On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 10:33:41 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:09:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>>>>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>>>>> can still understand the science.
>>>>
>>>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.* A lot of
>>>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to
>>>> drink booze.
>>>
>>> And you know this how?
>>
>>
>>Years of personal research. I am not saying that pot is exceptionally
>>good for you, but there is no doubt that alcohol as a wide range of
>>medical, physical, and psychological side effects.
>>
>>Alcohol has been shown to be a factor in 31% if fatal crashes. That
>>sounds pretty bad. The stats just say that alcohol was involved and does
>>not mean that the person who caused the accident was intoxicated or that
>>they were even at fault. They also show that 69% of the accidents did
>>not involve alcohol. The statistics game is not an easy one because
>>there are so many other factors. While there appears to be fewer
>>drinking drivers these days there have also been incredible improvements
>>on vehicle and highway design to reduce fatalities.
>>
>check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of highway
>accidents since pot was available.

It may become interesting, but it only became legal yesterday.

On 2018-10-18 2:00 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:11:13 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-10-18 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-18 10:29 AM, graham wrote:
>>>> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-10-18 9:26 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>>> Those weed smokers should find out what it does to their brains.
>>>>>> They should think twice before smoking that first joint....while they
>>>>>> can still understand the science.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.Â* A lot of
>>>>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than
>>>>> to drink booze.
>>>>
>>>> And you know this how?
>>>
>>>
>>> Years of personal research.
>>
>> So anecdotal!
>
> Nah! If Dave says it, it's fact, to him anyway
>
At least I don't invent shit like you do. How's your octogenarian
soccer league doing these days?

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 13:37:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-18 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:09:20 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> Alcohol has been shown to be a factor in 31% if fatal crashes. That
>>> sounds pretty bad. The stats just say that alcohol was involved and does
>>> not mean that the person who caused the accident was intoxicated or that
>>> they were even at fault. They also show that 69% of the accidents did
>>> not involve alcohol. The statistics game is not an easy one because
>>> there are so many other factors. While there appears to be fewer
>>> drinking drivers these days there have also been incredible improvements
>>> on vehicle and highway design to reduce fatalities.
>>>
>> check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of highway
>> accidents since pot was available.
>
>What highway stats? Pot has been available for a long time. People
>around here were are concerned that legalization would lead to people
>driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I smell it coming
>from cars at almost every intersection. I can't imagine there could be
>an increase.
>
>

yeah, I made it up. It didn't warrant a news article

On 2018-10-18 2:52 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 13:37:36 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>> check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of highway
>>> accidents since pot was available.
>>
>> What highway stats? Pot has been available for a long time. People
>> around here were are concerned that legalization would lead to people
>> driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I smell it coming
>>from cars at almost every intersection. I can't imagine there could be
>> an increase.
>>
>>
>
> yeah, I made it up. It didn't warrant a news article


You told me to check today's highway stats for Canada and said they kept
track of highway accidents since pot became available. I presumed that
you had a specific site in mind.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 08:26:14 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-10-18 5:10 AM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 20:05:41 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2018-10-17 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's not like everyone here is thrilled about it. Despite decades of
>>>> research on pot use,
>>>
>>> There has been little valid research as the stuff has been illegal. Many
>>> or the "benefits" are anecdotal and the dangers come from observations
>>> in the medical community that will now be able to be tested properly.
>>
>> It's the fringe aspects that scare me a bit - tasty edibles made at
>> home can easily fall into the hands of little kids and pets with
>> disastrous results. Also the driving while under the influence, I
>> hear a mouth swab test is starting to look successful.
>>
>> Otherwise - I see little difference between booze and pot. One is
>> either a responsible user, or not.
>>
>What made me cynical early on was that a lot of the people claiming to
>need it for their medical condition were "potheads" anyway. It appeared
>to be an excuse to get a cheaper supply.

Wouldn't you use an excuse to get your wine cheaper?

On 10/18/2018 8:08 AM, wrote:

> Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
> Colorado?

CO hasn't even "perfected" a method of dealing with drunk drivers. I
recently (five yrs ago) read (Denver Post) of a lady who had KILLLED 3
ppl and she had yet to be jailed fer longer than a month. Apparently,
booze gets a pass.

Cannabis, nada. Too much revenue coming in.

nb

On 10/18/2018 8:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Apparently they are a
> dead giveaway because they drive so much slower than the rest of the
> traffic.

Pshaw! I learned to drive on cannabis years ago.

That's not to say it's "a cake walk". Tried a new strain, about 2 yrs
ago, that had me "white-knuckling it" while driving to the store. I was
"white-knuckling" it cuz I was trying to maintain the speed limit (among
other things).

It didn't happen the next time.

nb

On 10/18/2018 8:29 AM, graham wrote:

> On 2018-10-18 8:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> It is a lot less harmful to human brains than alcohol.Â* A lot of
>> people looking for a buzz would be better off to smoke a joint than to
>> drink booze.

> And you know this how?

Prolly cuz he has "friends". Friends who have tried both and can
testify to his point of view (which is correct).

nb

On 10/18/2018 11:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I smell it coming
> from cars at almost every intersection.

We usta pass joints from motorcyclist to to a car passenger while
traveling down the road ....in the 70s!

You ppl know spit!

nb

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:20:09 -0600, notbob > wrote:

>On 10/18/2018 8:08 AM, wrote:
>
>> Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
>> Colorado?
>
>CO hasn't even "perfected" a method of dealing with drunk drivers. I
>recently (five yrs ago) read (Denver Post) of a lady who had KILLLED 3
>ppl and she had yet to be jailed fer longer than a month. Apparently,
>booze gets a pass.
>
>Cannabis, nada. Too much revenue coming in.
>
>nb

That is terrible - 3 people and still running around I was
reading they were coming up with a mouth swab test, presumably the
swab would change colour or something if cannabis was present.

On 10/18/2018 12:02 PM, wrote:

> It may become interesting, but it only became legal yesterday.

Should have never been illegal.

nb

On 2018-10-18 4:20 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 8:08 AM, wrote:
>
>> Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
>> Colorado?
>
> CO hasn't even "perfected" a method of dealing with drunk drivers.Â* I
> recently (five yrs ago) read (Denver Post) of a lady who had KILLLED 3
> ppl and she had yet to be jailed fer longer than a month.Â* Apparently,
> booze gets a pass.


That's another of my pet peeves about drinking and driving punishment.
They are sometimes harder on people who blow over the limit than they
are on those who cause accidents and fatalities. There was a case up
here of a serial drunk driver. He had been convicted for blowing over
the limit more than a dozen times, so he got a couple years in jail. He
had not crashed and had not killed or hurt anyone, just drove over the
limit.

Around the same time there was a local woman who crashed her car,
killing her friend. She got 6 months of house arrest. WTF? We have laws
about BAC because we want to prevent worst case scenarios, and this was
one of those worst case scenarios.



>
> Cannabis, nada.Â* Too much revenue coming in.Â*
>
> nb

On 2018-10-18 4:44 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:20:09 -0600, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 10/18/2018 8:08 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
>>> Colorado?
>>
>> CO hasn't even "perfected" a method of dealing with drunk drivers. I
>> recently (five yrs ago) read (Denver Post) of a lady who had KILLLED 3
>> ppl and she had yet to be jailed fer longer than a month. Apparently,
>> booze gets a pass.
>>
>> Cannabis, nada. Too much revenue coming in.
>>
>> nb
>
> That is terrible - 3 people and still running around I was
> reading they were coming up with a mouth swab test, presumably the
> swab would change colour or something if cannabis was present.
>


Traces of the drug stay in your body for a long time. You can test
positive and not be impaired.

On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:02:31 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-18 4:20 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 8:08 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> Have they perfected a good method for catching stoned drivers in
>>> Colorado?
>>
>> CO hasn't even "perfected" a method of dealing with drunk drivers.* I
>> recently (five yrs ago) read (Denver Post) of a lady who had KILLLED 3
>> ppl and she had yet to be jailed fer longer than a month.* Apparently,
>> booze gets a pass.
>
>
>That's another of my pet peeves

Oh no, not another one!

> > check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of highway
> > accidents since pot was available.
>
> What highway stats? Pot has been available for a long time. People
> around here were are concerned that legalization would lead to people
> driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I smell it coming
> from cars at almost every intersection. I can't imagine there could be
> an increase.

I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull over the car reeks of pot smoke.

On 2018-10-18 5:29 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>
>>> check today's highway stats for Canada. They kept track of
>>> highway accidents since pot was available.
>>
>> What highway stats? Pot has been available for a long time.
>> People around here were are concerned that legalization would lead
>> to people driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I
>> smell it coming from cars at almost every intersection. I can't
>> imagine there could be an increase.
>
> I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull
> over the car reeks of pot smoke.

Gotta love those reality shows. If the cars were pulled over I guess
they were not involved in crashes.

> > I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull
> > over the car reeks of pot smoke.
>
> Gotta love those reality shows. If the cars were pulled over I guess
> they were not involved in crashes.

The really stoned drivers drive just about as bad as the really drunk drivers and should be prosecuted just the same as drunk drivers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfKHR1ofGs&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjwb2KIIGyg

On 10/18/2018 6:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-18 5:29 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>
>>>> check today's highway stats for Canada.Â* They kept track of
>>>> highway accidents since pot was available.
>>>
>>> What highway stats?Â* Pot has been available for a long time.
>>> People around here were are concerned that legalization would lead
>>> to people driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I
>>> smell it coming from cars at almost every intersection. I can't
>>> imagine there could be an increase.
>>
>> I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull
>> over the car reeks of pot smoke.
>
> Gotta love those reality shows. If the cars were pulled over I guess
> they were not involved in crashes.
>
>
>
Most are just ticketed for possession. Once in a while they get a big
one with a few pounds.

On 10/18/2018 3:42 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 11:37 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I smell it coming
>> from cars at almost every intersection.
>
> We usta pass joints from motorcyclist to to a car passenger while
> traveling down the road ....in the 70s!
>
> You ppl know spit!
>
> nb

Â* Bike to bike , Muddy (RIP) and I haulin' ass down the back roads .
Wine bottles too ...

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 2:14:36 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 6:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2018-10-18 5:29 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
> >>
> >>>> check today's highway stats for Canada.Â* They kept track of
> >>>> highway accidents since pot was available.
> >>>
> >>> What highway stats?Â* Pot has been available for a long time.
> >>> People around here were are concerned that legalization would lead
> >>> to people driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I
> >>> smell it coming from cars at almost every intersection. I can't
> >>> imagine there could be an increase.
> >>
> >> I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull
> >> over the car reeks of pot smoke.
> >
> > Gotta love those reality shows. If the cars were pulled over I guess
> > they were not involved in crashes.
> >
> >
> >
> Most are just ticketed for possession. Once in a while they get a big
> one with a few pounds.

My wife's brother graduated from high school in prison on account of weed. She says it broke her dad's heart.

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 10:27:45 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> graham wrote:
> >
> > What made me cynical early on was that a lot of the people claiming to
> > need it for their medical condition were "potheads" anyway. It appeared
> > to be an excuse to get a cheaper supply.
>
> I tend to agree with you. Potheads claim miracle drug and cures
> everything.

Nope, but it TREATS many ailments well!

Cannabis was made ILLEGAL under FALSE PREMISES!

Google Harry J. Anslinger and see WHY!!

John Kuthe...

On 10/18/2018 6:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>
>>> I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull
>>> over the car reeks of pot smoke.
>>
>> Gotta love those reality shows. If the cars were pulled over I guess
>> they were not involved in crashes.
>
> The really stoned drivers drive just about as bad as the really drunk drivers and should be prosecuted just the same as drunk drivers:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfKHR1ofGs&t
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjwb2KIIGyg

DWI laws cover more than just drinking.

I don't know how cops do it, 95% of the time it seems they're
dealing with impaired people or mentally ill people.

nancy

On 10/18/2018 3:02 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> That's another of my pet peeves about drinking and driving punishment.

Yeah, I've got enough of my own.

Notice how the fines keep getting stiffer/higher and yet pols keep
making it easier to get booze?

CA did NOT stop me from drinking/driving, but CO did. Wanna guess why?

CA returns yer drivers license in one year. CO returns yer driver
license in 30 days .....BUT, CO requires you call in, every morning, to
see if you are required, by law, to pee in a cup on that particular day.
That goes on fer one year! I hadda take an acquaintance down to be
tested fer part of that 30 days. I have not drank/drove, since.

nb

On 10/18/2018 11:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 2:14:36 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 6:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-18 5:29 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> check today's highway stats for Canada.Â* They kept track of
>>>>>> highway accidents since pot was available.
>>>>>
>>>>> What highway stats?Â* Pot has been available for a long time.
>>>>> People around here were are concerned that legalization would lead
>>>>> to people driving stoned. Being a bicyclist and motorcyclist I
>>>>> smell it coming from cars at almost every intersection. I can't
>>>>> imagine there could be an increase.
>>>>
>>>> I watch Live PD every weekend and every other car the police pull
>>>> over the car reeks of pot smoke.
>>>
>>> Gotta love those reality shows. If the cars were pulled over I guess
>>> they were not involved in crashes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Most are just ticketed for possession. Once in a while they get a big
>> one with a few pounds.
>
> My wife's brother graduated from high school in prison on account of weed. She says it broke her dad's heart.
>
Many people were given harsh sentences for minor drug infractions. It
was thought to be a deterrent but did nothing. Plenty of drugs
available in some prisons too.

Small amounts of weed now often result in a ticket and court appearance.

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 4:42:31 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>
>
> We usta pass joints from motorcyclist to to a car passenger while
> traveling down the road ....in the 70s!
>
Passing to total strangers. You new who was 'cool' without ever meeting.

On 2018-10-19 10:51 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 6:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:

> DWI laws cover more than just drinking.
>
> I don't know how cops do it, 95% of the time it seems they're
> dealing with impaired people or mentally ill people.


I don't think it is that high, but they do run into a lot of them. The
sad thing for the mentally ill is that their behaviour sometimes gets
them into trouble with the police and that the interactions sometimes
turn fatal. Then everybody dumps on the police for not being well enough
trained to deal with mental health issues. Well, they are cops, not
mental health workers. The victims family, friends, social workers and
mental health workers failed them before the police did.

On 2018-10-19 11:24 AM, Thomas wrote:
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 4:42:31 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>
>>
>> We usta pass joints from motorcyclist to to a car passenger while
>> traveling down the road ....in the 70s!
>>
> Passing to total strangers. You new who was 'cool' without ever meeting.
>

A couple years ago I was walking to the bus station to pick up my son
and a couple slackers asked me if I wanted to smoke some pot? I just
looked at them and said "Are you ****ing nuts? You are right across the
street from the police station". Oh well, they just thought I might
like a toke. No thanks. A couple minutes later I saw a cop car down the
street with a dog. I was surprised the dog didn't smell the pot.

My son's bus arrived a few minutes later. I was telling him about the
offer and the dog arriving, and as we turned around the next corner we
saw the guy who had made the offer with his hands on the wall as the
cops frisked him, dog sitting there looking happy with himself.

On 10/19/2018 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-19 10:51 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 10/18/2018 6:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>
>> DWI laws cover more than just drinking.
>>
>> I don't know how cops do it, 95% of the time it seems they're
>> dealing with impaired people or mentally ill people.
>
>
> I don't think it is that high, but they do run into a lot of them. The
> sad thing for the mentally ill is that their behaviour sometimes gets
> them into trouble with the police and that the interactions sometimes
> turn fatal.

By impaired I meant drugs or alcohol, so between the two categories, it
seems like the overwhelming percentage of the people they come across.

> Then everybody dumps on the police for not being well enough
> trained to deal with mental health issues.Â* Well, they are cops, not
> mental health workers.Â* The victims family, friends, social workers and
> mental health workers failed them before the police did.

I don't know how much you can do about the mentally ill, you can't
just lock them up or force feed them medication.

nancy

On 10/19/2018 11:58 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-10-19 10:51 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 10/18/2018 6:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>
>>> DWI laws cover more than just drinking.
>>>
>>> I don't know how cops do it, 95% of the time it seems they're
>>> dealing with impaired people or mentally ill people.
>>
>>
>> I don't think it is that high, but they do run into a lot of them. The
>> sad thing for the mentally ill is that their behaviour sometimes gets
>> them into trouble with the police and that the interactions sometimes
>> turn fatal.
>
> By impaired I meant drugs or alcohol, so between the two categories, it
> seems like the overwhelming percentage of the people they come across.
>
>> Then everybody dumps on the police for not being well enough trained
>> to deal with mental health issues.Â* Well, they are cops, not mental
>> health workers.Â* The victims family, friends, social workers and
>> mental health workers failed them before the police did.
>
> I don't know how much you can do about the mentally ill, you can't
> just lock them up or force feed them medication.
>
> nancy

They did years ago. Not sure of the time period but around 1980 they
were really closing down the mental hospitals. I'm not sure if it was
more harsh locking them up or making them homeless. Sad situation
either way. Mental illness is not looked upon kindly in our society.

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:39:24 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-10-19 11:24 AM, Thomas wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 4:42:31 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We usta pass joints from motorcyclist to to a car passenger while
>>> traveling down the road ....in the 70s!
>>>
>> Passing to total strangers. You new who was 'cool' without ever meeting.
>>
>
>A couple years ago I was walking to the bus station to pick up my son
>and a couple slackers asked me if I wanted to smoke some pot? I just
>looked at them and said "Are you ****ing nuts? You are right across the
>street from the police station". Oh well, they just thought I might
>like a toke. No thanks. A couple minutes later I saw a cop car down the
>street with a dog. I was surprised the dog didn't smell the pot.
>
>My son's bus arrived a few minutes later. I was telling him about the
>offer and the dog arriving, and as we turned around the next corner we
>saw the guy who had made the offer with his hands on the wall as the
>cops frisked him, dog sitting there looking happy with himself.

Happier than you?

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:00:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 10/19/2018 11:58 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 10/19/2018 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-10-19 10:51 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/2018 6:55 PM, Michael OConnor wrote:
>>>
>>>> DWI laws cover more than just drinking.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how cops do it, 95% of the time it seems they're
>>>> dealing with impaired people or mentally ill people.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it is that high, but they do run into a lot of them. The
>>> sad thing for the mentally ill is that their behaviour sometimes gets
>>> them into trouble with the police and that the interactions sometimes
>>> turn fatal.
>>
>> By impaired I meant drugs or alcohol, so between the two categories, it
>> seems like the overwhelming percentage of the people they come across.
>>
>>> Then everybody dumps on the police for not being well enough trained
>>> to deal with mental health issues.* Well, they are cops, not mental
>>> health workers.* The victims family, friends, social workers and
>>> mental health workers failed them before the police did.
>>
>> I don't know how much you can do about the mentally ill, you can't
>> just lock them up or force feed them medication.
>>
>> nancy
>
>They did years ago. Not sure of the time period but around 1980 they
>were really closing down the mental hospitals. I'm not sure if it was
>more harsh locking them up or making them homeless. Sad situation
>either way. Mental illness is not looked upon kindly in our society.

I agree with you, on balance it was probably slightly better for them
when the institutions were there. There is a youngish man, about 35 I
would think, that I know lives in the woods near here year in and year
out. He can't be taking his meds because he strides along with arms
crossed talking away to himself. Very sad.

On 10/18/2018 4:45 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 12:02 PM, wrote:
>
>> It may become interesting, but it only became legal yesterday.
>
> Should have never been illegal.Â*
>
> nb
>
>
Whenever I read or hear debates about legalizing marijuana I think of
'Reefer Madness'.

[Per Wikipedia]: "A 1936 American propaganda film revolving around the
melodramatic events that ensue when high school students are lured by
pushers to try marijuana €” from a hit and run accident, to manslaughter,
suicide, attempted rape, hallucinations, and descent into madness due to
marijuana addiction."

It's a pretty damn funny film!

Jill

On 10/19/2018 1:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 11:58 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I don't know how much you can do about the mentally ill, you can't
>> just lock them up or force feed them medication.

> They did years ago.Â* Not sure of the time period but around 1980 they
> were really closing down the mental hospitals.Â* I'm not sure if it was
> more harsh locking them up or making them homeless.Â* Sad situation
> either way.Â* Mental illness is not looked upon kindly in our society.

Those mental institutions were not nice, but people were locked
up out of sight. Just to let people out without a plan, that doesn't
seem right, either. Not everyone has a family that could take them
back in, or that they care to live at home or even in group homes.

It's not a subject with an easy solution.

nancy

On 10/17/2018 10:05 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 10/17/2018 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> .....Despite decades of research on pot use....
> There has NOT been "decades of research" cuz it's been illegal.

LOL, You think?





Well,
> at least in Canada and the USA.
>
> Heh heh..... I smoked weed illegally, every day, fer 20 yrs.Â* No
> problem.Â* I then quit fer 15 yrs.Â* Moved to COÂ* --who legalized it and I
> started smoking it, again ...."HEY, IT'S LEGAL, PPL!-- and now I don't
> even get high, anymore!Â*
>
> nb

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:05:44 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> On 10/17/2018 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > .....Despite decades of
> > research on pot use....
> There has NOT been "decades of research" cuz it's been illegal. Well,
> at least in Canada and the USA.

<dry>
You may be interested to learn that research is conducted outside of
North America. Nobel Prizes are occasionally granted to such scientists.
</dry>

Cindy Hamilton

On 2018-10-19 1:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/19/2018 11:58 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 10/19/2018 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Then everybody dumps on the police for not being well enough trained
>>> to deal with mental health issues.Â* Well, they are cops, not mental
>>> health workers.Â* The victims family, friends, social workers and
>>> mental health workers failed them before the police did.
>>
>> I don't know how much you can do about the mentally ill, you can't
>> just lock them up or force feed them medication.
>>
>> nancy
>
> They did years ago.Â* Not sure of the time period but around 1980 they
> were really closing down the mental hospitals.Â* I'm not sure if it was
> more harsh locking them up or making them homeless.Â* Sad situation
> either way.Â* Mental illness is not looked upon kindly in our society.

It was about that time when they did the same year. Many of the
clientele went from being patients to being homeless. It is hard enough
to get someone in a crisis to be hospitalized and they keep them for
only 72 hours. The city near us had two suicides off the same bridge
over 6 days. The first one was a 19 year old who had been in the
psychiatric wing of the local hospital under suicide watch. They
released him and he went directly from the hospital to the bridge and
jumped.

Of course there had to be a big investigation by the SIU because there
was a police officer present. He had been responding to a call about a
guy on the bridge and I guess things didn't work out as well as the arm
chair psychiatrists expected so they had to make sure the cop didn't do
the wrong thing. It ****es me off that they would put the cop through
that probe but no one is asking how a person on suicide watch can end up
dead a half hour after being released from the psych ward.

snotblob wrote:

> Do any of the above "Facts" have any relation to woodworking?

,,,and you have taken time from your insanely busy schedule to bitch
about this issue to ppl who don't give a ****.... why?

https://twitter.com/RealKyleMorris/s...57526398283776

On 10/19/2018 4:24 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:05:44 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>> On 10/17/2018 7:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> .....Despite decades of
>>> research on pot use....
>> There has NOT been "decades of research" cuz it's been illegal. Well,
>> at least in Canada and the USA.
>
> <dry>
> You may be interested to learn that research is conducted outside of
> North America. Nobel Prizes are occasionally granted to such scientists.
> </dry>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
The University of Mississippi (aka Ole Miss) has been growing pot for
the government for research purposes for decades. Easy enough to Google:

https://pharmacy.olemiss.edu/marijuana/

Medical uses researched at Ole Miss? Yep.

https://pharmacy.olemiss.edu/marijuana/cannabis-rd/W

Oh. They also have a potency monitoring program.

https://pharmacy.olemiss.edu/marijua...oring-program/

They alter it. So the "government pot" grown at Ole Miss isn't
necessarily as strong as something someone might grow at home.

From what I remember about it, it was pretty much impossible to break
into the fields where they grow the government weed.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-10-19 1:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 10/19/2018 11:58 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 10/19/2018 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Then everybody dumps on the police for not being well enough trained
>>>> to deal with mental health issues. Well, they are cops, not mental
>>>> health workers. The victims family, friends, social workers and
>>>> mental health workers failed them before the police did.
>>>
>>> I don't know how much you can do about the mentally ill, you can't
>>> just lock them up or force feed them medication.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> They did years ago. Not sure of the time period but around 1980 they
>> were really closing down the mental hospitals. I'm not sure if it was
>> more harsh locking them up or making them homeless. Sad situation
>> either way. Mental illness is not looked upon kindly in our society.
>
> It was about that time when they did the same year. Many of the
> clientele went from being patients to being homeless. It is hard enough
> to get someone in a crisis to be hospitalized and they keep them for
> only 72 hours. The city near us had two suicides off the same bridge
> over 6 days. The first one was a 19 year old who had been in the
> psychiatric wing of the local hospital under suicide watch. They
> released him and he went directly from the hospital to the bridge and
> jumped.
>
> Of course there had to be a big investigation by the SIU because there
> was a police officer present. He had been responding to a call about a
> guy on the bridge and I guess things didn't work out as well as the arm
> chair psychiatrists expected so they had to make sure the cop didn't do
> the wrong thing. It ****es me off that they would put the cop through
> that probe but no one is asking how a person on suicide watch can end up
> dead a half hour after being released from the psych ward.
>
>
Who first put them in the nuthouse and why? Surely not police, lawyers,
nor judges. Of course, these stalwart humanitarians would remain
committed to the person they had incarcerated, and never abandon them,
right?

To think it was all due to the evil weed marijuana ... makes me sad.

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 2:06:06 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 10/18/2018 4:45 PM, notbob wrote:
> > On 10/18/2018 12:02 PM, wrote:
> >
> >> It may become interesting, but it only became legal yesterday.
> >
> > Should have never been illegal.Â*
> >
> > nb
> >
> >
> Whenever I read or hear debates about legalizing marijuana I think of
> 'Reefer Madness'.
>
> [Per Wikipedia]: "A 1936 American propaganda film revolving around the
> melodramatic events that ensue when high school students are lured by
> pushers to try marijuana €” from a hit and run accident, to manslaughter,
> suicide, attempted rape, hallucinations, and descent into madness due to
> marijuana addiction."
>
> It's a pretty damn funny film!
>
> Jill

Great flick to watch baked! :-) Funny as hell!

John Kuthe...