Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
vegans riot. Whatta riot!

<http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>

nb

On 6 May 2016 19:29:20 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>
> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>
The owners were vegetarians for 40 years, vegans since 2003, and now
they've moved on. So what? They're eating meat, not selling it.
Cafe Gratitude and Gracias Madre haven't changed. Customers have a
choice: eat there or eat elsewhere; but they don't get to run the
owners private life.

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sf

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>
> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>
> nb

The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.

On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>>
>> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>>
>> nb
>
> The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
>

Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!

On Sat, 7 May 2016 10:00:26 -0600, Cielo Azul > wrote:

> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> >> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> >> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
> >>
> >> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
> >
>
> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!

Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.

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sf

On 5/7/2016 1:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2016 10:00:26 -0600, Cielo Azul > wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>>>> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>>>> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
>>>
>>
>> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!
>
> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.

Very true.

> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.

This is a beneficial technology at precisely the right time for aging
boomers.

On 2016-05-07 3:50 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 7 May 2016 10:00:26 -0600, Cielo Azul > wrote:
>
>> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
>>>> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>>>> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
>>>
>>
>> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!
>
> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>

A real hazard on the roads is old people. Quite seriously. I have
copies of Road Safety reports with stats on crash parameters and the
scary one is the one that graphs the crashes per 100,000 km by gender
and age group. Those rates start rising when people are in their 50's,
rise faster for the 60s' and by 80 the rates are skyrocketing.

Another issue is cell phone use. Hands free is only slightly less of a
problem and hand held. Those people are right up there with the drunks
for crashes.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2016-05-07 3:50 PM, sf wrote:

> > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
> >
>
> A real hazard on the roads is old people. Quite seriously. I have
> copies of Road Safety reports with stats on crash parameters and the
> scary one is the one that graphs the crashes per 100,000 km by gender
> and age group. Those rates start rising when people are in their 50's,
> rise faster for the 60s' and by 80 the rates are skyrocketing.

I wouldn't be surprised if 75 year olds were much safer drivers than 18
year old males.

sf wrote:
>
> Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.

Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
move on.

Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
age group.

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:00:08 AM UTC-6, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> sf wrote:
> >
> > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>
> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
> number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
> before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
> driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
> wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
> move on.
>
> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
> age group.

Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely have chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
====

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 6:00:08 AM UTC-10, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> sf wrote:
> >
> > Driverless cars are not as outrageous as some here seem to think.
> > Forget drunk drivers. It scares the bejebus out of me to see creaky
> > old people with their poor vision and slow reflexes behind the wheel -
> > but they want to remain independent, so driverless cars are the way to
> > go. Even Lyft will be experimenting with the concept.
>
> Driver less cars now exist in small numbers. From here on out their
> number will grow steadily as their price falls. I figure 10ish years
> before I see them most days, 20ish years before most vehicles are
> driver less. There is still a career in truck driving for anyone who
> wants to not be at home, though the field will wither as the years
> move on.
>
> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any human
> age group.

I think most commercial long-distance haulers should mostly be driven without humans. It would seem to be a safer and cheaper route. As far as I know, robots don't need much sleep.

My brother-in-law thinks that the commercial driver's school for these big rigs are a scam and that the drivers aren't ready for the road. I'm inclined to believe him.

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 6:00:33 AM UTC-10, Cielo Azul wrote:
> On 5/7/2016 12:42 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 9:29:24 AM UTC-10, notbob wrote:
> >> Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
> >> vegans riot. Whatta riot!
> >>
> >> <http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > The internet has finally given people that were bullies or were bullied an outlet for their unresolved frustrations in the best way they know how. In the same way, autonomous cars will give alcoholics free rein to be drunk most of the evening.
> >
>
> Vice mobility, the ultimate egalitarianism!

New technology always brings new opportunities for vice. Self-driving cars will be seen as moving bars, motels, brothels, and a place where you can do stuff without people bothering you.

On 6 May 2016 19:29:20 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>
><http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>

At least they're being entirely consistent as vegans.
By that I mean hypocritical, intolerant and narrow-minded.