On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:48:57 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
....
> Obviously he doesn't know better. When I was (briefly) considering
> selling my house the real estate agent told me I'd have to repair the
> wood rot (some of the exterior trim has issues). That would also have
> involved repainting the house. Both major expenses and would have been
> my responsibility as the SELLER.
>
> Jill

And because you're a CHEAP ASSED SELLER you CHOSE NOT TO FUNDAMENTALLY IMPROVE YOUR PROPERTY to come up the the BUILDING CODES in place today!

Shitty of you!! :-( SOMEONE is gonna have to do it, else scrape your house FLAT and start over!

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
....
>
> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to
> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required
> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not
> true?
>
> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no
> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are
> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced
> price)

How many times to I have to post here the sales contract my sellers and I have is an "as is" real estate contract? DUH!!

John Kuthe...

"John Kuthe" > wrote in message
...

> How many times to I have to post here the sales contract my sellers and I
> have is an "as is" real estate contract? DUH!!
>
> John Kuthe...


Too many for sure.

Cheri

On 9/23/2017 10:05 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "John Kuthe" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> How many times to I have to post here the sales contract my sellers
>> and I have is an "as is" real estate contract? DUH!!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>
> Too many for sure.
>
> Cheri

This is what happens when the bully pack picks out a target and decides
to tag team on him.

This is - hands down - the least compassionate, most judgemental, most
hateful pack of jackal dogs I have ever seen operate under the guise of
shared topical 'interest' in the entire uselessnet!

On 9/23/2017 10:13 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Leaky roofs, buckled siding, torn/frayed linoleum, dirty carpets,

Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!!

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 8:48:57 AM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> ...
> > Obviously he doesn't know better. When I was (briefly) considering
> > selling my house the real estate agent told me I'd have to repair the
> > wood rot (some of the exterior trim has issues). That would also have
> > involved repainting the house. Both major expenses and would have been
> > my responsibility as the SELLER.
> >
> > Jill
>
> And because you're a CHEAP ASSED SELLER you CHOSE NOT TO FUNDAMENTALLY IMPROVE YOUR PROPERTY to come up the the BUILDING CODES in place today!
>
> Shitty of you!! :-( SOMEONE is gonna have to do it, else scrape your house FLAT and start over!

It's a funny thing, John. You can sell a house that isn't up to code.
I've bought three of them, and neither the mortgagee, the insurance
company, nor I cared one little bit. We've been living in the house
for 17 years, and it still doesn't meet current building codes. It
just doesn't matter.

The one that comes immediately to mind is that there are no hurricane
clips on the roof. It's mainly held on by gravity, although the
rafters might be toenailed into the top sill. Or they might be
sitting right on the masonry walls. I'm not about to mount an
expedition to the attic to check on it.

The garage that we built in 2006 was up to code when we built it,
and has hurricane clips. I nailed 'em on myself.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/23/2017 10:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> We've been living in the house
> for 17 years, and it still doesn't meet current building codes. It
> just doesn't matter.
>
> The one that comes immediately to mind is that there are no hurricane
> clips on the roof. It's mainly held on by gravity, although the
> rafters might be toenailed into the top sill. Or they might be
> sitting right on the masonry walls. I'm not about to mount an
> expedition to the attic to check on it.

So wait...your garage is code friendly, but your home isn't and you have
no worries about what holds its roof on?

Dang!


http://www.annarbor.com/news/new-hig...recasters-say/

This time they really mean it. The high winds forecast for Tuesday
didn't materialize in the Ann Arbor area, but National Weather Service
forecasters say today will be different.

They've issued a high wind warning from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. today for
southeast Michigan. The Ann Arbor area can expect sustained winds of 30
to 40 miles per hour, with frequent gusts of 45 mph and occasional gusts
up to 60 mph, said Matt Mosteiko, a meteorologist with the National
Weather Service in White Lake.

That's strong enough to knock down trees and down power lines. The
period of highest winds will come between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m., Mosteiko said.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...


> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:09:13 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>>>
>>> It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL
>>> house!!
>>>
>>> https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7
>>>
>> I don't believe that nice roof needs 113,671 dollars worth of
>> "repair and restoration".
>> Janet UK
>

Never priced that type of roof, but it is possible. I like the
roofline. So much nicer than the plain slanted roof most houses have.

Value is in the eye of the beholder. I said it before, John is not
buying a house, he is buying a lifestyle. If he is happy with his
investment it does not matter what value we put on it.

I've made improvements in my house over the years. Not once did I
consider the impact on the resale value, but I did consider how we will
like and enjoy it. We have no plans to ever sell so I don't care what
my kids get out of it when we are gone.

==

Well said)



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 9/23/2017 11:09 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 23 Sep 2017 08:21:41a, Casa de Masa told us...
>
>> On 9/22/2017 11:46 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 09:14:18p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:24 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:09:28p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de
>>>>>>> Masa wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think he has clay that needs restoration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The cost on that one blew me away!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and
>>>>>>> paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh
>>>>>>> of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it
>>>>>>> would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing
>>>>>>> on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal
>>>>>>> shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that
>>>>>>> really matters is the buyer's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's tidy enough, but I guess I'd go for slate or concrete
>>>>>> tile over red clay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a preference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hate how asphalt shingles shed cinders in a strong storm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's always a personal preference, house, roof, neighborhood,
>>>>> whatever. I've always thought it to be an ugly house in an
>>>>> equally ugly neighborhood, but if John likes it, then it's
>>>>> probably the right place for him.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, it's tidy enough, but as you say that's personal preference.
>>>>
>>>> The neighborhood may be 'transitional'...
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I hope it works out - the guy needs a break.
>>>>
>>>
>>> He may need a break, but h=probabaly also needs a psyc exam. He
>>> is waaaay out of control.
>>>
>>
>> Ya know I don't buy that at all.
>
> Thre's no price on what you buy or don't buy.

Not here, true.

>> He functions in his own unique way and world.
>
> Indeed he does.

....very UNIQUE...

>>
>> But he does function, he's no harm to others, and he has a fairly
>> gentle demeanor.
>
> I never said that he was a harmto others or to himself.

So why the psych eval. then?

>> If you see some ripping great social danger, please illumine me.
>
> I never said he was a danger. What I'm suggesting is that he needs
> some professional guidance.

Oh come on, he's been out working and living his life for decades now.

> I have a first cousin who seems similar to him. She is a highly
> functioinal financial analyst. Yet, even with the simplest of things
> she doesn't have a firm grasp on reality. She is now in her 60s and
> has been seeing either a psychiatrist, psychologist, or therapist all
> of her adult life in order to cope with many issues in what most of
> us would call a "normal" life.

And guess what, has that worked yet?

Is a lasting cure in the offing?

I wonder at the efficacy of traditional counseling for life issues like
these.

Seem to me the therapist industry gets fat and the patient stays on a
behavioral treadmill.

YMMV.

As for Kuthe, he likely has a family, parents, etc.

They may have given up on him, or not. But his oddness is no more nor
less in need of treatment than Julie's. These are highly individualistic
types, as such we can not view them through our more traditional lenses
of society.

I'm open to John being John, and if he shirks good advice here, so be it
- his call.

On 2017-09-23 11:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>

>>> Â*Â* I don't believe that nice roof needsÂ* 113,671Â* dollars worth of
>>> "repair and restoration".
>>> Â* Janet UK
>>
>
> Never priced that type of roof, but it is possible.Â* I like the
> roofline.Â* So much nicer than the plain slanted roof most houses have.

I have done a few roofing jobs and I can appreciate the extra work and
expense of roofs like that. Sometimes I see houses with all gables and
similar extras and I always wonder how much extra work it was to have to
cut all that material to fit, and how much material was wasted.

> I've made improvements in my house over the years.Â* Not once did I
> consider the impact on the resale value, but I did consider how we will
> like and enjoy it.Â* We have no plans to ever sell so I don't care what
> my kids get out of it when we are gone.

I think this has been discussed here before. I have read articles that
suggest that upgrading bathrooms and kitchens may help sell the house
faster but you are not likely to get your money back. A lot of people
move into new homes with the intention of doing those upgrades
themselves. Adding a bathroom might get you more money, but simply
updating a required room that is already there.... not so much.

On 9/23/2017 1:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-09-23 11:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>
>>>> Â*Â* I don't believe that nice roof needsÂ* 113,671Â* dollars worth of
>>>> "repair and restoration".
>>>> Â* Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> Never priced that type of roof, but it is possible.Â* I like the
>> roofline.Â* So much nicer than the plain slanted roof most houses have.
>
> I have done a few roofing jobs and I can appreciate the extra work and
> expense of roofs like that. Sometimes I see houses with all gables and
> similar extras and I always wonder how much extra work it was to have to
> cut all that material to fit, and how much material was wasted.
>
>> I've made improvements in my house over the years.Â* Not once did I
>> consider the impact on the resale value, but I did consider how we
>> will like and enjoy it.Â* We have no plans to ever sell so I don't care
>> what my kids get out of it when we are gone.
>
> I thinkÂ* this has beenÂ* discussed here before. I have read articles that
> suggest that upgrading bathrooms and kitchens may help sell the house
> faster but you are not likely to get your money back.Â* A lot of people
> move into new homes with the intention of doing those upgrades
> themselves. Adding a bathroom might get you more money, but simply
> updating a required room that is already there.... not so much.
>
>

Our bathrooms were perfectly functional but at 36 years old at the time,
they looked dated. I did not like the blue fixtures so much either.
The upgrades will add value but since we have a really nice shower and
no tub, it may be a detraction to a buyer with young kids. I don't
care, we like it with the big shower. No garish colors either!

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/23/2017 10:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > We've been living in the house
> > for 17 years, and it still doesn't meet current building codes. It
> > just doesn't matter.
> >
> > The one that comes immediately to mind is that there are no hurricane
> > clips on the roof. It's mainly held on by gravity, although the
> > rafters might be toenailed into the top sill. Or they might be
> > sitting right on the masonry walls. I'm not about to mount an
> > expedition to the attic to check on it.
>
> So wait...your garage is code friendly, but your home isn't and you have
> no worries about what holds its roof on?

It's been that way for 70 years. It would take a direct tornado
strike to move it, and I doubt hurricane clips would help. I envision
the house standing, since it's built of masonry, with the roof landing
in the next county.

The only reason the garage has 'em is because the building inspector
insisted.

> Dang!
>
>
> http://www.annarbor.com/news/new-hig...recasters-say/
>
> This time they really mean it. The high winds forecast for Tuesday
> didn't materialize in the Ann Arbor area, but National Weather Service
> forecasters say today will be different.
>
> They've issued a high wind warning from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. today for
> southeast Michigan. The Ann Arbor area can expect sustained winds of 30
> to 40 miles per hour, with frequent gusts of 45 mph and occasional gusts
> up to 60 mph, said Matt Mosteiko, a meteorologist with the National
> Weather Service in White Lake.
>
> That's strong enough to knock down trees and down power lines. The
> period of highest winds will come between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m., Mosteiko said.

We've had that kind of weather at least twice a year since I've lived
here. It's no big deal.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/23/2017 12:12 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 12:50:11 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 9/23/2017 10:37 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> We've been living in the house
>>> for 17 years, and it still doesn't meet current building codes. It
>>> just doesn't matter.
>>>
>>> The one that comes immediately to mind is that there are no hurricane
>>> clips on the roof. It's mainly held on by gravity, although the
>>> rafters might be toenailed into the top sill. Or they might be
>>> sitting right on the masonry walls. I'm not about to mount an
>>> expedition to the attic to check on it.
>>
>> So wait...your garage is code friendly, but your home isn't and you have
>> no worries about what holds its roof on?
>
> It's been that way for 70 years.

Fair enough.

> It would take a direct tornado
> strike to move it, and I doubt hurricane clips would help. I envision
> the house standing, since it's built of masonry, with the roof landing
> in the next county.

I imagine you're right.

> The only reason the garage has 'em is because the building inspector
> insisted.

Good on him!

>> Dang!
>>
>>
>> http://www.annarbor.com/news/new-hig...recasters-say/
>>
>> This time they really mean it. The high winds forecast for Tuesday
>> didn't materialize in the Ann Arbor area, but National Weather Service
>> forecasters say today will be different.
>>
>> They've issued a high wind warning from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m. today for
>> southeast Michigan. The Ann Arbor area can expect sustained winds of 30
>> to 40 miles per hour, with frequent gusts of 45 mph and occasional gusts
>> up to 60 mph, said Matt Mosteiko, a meteorologist with the National
>> Weather Service in White Lake.
>>
>> That's strong enough to knock down trees and down power lines. The
>> period of highest winds will come between 1 p.m. and 5 p.m., Mosteiko said.
>
> We've had that kind of weather at least twice a year since I've lived
> here. It's no big deal.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Until it is.

Remember, history is no guarantor of the future.

Some of those deep low cells are getting a might deeper of late.

On 9/23/2017 12:28 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 23 Sep 2017 10:16:52a, Casa de Masa told us...
>
>> On 9/23/2017 11:09 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sat 23 Sep 2017 08:21:41a, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2017 11:46 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 09:14:18p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:24 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:09:28p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de
>>>>>>>>> Masa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think he has clay that needs restoration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The cost on that one blew me away!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and
>>>>>>>>> paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh
>>>>>>>>> of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it
>>>>>>>>> would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing
>>>>>>>>> on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal
>>>>>>>>> shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that
>>>>>>>>> really matters is the buyer's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's tidy enough, but I guess I'd go for slate or concrete
>>>>>>>> tile over red clay.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a preference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hate how asphalt shingles shed cinders in a strong storm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's always a personal preference, house, roof, neighborhood,
>>>>>>> whatever. I've always thought it to be an ugly house in an
>>>>>>> equally ugly neighborhood, but if John likes it, then it's
>>>>>>> probably the right place for him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's tidy enough, but as you say that's personal
>>>>>> preference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The neighborhood may be 'transitional'...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I hope it works out - the guy needs a break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He may need a break, but h=probabaly also needs a psyc exam.
>>>>> He is waaaay out of control.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ya know I don't buy that at all.
>>>
>>> Thre's no price on what you buy or don't buy.
>>
>> Not here, true.
>>
>>>> He functions in his own unique way and world.
>>>
>>> Indeed he does.
>>
>> ...very UNIQUE...
>>
>>>>
>>>> But he does function, he's no harm to others, and he has a
>>>> fairly gentle demeanor.
>>>
>>> I never said that he was a harmto others or to himself.
>>
>> So why the psych eval. then?
>>
>>>> If you see some ripping great social danger, please illumine me.
>>>
>>> I never said he was a danger. What I'm suggesting is that he
>>> needs some professional guidance.
>>
>> Oh come on, he's been out working and living his life for decades
>> now.
>>
>>> I have a first cousin who seems similar to him. She is a highly
>>> functioinal financial analyst. Yet, even with the simplest of
>>> things she doesn't have a firm grasp on reality. She is now in
>>> her 60s and has been seeing either a psychiatrist, psychologist,
>>> or therapist all of her adult life in order to cope with many
>>> issues in what most of us would call a "normal" life.
>>
>> And guess what, has that worked yet?
>>
>> Is a lasting cure in the offing?
>>
>> I wonder at the efficacy of traditional counseling for life issues
>> like these.
>>
>> Seem to me the therapist industry gets fat and the patient stays
>> on a behavioral treadmill.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> As for Kuthe, he likely has a family, parents, etc.
>>
>> They may have given up on him, or not. But his oddness is no more
>> nor less in need of treatment than Julie's. These are highly
>> individualistic types, as such we can not view them through our
>> more traditional lenses of society.
>>
>> I'm open to John being John, and if he shirks good advice here, so
>> be it - his call.
>>
>>
>
> John and Julie are indeed unique. That doesn't meant that either of
> them couldn't use some assistance.

Ya know...there I disagree.

If they really needed that they'd be in a position (involuntary) to
receive it.

> Frankly, I sick of hearing about both of them, and while I don't see
> their original posts, it's bad enough that I have to see them quoted
> all other the place.
>
> It's probably best that we agree to disagree. I've had enough.

That's fine, I find them oddly compelling, in their own wacky ways.

Can you imagine what a bland world this would be without them?

And neither one is intentionally hurtful, which counts for a lot in my book.

Anywho - carry on!

&-)

On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
....
> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to
> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required
> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not
> true?
>
> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no
> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are
> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced
> price)

One would think it would be that way. But that ASSUMES every owner of a house (real estate) would keep the house repaired and up to date, correct?

Well, that's the ideal anyway! The SHOULDS! But if SHOULDS were ISs, we would have NO problems!!

This house was purchased on foreclosure in 2008 by the CHINESE!! Who have tons of U.S. money thanks to United Statesians shopping at MalWart for 30 years! And a house foreclosed on is most likely NOT gonna be in the best state of repair! And while true the CHINESE who bought this house cheap on foreclosure in 2008 said they put $30,000 into it to get it to pass (which I believe, I have no other reason to believe anything else!) they DIDN'T keep this house in "good repair" but instead in cheap Chinese repair! Like my cheap Chinese landlord hiring a stupid handyman to put shingles and black tar on the beautiful red clay tile roof to stop leaks! Ugh! :-( Because to fix the red clay tile roof CORRECTLY is too cost prohibitive at $113,671!!

Only someone "stupid" like ME will spend that kind of money to get this roof fixed correctly!

http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html

John Kuthe...

On 9/23/2017 1:08 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Like my cheap Chinese landlord hiring a stupid handyman to put shingles and black tar on the beautiful red clay tile roof to stop leaks! Ugh!:-( Because to fix the red clay tile roof CORRECTLY is too cost prohibitive at $113,671!!
>
> Only someone "stupid" like ME will spend that kind of money to get this roof fixed correctly!


OK, you have rare self-awareness.

Both are true.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 07:44:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 7:44:09 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 03:49:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad
>> >> >> economics.
>> >> >
>> >> >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!!
>> >> >
>> >> >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7
>> >>
>> >> It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so
>> >> few and such small windows, no?
>> >
>> >On the front façade, those are a ton of large windows.
>>
>> The actual glass area doesn't look that big to me.
>>
>> >St. Louis isn't quite as cold as where I live, but a house that age up
>> >here would not have much window area because you'd never have gotten a break
>> >from shoveling coal into the furnace. Thank goodness we've got natural
>> >gas heat now.
>>
>> Maybe where you live it's different, but you can also have lots of
>> double glass to keep the warmth in. Like this:
>>
>> <http://www.vanreemst.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/doorzonwoning-bennekom.jpg>
>
>1. That's modern construction. John's house is about 90. Mine is about
>70, and has perhaps a lower percentage of glass on the front façade.
>People who build custom houses nowadays typically have a lot more glass.
>Builders who make an entire subdivision for later sale skimp on both the
>amount and quality of the windows.
>
>2. Climate (monospace font recommended):
> Avg. Low Record Low Avg. High Record High
>Amsterdam 32.9 5 22.1 34.5
>Ann Arbor -7.8 -31 28.4 41
>
>Temperatures given in C. Averages are the average low/high temperature
>for the coldest/hottest months of the year.
>
>Even double- or triple-glazed windows lose more heat than walls do.
>I'm quite satisfied with the modest number and size of windows in
>my house.

That's why I said it may be different where you live. It's very common
to put double glazed windows in older buildings, also for sound
proofing. Also, your figures are wrong. Avg. low for the year in
Amaterdam is 6.43 C and record low for the year is -15.4 C. Plus John
lives in St Louis, not in Ann Arbor. Avg. low for the year in St.
Louis is 8.8 C and record low for the year is -30 C.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 11:08:20 -0400, wrote:

>Buying that old house is the same as buying an old wooden boat; a hole
>in the ocean where one tosses ALL their money and gets nothing in
>return.
>That's not even a nice looking or well built house... wtf is
> that support cable steadying the chimney

I'd rather have the cable than see the chimney come down.

>, that's not the original
>chimney, the original crumbled and a cheap undersize replacement was
>installed... had to be that height to meet code.
> I wouldn't want to live their for free, there's no privacy, even a
>shared driveway.

Big city living. It comes with pros and cons. I've lived in higher
density than that.

On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:28:03 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>John and Julie are indeed unique. That doesn't meant that either of
>them couldn't use some assistance.
>
>Frankly, I sick of hearing about both of them, and while I don't see
>their original posts, it's bad enough that I have to see them quoted
>all other the place.
>
>It's probably best that we agree to disagree. I've had enough.

Funny, because if I had to put John, Julie or you in my killfile, I
would choose you.

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:

> Well, that's the ideal anyway! The SHOULDS! But if SHOULDS were ISs, we would have NO problems!!

It would be pretty to think so. However, we'd just have people arguing
about which SHOULD is correct.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/23/2017 1:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:28:03 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>> John and Julie are indeed unique. That doesn't meant that either of
>> them couldn't use some assistance.
>>
>> Frankly, I sick of hearing about both of them, and while I don't see
>> their original posts, it's bad enough that I have to see them quoted
>> all other the place.
>>
>> It's probably best that we agree to disagree. I've had enough.
>
> Funny, because if I had to put John, Julie or you in my killfile, I
> would choose you.
>

Funny, the idea that you even have a killfile, lol...

In article >, says...
>
> On 23-Sep-2017, Sqwertz > wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 03:34:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > Most likely scenario is that the current owner bought the
> > > house and
> > > secured an occupancy permit years ago, and since then
> > > building codes
> > > have changed. The current owner is grandfathered in, but a
> > > new owner
> > > must bring the building up to current codes.
> >
> > Original building codes are generally effective for the life of
> > the
> > structure regardless of ownership. Only when you remodel or
> > make
> > modifications are you required to "upgrade" to the new codes.
> In the part of St. Louis County where my daughter owns a rental
> property (I don't know the rules in the city), when there is an
> ownership or tenant change, a code inspector will visit and write
> up code violations needing to be addressed. For example, bath
> and kitchen outlets must be made GFI (ownership change, not
> tenant). In addition, it is a violation if there is something
> needing repair. Example of the latter came up when my daughter
> rented her house to a new tenant. The garage door did not close
> completely - violation. Back garage door and a basement window
> had cracked glass - violation. Concrete front porch was spalled
> - violation. All these "violations" had to be addressed and
> re-inspected, and pass, before an occupancy permit would be
> issued.
>
> My parents house, when my son and I inherited it, would normally
> have had to been brought to code on GFI, perhaps other things.
> But, the inspector told me that since the home was listed as my
> sons legal address before inheriting, they waived addressing the
> updated code.
>
> It is purely a guess; but, in John's case the roof problem is
> probably not the tile itself; but, that leaks rotted the roof
> deck. That happened to a a friend of mines home; the tile was
> fine, the deck was rotten. It was very labor intensive to remove
> the tile, replace the roof deck, then reinstall the tile. If I
> am correct, I am fairly confident that STL County would fail the
> roof during inspection. These inspections are how the county
> keeps housing from falling into unaddressed disrepair and keeping
> the County from looking like the worst parts of the City.

+ useful info, thanks.

Janet UK

Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/22/2017 7:41 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:31:48 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> So you settled on a price. That's fine. Is it under contract or can
>>> they pull out after the work you pay for is done?
>>
>> Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that
>> Occupancy Permit Inspection. I have a competent subcontractor Old
>> World Roofing and a signed repair and RESTORE estimate of this red
>> clay tile roof repair and RESTORE!
>>
>> It;'sd gonna look GREAT! And LAST! 10 year no leak warranty and I'm
>> gonna watch it! I will have to get a video drone to inspect it.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
> https://www.bbb.org/stlouis/business...s-mo-310018087
>
>
> A+ rated = good choice, but PRICEY!!!

Any business can buy an A+ rating. the BBB is a scam.

wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:36:35 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>>> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad
>>>> economics.
>>> It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!!
>>>
>>> https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7
>> It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so
>> few and such small windows, no?
> One side receives no light, it's an arm's length from the neighbor...
> I'm sure you can hears each other's stoilet flush.

It also seems to have no gutters. Hopefully the basement/crawlspace
somehow stay dry.

wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:07:14 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2017 3:01 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 12:46:26p, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>
>>>> On 9/22/2017 12:54 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:58:40a, Casa de Masa told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary
>>>>>>> wrote: ...
>>>>>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want
>>>>>>>> to improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the
>>>>>>>> required things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves.
>>>>>>>> Is this not true?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no
>>>>>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems
>>>>>>>> are stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the
>>>>>>>> reduced price)
>>>>>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But
>>>>>>> because it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit
>>>>>>> INspection before being legally transferred to a buyer's
>>>>>>> possession, in this case ME! And because the cheap Chinese
>>>>>>> landlord(s) just want to get out from under this house for as
>>>>>>> much cash as they can get, we settled on a cash as-is sale
>>>>>>> price of $108,000!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap
>>>>>>> Chinese landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house
>>>>>>> to "fix it up" and I DO!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate
>>>>>>> for $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who
>>>>>>> DOES restore these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot
>>>>>>> of here in STL!! See?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OMG!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW!
>>>>>>
>>>>> What a chump!
>>>>>
>>>> I'm shocked that anyone would charge that for a clay tile roof.
>>>>
>>>> You have plenty of those in AZ. Wayne - how on earth can it cost
>>>> over $100K to replace?
>>>>
>>> Yes, we do, and I'm quite sure they don't cost that much anywhere in
>>> AZ, especially for a house as small as John's. However, when we
>>> lived in Cleveland it was relatively uncommon to have either a clay
>>> tile or slate tile roof, and forwhever reason they were very costly.
>>> I haven't followed the Saga of John in enough detail to know where he
>>> lives.
>> I think it's a historic district of sorts.
>>
>>> One factor, if he doesn't presently have a clay tile roof is the
>>> structural support a tile roof will require compared to a shingle
>>> roofing. That can increase the cost considerably.
>> I think he has clay that needs restoration.
>>
>> The cost on that one blew me away!
> Todasy tehre are metal shingles that look exacrtly like clay and come
> in an array of colors... a lot less weight, a lot less labor, snow
> slides right off, and will last a hundred years with no breakage.

He might be able to get a Tesla roof for less than that and power the house.

On 9/23/2017 9:12 PM, Alex wrote:


>
> He might be able to get a Tesla roof for less than that and power the
> house.

But the house would lose a lot of character and charm.

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
>
> Any business can buy an A+ rating. the BBB is a scam.

I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room. That would have been trippy.

On 9/23/2017 7:00 PM, Alex wrote:
> Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 9/22/2017 7:41 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:31:48 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> So you settled on a price.Â* That's fine.Â* Is it under contract or can
>>>> they pull out after the work you pay for is done?
>>>
>>> Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that
>>> Occupancy Permit Inspection. I have a competent subcontractor Old
>>> World Roofing and a signed repair and RESTORE estimate of this red
>>> clay tile roof repair and RESTORE!
>>>
>>> It;'sd gonna look GREAT! And LAST! 10 year no leak warranty and I'm
>>> gonna watch it! I will have to get a video drone to inspect it.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> https://www.bbb.org/stlouis/business...s-mo-310018087
>>
>>
>> A+ rated = good choice, but PRICEY!!!
>
> Any business can buy an A+ rating.Â* the BBB is a scam.

Prove it.

Use factual citations.

Or STFU!

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:12:29 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
>
> He might be able to get a Tesla roof for less than that and power the house.

My guess is you're right. That would include a powerwall battery or two. You might get a tax credit of $12500. A $50,000 installation cost ain't cheap but if you planning on blowing $110,000 on a roof, it's like one of that greatest bargains in the world.

On 9/23/2017 9:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
>>
>> Any business can buy an A+ rating. the BBB is a scam.
>
> I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room. That would have been trippy.
>

A lava lamp would have been cheaper and drawn more compliments...
;-)

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 6:07:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/23/2017 9:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
> >>
> >> Any business can buy an A+ rating. the BBB is a scam.
> >
> > I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room. That would have been trippy.
> >
>
> A lava lamp would have been cheaper and drawn more compliments...
> ;-)

On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 6:07:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/23/2017 9:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
> >>
> >> Any business can buy an A+ rating. the BBB is a scam.
> >
> > I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room. That would have been trippy.
> >
>
> A lava lamp would have been cheaper and drawn more compliments...
> ;-)

It's like one of those mugs that say "World's Greatest Dad" except that people actually believe that you got voted "The Best of Honolulu."

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 23-Sep-2017, Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 03:34:07 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > Most likely scenario is that the current owner bought the
> > house and
> > secured an occupancy permit years ago, and since then
> > building codes
> > have changed. The current owner is grandfathered in, but a
> > new owner
> > must bring the building up to current codes.
>
> Original building codes are generally effective for the life of
> the
> structure regardless of ownership. Only when you remodel or
> make
> modifications are you required to "upgrade" to the new codes.
In the part of St. Louis County where my daughter owns a rental
property (I don't know the rules in the city), when there is an
ownership or tenant change, a code inspector will visit and write
up code violations needing to be addressed. For example, bath
and kitchen outlets must be made GFI (ownership change, not
tenant). In addition, it is a violation if there is something
needing repair. Example of the latter came up when my daughter
rented her house to a new tenant. The garage door did not close
completely - violation. Back garage door and a basement window
had cracked glass - violation. Concrete front porch was spalled
- violation. All these "violations" had to be addressed and
re-inspected, and pass, before an occupancy permit would be
issued.

My parents house, when my son and I inherited it, would normally
have had to been brought to code on GFI, perhaps other things.
But, the inspector told me that since the home was listed as my
sons legal address before inheriting, they waived addressing the
updated code.

It is purely a guess; but, in John's case the roof problem is
probably not the tile itself; but, that leaks rotted the roof
deck. That happened to a a friend of mines home; the tile was
fine, the deck was rotten. It was very labor intensive to remove
the tile, replace the roof deck, then reinstall the tile. If I
am correct, I am fairly confident that STL County would fail the
roof during inspection. These inspections are how the county
keeps housing from falling into unaddressed disrepair and keeping
the County from looking like the worst parts of the City.

==

GFI?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Alex wrote:
>
> It also seems to have no gutters. Hopefully the basement/crawlspace
> somehow stay dry.

Actually it does have gutters around the bottom level.
Look at the roof on the left side of the pic.
Looks like old copper (turned green) gutters to me.

I wonder too if there is a basement. John has never said.
If not, he has a good amount of crawspace.

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 24-Sep-2017, "Ophelia" > wrote:

> GFI?
Ground Fault Interrupter. Special electrical outlets, and
wiring, designed to protect from electrical shock. It is
required by building code for use in bath and kitchen to provide
a greater level of protection due to the increased risk of
electricity near water, such as in sinks or spills.

==

Thank you. I hadn't heard of that.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 5:46:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Alex wrote:
> >
> > It also seems to have no gutters. Hopefully the basement/crawlspace
> > somehow stay dry.
>
> Actually it does have gutters around the bottom level.
> Look at the roof on the left side of the pic.
> Looks like old copper (turned green) gutters to me.
>
> I wonder too if there is a basement. John has never said.
> If not, he has a good amount of crawspace.

The house has gutters all around the roof, and a basement too.

John Kuthe...

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 8:22:45 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "l not -l" wrote in message ...
>
>
> On 24-Sep-2017, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>
> > GFI?
> Ground Fault Interrupter. Special electrical outlets, and
> wiring, designed to protect from electrical shock. It is
> required by building code for use in bath and kitchen to provide
> a greater level of protection due to the increased risk of
> electricity near water, such as in sinks or spills.
>
> ==
>
> Thank you. I hadn't heard of that.
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

And I've had GFIe 120VAC sockets INSTALLED everywhere the Occupancy Permit Inspector said they needed to be. In all of the three bathrooms and in the kitchen too! Oh and one in the wet bar in the basement too!

John Kuthe...

On 9/23/2017 10:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 6:07:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 9/23/2017 9:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any business can buy an A+ rating. the BBB is a scam.
>>>
>>> I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room. That would have been trippy.
>>>
>>
>> A lava lamp would have been cheaper and drawn more compliments...
>> ;-)
>
> It's like one of those mugs that say "World's Greatest Dad" except that people actually believe that you got voted "The Best of Honolulu."
>

I hate that commercial where the smug kid dresses his dad down for
getting the wrong pizza.

On 9/24/2017 11:45 AM, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/23/2017 10:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 6:07:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>> On 9/23/2017 9:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Any business can buy an A+ rating.Â* the BBB is a scam.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my
>>>> business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam
>>>> but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful
>>>> plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room. That
>>>> would have been trippy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A lava lamp would have been cheaper and drawn more compliments...
>>> ;-)
>>
>> It's like one of those mugs that say "World's Greatest Dad" except
>> that people actually believe that you got voted "The Best of Honolulu."
>>
>
> I hate that commercial where the smug kid dresses his dad down for
> getting the wrong pizza.


Yes, it really sends a poor message that it is ok to disrespect dad. It
just is not funny as they think it is.

On 9/24/2017 9:55 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/24/2017 11:45 AM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 9/23/2017 10:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 6:07:54 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 9/23/2017 9:55 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:00:57 PM UTC-10, Alex wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any business can buy an A+ rating.Â* the BBB is a scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about the BBB but I always got email saying that my
>>>>> business was voted the best in my town. Obviously, that was a scam
>>>>> but I should have bought that spot on the website and the beautiful
>>>>> plexiglass award trophy to proudly display in the waiting room.
>>>>> That would have been trippy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A lava lamp would have been cheaper and drawn more compliments...
>>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> It's like one of those mugs that say "World's Greatest Dad" except
>>> that people actually believe that you got voted "The Best of Honolulu."
>>>
>>
>> I hate that commercial where the smug kid dresses his dad down for
>> getting the wrong pizza.
>
>
> Yes, it really sends a poor message that it is ok to disrespect dad.Â* It
> just is not funny as they think it is.

There is a lot of elder disrespect these days.

I am guessing that amongst your rock's cultures this is not so commonplace?