I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such because
it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not in
the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.

Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of other
things that were wrong.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such because
> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not in
> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of other
> things that were wrong.

<yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
better to do with your time.

Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie. Have you no common
sense of your own that you need to ask this stupid ****ing shit here?
Jesus, woman!

-sw

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
>said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such because
>it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
>when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
>and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
>my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not in
>the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.
>
>Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of other
>things that were wrong.

I read -maybe here- that one advantage of using an air fryer was that
it's cheaper to run than an oven. Of course, you can't bake a bread in
an air fryer.

If it is not vented outside there is little waste.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven.
>> I
>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>> because
>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat
>> off
>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>> oven
>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look
>> at
>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not
>> in
>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>> with.
>>
>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>> other
>> things that were wrong.
>
> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
> better to do with your time.
>
> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie. Have you no common
> sense of your own that you need to ask this stupid ****ing shit here?
> Jesus, woman!

I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about it.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
>>said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>because
>>it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
>>when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
>>and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
>>my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not
>>in
>>the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.
>>
>>Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>>other
>>things that were wrong.
>
> I read -maybe here- that one advantage of using an air fryer was that
> it's cheaper to run than an oven. Of course, you can't bake a bread in
> an air fryer.

Ah... That could be.

"Thomas" > wrote in message
...
> If it is not vented outside there is little waste.

I don't think it is. Why would it be vented outside?

On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 8:24:43 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such because
> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not in
> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with..
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of other
> things that were wrong.

Who the heck uses the oven to heat up a house? Ovens are for baking stuff. In your home you can use the additional heat. We don't need any extra heat most times. This does not stop me from using the oven. Electricity costing 3X the national average does not stop me from using the oven. A oven doesn't cost that much to run - even in Hawaii. You should feel totally free to bake stuff - just don't use it to heat up your house.

On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven.
> I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
> because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep
> the heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run
> an electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't
> believe her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't see that
> would help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter so don't
> know what it does to begin with.
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
> other things that were wrong.

I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look
at the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would
take enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare
the consumption rates, but you won't do that.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:24:43 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such because
> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not in
> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of other
> things that were wrong.

If you use electricity as your primary heating source there's no difference.
I use natural gas as my primary heating source, and it is cheaper (for me)
than electricity.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 8:24:43 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such because
> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not in
> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with..
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of other
> things that were wrong.

Your electric meter records the kilowatt hours that your house is consuming.. Reading your meter one time won't tell you anything about your consumption except give you the starting point. After that, you can read it after some days or weeks have past to give you your electricity consumption.

You can then find the cost by multiplying the kWh by your cost per/kilowatt hours. It will probably be around $.12/kWh. My guess is that you would use about 30kWh a day i.e., $3.60 a day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQQCtKLZpwQ

On 2/26/2018 5:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>>> oven. I
>>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>> because
>>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>>> heat off
>>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>>> oven
>>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go
>>> look at
>>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am
>>> not in
>>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>>> with.
>>>
>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot
>>> of other
>>> things that were wrong.
>>
>> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
>> better to do with your time.
>>
>> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie.Â* Have you no common
>> sense of your own that you need to ask this stupid ****ing shit here?
>> Jesus, woman!
>
> I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about it.
>
>
Tell her to mind her own beeswax. Unless she's paying your electric
bill I don't see why she should be upset.

Jill

On 2/26/2018 6:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>> oven. I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and
>> such because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often
>> keep the heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly
>> to run an electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I
>> didn't believe her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't
>> see that would help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter
>> so don't know what it does to begin with.
>>
>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>> other things that were wrong.
>
> I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look
> at the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would
> take enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare
> the consumption rates, but you won't do that.

Due to a highly unusual cold spell here, everyone's January electric
bill at least doubled. I was talking with my neighbors about it and we
were comparing bills and meter readings. Not that you can argue with
the electric company but it helps to know how to read the meter when you
call to inquire why the rate jumped. Compare usage from a few prior
months with like temperatures to see if something is amiss. (In this
case it was just unusually cold.)

I use my oven year round. Then again, I'm not trying to use it to heat
the house in the winter. The way my house is laid out that wouldn't
work unless I *lived* in the kitchen! In the summer when I'm running
the central AC I still use the oven and don't notice any significant
jump in the electric bill.

I'm not sure why this "friend of a friend" is worried about Julie using
her electric oven unless she's the one paying the bill.

Jill

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:03:26 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/26/2018 5:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>>>> oven. I
>>>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>>> because
>>>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>>>> heat off
>>>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>>>> oven
>>>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go
>>>> look at
>>>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am
>>>> not in
>>>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot
>>>> of other
>>>> things that were wrong.
>>>
>>> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
>>> better to do with your time.
>>>
>>> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie.* Have you no common
>>> sense of your own that you need to ask this stupid ****ing shit here?
>>> Jesus, woman!
>>
>> I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about it.
>>
>>
>Tell her to mind her own beeswax. Unless she's paying your electric
>bill I don't see why she should be upset.
>
>Jill

More to the point is the power electric clothes dryers use, very high
consumption and probably more in use than the oven.

On 2/26/2018 9:45 AM, wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:03:26 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/26/2018 5:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>>>>> oven. I
>>>>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>>>> because
>>>>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>>>>> heat off
>>>>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>>>>> oven
>>>>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go
>>>>> look at
>>>>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am
>>>>> not in
>>>>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>>>>> with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot
>>>>> of other
>>>>> things that were wrong.
>>>>
>>>> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
>>>> better to do with your time.
>>>>
>>>> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie.Â* Have you no common
>>>> sense (snippage)
>>>
>>> I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about it.
>>>
>>>
>> Tell her to mind her own beeswax. Unless she's paying your electric
>> bill I don't see why she should be upset.
>>
>> Jill
>
> More to the point is the power electric clothes dryers use, very high
> consumption and probably more in use than the oven.
>
I don't know if Julie owns an electric clothes dryer. At any rate,
that's not what this friend of a friend was allegedly upset about.

Jill

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 1:24:06 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
> better to do with your time.
>
> -sw
>
>
The best answer of all.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:35:29 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/26/2018 9:45 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:03:26 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/26/2018 5:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>>>>>> oven. I
>>>>>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>>>>>> heat off
>>>>>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>>>>>> oven
>>>>>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go
>>>>>> look at
>>>>>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am
>>>>>> not in
>>>>>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot
>>>>>> of other
>>>>>> things that were wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
>>>>> better to do with your time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie.* Have you no common
>>>>> sense (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Tell her to mind her own beeswax. Unless she's paying your electric
>>> bill I don't see why she should be upset.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> More to the point is the power electric clothes dryers use, very high
>> consumption and probably more in use than the oven.
>>
>I don't know if Julie owns an electric clothes dryer. At any rate,
>that's not what this friend of a friend was allegedly upset about.
>
>Jill

I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
it's going out of style.

On 2/26/18 3:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>> oven. I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and
>> such because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often
>> keep the heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly
>> to run an electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I
>> didn't believe her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't
>> see that would help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter
>> so don't know what it does to begin with.
>>
>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>> other things that were wrong.
>
> I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look
> at the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would
> take enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare
> the consumption rates, but you won't do that.

even Julie would know that using any appliance is going to cause the
meter show more power being used. the point here is to contact the power
company and ask them to provide some info on the break even point

On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
> On 2/26/18 3:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> She told me that it is very costly
>>> to run an electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I
>>> didn't believe her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't
>>> see that would help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter
>>> so don't know what it does to begin with.
>>>
>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>>> other things that were wrong.
>>
>> I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look
>> at the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would
>> take enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare
>> the consumption rates, but you won't do that.
>
> even Julie would know that using any appliance is going to cause the
> meter show more power being used. the point here is to contact the power
> company and ask them to provide some info on the break even point

She doesn't need to. The alleged friend already told her that all she
had to do was to look at the meter. If it is an analog meter you can see
how fast that wheel is spinning. If it is digital you can watch the
numbers change for a given period. But, that is her MO.... to present a
question and then to find fault with the answer. Her friend already told
her she could look at the meter, but she rejected it. Now she has thrown
the question to us, and she will most certainly find problems with every
suggestion offered.


Besides, this has been discussed here in the past. There is no doubt
that electric stoves and ovens consume a lot of power when operating.
Many of us consider it not to be a major for much of the year because we
are paying to heat our homes anyway. It is a different matter in the
summer when you are paying for power to run the A/C, and then having to
run the A/C even harder because of the extra heat from the oven.

On 2/26/2018 2:40 PM, wrote:

>
> I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
> hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
> it's going out of style.
>

True, and I use it in the summer too. After washing clothes I don't
hang them out to get pollen coated.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:12:07 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> After washing clothes I don't
> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>
>
Pollen is only a problem around here in the Spring.

On 2/26/2018 11:12 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/26/2018 2:40 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
>> hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
>> it's going out of style.
>>
>
> True, and I use it in the summer too.Â* After washing clothes I don't
> hang them out to get pollen coated.

Wooo boy! I woke up this morning to find the water in the bird bath
coated with a film of pollen. I dumped it out and filled it with fresh
water. The patio furniture and the driveway were coated with
greenish-yellow dust. Even if I *wanted* to hang clothes outside, this
is not the time of year to do it. Good thing I don't have allergies,
isn't it? Sorry, but I won't give up my electric dryer. I don't run
it every day. lucretia lives in a condo with a balcony. Where does she
dry her clothes?

Jill

On 2/26/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:12:07 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> After washing clothes I don't
>> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>>
>>
> Pollen is only a problem around here in the Spring.
>
Well pollen is a problem around here about 8 months out of the year.
Even if I wanted to string a clothesline (which I don't) I wouldn't give
up my electric dryer. It's not as if I use it every day.

Back to the original topic, I don't use the oven to try to heat my
house. I am also not hesitant to use the oven in the summer because it
doesn't make my electric bill go through the roof.

Julie is posting about some scenario where a friend of a friend
chastised her for using her oven. First of all, where does someone who
is a "friend of a friend" get to criticize the use of her own oven?
Secondly, why does she care?

Lastly, none of this has a thing to do with electric dryers. I don't
know how lucretia dries her clothes but I'm keeping my electric dryer.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/26/2018 5:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>>>> oven. I
>>>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>>> because
>>>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat
>>>> off
>>>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>>>> oven
>>>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look
>>>> at
>>>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am
>>>> not in
>>>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>>>> with.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>>>> other
>>>> things that were wrong.
>>>
>>> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
>>> better to do with your time.
>>>
>>> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie. Have you no common
>>> sense of your own that you need to ask this stupid ****ing shit here?
>>> Jesus, woman!
>>
>> I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about it.
>>
>>
> Tell her to mind her own beeswax. Unless she's paying your electric bill
> I don't see why she should be upset.

She gets upset a lot.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/26/2018 9:45 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:03:26 -0500, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/26/2018 5:40 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:24:33 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my
>>>>>> oven. I
>>>>>> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>>>>>> heat off
>>>>>> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric
>>>>>> oven
>>>>>> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go
>>>>>> look at
>>>>>> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am
>>>>>> not in
>>>>>> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin
>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot
>>>>>> of other
>>>>>> things that were wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> <yawn> Just another nightly troll because you seem to have nothing
>>>>> better to do with your time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billions of people use [electric] ovens, Julie. Have you no common
>>>>> sense (snippage)
>>>>
>>>> I know they do. I just couldn't figure out why she was so upset about
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Tell her to mind her own beeswax. Unless she's paying your electric
>>> bill I don't see why she should be upset.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> More to the point is the power electric clothes dryers use, very high
>> consumption and probably more in use than the oven.
>>
> I don't know if Julie owns an electric clothes dryer. At any rate, that's
> not what this friend of a friend was allegedly upset about.

I do, but it's HE.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/26/2018 2:40 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
>> hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
>> it's going out of style.
>>
>
> True, and I use it in the summer too. After washing clothes I don't hang
> them out to get pollen coated.

This house came with an outdoor line. I had it taken down. Used it once.
Either the clothes simply didn't dry, got crap on them from the trees over
them or in a few cases of fragile fabric, got faded. Never again. I do have
a lot of gauze tops that have to be hand washed. I just hang them in the
bathroom.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 2/26/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:12:07 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> After washing clothes I don't
>>> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>>>
>>>
>> Pollen is only a problem around here in the Spring.
>>
> Well pollen is a problem around here about 8 months out of the year. Even
> if I wanted to string a clothesline (which I don't) I wouldn't give up my
> electric dryer. It's not as if I use it every day.
>
> Back to the original topic, I don't use the oven to try to heat my house.
> I am also not hesitant to use the oven in the summer because it doesn't
> make my electric bill go through the roof.
>
> Julie is posting about some scenario where a friend of a friend chastised
> her for using her oven. First of all, where does someone who is a "friend
> of a friend" get to criticize the use of her own oven? Secondly, why does
> she care?
>
> Lastly, none of this has a thing to do with electric dryers. I don't know
> how lucretia dries her clothes but I'm keeping my electric dryer.

The friend of a friend also mentioned the dryer. Mine is a newer, energy
saver one so not an issue.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 8:24:43 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
> because
> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not
> in
> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
> other
> things that were wrong.

Who the heck uses the oven to heat up a house? Ovens are for baking stuff.
In your home you can use the additional heat. We don't need any extra heat
most times. This does not stop me from using the oven. Electricity costing
3X the national average does not stop me from using the oven. A oven doesn't
cost that much to run - even in Hawaii. You should feel totally free to bake
stuff - just don't use it to heat up your house.

---

I don't like turning on my heat. That drives my electric bill waaaay up. I
would never just turn the oven on for heat but I find if it is on, it heats
the house up nicely. So for this reason, I try to do a lot of baking and
roasting during the cold months. Then I can shut the heat off and leave it
off for an hour or three after the oven is off.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven.
>> I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>> because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>> heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an
>> electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe
>> her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would
>> help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter so don't know
>> what it does to begin with.
>>
>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>> other things that were wrong.
>
> I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look at
> the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would take
> enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare the
> consumption rates, but you won't do that.

I don't know how your meters work. Not even sure how mine works except that
there are needles that go back and forth. That tells me nothing.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2018-02-26 3:47 PM, ZZyXX wrote:
>> On 2/26/18 3:16 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> She told me that it is very costly
>>>> to run an electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I
>>>> didn't believe her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't
>>>> see that would help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter
>>>> so don't know what it does to begin with.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>>>> other things that were wrong.
>>>
>>> I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look
>>> at the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would
>>> take enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare
>>> the consumption rates, but you won't do that.
>>
>> even Julie would know that using any appliance is going to cause the
>> meter show more power being used. the point here is to contact the power
>> company and ask them to provide some info on the break even point
>
> She doesn't need to. The alleged friend already told her that all she had
> to do was to look at the meter. If it is an analog meter you can see how
> fast that wheel is spinning. If it is digital you can watch the numbers
> change for a given period. But, that is her MO.... to present a question
> and then to find fault with the answer. Her friend already told her she
> could look at the meter, but she rejected it. Now she has thrown the
> question to us, and she will most certainly find problems with every
> suggestion offered.

But the thing is... I always have electric things on. I wouldn't be able to
tell the difference between stove on or stove off and what the needles mean.
>
>
> Besides, this has been discussed here in the past. There is no doubt that
> electric stoves and ovens consume a lot of power when operating. Many of
> us consider it not to be a major for much of the year because we are
> paying to heat our homes anyway. It is a different matter in the summer
> when you are paying for power to run the A/C, and then having to run the
> A/C even harder because of the extra heat from the oven.

No A/C so not a concern. My electric bill is low in the summer.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 8:24:43 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven. I
> said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
> because
> it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the heat off
> when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an electric oven
> and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe her to go look at
> my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would help me as I am not
> in
> the habit of looking at my meter so don't know what it does to begin with.
>
> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
> other
> things that were wrong.

Your electric meter records the kilowatt hours that your house is consuming.
Reading your meter one time won't tell you anything about your consumption
except give you the starting point. After that, you can read it after some
days or weeks have past to give you your electricity consumption.

You can then find the cost by multiplying the kWh by your cost per/kilowatt
hours. It will probably be around $.12/kWh. My guess is that you would use
about 30kWh a day i.e., $3.60 a day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQQCtKLZpwQ

Do you mean just for the stove? Because if you are talking total
consumption, that would be about right for the summer. But for the winter,
MUCH higher. This year has been especially bad. Raised rates and cold snaps.
More like > $20.00 per day.

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:43:02 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven.
> >> I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
> >> because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
> >> heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an
> >> electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe
> >> her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would
> >> help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter so don't know
> >> what it does to begin with.
> >>
> >> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
> >> other things that were wrong.
> >
> > I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look at
> > the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would take
> > enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare the
> > consumption rates, but you won't do that.
>
> I don't know how your meters work. Not even sure how mine works except that
> there are needles that go back and forth. That tells me nothing.

Julie, you must have been raised by cave-men...you are certainly naive about
many aspects of modern life. The Internet has answers for most of your questions
and could be your prime source of information IF you were capable of discerning
truth from fiction and really wanted to spend the time.
====

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 2/26/2018 2:40 PM, wrote:
>
> >
> > I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
> > hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
> > it's going out of style.
> >
>
> True, and I use it in the summer too. After washing clothes I don't
> hang them out to get pollen coated.

After washing clothes I hang them inside. No pollen.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:55:13 -0800 (PST), Roy >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:43:02 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven.
>> >> I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
>> >> because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
>> >> heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an
>> >> electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe
>> >> her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would
>> >> help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter so don't know
>> >> what it does to begin with.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
>> >> other things that were wrong.
>> >
>> > I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look at
>> > the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would take
>> > enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare the
>> > consumption rates, but you won't do that.
>>
>> I don't know how your meters work. Not even sure how mine works except that
>> there are needles that go back and forth. That tells me nothing.
>
>Julie, you must have been raised by cave-men...you are certainly naive about
>many aspects of modern life. The Internet has answers for most of your questions
>and could be your prime source of information IF you were capable of discerning
>truth from fiction and really wanted to spend the time.
>====

When you say "Internet", does that include Usenet?

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 23:12:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 2/26/2018 2:40 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
>> hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
>> it's going out of style.
>>
>
>True, and I use it in the summer too. After washing clothes I don't
>hang them out to get pollen coated.

A lot of people don't realise that; when I lived by the sea I loved to
hang the clothes out, but not when the pines were pollinating, even I
couldn't take that!

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 23:58:27 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/26/2018 11:12 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/26/2018 2:40 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I do realise that, was merely making the point that in climates like
>>> hers where I imagine she has to use a dryer, dryers suck up power like
>>> it's going out of style.
>>>
>>
>> True, and I use it in the summer too.* After washing clothes I don't
>> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>
>Wooo boy! I woke up this morning to find the water in the bird bath
>coated with a film of pollen. I dumped it out and filled it with fresh
>water. The patio furniture and the driveway were coated with
>greenish-yellow dust. Even if I *wanted* to hang clothes outside, this
>is not the time of year to do it. Good thing I don't have allergies,
>isn't it? Sorry, but I won't give up my electric dryer. I don't run
>it every day. lucretia lives in a condo with a balcony. Where does she
>dry her clothes?
>
>Jill

You do make mountains out of mole hills! Of course I now have to use
dryers but let me tell you why I saw fit to tell Julie forget worrying
about the oven using power and think dryer.

In talking with others about power bills several of us couldn't figure
out how my power bill was low, $34 per month and theirs were high,
just under $100.00. They all lived in condos roughly 1500 sq ft.

Eventually I realised the answer, they had in condo washer/dryers we
have a laundry room per floor and pay per wash. Even putting money in
the machines I was way better off. Didn't have to buy or maintain the
machines, had no worries about pipes letting go, obviously the
maintenance costs are figured into ours, but not the power costs

It took me quite awhile to get used to dryer only, but one does what
one has to do, I clearly found it difficult to clear snow, mow grass
etc and the big blizzard 15 years ago made up my mind for me. That
and a Korean family I was helping, when they came to visit they were
all terribly puzzled and amazed that one person lived in a 4 bedroom
house with all this space - looking at it from their point of view did
rather make me feel ashamed Think about that Jill!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:05:51 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 2/26/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:12:07 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> After washing clothes I don't
>>> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>>>
>>>
>> Pollen is only a problem around here in the Spring.
>>
>Well pollen is a problem around here about 8 months out of the year.
>Even if I wanted to string a clothesline (which I don't) I wouldn't give
>up my electric dryer. It's not as if I use it every day.
>
>Back to the original topic, I don't use the oven to try to heat my
>house. I am also not hesitant to use the oven in the summer because it
>doesn't make my electric bill go through the roof.
>
>Julie is posting about some scenario where a friend of a friend
>chastised her for using her oven. First of all, where does someone who
>is a "friend of a friend" get to criticize the use of her own oven?
>Secondly, why does she care?
>
>Lastly, none of this has a thing to do with electric dryers. I don't
>know how lucretia dries her clothes but I'm keeping my electric dryer.
>
>Jill

You can stop getting your knickers in a knot - I just explained and
perhaps now you will understand what I was telling Julie, and that I
was not condemning dryers. You can have five dryers for all I care!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:38:56 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2/26/2018 11:57 PM, wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 10:12:07 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> After washing clothes I don't
>>>> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Pollen is only a problem around here in the Spring.
>>>
>> Well pollen is a problem around here about 8 months out of the year. Even
>> if I wanted to string a clothesline (which I don't) I wouldn't give up my
>> electric dryer. It's not as if I use it every day.
>>
>> Back to the original topic, I don't use the oven to try to heat my house.
>> I am also not hesitant to use the oven in the summer because it doesn't
>> make my electric bill go through the roof.
>>
>> Julie is posting about some scenario where a friend of a friend chastised
>> her for using her oven. First of all, where does someone who is a "friend
>> of a friend" get to criticize the use of her own oven? Secondly, why does
>> she care?
>>
>> Lastly, none of this has a thing to do with electric dryers. I don't know
>> how lucretia dries her clothes but I'm keeping my electric dryer.
>
>The friend of a friend also mentioned the dryer. Mine is a newer, energy
>saver one so not an issue.

Don't be fooled by that.

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 6:12:21 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2018 00:55:13 -0800 (PST), Roy >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:43:02 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On 2018-02-26 1:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >> I was chastised the other day by a friend of a friend for using my oven.
> >> >> I said that I liked to use it a lot in the winter for baking and such
> >> >> because it helped warm up the house and that meant I could often keep the
> >> >> heat off when it was on. She told me that it is very costly to run an
> >> >> electric oven and that I shouldn't use it. Told me if I didn't believe
> >> >> her to go look at my meter next time it was on. I can't see that would
> >> >> help me as I am not in the habit of looking at my meter so don't know
> >> >> what it does to begin with.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway... Is there any truth to this? This person has told me a lot of
> >> >> other things that were wrong.
> >> >
> >> > I can't see the point of offering advice. Your friend told you to look at
> >> > the meter. That would tell you how much power it is using. It would take
> >> > enough brains to look at it with and without the oven on to compare the
> >> > consumption rates, but you won't do that.
> >>
> >> I don't know how your meters work. Not even sure how mine works except that
> >> there are needles that go back and forth. That tells me nothing.
> >
> >Julie, you must have been raised by cave-men...you are certainly naive about
> >many aspects of modern life. The Internet has answers for most of your questions
> >and could be your prime source of information IF you were capable of discerning
> >truth from fiction and really wanted to spend the time.
> >====
>
> When you say "Internet", does that include Usenet?

Given that he uses Google Groups, for him Internet = World Wide Web

Cindy Hamilton

On 2018-02-26 11:58 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> True, and I use it in the summer too.Â* After washing clothes I don't
>> hang them out to get pollen coated.
>
> Wooo boy!Â* I woke up this morning to find the water in the bird bath
> coated with a film of pollen.Â* I dumped it out and filled it with fresh
> water.Â* The patio furniture and the driveway were coated with
> greenish-yellow dust.Â* Even if I *wanted* to hang clothes outside, this
> is not the time of year to do it.Â* Good thing I don't have allergies,
> isn't it? Â* Sorry, but I won't give up my electric dryer.Â* I don't run
> it every day.Â* lucretia lives in a condo with a balcony.Â* Where does she
> dry her clothes?

Don't complain Jill. On Saturday morning I woke up in Georgia and one
the drive north I saw all sorts of trees and bushes blossoming. We
stopped in Lynchburg VA and visited Appomatox Court House, then
travelled as far as Altoona PA. Yesterday we did the last leg home. If I
had a bird bath it would have a layer of ice on it this morning. I will
trade you for pollen.