tip whether they are an attentive waiter or one who dis- >>> appears after the food has been delivered. >> >> I have had excellent service in non tipping countries, and I did not >> at all miss the tip soliciting behaviour. >> > I can't say I've ever experienced "tip soliciting behaviour".Â* What does > that even mean?Â* Being obsequious?Â* Nope, I can't say I've encountered > that. Are you kidding. It is no secret. Psychology today even wrote an article about it. They noted that women who wear something in their hair get more tips from men and women than those who do not. Waitress who gently touch their customers on the shoulder, arm or hand get larger tips. The customers who are touched tend to buy more drinks, offering more opportunities for tips. Introducing themselves by name gets bigger tips. They suggest setting up reciprocity. They do things like writing a little note on the bill. If the food is late they tell you the chef didn't think it was up to his standards so he did it over again. They have done you a favour....so pay up. They repeat the orders, leading to a sense of sameness, which will prompt you to tip more. At the bottom of their list is offering good service. |
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On 2018-12-09 9:47 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/8/2018 8:48 PM, wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:30:34 -0500, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >>> On 2018-12-08 6:12 PM, wrote: >>>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:46:16 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I remain perplexed by the attitudes that I see being expressed here. >>>>> People feel obliged to leave a tip that is based on a percentage of >>>>> the >>>>> cost of their meal and drinks, some claiming to tip 30% or more, but >>>>> reject the suggestion that the price of service being included in the >>>>> meal. They prefer to pay a percentage of their bill as a voluntary >>>>> gratuity to having a smaller amount added to the menu price. >>>>> >>>> I don't like the tip automatically to the bill.Â* The waitstaff know >>>> they >>>> will receive a tip whether they are an attentive waiter or one who dis- >>>> appears after the food has been delivered. >>> >>> I have had excellent service in non tipping countries, and I did not at >>> all miss the tip soliciting behaviour. >>> >>> >>> >>>>> I think that you have to admit that there is a degree of sticker shock >>>>> when you get your bill and see the tax addedÂ* and then being >>>>> expected to >>>>> add 15% or more. >>>>> >>>> I do not tip based on the total price; I tip on the amount of the >>>> bill before >>>> taxes are added. >>> >>> Well, there is another one of those unwritten tipping rule questions. >>> Some people thing you should tip as a percentage on the total, tip >>> included.Â* If you pay by debit here and opt for 15% it is on the total, >>> including the tax. >>> >>> >> It isn't here, tip comes before tax. >> > There's a place on the ticket/guest check where you write in the tip > before you sign.Â* It is *above* the tax amount so you're tipping on the > meal, not on the taxed total.Â* I guess he hasn't looked at a guest check > lately. I was talking about paying the bill by debit card and using the option to tip by percentage. If you use that, the percentage is based on the total that was entered into the machine, which would include the tax. That means that you are paying that percentage on the tax as well as the food and drink. You can avoid that by calculating the amount of the tip and entering that amount. |
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On 12/9/2018 9:30 AM, GM wrote:
>>> >>> My brother is in the southern baptist cult, and there is no way to >>> rescue him ... EVER. I wish I could. >>> >> My B-I-L's brother became a JW. Could that be worse? > > > The House of Our Lord is welcoming to *all*, graham...even non - believers such as yourself... > What is also nice, they will accept donations from everyone when the basket is passed. No discrimination. |
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On 12/9/2018 10:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > That hourly pay varies a lot.Â* While it is a measly $2.13 in VA, it is > $12.20 and hour here in Ontario. If restaurants have to raise their > prices to cover the higher wage, the diner is already paying more. Then > we are expected to pay another 15% or more on that already inflated price. > > > But do people tip the same knowing the server is getting a better wage? |
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On 2018-12-09 11:12 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 9:30 AM, GM wrote: > >>>> >>>> My brother is in the southern baptist cult, and there is no way to >>>> rescue him ... EVER. I wish I could. >>>> >>> My B-I-L's brother became a JW. Could that be worse? >> >> >> The House of Our Lord is welcoming to *all*, graham...even non - >> believers such as yourself... >> > > What is also nice, they will accept donations from everyone when the > basket is passed. No discrimination. Some people get a little too carried away with religion. I once worked with a guy who had a bad case of it. He was ordained in at least a half dozen different churches, some of which you could send away for the papers. I was head of the social committee in the shop and when I went around soliciting donations are Christmas he was the only person who never gave a penny. However, when we organized the Christmas Eve luncheon and other events he was always insisting on being the one to say grace, which ended up more as a sermon. |
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On 2018-12-09 11:15 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 10:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote: > > >> >> That hourly pay varies a lot.Â* While it is a measly $2.13 in VA, it is >> $12.20 and hour here in Ontario. If restaurants have to raise their >> prices to cover the higher wage, the diner is already paying more. >> Then we are expected to pay another 15% or more on that already >> inflated price. >> >> >> > But do people tip the same knowing the server is getting a better wage? Most likely. The standard around here seems to be 15-20%, just like the places were the minimum is 1/5th as much. |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith >> > wrote: >> >> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it >> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about >> >the service? >> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the >> >tipping culture. >> >> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay >> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to >> live off. > >Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job. That's no comparison. I bet you get a decent base salary. |
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On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 09:30:10 -0400, wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 04:37:41 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > >>On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 9:06:19 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: >>> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 21:02:28 -0500, Dave Smith >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >On 2018-12-08 8:47 p.m., wrote: >>> >> On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 18:23:21 -0500, Dave Smith >>> > >>> >>> There may not be a guarantee that they server would get, but you want to >>> >>> be able to hold the purse strings like you would the strings of a puppet >>> >>> to make sure they dance to your tune to get their tip. You want to be >>> >>> able to withhold the tip and deny them a good wage if your server gets >>> >>> stuck with a table of 15 that leads to the kitchen and wait staff having >>> >>> to deal with their orders. >>> >>> >>> >> Er no. I go for a meal and if the server is pleasant, does not >>> >> continually hover over me, but smiles and is just - nice - then I >>> >> leave a nice tip. If they are hung over, or sharp, or crash the >>> >> plates down in front of me, then I do not leave any tip. >>> >> >>> > >>> >Knowing that they are making minimum wage and expected to make it up it >>> >tips, you stiff them on the tip if you is something displeases you about >>> >the service? >>> >This is an example of the sort of thing that makes me question the >>> >tipping culture. >>> >>> It's interesting that Lucretia has the right-wing view he Underpay >>> them and only if they please people enough, will they make enough to >>> live off. >> >>Every job is like that. If I don't please my employer, I'm out of a job. >> >>Cindy Hamilton > >He tries to make it sound as if I want them to be ingratiating which >is far from true. At my local pub which is my lunchtime favourite >because of the excellent fish and chips and also the chowder, I pretty >much know all the girls now, it's not about me but them, how their >studies are going, whether they have exams coming in the next few >weeks etc. I see nothing wrong with friendliness and a big smile. You're changing the subject. |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 09:44:25 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 12/8/2018 6:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2018-12-08 6:12 PM, wrote: >>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 4:46:16 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> >>>> I remain perplexed by the attitudes that I see being expressed here. >>>> People feel obliged to leave a tip that is based on a percentage of the >>>> cost of their meal and drinks, some claiming to tip 30% or more, but >>>> reject the suggestion that the price of service being included in the >>>> meal. They prefer to pay a percentage of their bill as a voluntary >>>> gratuity to having a smaller amount added to the menu price. >>>> >>> I don't like the tip automatically to the bill.* The waitstaff know they >>> will receive a tip whether they are an attentive waiter or one who dis- >>> appears after the food has been delivered. >> >> I have had excellent service in non tipping countries, and I did not at >> all miss the tip soliciting behaviour. >> >I can't say I've ever experienced "tip soliciting behaviour". What does >that even mean? Cleavage. |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 06:59:27 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote: >"dsi1" > wrote in message news:ddd123cf-9e39-4f67-9067- >> Tis the season for anger and resentment. Oh wait, you heathens don't >> believe in peace and goodwill towards men or even good and evil - it's all >> just "things." > >======= > >I believe in it, that's why my posts are at a minimum these past several >days. LOL Since this is the season to be friendly and you have trouble posting in a friendly way, you don't say much this month. Did I summarize that correctly? |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 8:52 AM, graham wrote: > > On 2018-12-08 5:33 p.m., Hank Rogers wrote: > >> graham wrote: > > >> My brother is in the southern baptist cult, and there is no way to > >> rescue him ... EVER. I wish I could. > >> > > My B-I-L's brother became a JW. Could that be worse? > > I caught some of Leah Remini's expose on JH, wow I had no idea! > > The same shunning if you leave or do something wrong like, say, > go to college (or send your kids) ... it's a horror show. I was > not into church but thank goodness my parent's religion isn't like > some of them. A pal was raised a Pentacostalist (sp?) - same kinda deal, and boy, NO FUN allowed, e.g. movies, music, dancing, etc....SHEESH...!!! When she came out as *** her parents tried to have her committed (this was in the 60's), but she avoided that by running away...she has had a fine life since, but that upbringing was really toxic... -- Best Greg |
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Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message news:ddd123cf-9e39-4f67-9067- > > Tis the season for anger and resentment. Oh wait, you heathens don't > > believe in peace and goodwill towards men or even good and evil - it's all > > just "things." > > ======= > > I believe in it, that's why my posts are at a minimum these past several > days. LOL Good on ya, luv...!!! ;-) -- Best Greg |
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dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 7:40:35 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 03:26:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton > > > wrote: > > > > >On Friday, December 7, 2018 at 1:18:18 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote: > > > > > >> Do I understand correctly that, for a Google Grouper, it's not as > > >> clear that there's a huge wall of text above this post? > > > > > >Maybe. I can see it and readily delete it on my desktop browser. If > > >dsi1 is using a mobile device, perhaps not. Although I think someone > > >else here uses google groups on a mobile device occasionally, and that > > >interface doesn't automatically quote at all, leaving us to wonder what > > >the heck the context was. > > > > On the one hand, GG seems to be made for the clueless user. But if you > > want to use it well, you actually have to think a bit more than with a > > normal news reader. See for instance the diarrhea posts of dsi1 and > > Greg Someting (GM). > > Tis the season for anger and resentment. Oh wait, you heathens don't believe in peace and goodwill towards men or even good and evil - it's all just "things." AND Brucie is such a big HELPLESS and USELESS --->>> ___PUSSY___ <<<--- that he can't even adjust his line wrap on his newsreader so as to properly read posts...no matter whether Goog or not...he is fact still clinging FEARFULLY behind his harried mum's skirts, so afraid is he of being a REAL man... <chuckle> -- Best Greg |
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 09:39:29 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote: >dsi1 wrote: > >> On Saturday, December 8, 2018 at 7:40:35 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote: >> > >> > On the one hand, GG seems to be made for the clueless user. But if you >> > want to use it well, you actually have to think a bit more than with a >> > normal news reader. See for instance the diarrhea posts of dsi1 and >> > Greg Someting (GM). >> >> Tis the season for anger and resentment. Oh wait, you heathens don't believe in peace and goodwill towards men or even good and evil - it's all just "things." > > >AND Brucie is such a big HELPLESS and USELESS --->>> ___PUSSY___ <<<--- that he can't even adjust his line wrap on his newsreader so as to properly read posts...no matter whether Goog or not...he is fact still clinging FEARFULLY behind his harried mum's skirts, so afraid is he of being a REAL man... You're an adult, aren't you? That's funny  |
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On 12/9/2018 10:51 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-12-09 9:44 AM, jmcquown wrote: >> On 12/8/2018 6:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote: > >>>> I don't like the tip automatically to the bill.Â* The waitstaff know >>>> they >>>> will receive a tip whether they are an attentive waiter or one who dis- >>>> appears after the food has been delivered. >>> >>> I have had excellent service in non tipping countries, and I did not >>> at all miss the tip soliciting behaviour. >>> >> I can't say I've ever experienced "tip soliciting behaviour".Â* What >> does that even mean?Â* Being obsequious?Â* Nope, I can't say I've >> encountered that. > > > Are you kidding.Â* It is no secret. Psychology today even wrote an > article about it. Uh... I don't actually care what Psychology Today has to say about it. I'm basing this on my own experience. > They noted that women who wear something in their hair > get more tips from men and women than those who do not. So... I'm supposed to think because someone wears a barrette or a flower ornament in their hair they're schemeing to get more tips? How about they're just keeping it pinned up out of the way? > Waitress who > gently touch their customers on the shoulder, arm or hand get larger > tips. The customers who are touched tend to buy more drinks, offering > more opportunities for tips. I've never ever had a server touch me. > Introducing themselves by name gets bigger > tips. That's company policy. They usually wear name tags, too. > They suggest setting up reciprocity.Â* They do things like writing > a little note on the bill. I've never gotten little notes on my restaurant bills. Even if I did it wouldn't induce me to tip more. > If the food is late they tell you the chef > didn't think it was up to his standards so he did it over again. They > have done you a favour....so pay up.Â* They repeat the orders, leading to > a sense of sameness, which will prompt you to tip more.Â* At the bottom > of their list is offering good service. > Apparently we have dined in very different places. Jill |
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On 12/9/2018 11:15 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 10:13 AM, Dave Smith wrote: > > >> >> That hourly pay varies a lot.Â* While it is a measly $2.13 in VA, it is >> $12.20 and hour here in Ontario. If restaurants have to raise their >> prices to cover the higher wage, the diner is already paying more. >> Then we are expected to pay another 15% or more on that already >> inflated price. >> >> >> > But do people tip the same knowing the server is getting a better wage? They probably think oh, they're getting $12 an hour. No need to tip them. BTW, the tipped wage for those who serve alcohol (no idea why they get less than those who serve food or if that means they also serve food) in Ontario is set to increase in January. The base wage still hasn't changed in the US in many states. But the restaurant owners are expected to make up the difference if they don't earn that much in tips. Jill |
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On 2018-12-09 12:49 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 10:51 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >>> I can't say I've ever experienced "tip soliciting behaviour".Â* What >>> does that even mean?Â* Being obsequious?Â* Nope, I can't say I've >>> encountered that. >> >> >> Are you kidding.Â* It is no secret. Psychology today even wrote an >> article about it. > > Uh... I don't actually care what Psychology Today has to say about it. > I'm basing this on my own experience. It is a reputable periodical and there was research that led them to these findings. > >> They noted that women who wear something in their hair get more tips >> from men and women than those who do not. > > So... I'm supposed to think because someone wears a barrette or a flower > ornament in their hair they're schemeing to get more tips?Â* How about > they're just keeping it pinned up out of the way? Hell no. You aren't supposed to think that. It would give away the tricks of the trade. > >> Waitress who gently touch their customers on the shoulder, arm or hand >> get larger tips. The customers who are touched tend to buy more >> drinks, offering more opportunities for tips. > > I've never ever had a server touch me. You haven't. I sure have. > >> Introducing themselves by name gets bigger tips. > > That's company policy.Â* They usually wear name tags, too. Yes, and it gives them some sort of relationship with the customer ..... so they will be more likely to tip more. > >> They suggest setting up reciprocity.Â* They do things like writing a >> little note on the bill. > > I've never gotten little notes on my restaurant bills.Â* Even if I did it > wouldn't induce me to tip more. Really????? You never got a bill with a hand written Thanks or Have A Nice Day with the server's name and a happy face???? I have to go by my experience, because I have seen it a lot. Psychology Today is not the only source on tips for getting tips. There are lots of them. Even Forbes has suggestions that include wearing make up, standing close to customers, touching customers, squatting at the table, smiling, complimenting their food selections,writing Thank You on the cheques and drawing little pictures. https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurash.../#2c6d7bc7d02b > >> If the food is late they tell you the chef didn't think it was up to >> his standards so he did it over again. They have done you a >> favour....so pay up.Â* They repeat the orders, leading to a sense of >> sameness, which will prompt you to tip more.Â* At the bottom of their >> list is offering good service. >> > Apparently we have dined in very different places. It would seem more like different worlds When I get the routine about the product not being good enough I assume it is BS. If I get the story about the fish not being fresh enough for the chef's standards I automatically translate that to them having got a deal on it because it was old and it had got so bad they can't even try to foist it on a diner. |
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On 12/9/2018 12:49 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 10:51 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >> Waitress who gently touch their customers on the shoulder, arm or hand >> get larger tips. The customers who are touched tend to buy more >> drinks, offering more opportunities for tips. > > I've never ever had a server touch me. > Nor have I. It wouldn't make me give a big tip - quite the opposite! I don't want strangers touching me. |
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"S Viemeister" wrote in message ... On 12/9/2018 12:49 PM, jmcquown wrote: > On 12/9/2018 10:51 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >> Waitress who gently touch their customers on the shoulder, arm or hand >> get larger tips. The customers who are touched tend to buy more >> drinks, offering more opportunities for tips. > > I've never ever had a server touch me. > Nor have I. It wouldn't make me give a big tip - quite the opposite! I don't want strangers touching me. == Too damned right!!! |
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On 2018-12-09 7:30 a.m., GM wrote:
> graham wrote: > >> On 2018-12-08 5:33 p.m., Hank Rogers wrote: >>> graham wrote: >> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it hadn't been for white people interfering, their lives would have >>>>>>> been far better.Â* Those natives who killed the missionary recently >>>>>>> have really shown great intelligence >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just because they were happy for the past 2000 years, just think how >>>>>> much happier they would be having a white man tell them about Jesus. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope the government just leaves his body there and does not mess up >>>>>> any more than what that idiot did.Â* Tough on the parents they raised a >>>>>> fool. >>>>> >>>>> He clearly had Jesus Complex. He kept walking into the arrows as if he >>>>> thought God would protect him. >>>>> >>>> ..and, of course, God is a delusion! >>> >>> It may be a delusion to you, or to me. It is a very real thing to the >>> followers, and you can't get them off the jeasus brainwash. >>> >>> My brother is in the southern baptist cult, and there is no way to >>> rescue him ... EVER. I wish I could. >>> >> My B-I-L's brother became a JW. Could that be worse? > > > The House of Our Lord is welcoming to *all*, graham...even non - believers such as yourself... > Well, Greg, I prefer to live in the real world. |
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On 2018-12-09 12:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/9/2018 11:15 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> But do people tip the same knowing the server is getting a better wage? > > They probably think oh, they're getting $12 an hour.Â* No need to tip > them.Â* BTW, the tipped wage for those who serve alcohol (no idea why > they get less than those who serve food or if that means they also serve > food) in Ontario is set to increase in January. The reason that those serving alcohol is less is that they are expected to get tips and tips on alcohol sales tend to be a lot higher than they are on food. I guess drinkers are under the impression that they have to give a good tip or the server won't be coming around when they want a fresh drink, or that they might get cut off sooner if they don't tip. BTW..... that January increase may not happen. The previous Liberal government had arranged to increase the minimum wage in two steps. They had already raised it over a dollar per hour and it would have been too onerous on employers to absorb that in a short period. As it turned out, a lot of part time and minimum wage jobs disappeared because employers could not afford it. Then there was the politics. They knew that the Conservatives were opposed to that big a hike. Workers were made aware of the Conservatives plan to cancel that second stage so they had better vote Liberal if they wanted that raise. It didn't work. The Liberals were trounced in the election. They now call them the Minivan Party because they only won 7 seats. They lost official party status. The raise has been postponed by almost three years. > > The base wage still hasn't changed in the US in many states.Â* But the > restaurant owners are expected to make up the difference if they don't > earn that much in tips. > |
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On 12/9/2018 12:49 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> They suggest setting up reciprocity.Â* They do things like writing a >> little note on the bill. > > I've never gotten little notes on my restaurant bills.Â* Even if I did it > wouldn't induce me to tip more. > I've gotten a hand written "thank you" or a smiley face a couple of times. Would not induce me to add an extra 20% buy if you feel good about the service aI may round up a little more. |
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