On 2/26/2017 2:35 AM, tert in seattle wrote:
> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>
> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> is going on in there
>
> it tasted just like it looks

Locally that would cost $1.25. I can get a much better chicken sandwich
in town, but it cot $7.95. You've probably heard "you get what you pay
for". Cheap and fast.


>
> what really disturbed me about my visit wasn't the mysterious chicken
> like substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>
> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>
Why does that disturb you? People will save their cups and come back
again for a free soda. Happens more than you think so it is prudent to
make people aware of the rules if they are confronted. Same thing
happens with coffee shops too. Customers also steal the ketchup packets,
napkins, s&p shakers. I know of one guy that went to Arby's and took
his empty soda cup and filled it with bbq sauce when he left.

On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> ike substance - check out this sign clearly mass produced by McD Inc.
>>
>> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcftw.jpg
>>
> Why does that disturb you? People will save their cups and come back
> again for a free soda. Happens more than you think so it is prudent to
> make people aware of the rules if they are confronted. Same thing
> happens with coffee shops too. Customers also steal the ketchup packets,
> napkins, s&p shakers. I know of one guy that went to Arby's and took
> his empty soda cup and filled it with bbq sauce when he left.
>
It's stealing, plain and simple.

Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
(free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.

Jill

On 2017-02-26 9:29 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
> I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
> several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
> (free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
> food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
> amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.


That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
the ended up kicking her out.

On 2/26/2017 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-26 9:29 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
>> I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
>> several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
>> (free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
>> food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
>> amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.
>
>
> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> the ended up kicking her out.
>
>
Well hey, they're in business to sell things. I'm sorry your wife got
kicked out but at least she was warned first. I saw these same people
doing this for about two weeks and, at least when I was there, not one
employee said a word to them. It struck me as very odd.

Jill

On 2017-02-26 10:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 2/26/2017 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
>> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
>> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
>> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
>> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
>> the ended up kicking her out.
>>
>>
> Well hey, they're in business to sell things. I'm sorry your wife got
> kicked out but at least she was warned first. I saw these same people
> doing this for about two weeks and, at least when I was there, not one
> employee said a word to them. It struck me as very odd.
>

It's not like she is holding a grudge. She told them she would have
bought their coffee if it tasted better. Back then their coffee was
horrible.

It usually surprises me that some places allow outside food. It happens
sometimes at the Tim Hortons stores around here. There are a few of them
near high schools and they come at lunch time. Some buy lunch, some buy
drinks and bring their lunch, and some just bring a lunch and sit with
their friends. I guess it is up to the store to decide if it is worth
alienating customers.

Our corner bakery/coffee shop has free wifi and there are several people
who really take advantage of that. There are two women in particular
who seem to telecommute and spend half the day in there, each one taking
a table for for, have laptops plugged into the wall sockets and are on
their cell phones. I have a hard enough time being patient when I am
subjected to loud one sided cell phone conversations, and I find it even
worse when they are business calls. They don't even restrict their table
hogging to off hours. One of them is pretty much guaranteed to be there
are lunch time, no matter how busy the place is.

The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
me, I would be changing the WiFi code.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 7:26:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-02-26 10:50 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/26/2017 9:54 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> >> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> >> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> >> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> >> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> >> the ended up kicking her out.
> >>
> >>
> > Well hey, they're in business to sell things. I'm sorry your wife got
> > kicked out but at least she was warned first. I saw these same people
> > doing this for about two weeks and, at least when I was there, not one
> > employee said a word to them. It struck me as very odd.
> >
>
> It's not like she is holding a grudge. She told them she would have
> bought their coffee if it tasted better. Back then their coffee was
> horrible.
>
> It usually surprises me that some places allow outside food. It happens
> sometimes at the Tim Hortons stores around here. There are a few of them
> near high schools and they come at lunch time. Some buy lunch, some buy
> drinks and bring their lunch, and some just bring a lunch and sit with
> their friends. I guess it is up to the store to decide if it is worth
> alienating customers.
>
> Our corner bakery/coffee shop has free wifi and there are several people
> who really take advantage of that. There are two women in particular
> who seem to telecommute and spend half the day in there, each one taking
> a table for for, have laptops plugged into the wall sockets and are on
> their cell phones. I have a hard enough time being patient when I am
> subjected to loud one sided cell phone conversations, and I find it even
> worse when they are business calls. They don't even restrict their table
> hogging to off hours. One of them is pretty much guaranteed to be there
> are lunch time, no matter how busy the place is.
>
> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
> whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
> me, I would be changing the WiFi code.

These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.

I live in a tourist vacation town. Almost every business here has free
wifi.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:58:09 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 7:26:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
>> whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
>> me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
>
>These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this service for their customers.

I'm guessing that, soon, you'll call McDonalds, tell them you want to
come over and they'll send a self-driving Google car to pick you up.

On 2017-02-26 12:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to
>> decide whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up.
>> If it were me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
>
> These days some places have to provide free WiFi to be competitive. I
> think that soon most businesses will be expected to provide this
> service for their customers.
>

There are pros and cons to having it. Some people expect it. Businesses
use it to attract customers, and if they use it wisely, extract some
information from it. If I were running a coffee shop I would have to
consider it carefully. I would not want all my tables for four or more
people taken up by single people using it as a desk to do their
business. I might try to limit the signal to an area with a bar or
smaller tables. I would also require a log in and set a time limit.
People in a coffee shop should not need more than 15-20 minutes to
drink their coffee and eat their food. Save the table spaces for paying
customers.

I gave the example of a woman who abuses the wifi at the local place.
She is there every day for several hours, even at lunch time when it is
busy. She takes up a table for four while groups of 2-3 have no where to
sit. She has a coffee or two while she is there. Meanwhile, there could
have been 4 or 5 parties of 2 or more using that table.

One of the reasons I seldom go into Starbucks in this area is because
there is typically nowhere to sit. Every table is taken, usually by a
single person with a laptop. It has happened so many times that I don't
even bother anymore. I might stop by if passing one, but I certainly
don't go out of my way to go to one.

On 2017-02-26 10:28 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Our corner bakery/coffee shop has free wifi and there are several people
> who really take advantage of that. There are two women in particular
> who seem to telecommute and spend half the day in there, each one taking
> a table for for, have laptops plugged into the wall sockets and are on
> their cell phones. I have a hard enough time being patient when I am
> subjected to loud one sided cell phone conversations, and I find it even
> worse when they are business calls. They don't even restrict their table
> hogging to off hours. One of them is pretty much guaranteed to be there
> are lunch time, no matter how busy the place is.
>
> The owner is a friend of mine and I suppose it is up to her to decide
> whether the amount they buy is worth the space they take up. If it were
> me, I would be changing the WiFi code.
>
One popular coffee bar here has free internet plug ins rather than wi-fi
and you have to buy something every hour to keep your place:-)

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2017-02-26 9:29 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 2/26/2017 9:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Many years ago when I was taking some classes to renew my ins. license
> > I'd stop at McD's for coffee and a McMuffin before heading to class. On
> > several occasions I saw the same four people come in and buy coffee
> > (free refills!) but they were brown-bagging it - they brought their own
> > food! You could have knocked me over with a feather. I am absolutely
> > amazed they weren't told to take their coffee and leave.
>
> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> the ended up kicking her out.

That's odd. Would think that as long as she buys something there, it
wouldn't be a problem.

On 2017-02-26 12:05 PM, Gary wrote:

>> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
>> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
>> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
>> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
>> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
>> the ended up kicking her out.
>
> That's odd. Would think that as long as she buys something there, it
> wouldn't be a problem.
>

That is the way she thought they should look at it. They were selling
her the eggs. She was bringing better coffee than McD sells. They ended
up selling her nothing. FWIW. even back then I questioned her about
eating McD's food. I had sworn off it years earlier. I had only had it a
few times and it was never a positive experience for me, but she said
the scrambled eggs were good.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 09:54:57 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> That is a surprise. My wife got kicked out of McDs for bringing in
> coffee. We were car pooling for a while and I started work earlier than
> she did, so she would drop me off and go for breakfast. She hated their
> coffee, so she would stop at Hortons to get coffee and them go to McDs
> for eggs. They told her several times not to but she kept doing it until
> the ended up kicking her out.

Good for them. They should have given her a trespassing warning and
arrested her the next time she did it. Thank you for that insight into
how much of a **** your wife really is.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>tert in seattle wrote:
>
>> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
>> is going on in there it tasted just like it looks.

It looks disgusting, why would a normal brained person buy such
crap...

>Locally that would cost $1.25. I can get a much better chicken sandwich
>in town, but it cost $7.95. You've probably heard "you get what you pay
>for". Cheap and fast.

For $8 I'd much rather buy 4 pounds of skinless boneless chicken
breasts, cook them myself and feed four hungry people... and know
what/who we're eating. Were I in a hurry and didn't feel like cooking
just about every stupidmarket sells whole rotisserie chickens for
$5... a much better deal than an $8 measly chicken sandwhich at a
restaurant in the high rent district plus you'd order some over priced
sides and bevrages and leave a tip, those two $8 chicken sandwiches
for two will cost you at least $40. I'd rather pick up a seven pound
roasting chicken for under $7 and at the same time roast a few spuds
to go with... fix a nice salad and with a couple decent drinkiepoos
I'd have two days great meals for two for say under $20.
Tonight's dinner is left overs from last night; ****ghetti n'
saw-seege w/homemade tomato sauce from the freezer. A good brand of
saw-seege (Gianelli) was on sale all last week so I stocked up with
ten 3 lb packages. Some major brand of pasta is always on sale,
Barilla was 99¢ a lb. Canned tomatoes are always on sale, in fact I
buy them by the case at BJs. I don't consider making a 16 qt pot of
sauce work... hardest labor is cranking the Swing-A-Way.
Sometimes I wonder where we're heading, wasn't twenty years ago pasta
cost 3 lb/$1, on sale 4 lbs/$1. I can remember when the local gin
mills served pasta and saw-seege to the regulars all they can eat for
free... draft beers were 5¢ and every 4th was on the house, you could
get a full belly and loaded for a buck.

On 2017-02-26 3:59 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> tert in seattle wrote:
>>
>>> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
>>> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
>>> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
>>> is going on in there it tasted just like it looks.
>
> It looks disgusting, why would a normal brained person buy such
> crap...
>
>> Locally that would cost $1.25. I can get a much better chicken sandwich
>> in town, but it cost $7.95. You've probably heard "you get what you pay
>> for". Cheap and fast.
>
> For $8 I'd much rather buy 4 pounds of skinless boneless chicken
> breasts, cook them myself and feed four hungry people... a

I'd like to get four pounds of skinless boneless chicken breasts for $8
too. Unfortunately, I am stuck here in the real world.

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 2:59:19 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >tert in seattle wrote:
> >
> >> here's what I got when I ordered a McChicken from the value menu
> >> http://ftupet.com/~tert/img/stuff/food/mcd/mcchx.jpg
> >> I left it at the high resolution so you can marvel at whatever the hell
> >> is going on in there it tasted just like it looks.
>
> It looks disgusting, why would a normal brained person buy such
> crap...
>
> >Locally that would cost $1.25. I can get a much better chicken sandwich
> >in town, but it cost $7.95. You've probably heard "you get what you pay
> >for". Cheap and fast.
>
> For $8 I'd much rather buy 4 pounds of skinless boneless chicken
> breasts, cook them myself and feed four hungry people... and know
> what/who we're eating. Were I in a hurry and didn't feel like cooking
> just about every stupidmarket sells whole rotisserie chickens for
> $5... a much better deal than an $8 measly chicken sandwhich at a
> restaurant in the high rent district plus you'd order some over priced
> sides and bevrages and leave a tip, those two $8 chicken sandwiches
> for two will cost you at least $40. I'd rather pick up a seven pound
> roasting chicken for under $7 and at the same time roast a few spuds
> to go with... fix a nice salad and with a couple decent drinkiepoos
> I'd have two days great meals for two for say under $20.
> Tonight's dinner is left overs from last night; ****ghetti n'
> saw-seege w/homemade tomato sauce from the freezer. A good brand of
> saw-seege (Gianelli) was on sale all last week so I stocked up with
> ten 3 lb packages. Some major brand of pasta is always on sale,
> Barilla was 99¢ a lb. Canned tomatoes are always on sale, in fact I
> buy them by the case at BJs. I don't consider making a 16 qt pot of
> sauce work... hardest labor is cranking the Swing-A-Way.
> Sometimes I wonder where we're heading, wasn't twenty years ago pasta
> cost 3 lb/$1, on sale 4 lbs/$1. I can remember when the local gin
> mills served pasta and saw-seege to the regulars all they can eat for
> free... draft beers were 5¢ and every 4th was on the house, you could
> get a full belly and loaded for a buck.

Have to agree with you here Sheldon! That's why I call them McCraps, and I hold McCraps as the bellwether of everything that's WRONG with FastFood, MOST of which is salty fatty sugar laden crappy swill!

John Kuthe...