On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:

> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
> back then.

I'm tempted, sometimes. I miss the days when the only people who
talked to themselves in public were schizophrenics. There were
so many fewer of them than current bluetooth users. It was nice.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/10/2016 10:30 AM, Gary wrote:
> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
> back then.

CB radio amigo, it was the internet of the pre-90s!

On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
>>>>> and everything in between. Right?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>>>
>>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
>>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
>>> old days were? Right now!
>>
>> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
>> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
>> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
>> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
>>
>> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
>> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
>> back then.
>
> It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.


That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
entertainment.

> I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy it while you can.

Suund advice.

And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:58:02 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
> >>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
> >>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> >>>>> and everything in between. Right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
> >>>
> >>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> >>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> >>> old days were? Right now!
> >>
> >> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
> >> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
> >> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
> >> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
> >>
> >> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
> >> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
> >> back then.
> >
> > It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.
>
>
> That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
> entertainment.
>
> > I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy it while you can.
>
> Suund advice.
>
> And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.

I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:12:23 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:58:02 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
> > On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > >> Bruce wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In article >,
> > >>> says...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
> > >>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
> > >>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
> > >>>>> and everything in between. Right?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
> > >>>
> > >>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> > >>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> > >>> old days were? Right now!
> > >>
> > >> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
> > >> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
> > >> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
> > >> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
> > >>
> > >> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
> > >> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
> > >> back then.
> > >
> > > It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.
> >
> >
> > That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
> > entertainment.
> >
> > > I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy it while you can.
> >
> > Suund advice.
> >
> > And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.
>
> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.

I usually listen to audiobooks (on my Ipod) in the car, but I'm pretty
sure the only CD in my car is Bach's Brandenberg Concertos. I've got
some music on my Ipod, but apart from some Vince Guaraldi, Stan Rogers,
and John Roberts and Tony Barrand, I'm not sure what's on it.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2016-05-10, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> Railroads have made a comeback for that reason.

What? They can lay off employees, wholescale?

The reason RR still are profitable is cuz 50% of their traffic is coal!

nb

On 5/10/2016 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:58:02 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
>> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>>>>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>>>>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
>>>>>>> and everything in between. Right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
>>>>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
>>>>> old days were? Right now!
>>>>
>>>> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
>>>> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
>>>> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
>>>> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
>>>> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
>>>> back then.
>>>
>>> It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.
>>
>>
>> That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
>> entertainment.
>>
>>> I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy it while you can.
>>
>> Suund advice.
>>
>> And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.
>
> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.
>

It's carbon-datable and that's a good thing!

I have the Allman Brothers Live at Fillmore East cued up.

On 5/10/2016 11:59 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-10, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Railroads have made a comeback for that reason.
>
> What? They can lay off employees, wholescale?
>
> The reason RR still are profitable is cuz 50% of their traffic is coal!
>
> nb
>
Not anymore it isn't.

https://www.aar.org/pages/freight-ra...ffic-data.aspx

Crude from the Bakken replaced it.

Then it got nailed.

On 2016-05-10 1:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally
> listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh
> Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it
> sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.

I have had my current vehicle for almost three years and I think there
have only been a couple CDs played on the stereo in it, and those were
discs my son burned for me. It has a USB port on it and I use memory
sticks with MP3 files. One is loaded with mostly rock, blues and a
little country, one is jazz and the third is full of comedy podcasts
that I downloaded from CBC.

On Tue, 10 May 2016 12:19:46 -0600, Orographic > wrote:

> On 5/10/2016 11:59 AM, notbob wrote:
> > On 2016-05-10, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >> Railroads have made a comeback for that reason.
> >
> > What? They can lay off employees, wholescale?
> >
> > The reason RR still are profitable is cuz 50% of their traffic is coal!
> >
> > nb
> >
> Not anymore it isn't.
>
> https://www.aar.org/pages/freight-ra...ffic-data.aspx
>
> Crude from the Bakken replaced it.
>
> Then it got nailed.

Trains need to start running on time, so they can act as long distance
carriers and trucks are only needed to take freight from the train to
delivery point and for heaven's sake, maintain the tracks!
https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0362

--

sf

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:39:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
>> >> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
>> >> >>> human
>> >> >>> age group.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
>> >> >> ====
>> >> >
>> >> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want to
>> >> > see
>> >> > real chaos. This actually
>> >> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're
>> >> > disruptive technology that will
>> >> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago.
>> >> > This is merely part two.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> The old farts hate that!
>> >
>> > I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to
>> > happen.
>> > My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last week
>> > or
>> > so.
>>
>> Here you go MrD! Something to cheer you up)
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-year.html
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>
> That was enjoyable. In the future, driving a car manually will be seen as
> an incredibly difficult task. Come to think of it, it is!
>
> http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaki...he-restaurant/

Oh dear Lucky no one was hurt

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On 2016-05-10 4:09 PM, sf wrote:

> Trains need to start running on time, so they can act as long distance
> carriers and trucks are only needed to take freight from the train to
> delivery point and for heaven's sake, maintain the tracks!
> https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0362
>


About 20 years ago we travelled around Europe on a rail pass and we had
a great time. We were based at a friend's apartment in Germany and would
decide where we wanted to go, then go to the counter at the train
station and they would print up an itinerary for us. Sometimes the trip
involved up to a half dozen transfers but we rarely had to wait more
than 20 minutes for a train. We would get off the train, look at the
board to see which platform for the next one and scoot over there.
Trains seemed to link just about every city and village. It was
infinitely better than the train system we have here, which runs only
along the major corridors and never runs on time.

On 5/10/2016 3:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-10 4:09 PM, sf wrote:
>
>> Trains need to start running on time, so they can act as long distance
>> carriers and trucks are only needed to take freight from the train to
>> delivery point and for heaven's sake, maintain the tracks!
>> https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0362
>>
>
>
> About 20 years ago we travelled around Europe on a rail pass and we had
> a great time. We were based at a friend's apartment in Germany and would
> decide where we wanted to go, then go to the counter at the train
> station and they would print up an itinerary for us. Sometimes the trip
> involved up to a half dozen transfers but we rarely had to wait more
> than 20 minutes for a train. We would get off the train, look at the
> board to see which platform for the next one and scoot over there.
> Trains seemed to link just about every city and village. It was
> infinitely better than the train system we have here, which runs only
> along the major corridors and never runs on time.

You don't suppose the sheer SIZE of your nation, the US, Australia, etc.
are to blame?

Density breeds arterials.

On 5/10/2016 2:09 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2016 12:19:46 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/2016 11:59 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2016-05-10, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Railroads have made a comeback for that reason.
>>>
>>> What? They can lay off employees, wholescale?
>>>
>>> The reason RR still are profitable is cuz 50% of their traffic is coal!
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>> Not anymore it isn't.
>>
>> https://www.aar.org/pages/freight-ra...ffic-data.aspx
>>
>> Crude from the Bakken replaced it.
>>
>> Then it got nailed.
>
> Trains need to start running on time, so they can act as long distance
> carriers and trucks are only needed to take freight from the train to
> delivery point and for heaven's sake, maintain the tracks!
> https://www.fra.dot.gov/Page/P0362
>

Intermodals are the way to go, yes.

Except where perishables are concerned, then a bit less so.

The other thing we need is MORE total trackage.

This is where passenger and freight come to no good balance in sharing.

For a great read on US passenger rail I recommend:

http://www.amazon.com/Waiting-Train-.../dp/1603580646

On 5/10/2016 7:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:12:23 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:58:02 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years ago when
>>>>>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be safe and
>>>>>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck drivers
>>>>>>>> and everything in between. Right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
>>>>>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
>>>>>> old days were? Right now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
>>>>> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
>>>>> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
>>>>> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
>>>>> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
>>>>> back then.
>>>>
>>>> It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
>>> entertainment.
>>>
>>>> I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy it while you can.
>>>
>>> Suund advice.
>>>
>>> And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.
>>
>> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.
>
> I usually listen to audiobooks (on my Ipod) in the car, but I'm pretty
> sure the only CD in my car is Bach's Brandenberg Concertos. I've got
> some music on my Ipod, but apart from some Vince Guaraldi, Stan Rogers,
> and John Roberts and Tony Barrand, I'm not sure what's on it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Vince Guaraldi - I love that guy!

On 5/10/2016 8:12 AM, Orographic wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:58:02 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years
>>>>>>>>> ago when
>>>>>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be
>>>>>>>>> safe and
>>>>>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck
>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>> and everything in between. Right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll
>>>>>> also say
>>>>>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> old days were? Right now!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious tends to
>>>>> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
>>>>> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the 70's.
>>>>> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
>>>>> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
>>>>> back then.
>>>>
>>>> It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and
>>>> strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant
>>>> pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.
>>>
>>>
>>> That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
>>> entertainment.
>>>
>>>> I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people
>>>> that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say
>>>> "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy
>>>> it while you can.
>>>
>>> Suund advice.
>>>
>>> And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.
>>
>> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally
>> listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh
>> Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it
>> sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.
>>
>
> It's carbon-datable and that's a good thing!
>
> I have the Allman Brothers Live at Fillmore East cued up.

Well bless your little heart - that album has made all our lives just
better and richer. It's a most beautiful thing.

On 5/10/2016 9:14 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-10 1:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally
>> listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh
>> Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it
>> sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.
>
> I have had my current vehicle for almost three years and I think there
> have only been a couple CDs played on the stereo in it, and those were
> discs my son burned for me. It has a USB port on it and I use memory
> sticks with MP3 files. One is loaded with mostly rock, blues and a
> little country, one is jazz and the third is full of comedy podcasts
> that I downloaded from CBC.
>
>
>

I loaded up some Joe Satriani and Kate Bush on my dad's hard drive on
his car. My guess is that he'll never stumble upon it.

On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:39:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
>>> >> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
>>> >> >>> human
>>> >> >>> age group.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely
>>> >> >> have
>>> >> >> chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
>>> >> >> ====
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want
>>> to >> > see
>>> >> > real chaos. This actually
>>> >> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're
>>> >> > disruptive technology that will
>>> >> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years ago.
>>> >> > This is merely part two.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> The old farts hate that!
>>> >
>>> > I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to >
>>> happen.
>>> > My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last
>>> week > or
>>> > so.
>>>
>>> Here you go MrD! Something to cheer you up)
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-year.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Enjoy
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>
>> That was enjoyable. In the future, driving a car manually will be seen
>> as an incredibly difficult task. Come to think of it, it is!
>>
>> http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaki...he-restaurant/
>>
>
> Oh dear Lucky no one was hurt
>

People was hurt but nobody killed. Thank God they didn't crash through
the Saigon Noodle House next door! Now that would be bad.

You would think these unintended acceleration accidents would not happen
since the cars in the US won't shift without stepping on the foot brake.
I think the UK has the same setup.

On 2016-05-10 5:05 PM, Orographic wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 3:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> About 20 years ago we travelled around Europe on a rail pass and we had
>> a great time. We were based at a friend's apartment in Germany and would
>> decide where we wanted to go, then go to the counter at the train
>> station and they would print up an itinerary for us. Sometimes the trip
>> involved up to a half dozen transfers but we rarely had to wait more
>> than 20 minutes for a train. We would get off the train, look at the
>> board to see which platform for the next one and scoot over there.
>> Trains seemed to link just about every city and village. It was
>> infinitely better than the train system we have here, which runs only
>> along the major corridors and never runs on time.
>
> You don't suppose the sheer SIZE of your nation, the US, Australia, etc.
> are to blame?
>


No. Europe is a substantial size with a substantial population. They
have a rail system that is fast and efficient enough that people rely
on it.

On Tue, 10 May 2016 15:09:45 -0600, Orographic > wrote:

> The other thing we need is MORE total trackage.
>
> This is where passenger and freight come to no good balance in sharing.

Agree.

--

sf

In article > , Bruce
> wrote:

> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> old days were? Right now!

The freest day you will ever live is the day you were born. Any
cataclysm will reset all of us back to the basics, and all the things
you think you believe in will mean nothing at all. Have a nice day

[ObFood] Chicken and rice containing diced tomatoes, chile and olives.
Asparagus on the side.

leo

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:39:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
>>>> >> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
>>>> >> >>> human
>>>> >> >>> age group.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely
>>>> >> >> have
>>>> >> >> chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
>>>> >> >> ====
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want
>>>> to >> > see
>>>> >> > real chaos. This actually
>>>> >> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're
>>>> >> > disruptive technology that will
>>>> >> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years
>>>> >> > ago.
>>>> >> > This is merely part two.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The old farts hate that!
>>>> >
>>>> > I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to >
>>>> happen.
>>>> > My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last
>>>> week > or
>>>> > so.
>>>>
>>>> Here you go MrD! Something to cheer you up)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-year.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>
>>> That was enjoyable. In the future, driving a car manually will be seen
>>> as an incredibly difficult task. Come to think of it, it is!
>>>
>>> http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaki...he-restaurant/
>>>
>>
>> Oh dear Lucky no one was hurt
>>
>
> People was hurt but nobody killed. Thank God they didn't crash through the
> Saigon Noodle House next door! Now that would be bad.

Ahh. Not good!

> You would think these unintended acceleration accidents would not happen
> since the cars in the US won't shift without stepping on the foot brake. I
> think the UK has the same setup.

I can't say I've ever had an unintended acceleration, but D did once. He
was parked up and there was a bar running along the back and then a slope.
He started up went back over the bar and it was only because the bar was
high enough for the body of the car to get stuck on that he didn't go over
and down the slope. Not too sure what happened but the grands had been in
the car when we went somewhere and we think they found the 4wd stick and
other switches entertaining. It was the lwb Pajero.



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On 5/10/2016 4:09 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 8:12 AM, Orographic wrote:
>> On 5/10/2016 11:12 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:58:02 AM UTC-10, Orographic wrote:
>>>> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:30:36 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2016 12:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You bet I'm concerned. I see these drivers every day. Years
>>>>>>>>>> ago when
>>>>>>>>>> traveling I used to be able to trust the truck drivers to be
>>>>>>>>>> safe and
>>>>>>>>>> not do stupid things. No more. Many are inexperienced cowboys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everything was better in the old days. From comedians to truck
>>>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>>>>>> and everything in between. Right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't forget the music and appliances that would last 50 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll
>>>>>>> also say
>>>>>>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> old days were? Right now!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's why the "good old days" seem better. Your subconscious
>>>>>> tends to
>>>>>> lose the bad memories but remember all the good ones. Just that
>>>>>> simple. I have an LP collection of almost 600...mostly from the
>>>>>> 70's.
>>>>>> It's good old music but I like much of the new music too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
>>>>>> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
>>>>>> back then.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's seen as the good old days simply because we were young and
>>>>> strong and invincible and we weren't living in a world of constant
>>>>> pain. If you're not aware of this by now, you soon will be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is a constant of aging, as opposed to a cultural superiority in
>>>> entertainment.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't live in a world of constant pain but I get exposed to people
>>>>> that are and what a reality check that is. It tends to make me say
>>>>> "enjoy it while you can" a lot. My recommendation is that you enjoy
>>>>> it while you can.
>>>>
>>>> Suund advice.
>>>>
>>>> And make sure and build a stash of classic rock too.
>>>
>>> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally
>>> listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh
>>> Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it
>>> sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.
>>>
>>
>> It's carbon-datable and that's a good thing!
>>
>> I have the Allman Brothers Live at Fillmore East cued up.
>
> Well bless your little heart - that album has made all our lives just
> better and richer. It's a most beautiful thing.

Could listen to "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed" an infinite number of
times and never get sick of it.

On 5/10/2016 4:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 9:14 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-10 1:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> I don't listen to much music these days although I'll occasionally
>>> listen to a CD in my car. The current one loaded in is Cream's "Fresh
>>> Cream." I tend to play dinosaur rock in the car. My wife says it
>>> sounds like old-time music. Hee hee.
>>
>> I have had my current vehicle for almost three years and I think there
>> have only been a couple CDs played on the stereo in it, and those were
>> discs my son burned for me. It has a USB port on it and I use memory
>> sticks with MP3 files. One is loaded with mostly rock, blues and a
>> little country, one is jazz and the third is full of comedy podcasts
>> that I downloaded from CBC.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I loaded up some Joe Satriani and Kate Bush on my dad's hard drive on
> his car. My guess is that he'll never stumble upon it.

Lol, that was cheeky of you!

;-)

On 5/10/2016 4:53 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:39:45 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" <dsi1> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:18:44 AM UTC-10, Gobernador wrote:
>>>> >> On 5/9/2016 11:28 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >>> Driver less cars are not wreck free but they are closer than any
>>>> >> >>> human
>>>> >> >>> age group.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Put 100 driverless cars on the street and you would very likely
>>>> >> >> have
>>>> >> >> chaos if they had to mix with driven cars.
>>>> >> >> ====
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Try mixing cars and horse-driven rigs on the street if you want
>>>> to >> > see
>>>> >> > real chaos. This actually
>>>> >> > happened. Driverless cars are already out there. Mostly they're
>>>> >> > disruptive technology that will
>>>> >> > change society - as did horseless carriages did over 100 years
>>>> ago.
>>>> >> > This is merely part two.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The old farts hate that!
>>>> >
>>>> > I can't understand the mind that considers change as unlikely to >
>>>> happen.
>>>> > My theory is that they have a memory that remembers only the last
>>>> week > or
>>>> > so.
>>>>
>>>> Here you go MrD! Something to cheer you up)
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-year.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
>>>
>>> That was enjoyable. In the future, driving a car manually will be seen
>>> as an incredibly difficult task. Come to think of it, it is!
>>>
>>> http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaki...he-restaurant/
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh dear Lucky no one was hurt
>>
>
> People was hurt but nobody killed. Thank God they didn't crash through
> the Saigon Noodle House next door! Now that would be bad.
>
> You would think these unintended acceleration accidents would not happen
> since the cars in the US won't shift without stepping on the foot brake.
> I think the UK has the same setup.

Ut oh, someone Audi'd that SOB...

On 5/10/2016 7:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-10 5:05 PM, Orographic wrote:
>> On 5/10/2016 3:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> About 20 years ago we travelled around Europe on a rail pass and we had
>>> a great time. We were based at a friend's apartment in Germany and would
>>> decide where we wanted to go, then go to the counter at the train
>>> station and they would print up an itinerary for us. Sometimes the trip
>>> involved up to a half dozen transfers but we rarely had to wait more
>>> than 20 minutes for a train. We would get off the train, look at the
>>> board to see which platform for the next one and scoot over there.
>>> Trains seemed to link just about every city and village. It was
>>> infinitely better than the train system we have here, which runs only
>>> along the major corridors and never runs on time.
>>
>> You don't suppose the sheer SIZE of your nation, the US, Australia, etc.
>> are to blame?
>>
>
>
> No.

Then you're daft.

> Europe is a substantial size with a substantial population.

You deny they have greater density than the larger continental nations?

Why?

It's one Michelin map away from even YOU admitting it.

> They have a rail system that is fast and efficient enough that people rely
> on it.

And the reason is - GREATER POPULATION DENSITY - period.

Now fess up.

On 5/10/2016 10:40 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2016 15:09:45 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
>
>> The other thing we need is MORE total trackage.
>>
>> This is where passenger and freight come to no good balance in sharing.
>
> Agree.
>
Letting government pick and create winners is always a bad thing, just
as it was with the 3 dozen green energy bankruptcies.

That entire Penn Central debacle haunts us to this day in the shell
known as Amtrak.

On 2016-05-11 10:35 AM, Orographic wrote:
> On 5/10/2016 7:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>> You don't suppose the sheer SIZE of your nation, the US, Australia, etc.
>>> are to blame?
>>>
>>
>>
>> No.
>
> Then you're daft.
>
>> Europe is a substantial size with a substantial population.
>
> You deny they have greater density than the larger continental nations?
>
> Why?
I did not deny it. I never mentioned it. There are large areas of the US
that are heavily populated and where trains could be as viable as they
are in Europe... if they had frequent service to more points.
>
> It's one Michelin map away from even YOU admitting it.
>
>> They have a rail system that is fast and efficient enough that people
>> rely
>> on it.
>
> And the reason is - GREATER POPULATION DENSITY - period.
>
> Now fess up.

See above. I live in Niagara and there are a lot of people who would
love to go to Toronto by rail. They used to have several trains per
day, but only along a single corridor with stops in Niagara Falls,
St.Catharines and Hamilton. It was never viable. People are almost
unaware of the train because there is so little service they never
bothered with it.

On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:38:02 -0600, Orographic > wrote:

> On 5/10/2016 10:40 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 May 2016 15:09:45 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
> >
> >> The other thing we need is MORE total trackage.
> >>
> >> This is where passenger and freight come to no good balance in sharing.
> >
> > Agree.
> >
> Letting government pick and create winners is always a bad thing, just
> as it was with the 3 dozen green energy bankruptcies.

Government is populated with powerful politicians who have been
purchased by big business. It's just an elaborate shell game.
Business gets what it wants, hamstrings legitimate oversight, and "the
government" gets blamed.
>
> That entire Penn Central debacle haunts us to this day in the shell
> known as Amtrak.
>
It happened during an era when much beauty was destroyed and replaced
with ugliness. How many Fox theaters have we lost, how many Victorian
buildings?
http://www.fastcodesign.com/3032295/...-grand-central
http://mashable.com/2015/07/20/origi.../#DI_bLxHMEkq7


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sf

On 6 May 2016 19:29:20 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Too funny! Pioneering vegans give up being vegans and remaining
>vegans riot. Whatta riot!
>
><http://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/In-California-couple-s-return-to-meat-sparks-7396918.php>

At least they're being entirely consistent as vegans.
By that I mean hypocritical, intolerant and narrow-minded.

On 5/11/2016 5:13 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2016 08:38:02 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
>
>> On 5/10/2016 10:40 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 10 May 2016 15:09:45 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The other thing we need is MORE total trackage.
>>>>
>>>> This is where passenger and freight come to no good balance in sharing.
>>>
>>> Agree.
>>>
>> Letting government pick and create winners is always a bad thing, just
>> as it was with the 3 dozen green energy bankruptcies.
>
> Government is populated with powerful politicians who have been
> purchased by big business.

Sure.

> It's just an elaborate shell game.

That it is.

> Business gets what it wants, hamstrings legitimate oversight, and "the
> government" gets blamed.

Not in the auto business.

You're about to have smash and discard cars due to CAFE standards that
can't be met with technology, only weight savings.

AMTRAK was a classic example of government forcing a solution.

Not saying that wasn't necessary, just poorly rendered.

>> That entire Penn Central debacle haunts us to this day in the shell
>> known as Amtrak.
>>
> It happened during an era when much beauty was destroyed and replaced
> with ugliness. How many Fox theaters have we lost, how many Victorian
> buildings?

No joke.

> http://www.fastcodesign.com/3032295/...-grand-central
> http://mashable.com/2015/07/20/origi.../#DI_bLxHMEkq7


Outstanding photos!

http://www.townandcountrymag.com/soc...-donald-trump/

Here are 12 surprising facts about Trump from that profile:

1. He hung a banner from Grand Central Station proclaiming, "Trump." In
1976, Trump bought and restored the Commodore Hotel at the corner of
42nd Street and Lexington Avenue—right next to Grand Central Station. He
also paid to clean up and revitalize the New York City landmark. "To
announce to the world just who was responsible for restoring Grand
Central to its former glory, he draped from the scaffolding a large
banner emblazoned with only one word: 'Trump,'" Masello wrote. "Not 'A
cooperative venture of the City of New York and the Trump Development
Corporation.' Not 'A renovation undertaken by . .' Just the one word—Trump."

On Wed, 11 May 2016 17:59:38 -0600, Orographic > wrote:

> ttp://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/news/a3491/12-facts-donald-trump/
>
> Here are 12 surprising facts about Trump from that profile:
>
> 1. He hung a banner from Grand Central Station proclaiming, "Trump." In
> 1976, Trump bought and restored the Commodore Hotel at the corner of
> 42nd Street and Lexington Avenue—right next to Grand Central Station. He
> also paid to clean up and revitalize the New York City landmark. "To
> announce to the world just who was responsible for restoring Grand
> Central to its former glory, he draped from the scaffolding a large
> banner emblazoned with only one word: 'Trump,'" Masello wrote. "Not 'A
> cooperative venture of the City of New York and the Trump Development
> Corporation.' Not 'A renovation undertaken by . .' Just the one word—Trump."

What can I say? Trump is a bombastic narcissist. Letting others do
the hard work and then taking credit for it is his typical MO. Better
that he restore beautiful but faded old buildings to their former
glory (like the Plaza Hotel in NYC), than run the USA into the ground.



--

sf

On 5/11/2016 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2016 17:59:38 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
>
>> ttp://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/news/a3491/12-facts-donald-trump/
>>
>> Here are 12 surprising facts about Trump from that profile:
>>
>> 1. He hung a banner from Grand Central Station proclaiming, "Trump." In
>> 1976, Trump bought and restored the Commodore Hotel at the corner of
>> 42nd Street and Lexington Avenue—right next to Grand Central Station. He
>> also paid to clean up and revitalize the New York City landmark. "To
>> announce to the world just who was responsible for restoring Grand
>> Central to its former glory, he draped from the scaffolding a large
>> banner emblazoned with only one word: 'Trump,'" Masello wrote. "Not 'A
>> cooperative venture of the City of New York and the Trump Development
>> Corporation.' Not 'A renovation undertaken by . .' Just the one word—Trump."
>
> What can I say? Trump is a bombastic narcissist.

Yep.

> Letting others do
> the hard work and then taking credit for it is his typical MO. Better
> that he restore beautiful but faded old buildings to their former
> glory (like the Plaza Hotel in NYC), than run the USA into the ground.

But he gets the job done, and he gets it done on or under budget.

We have not had that in government since????

On Wed, 11 May 2016 21:47:57 -0600, Orographic > wrote:

> On 5/11/2016 7:11 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 May 2016 17:59:38 -0600, Orographic > wrote:
> >
> >> ttp://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/news/a3491/12-facts-donald-trump/
> >>
> >> Here are 12 surprising facts about Trump from that profile:
> >>
> >> 1. He hung a banner from Grand Central Station proclaiming, "Trump." In
> >> 1976, Trump bought and restored the Commodore Hotel at the corner of
> >> 42nd Street and Lexington Avenue—right next to Grand Central Station. He
> >> also paid to clean up and revitalize the New York City landmark. "To
> >> announce to the world just who was responsible for restoring Grand
> >> Central to its former glory, he draped from the scaffolding a large
> >> banner emblazoned with only one word: 'Trump,'" Masello wrote. "Not 'A
> >> cooperative venture of the City of New York and the Trump Development
> >> Corporation.' Not 'A renovation undertaken by . .' Just the one word—Trump."
> >
> > What can I say? Trump is a bombastic narcissist.
>
> Yep.
>
> > Letting others do
> > the hard work and then taking credit for it is his typical MO. Better
> > that he restore beautiful but faded old buildings to their former
> > glory (like the Plaza Hotel in NYC), than run the USA into the ground.
>
> But he gets the job done, and he gets it done on or under budget.
>
> We have not had that in government since???

He also defaults on loans with regularity. If you want the USA to
default on its debts, then Trump is your man. Remember that YOU are a
holder of the US debt and a default will not only sent the USA into
another depression, it will also wreck the world economy.

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sf

On 5/10/2016 12:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 12:30:36 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
>> I'll bet that no one calls the days before the internet and cell
>> phones the good old days unless you forgot that we didn't have that
>> back then.
>
> I'm tempted, sometimes. I miss the days when the only people who
> talked to themselves in public were schizophrenics. There were
> so many fewer of them than current bluetooth users. It was nice.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
LOL Too true! I've been standing at a check-out stand on more than one
occasion when someone next to me says "Hi" and for a minute I think
they're talking to me. Nope, they're talking on a Bluetooth device.

As for the internet, I love it, but I also recall a time when I was
perfectly happy without it.

Jill

On 5/11/2016 3:58 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article > , Bruce
> > wrote:
>
>> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
>> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
>> old days were? Right now!
>
> The freest day you will ever live is the day you were born. Any
> cataclysm will reset all of us back to the basics, and all the things
> you think you believe in will mean nothing at all. Have a nice day
>
> [ObFood] Chicken and rice containing diced tomatoes, chile and olives.
> Asparagus on the side.
>
> leo
>
An excellent observation, Leo, and glad to see you back. Your dinner
sounds nice.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 5/11/2016 3:58 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> > In article > , Bruce
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> But in 50 years, there will also be Ed Pawlowskis. And they'll also say
> >> that in the old days everything was better. And do you know when those
> >> old days were? Right now!
> >
> > The freest day you will ever live is the day you were born. Any
> > cataclysm will reset all of us back to the basics, and all the things
> > you think you believe in will mean nothing at all. Have a nice day
> >
> > [ObFood] Chicken and rice containing diced tomatoes, chile and olives.
> > Asparagus on the side.
> >
> > leo
> >
> An excellent observation, Leo (...).

You understood that?