cshenk > wrote:
> barbie gee wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, wrote:
>>
>>> Saw it today in the window of my local independent bookstore, then
>>> I flipped open today's New York Times and...
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/di...ion-food-squar
>>> e-meal-book.html
>>>
>>> By STEVEN KURUTZ AUG. 12, 2016
>>>
>>>
>>> First paragraphs:
>>>
>>> In March 1933, shortly after ascending to the presidency, Franklin
>>> Delano Roosevelt sat down to lunch in the Oval Office. A gourmand,
>>> President Roosevelt had a taste for fancy Fifth Avenue foods like
>>> pâté de foie gras and Maryland terrapin soup.
>>>
>>> His menu that day was more humble: deviled eggs in tomato sauce,
>>> mashed potatoes and, for dessert, prune pudding.
>>>
>>> ?It was an act of culinary solidarity with the people who were
>>> suffering,? Jane Ziegelman said. Her husband, Andrew Coe, added,
>>> ?It was also a message to Americans about how to eat.?
>>>
>>> The couple, who live in Brooklyn Heights, are food historians. Mr.
>>> Coe?s last book, ?Chop Suey,? was about Chinese cuisine in America,
>>> while Ms. Ziegelman told the story of life in a Lower East Side
>>> tenement through food in her book ?97 Orchard.?
>>>
>>> Their new, collaborative work, ?A Square Meal,? which will be
>>> published Tuesday by Harper, is a history of American food in the
>>> Great Depression. Showing some culinary solidarity of their own,
>>> they met a reporter for dinner at Eisenberg?s Sandwich Shop, a
>>> tiny, no-frills lunch counter in the Flatiron district that has
>>> been in business since the year of the crash, 1929.
>>>
>>> Ms. Ziegelman, 54, ordered a cream cheese and chopped olive
>>> sandwich, while Mr. Coe, 57, had the turkey, mashed potatoes and
>>> vegetable medley. When a reporter ordered meatloaf, the couple
>>> deemed it fitting for a discussion of Depression-era eating.
>>>
>>> ?Loaves were very popular,? Ms. Ziegelman said. ?There was peanut
>>> loaf, liver loaf, bean loaf. They were made from an ingredient and
>>> a cheap thing that stretches the ingredient out. Imagine eating
>>> enough peanuts to serve as your dinner.?...
>>>
>>>
>>> More than 100 comments so far.
>>
>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
>
> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
>

You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
Great Depression.

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jinx the minx

In article -
september.org>, says...
> >> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
> >> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
> >> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
> >
> > John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
> > depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
> >
>
> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
> Great Depression.

You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
are not the same thing.

Janet UK

Janet > wrote:
> In article -
> september.org>, says...
>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
>>>
>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
>>>
>>
>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
>> Great Depression.
>
> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
> are not the same thing.
>
> Janet UK
>
>
>

Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still
informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home
level.

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jinx the minx

On 8/20/2016 12:45 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> Janet > wrote:
>> In article -
>> september.org>, says...
>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
>>>>
>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
>>> Great Depression.
>>
>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
>> are not the same thing.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>>
>>
>
> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still
> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home
> level.
>
Citation, please, jinx.

There was no government rationing during the Depression in the United
States. People grew what they could, preserved what they could, shared
what they could. They ate very simple meals and stretched the
ingredients to feed their families.

My father was not lying when he said he and his siblings carried hot
baked potatoes in the winter to have for lunch at school. Grandma sent
them off with potatoes and a small packet of salt. Butter was scarce
but sometimes (Dad said) there was a knob of butter for the baked potatoes.

Jill

jmcquown > wrote:
> On 8/20/2016 12:45 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> Janet > wrote:
>>> In article -
>>> september.org>, says...
>>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
>>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
>>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
>>>>>
>>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
>>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
>>>> Great Depression.
>>>
>>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
>>> are not the same thing.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still
>> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home
>> level.
>>
> Citation, please, jinx.
>
> There was no government rationing during the Depression in the United
> States. People grew what they could, preserved what they could, shared
> what they could. They ate very simple meals and stretched the
> ingredients to feed their families.
>
> My father was not lying when he said he and his siblings carried hot
> baked potatoes in the winter to have for lunch at school. Grandma sent
> them off with potatoes and a small packet of salt. Butter was scarce
> but sometimes (Dad said) there was a knob of butter for the baked potatoes.
>
> Jill
>

I did not say there was government rationing during the depression.

--
jinx the minx

On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>
> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression.
>
When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful
with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something?

S Viemeister > wrote:
> On 8/20/2016 1:12 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>
>> I did not say there was government rationing during the depression.
>>
> When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful
> with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something?
>

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Making 1 pound of meat stretch to feed 6
people, or last more than one meal.

--
jinx the minx

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 13:39:07 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>When you use the word 'rationing', do you mean that people were careful
>with food and didn't waste anything? Or am I missing something?


during World War II, the US Government needed tanks and bombers to
kill the enemy, the car factories in Detroit were converted to war
production. My Grandfather purchased a new car just before they
stopped making them so the value of his car went so high that he sold
it and started walking. Foodstuffs were rationed so that the military
could supply the troops. You could only buy so much gas for your car
per week. The Army needed gas in their jeeps and trucks to pull
artillery across Europe to kill enemy forces. America had to build
296,000 warplanes to defeat her enemies. They shot down our planes and
we had to send more. It was terrible. Finally, they gave up.

William

In article <1890456931.493400481.445508.jinxminx2-
>, says...
>
> Janet > wrote:
> > In article -
> > september.org>, says...
> >>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
> >>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
> >>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
> >>>
> >>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
> >>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
> >> Great Depression.
> >
> > You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
> > are not the same thing.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
> >
>
> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still
> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home
> level.

Now you're confusing people in the Depression necessarily "making do
with less", with rationing.

There was nothing informal or local about food rationing; it was
compulsory and imposed on all, rich and poor.

Janet UK

Janet > wrote:
> In article <1890456931.493400481.445508.jinxminx2-
> >, says...
>>
>> Janet > wrote:
>>> In article -
>>> september.org>, says...
>>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
>>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
>>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
>>>>>
>>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
>>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
>>>> Great Depression.
>>>
>>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
>>> are not the same thing.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still
>> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home
>> level.
>
> Now you're confusing people in the Depression necessarily "making do
> with less", with rationing.
>
> There was nothing informal or local about food rationing; it was
> compulsory and imposed on all, rich and poor.
>
> Janet UK
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, except the OP wasn't talking about government formalized rationing.
She was talking about the rationing done as part of "making do" during the
Depression, which was done at home, in school lunch programs, through
breadlines, soup kitchens and other avenues of public food distribution,
etc. Because it wasn't imposed uniformly on all by the government doesn't
make it any less "rationing". Perhaps "enjoying their rations" as the OP
stated wasn't the most apt terminology since she wasn't talking about
rations received through a government stamp program, but I understood what
was meant.

--
jinx the minx

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-4, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> Janet > wrote:
> > In article <1890456931.493400481.445508.jinxminx2-
> > >, says...
> >>
> >> Janet > wrote:
> >>> In article -
> >>> september.org>, says...
> >>>>>> I heard something about Depression Era cooking on NPR recently, but
> >>>>>> it seemed that the recipes were really bland and sad.
> >>>>>> They didn't want people "enjoying" their rations too much...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John, rationing was during wartime. There was no rationing in the USA
> >>>>> depression, just a lack of funds and jobs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You are incorrect. There most definitely was food rationing during the
> >>>> Great Depression.
> >>>
> >>> You're confusing shortages and poverty with govt food rationing. They
> >>> are not the same thing.
> >>>
> >>> Janet UK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Regardless of any formalized government rationing system there was still
> >> informal rationing that was done even if only done at the local or home
> >> level.
> >
> > Now you're confusing people in the Depression necessarily "making do
> > with less", with rationing.
> >
> > There was nothing informal or local about food rationing; it was
> > compulsory and imposed on all, rich and poor.
> >
> > Janet UK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yes, except the OP wasn't talking about government formalized rationing.
> She was talking about the rationing done as part of "making do" during the
> Depression, which was done at home, in school lunch programs, through
> breadlines, soup kitchens and other avenues of public food distribution,
> etc. Because it wasn't imposed uniformly on all by the government doesn't
> make it any less "rationing". Perhaps "enjoying their rations" as the OP
> stated wasn't the most apt terminology since she wasn't talking about
> rations received through a government stamp program, but I understood what
> was meant.

I ration my chocolate. Half an ounce after dinner.

Cindy Hamilton