Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
vegans riot. Whatta riot!

<http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>

nb

On 6 May 2016 19:29:20 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>
> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>
The owners were vegetarians for 40 years, vegans since 2003, and now
they've moved on. So what? They're eating meat, not selling it.
Cafe Gratitude and Gracias Madre haven't changed. Customers have a
choice: eat there or eat elsewhere; but they don't get to run the
owners private life.

--

sf

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>
> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>
> nb

The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.

On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>>
>> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>>
>> nb
>
> The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
>

Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!

On Sat, 7 May 2016 10:00:26 -0600, Cielo Azul > wrote:

> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> >> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> >> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
> >>
> >> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
> >
>
> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!

Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.

--

sf

On 5/7/2016 1:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2016 10:00:26 -0600, Cielo Azul > wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>>>> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>>>> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
>>>
>>
>> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!
>
> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.

Very true.

> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.

This is a beneficial technology at precisely the right time for aging
boomers.

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 6:00:33 AM UTC-10, Cielo Azul wrote:
> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> >> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> >> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
> >>
> >> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
> >
>
> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!

New technology always brings new opportunities for vice. Self-driving cars will be seen as moving bars, motels, brothels, and a place where you can do stuff without people bothering you.

On 2016-05-07 3:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2016 10:00:26 -0600, Cielo Azul > wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>>>> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>>>> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
>>>
>>
>> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!
>
> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>

A real hazard on the roads is old people. Quite seriously. I have
copies of Road Safety reports with stats on crash parameters and the
scary one is the one that graphs the crashes per 100,000 km by gender
and age group. Those rates start rising when people are in their 50's,
rise faster for the 60s' and by 80 the rates are skyrocketing.

Another issue is cell phone use. Hands free is only slightly less of a
problem and hand held. Those people are right up there with the drunks
for crashes.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2016-05-07 3:50 PM, sf wrote:

> > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
> >
>
> A real hazard on the roads is old people. Quite seriously. I have
> copies of Road Safety reports with stats on crash parameters and the
> scary one is the one that graphs the crashes per 100,000 km by gender
> and age group. Those rates start rising when people are in their 50's,
> rise faster for the 60s' and by 80 the rates are skyrocketing.

I wouldn't be surprised if 75 year olds were much safer drivers than 18
year old males.

On 5/7/2016 4:29 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 2016-05-07 3:50 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
>>> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
>>> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
>>> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
>>> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>>>
>>
>> A real hazard on the roads is old people. Quite seriously. I have
>> copies of Road Safety reports with stats on crash parameters and the
>> scary one is the one that graphs the crashes per 100,000 km by gender
>> and age group. Those rates start rising when people are in their 50's,
>> rise faster for the 60s' and by 80 the rates are skyrocketing.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if 75 year olds were much safer drivers than 18
> year old males.
>

The statistics however would be.

Try familiarizing yourself with them before popping off again:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810853.pdf

The result of 11-year data analysis also indicated the
age group under 16 steadily declined not only in fatalities
but also in fatality rate, whereas the 51-to-55 age
group had the highest increase in fatalities among
both genders. The over-65 age group had the highest
number of fatalities followed by the 16-to-20 age group
among females.
In addition, the 46-to-50 age group among males had
the greatest increase in fatality rate. Three age groups,
16 to 20, 21 to 25, and over 65, had more crash fatalities
than other age groups among males.

In article >, lid says...

Oh and from now on, it's not Bruce unless it's been posted with Gravity
via News.Individual.net.

On 5/7/2016 4:40 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, lid says...
>
> Oh and from now on, it's not Bruce unless it's been posted with Gravity
> via News.Individual.net.
>

Boo!

On 5/7/2016 6:33 PM, Bruce wrote:

> http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810853.pdf
>
> The result of 11-year data analysis also indicated the
> age group under 16 steadily declined not only in fatalities
> but also in fatality rate, whereas the 51-to-55 age
> group had the highest increase in fatalities among
> both genders. The over-65 age group had the highest
> number of fatalities followed by the 16-to-20 age group
> among females.
> In addition, the 46-to-50 age group among males had
> the greatest increase in fatality rate. Three age groups,
> 16 to 20, 21 to 25, and over 65, had more crash fatalities
> than other age groups among males.


Would be interesting to see what the causes are. Typically young
drivers take chances and drive fast, older drivers have slower
reactions, but times have changed. Today we are likely to have
distractions from cell phones and eating a burger from the drive through.

sf wrote:
>
> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.

Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
move on.

Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
age group.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:00:08 AM UTC-6, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> sf wrote:
> >
> > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>
> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
> number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
> before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
> driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
> wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
> move on.
>
> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
> age group.

Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
====

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-10, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> sf wrote:
> >
> > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>
> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
> number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
> before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
> driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
> wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
> move on.
>
> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
> age group.

I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far as I know, robots don't need much sleep.

My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road. I'm inclined to believe him.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 6:16:48 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:00:08 AM UTC-6, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > sf wrote:
> > >
> > > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
> >
> > Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
> > number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
> > before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
> > driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
> > wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
> > move on.
> >
> > Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
> > age group.
>
> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
> ====

Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.

I think I've got you figured out, Aloha-Boy. When you were young, you
watched all episodes of "The Jetsons." We're getting there quickly and
you're loving it. Right? heheh PS- I loved that show. I actually do
have a picture of the Jetsons on my dash. It's been there for years
and all the colors are faded now.

So do you work for Spacely Sprockets or is it Cogswell Cogs? My guess
is that you are a dentist. Did I win?

:-D

On 2016-05-09 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-10, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to
>>> think. Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to
>>> see creaky old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes
>>> behind the wheel - but they want to remain independent, so
>>> driverless cars are the way to go. Even Lyft will be
>>> experimenting with the concept.
>>
>> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out
>> their number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure
>> 10ish years before I see them most days, 20ish years before most
>> vehicles are driver less. There is still a career in truck driving
>> for anyone who wants to not be at home, though the field will
>> wither as the years move on.
>>
>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
>> human age group.
>
> I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven
> without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far
> as I know, robots don't need much sleep.
>
> My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for
> these big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the
> road. I'm inclined to believe him.

There are some credible driving schools. Schools can teach you a lot of
stuff about safe driving, about weight distribution, stopping distances,
air brake systems and gear shift patterns. The biggest problems most
truck drivers have are the stress of keeping on schedule and dealing
with the monotony. They work strange hours and run into a lot of bad
traffic.

There is also the problem of every increasing vehicle dimensions.
Trailers us to be shorter and more manageable. Now most of them are
53ft. They are less maneuverable in city streets and they have a
tendency to jack knife. It takes the air in the braking system longer to
reach the back brakes than it does for the tractor's brakes, so when
they have to brake hard the tractor brakes come on and there is a
slight lag for the trailer brakes. Meanwhile, the tail is wagging the
dog. The trailer is trying to maintain speed while the tractor is
slowing, so it tries to pass.

On 5/9/2016 11:15 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-10, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
>>> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
>>> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
>>> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
>>> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>>
>> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
>> number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
>> before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
>> driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
>> wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
>> move on.
>>
>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
>> age group.
>
> I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far as I know, robots don't need much sleep.

An excellent idea, and no worries about whites, lot lizards, or
speedballing the picket fence...

> My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road. I'm inclined to believe him.

Let me agree with that 100%.

The past three years we've called in several clueless truck driver
trainees each summer to their dispatchers.

The response is always good and many times they have had a LOT of calls
on a given driver.

It's getting really frightening out there on the interstates.

On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:

>>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
>>> age group.
>>
>> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
>> ====
>
> Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually
> happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will
> change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.
>

The old farts hate that!

On 5/9/2016 11:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.
>
> I think I've got you figured out, Aloha-Boy. When you were young, you
> watched all episodes of "The Jetsons." We're getting there quickly and
> you're loving it. Right? heheh PS- I loved that show. I actually do
> have a picture of the Jetsons on my dash. It's been there for years
> and all the colors are faded now.
>
> So do you work for Spacely Sprockets or is it Cogswell Cogs? My guess
> is that you are a dentist. Did I win?
>
> :-D
>

I wager he is NOT a dentist!

Do I win?

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:13:19 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-09 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-10, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >> sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to
> >>> think. Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to
> >>> see creaky old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes
> >>> behind the wheel - but they want to remain independent, so
> >>> driverless cars are the way to go. Even Lyft will be
> >>> experimenting with the concept.
> >>
> >> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out
> >> their number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure
> >> 10ish years before I see them most days, 20ish years before most
> >> vehicles are driver less. There is still a career in truck driving
> >> for anyone who wants to not be at home, though the field will
> >> wither as the years move on.
> >>
> >> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
> >> human age group.
> >
> > I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven
> > without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far
> > as I know, robots don't need much sleep.
> >
> > My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for
> > these big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the
> > road. I'm inclined to believe him.
>
> There are some credible driving schools. Schools can teach you a lot of
> stuff about safe driving, about weight distribution, stopping distances,
> air brake systems and gear shift patterns. The biggest problems most
> truck drivers have are the stress of keeping on schedule and dealing
> with the monotony. They work strange hours and run into a lot of bad
> traffic.
>
> There is also the problem of every increasing vehicle dimensions.
> Trailers us to be shorter and more manageable. Now most of them are
> 53ft. They are less maneuverable in city streets and they have a
> tendency to jack knife. It takes the air in the braking system longer to
> reach the back brakes than it does for the tractor's brakes, so when
> they have to brake hard the tractor brakes come on and there is a
> slight lag for the trailer brakes. Meanwhile, the tail is wagging the
> dog. The trailer is trying to maintain speed while the tractor is
> slowing, so it tries to pass.

That's what they're supposed to be teaching you in school. My brother-in-law said the school he went to were putting unqualified drivers out on the road. He said we should be afraid. He demanded a refund and got out of it.

OTOH, my brother tends to be a disruptive guy. He worked on a building construction site that for some reason, he considered unsafe so he quit and got out of there. The whole building collapsed shortly afterwards - killing a lot of workers. It's a famous video. Well, at least I know that he was dead right at least one time.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:50:51 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.
>
> I think I've got you figured out, Aloha-Boy. When you were young, you
> watched all episodes of "The Jetsons." We're getting there quickly and
> you're loving it. Right? heheh PS- I loved that show. I actually do
> have a picture of the Jetsons on my dash. It's been there for years
> and all the colors are faded now.
>
> So do you work for Spacely Sprockets or is it Cogswell Cogs? My guess
> is that you are a dentist. Did I win?
>
> :-D

People that have some vision are always mocked by people like you. And the beat goes on.

On 2016-05-09, Orographic > wrote:

> It's getting really frightening out there on the interstates.

A lot of it is cultural, particularly by Indian (Hindu) drivers. I've
had immigrant gravel truck drivers try and run me off the road cuz I
tried to pass them or do something else they don't like. It's a good
thing there is no concealed carry in CA.

I suspect it comes from old-world driving habits. I've seen bus/truck
drivers in Africa. They own the road and they know it, so smaller
vehicles are purposely intimidated and/or run off the road. They come
over here and think they can still pull that crap. NOT!

nb

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
> >>> age group.
> >>
> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
> >> ====
> >
> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually
> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will
> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.
> >
>
> The old farts hate that!

I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to happen. My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last week or so.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:19:54 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 11:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see real chaos. This actually happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're disruptive technology that will change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago. This is merely part two.
> >
> > I think I've got you figured out, Aloha-Boy. When you were young, you
> > watched all episodes of "The Jetsons." We're getting there quickly and
> > you're loving it. Right? heheh PS- I loved that show. I actually do
> > have a picture of the Jetsons on my dash. It's been there for years
> > and all the colors are faded now.
> >
> > So do you work for Spacely Sprockets or is it Cogswell Cogs? My guess
> > is that you are a dentist. Did I win?
> >
> > :-D
> >
>
> I wager he is NOT a dentist!
>
> Do I win?

I sure wish I was a dentist - then I could make some real money for a change! OTOH, I don't like the idea of sticking my face near anybody's mouth so that might be a problem...

On 5/9/2016 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far as I know, robots don't need much sleep.
>

Railroads have made a comeback for that reason.


> My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road. I'm inclined to believe him.
>

That may be true, but some formal training is needed for new drivers.
If he is critical he must have offered a better idea?

On 5/9/2016 3:30 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 1:15 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven
>> without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far
>> as I know, robots don't need much sleep.
>>
>
> Railroads have made a comeback for that reason.
>
>
>> My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these
>> big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road.
>> I'm inclined to believe him.
>>
>
> That may be true, but some formal training is needed for new drivers. If
> he is critical he must have offered a better idea?

You mean by starting his own driving school or ratting to the state or
feds? That don't sound too practical.

My brother-in-law saw that the school he was enrolled in passed drivers
that were unqualified, so he dropped out of the class on general
principle. Hopefully, he got his $2,000 back. As far as I'm concerned
all that does not matter. What matters is that there are truckers out
there that are learning to drive on the job. Thank God we don't have to
worry about this on our tiny rock. You should be concerned through.

On 5/9/2016 10:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>>
>>
>>> My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these
>>> big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road.
>>> I'm inclined to believe him.
>>>
>>
>> That may be true, but some formal training is needed for new drivers. If
>> he is critical he must have offered a better idea?
>
> You mean by starting his own driving school or ratting to the state or
> feds? That don't sound too practical.
>
> My brother-in-law saw that the school he was enrolled in passed drivers
> that were unqualified, so he dropped out of the class on general
> principle. Hopefully, he got his $2,000 back. As far as I'm concerned
> all that does not matter. What matters is that there are truckers out
> there that are learning to drive on the job. Thank God we don't have to
> worry about this on our tiny rock. You should be concerned through.

You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.

I never checked the credentials of the schools but surely some are just
interested in the money.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 5/9/2016 10:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
> >>> My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these
> >>> big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road.
> >>> I'm inclined to believe him.
> >>>
> >>
> >> That may be true, but some formal training is needed for new drivers. If
> >> he is critical he must have offered a better idea?
> >
> > You mean by starting his own driving school or ratting to the state or
> > feds? That don't sound too practical.
> >
> > My brother-in-law saw that the school he was enrolled in passed drivers
> > that were unqualified, so he dropped out of the class on general
> > principle. Hopefully, he got his $2,000 back. As far as I'm concerned
> > all that does not matter. What matters is that there are truckers out
> > there that are learning to drive on the job. Thank God we don't have to
> > worry about this on our tiny rock. You should be concerned through.
>
> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.

Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
and everything in between. Right?

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
>> >>> human
>> >>> age group.
>> >>
>> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have
>> >> chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
>> >> ====
>> >
>> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see
>> > real chaos. This actually
>> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're
>> > disruptive technology that will
>> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago.
>> > This is merely part two.
>> >
>>
>> The old farts hate that!
>
> I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to happen.
> My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last week or
> so.

Here you go MrD! Something to cheer you up)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-year.html

Enjoy


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On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>
> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> and everything in between. Right?
>

Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> >>
> >> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
> >> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
> >> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
> >
> > Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> > and everything in between. Right?
> >
>
> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.

But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
old days were? Right now!

On 5/9/2016 10:22 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>
> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> and everything in between. Right?
>

Many things were, why does that perturb you?

On 5/10/2016 5:16 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>
>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
>> and everything in between. Right?
>>
>
> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.

Routinely, and oft times more, yes.

On 5/10/2016 5:20 AM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>>
>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
>>> and everything in between. Right?
>>>
>>
>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>
> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> old days were? Right now!
>

They'll only be right if mankind keeps devolving as we are now.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:39:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
> >> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
> >> >>> human
> >> >>> age group.
> >> >>
> >> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have
> >> >> chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
> >> >> ====
> >> >
> >> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to see
> >> > real chaos. This actually
> >> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're
> >> > disruptive technology that will
> >> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago.
> >> > This is merely part two.
> >> >
> >>
> >> The old farts hate that!
> >
> > I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to happen.
> > My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last week or
> > so.
>
> Here you go MrD! Something to cheer you up)
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-year.html
>
> Enjoy
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

That was enjoyable. In the future, driving a car manually will be seen as an incredibly difficult task. Come to think of it, it is!

http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaki...he-restaurant/

Bruce wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
> > >> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
> > >> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
> > >
> > > Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> > > and everything in between. Right?
> > >
> >
> > Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>
> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> old days were? Right now!

Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.

I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
back then.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
> > > >> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
> > > >> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
> > > >
> > > > Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> > > > and everything in between. Right?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
> >
> > But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> > that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> > old days were? Right now!
>
> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
>
> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
> back then.

It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.

I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy it while you can.