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On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. |
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On 16/06/2016 9:01 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:34:26 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > > Read the reviews for any wine and everybody describes it differently > using a bunch of pompous words and phrases that ultimately mean > nothing - just a bunch of gobblety gook. > > Every time I read a wordy wine review I want to punch the person in > the face. > > -sw > Sometimes they read like the recipe for a fruit salad! I've seen comparisons mentioning "black raspberry" and wonder if that is so different to the red raspberry in others, similarly for black cherry versus red and "green apple' and "yellow plum". "Notes of cola" - well I've never drunk a coke or pepsi in my life and I've never smoked so "notes of tobacco leaf" are also out. Graham |
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On 6/16/2016 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >> >> > > > Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of > vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. Sounds like it would be terribly sweet. I don't drink sweet wines. Or red wines. Jill |
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On 6/16/2016 11:20 AM, l not -l wrote:
> On 16-Jun-2016, Dave Smith > wrote: > >> On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >>> >>> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >>> >> >> >> Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of >> vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. > I prefer strawberry to black fruit; I'll have a glass of Boone's Farm > please. 8-) > LOL ![]() Jill |
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![]() "jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 6/16/2016 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >> On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >>> >>> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >>> >>> >> >> >> Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of >> vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. > > Sounds like it would be terribly sweet. I don't drink sweet wines. Or > red wines. > > Jill I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() Cheri |
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jmcquown wrote:
> > On 6/16/2016 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote: > > On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> > >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > >> > >> > > > > > > Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of > > vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. > > Sounds like it would be terribly sweet. I don't drink sweet wines. Or > red wines. I like dry white wines. For red, Merlot is pretty good. To cook with, any works well for me. To drink and maybe mix, I buy the cheap stuff. Even if it's bad, it all tastes good after a couple of drinks. I'm not picky. ![]() |
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On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 7:34:41 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb I never spend any of MY money at MalWart, ever!! If YOU do, then YOU are part of the problem!! I buy most of my wine from any of several online wine merchants. Nothing like getting an entire case of different reds delivered to my door! I use it mostly for cooking, but it's nice to have a case in the basement to grab a bottle or two to take to festivities! John Kuthe... |
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Cheri wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote: > >http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > >>I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() I don't care much for wines of any kind either... the only wine I buy is a bottle of bubbly to bring in a new year, only because it's traditional. I prefer hard liquor, usually vodka or gin cocktails. For cooking I use beer, I think wine ruins a good piece of meat, I braise beef roasts in beer/ale often, I think a pork shoulder is wonderful braised in dark beer, country style ribs too... now I'm in the mood for pot roast cooked in beer but it'll have to wait for cooler weather. Even beer braised tube steak is good, kielbasa too. |
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[my experience] Trader Joe's has the best inexpensive wine
for $2.50 [Charles Shaw] Merlot & Chardonnay marc |
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![]() "Brooklyn1" > wrote in message news ![]() > Cheri wrote: >>Brooklyn1 wrote: >> >>http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >> >>>I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() > > I don't care much for wines of any kind either... the only wine I buy > is a bottle of bubbly to bring in a new year, only because it's > traditional. I prefer hard liquor, usually vodka or gin cocktails. > For cooking I use beer, I think wine ruins a good piece of meat, I > braise beef roasts in beer/ale often, I think a pork shoulder is > wonderful braised in dark beer, country style ribs too... now I'm in > the mood for pot roast cooked in beer but it'll have to wait for > cooler weather. Even beer braised tube steak is good, kielbasa too. Like you, I use beer or stock in place of wine. I like a cocktail with hard liquor as well, and also an occasional Guinness. I was reading a book not long ago where the character told someone that "there are two kinds of people in the world, wine drinkers and beer drinkers, in other words assholes or beer drinkers." I had to laugh, though I don't agree with it. Cheri |
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On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. |
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On 6/16/2016 5:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... >> On 6/16/2016 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >>> On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >>>> >>>> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of >>> vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. >> >> Sounds like it would be terribly sweet. I don't drink sweet wines. >> Or red wines. >> >> Jill > > I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() > > Cheri I don't drink alcohol because I'm allergic to the stuff. I can certainly taste wine though in order to make real what I've heard about the taste of wines. The last wine I tasted was pretty good, sweet and grapey - like the stuff I had when I was in my early twenties. The other people at the table didn't think much of it - too cheap. |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:10:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >> > >All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste >wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. By the price... like the emporer's new clothes, they're ascared to say a high priced wine is lousy. I've always maintained and still do that no wine on the planet is worth more than a buck a glass, it's all fermented grape juice... worth no more than a sour pickle or a cup of kraut. The most costly part of a bottle of ANY wine is its bottle, cork, label, transportation, and advertizing... the wine itself has no real intrinsic value, no more value than rotting fruit. The different wine flavors have no more value over each other than the different flavors of jellybeans.... should grape jellybeans cost more than orange jellybeans? |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:15:57 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:
>On 6/16/2016 5:34 AM, Cheri wrote: >> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 6/16/2016 9:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote: >>>> On 2016-06-16 8:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hmm... taste described as freshly crushed black fruit and hints of >>>> vanilla yogurt. Nuff said. >>> >>> Sounds like it would be terribly sweet. I don't drink sweet wines. >>> Or red wines. >>> >>> Jill >> >> I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() >> >> Cheri > >I don't drink alcohol because I'm allergic to the stuff. I can certainly >taste wine though in order to make real what I've heard about the taste >of wines. The last wine I tasted was pretty good, sweet and grapey - >like the stuff I had when I was in my early twenties. The other people >at the table didn't think much of it - too cheap. Too cheap, precisely my point... see my recent post on this topic. |
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On 6/16/2016 11:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() > > Cheri Taste varies. I rarely drink beer (except with pizza), but we have wine two or three times a week. I don't pay more than $15 a bottle as there are plenty of wines for that or less. I like a G & T or a bourbon on occasion. Very rare that I ever have more than one drink in a day. |
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![]() "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 6/16/2016 11:34 AM, Cheri wrote: >> > >> I don't really drink any wine as a rule. Just don't care much for it. ![]() >> >> Cheri > > Taste varies. I rarely drink beer (except with pizza), but we have wine > two or three times a week. I don't pay more than $15 a bottle as there > are plenty of wines for that or less. > > I like a G & T or a bourbon on occasion. Very rare that I ever have more > than one drink in a day. Yep, tastes do vary. Cheri |
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On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:10:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote: > > >On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> > >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > >> > > > >All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste > >wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. > > By the price... like the emporer's new clothes, they're ascared to say > a high priced wine is lousy. I've always maintained and still do that > no wine on the planet is worth more than a buck a glass, it's all > fermented grape juice... worth no more than a sour pickle or a cup of > kraut. The most costly part of a bottle of ANY wine is its bottle, > cork, label, transportation, and advertizing... the wine itself has no > real intrinsic value, no more value than rotting fruit. The different > wine flavors have no more value over each other than the different > flavors of jellybeans.... should grape jellybeans cost more than > orange jellybeans? That sounds about right. Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs because the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them look like fools. Now please excuse me, I have to go kill myself. |
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![]() "dsi1" > wrote in message ... > On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:10:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote: >> >> >On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> >> >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >> >> >> > >> >All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste >> >wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. >> >> By the price... like the emporer's new clothes, they're ascared to say >> a high priced wine is lousy. I've always maintained and still do that >> no wine on the planet is worth more than a buck a glass, it's all >> fermented grape juice... worth no more than a sour pickle or a cup of >> kraut. The most costly part of a bottle of ANY wine is its bottle, >> cork, label, transportation, and advertizing... the wine itself has no >> real intrinsic value, no more value than rotting fruit. The different >> wine flavors have no more value over each other than the different >> flavors of jellybeans.... should grape jellybeans cost more than >> orange jellybeans? > > That sounds about right. Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine > connoisseurs because the price of wine has little to do with the taste and > it make them look like fools. Now please excuse me, I have to go kill > myself. I would be very happy if you didn't! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ |
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dsi1 wrote:
> > Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs because > the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them > look like fools. LOL! For sure. "Has a nice fruity taste with a hint of mischief." Then it turns out to be Boone's Farm Strawberry wine. lol Back in the mid 1970's I hosted a New Years Eve party. We were all drinking the cheap champagne - like $3 a bottle. Then our richie-rich friend showed up with a $100 bottle of Dom Perignon champagne swiped from his dad's wine cellar. We all got to taste and 100% agreed that the cheap stuff tasted better. Go figure. I've done blind taste tests twice here on my own. Once was root beer. I bought 5 kinds and picked "Dad's Root Beer" as the winner. A&W came in second. Then I did one between worcestershire sauce. L&P and Frenchs. I was surprised that the French's won. The L&P had a very weird sweet taste compared to the French's more salty taste. This was about 2 years ago. I think L&P has changed their recipe. I did read a mention about that once. It also mentioned that they sell different versions in the USA vs the UK. Anyway, I always bought L&P until I did that taste test. Now I just buy Everyday essential generic. You know it's made by one of those companies. My guess is French's |
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On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 12:56:15 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1om> wrote in message > ... > > On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:10:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote: > >> > >> >On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> >> > >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > >> >> > >> > > >> >All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste > >> >wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. > >> > >> By the price... like the emporer's new clothes, they're ascared to say > >> a high priced wine is lousy. I've always maintained and still do that > >> no wine on the planet is worth more than a buck a glass, it's all > >> fermented grape juice... worth no more than a sour pickle or a cup of > >> kraut. The most costly part of a bottle of ANY wine is its bottle, > >> cork, label, transportation, and advertizing... the wine itself has no > >> real intrinsic value, no more value than rotting fruit. The different > >> wine flavors have no more value over each other than the different > >> flavors of jellybeans.... should grape jellybeans cost more than > >> orange jellybeans? > > > > That sounds about right. Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine > > connoisseurs because the price of wine has little to do with the taste and > > it make them look like fools. Now please excuse me, I have to go kill > > myself. > > I would be very happy if you didn't! > > -- > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/ ![]() |
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On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 1:27:57 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > > > > Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs because > > the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them > > look like fools. > > LOL! For sure. "Has a nice fruity taste with a hint of mischief." > Then it turns out to be Boone's Farm Strawberry wine. lol > > Back in the mid 1970's I hosted a New Years Eve party. > We were all drinking the cheap champagne - like $3 a bottle. > Then our richie-rich friend showed up with a $100 bottle of > Dom Perignon champagne swiped from his dad's wine cellar. > We all got to taste and 100% agreed that the cheap stuff > tasted better. Go figure. > > I've done blind taste tests twice here on my own. > Once was root beer. I bought 5 kinds and picked "Dad's Root Beer" > as the winner. A&W came in second. > > Then I did one between worcestershire sauce. L&P and Frenchs. > I was surprised that the French's won. The L&P had a very weird > sweet taste compared to the French's more salty taste. > This was about 2 years ago. I think L&P has changed their recipe. > I did read a mention about that once. It also mentioned that > they sell different versions in the USA vs the UK. > Anyway, I always bought L&P until I did that taste test. > Now I just buy Everyday essential generic. You know it's > made by one of those companies. My guess is French's In these taste tests, ignorance is bliss. It strips away all expectations and marketing hype. I'll have to try Dad's Root Beer but they may not sell that one here. |
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On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:27:57 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote: > > > > Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs because > > the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them > > look like fools. > > LOL! For sure. "Has a nice fruity taste with a hint of mischief." > Then it turns out to be Boone's Farm Strawberry wine. lol > > Back in the mid 1970's I hosted a New Years Eve party. > We were all drinking the cheap champagne - like $3 a bottle. > Then our richie-rich friend showed up with a $100 bottle of > Dom Perignon champagne swiped from his dad's wine cellar. > We all got to taste and 100% agreed that the cheap stuff > tasted better. Go figure. .... That can happen!! But not always!! John Kuthe... |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 03:02:55 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:10:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote: >> >> >On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: >> >> >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb >> >> >> > >> >All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste >> >wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. >> >> By the price... like the emporer's new clothes, they're ascared to say >> a high priced wine is lousy. I've always maintained and still do that >> no wine on the planet is worth more than a buck a glass, it's all >> fermented grape juice... worth no more than a sour pickle or a cup of >> kraut. The most costly part of a bottle of ANY wine is its bottle, >> cork, label, transportation, and advertizing... the wine itself has no >> real intrinsic value, no more value than rotting fruit. The different >> wine flavors have no more value over each other than the different >> flavors of jellybeans.... should grape jellybeans cost more than >> orange jellybeans? > >That sounds about right. Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs >because the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them look >like fools. Have you ever noticed that most all tasting experts are senior citizens... humans never have more taste buds than at birth (they run half way down the esophagus) which they immediately begin to lose until by age 30 half are gone and by age fifty 75% are gone... and teh sense of smell deteriorates even more rapidly. A fifty year old blind taste testing wine couldn't tell a CA Zin from a Mogan David Concord. Taste testing is purely a marketing ploy... better than 50% of all people on the planet are afflicted with TIAD. Four legged critters have a far better sense of taste and smell... I bought a 36 can case of Fancy Feast Seafood Classic yesterday, none of my cats indoor or outdoor would eat any, they all took a whiff and walked away looking very annoyed... I tried all three flavors with the same results. It all looked like any other and smelled the same, no, I didn't taste any. I phoned Purina to complain, they appologized and will be sending me a check for $19.99. |
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On 2016-06-17 2:40 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 03:02:55 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > >> That sounds about right. Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs >> because the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them look >> like fools. > > Have you ever noticed that most all tasting experts are senior > citizens... humans never have more taste buds than at birth (they run > half way down the esophagus) which they immediately begin to lose > until by age 30 half are gone and by age fifty 75% are gone. No. I never noticed that all the tasting experts are senior citizens. I have a good friend in the wine business and has been into wine in a big way since he was in his 20s. ... and teh > sense of smell deteriorates even more rapidly. A fifty year old blind > taste testing wine couldn't tell a CA Zin from a Mogan David Concord. You might not be able to tell the difference, but many people can. |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:28:45 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>dsi1 wrote: >> >> Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs because >> the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them >> look like fools. > >LOL! For sure. "Has a nice fruity taste with a hint of mischief." >Then it turns out to be Boone's Farm Strawberry wine. lol > >Back in the mid 1970's I hosted a New Years Eve party. >We were all drinking the cheap champagne - like $3 a bottle. >Then our richie-rich friend showed up with a $100 bottle of >Dom Perignon champagne swiped from his dad's wine cellar. >We all got to taste and 100% agreed that the cheap stuff >tasted better. Go figure. > >I've done blind taste tests twice here on my own. >Once was root beer. I bought 5 kinds and picked "Dad's Root Beer" >as the winner. A&W came in second. I was given a bottle of Dom P as a gift. Nice, but I'd not spend a quarter of that for it. I do tasting of things like that at times too. Price is definitely not the deciding factor for what we like. Price depends on where you buy things too. We were in a fancy shop near us and they had a balsamic vinegar for $20 a bottle. I did not want to spend tat for something I had no idea of the taste. Later that day I bought the same exact bottle at the supermarket for $4.99. |
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On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 8:41:00 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 03:02:55 -0700 (PDT), dsiom> > wrote: > > >On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:10:11 -1000, dsi1 > wrote: > >> > >> >On 6/16/2016 2:34 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote: > >> >> > >> >> http://fortune.com/2016/06/14/wine-c...htmlws-main-bb > >> >> > >> > > >> >All wines should be tasted blindly. My guess is that most people taste > >> >wine with their eyes i.e., by reading the label. > >> > >> By the price... like the emporer's new clothes, they're ascared to say > >> a high priced wine is lousy. I've always maintained and still do that > >> no wine on the planet is worth more than a buck a glass, it's all > >> fermented grape juice... worth no more than a sour pickle or a cup of > >> kraut. The most costly part of a bottle of ANY wine is its bottle, > >> cork, label, transportation, and advertizing... the wine itself has no > >> real intrinsic value, no more value than rotting fruit. The different > >> wine flavors have no more value over each other than the different > >> flavors of jellybeans.... should grape jellybeans cost more than > >> orange jellybeans? > > > >That sounds about right. Blind taste tests are a scary thing for wine connoisseurs > >because the price of wine has little to do with the taste and it make them look > >like fools. > > Have you ever noticed that most all tasting experts are senior > citizens... humans never have more taste buds than at birth (they run > half way down the esophagus) which they immediately begin to lose > until by age 30 half are gone and by age fifty 75% are gone... and teh > sense of smell deteriorates even more rapidly. A fifty year old blind > taste testing wine couldn't tell a CA Zin from a Mogan David Concord. > Taste testing is purely a marketing ploy... better than 50% of all > people on the planet are afflicted with TIAD. Four legged critters > have a far better sense of taste and smell... I bought a 36 can case > of Fancy Feast Seafood Classic yesterday, none of my cats indoor or > outdoor would eat any, they all took a whiff and walked away looking > very annoyed... I tried all three flavors with the same results. It > all looked like any other and smelled the same, no, I didn't taste > any. I phoned Purina to complain, they appologized and will be > sending me a check for $19.99. http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...ience-analysis |
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