Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
cheese too. Here is the product:

http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/

I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.

Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
tofu fan, but this rocks!

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
>cheese too. Here is the product:
>
>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>
>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>
>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>tofu fan, but this rocks!

Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
(soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
yeast:
http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/

--
Bruce

On 3/29/2016 3:52 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
> and not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
> melts like cheese too. Here is the product:
>
> http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>
> I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
> tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>
> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
> a tofu fan, but this rocks!


Julie! I try to stay away from cheese; it clogs the arteries.
But that's not to say I don't often cut the cheese.
Discuss this...............

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
> not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
> cheese too. Here is the product:
>
> http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>
> I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
> tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>
> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
> tofu fan, but this rocks!

Sounds good, Julie. Rare that you find something that you love.
The sandwich sounds good to me with cheese or even that tofu stuff.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
> Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
> not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
> cheese too. Here is the product:
>
> http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>
> I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
> tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>
> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
> tofu fan, but this rocks!

I don't see that it's sold close to me in CA, but if I see it, I will
definitely try it.

Cheri

..
why would you want non-cheese cheese?


please post the ingredients, thanks

marc

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>
>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>
>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>
>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>
> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
> yeast:
> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/

Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
>> and not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts
>> like cheese too. Here is the product:
>>
>> http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>
>> I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>> tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>> similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>
>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>
> I don't see that it's sold close to me in CA, but if I see it, I will
> definitely try it.
>
> Cheri

It\s a locally made thing. Not sure if it is available elsewhere.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>.
>why would you want non-cheese cheese?

If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.

--
Bruce

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>
>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>
>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>
>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>
>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>> yeast:
>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>
>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.

School 1:
"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
<https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>

School 2:
"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
<https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>

My doctor is from school 1.

--
Bruce

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>
>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>
>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>
>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>
>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>>> yeast:
>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>
>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>
>School 1:
>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>
>School 2:
>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>
>My doctor is from school 1.

You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.

coconut oil in moderation, is probably ok

i like variety, but moderation on the saturated fats, salt, etc

real cheese in moderation is ok with me

[sugar is one of my weaknessesss]

marc

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> .
> why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>
Intolerant to dairy (which means cow milk) and won't buy goat or sheep
cheese. There's a goat's milk cheddar sold at Trader Joe's that's
delicious. All it takes is money.
>
> please post the ingredients, thanks
>
Good thing she's not intolerant to soy.

--

sf

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
> >.
> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>
> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.

There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.

--

sf

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >>>
> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >>>
> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >>>
> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >>
> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
> >> yeast:
> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
> >
> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>
> School 1:
> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>
> School 2:
> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>
> My doctor is from school 1.

They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
40 or above.


--

sf

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>
>>School 1:
>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>
>>School 2:
>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>
>>My doctor is from school 1.
>
>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.

The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."

<http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>

At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
years ago".

--
Bruce

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
>> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
>> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>> >>>
>> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>> >>>
>> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>> >>>
>> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >>
>> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>> >> yeast:
>> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>> >
>> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>
>> School 1:
>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>
>> School 2:
>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>
>> My doctor is from school 1.
>
>They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
>days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
>the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
>that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
>40 or above.

I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
any bad Bad.

--
Bruce

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> > If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>
> There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>
> --
>
> sf

Goat milk and sheep milk and their products are dairy.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>> >.
>> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>>
>> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>
>There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.

You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>
>>>School 1:
>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>
>>>School 2:
>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>
>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>
>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>
>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>
><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>
>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>years ago".

I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
the stone-age.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:18:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>
>>>>School 1:
>>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>
>>>>School 2:
>>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>
>>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>>
>>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>>
>>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>>
>><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>>
>>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>>years ago".
>
>I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
>the stone-age.

I know you disagree, but it shows that this matter wasn't resolved
years ago. Personally, I'll just follow my doctor's advice.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:23:10 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:18:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>>
>>>>>School 1:
>>>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>School 2:
>>>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>
>>>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>
>>>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>>>
>>>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>>>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>>>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>>>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>>>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>>>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>>>
>>><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>>>
>>>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>>>years ago".
>>
>>I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
>>the stone-age.
>
>I know you disagree, but it shows that this matter wasn't resolved
>years ago. Personally, I'll just follow my doctor's advice.

Fair enough, I prefer to go on decades of anecdotal evidence, also
research on native cultures whose diets were traditionally high in
saturated fats.

The term 'saturated fats' is a problem to begin with because it
doesn't make any distinction between any type of saturated fats.
They're all lump under one umbrella.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:04:02 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >>
> >> >.
> >> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
> >>
> >> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
> >
> >There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>
> You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.

Julie doesn't do it for that.

--

sf

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:33:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:23:10 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:18:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>School 1:
>>>>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>School 2:
>>>>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>>
>>>>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>>>>
>>>>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>>>>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>>>>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>>>>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>>>>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>>>>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>>>>
>>>><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>>>>
>>>>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>>>>years ago".
>>>
>>>I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
>>>the stone-age.
>>
>>I know you disagree, but it shows that this matter wasn't resolved
>>years ago. Personally, I'll just follow my doctor's advice.
>
>Fair enough, I prefer to go on decades of anecdotal evidence, also
>research on native cultures whose diets were traditionally high in
>saturated fats.

But they lead completely differnt lives from us. Lots of factors are
different between them and us. It's hard to say what causes what.

Or look at the Japanese. Relatively big smokers, but they get quite
old because they do other things well, such as eat healthy.

>The term 'saturated fats' is a problem to begin with because it
>doesn't make any distinction between any type of saturated fats.
>They're all lump under one umbrella.

Yes, there are differences in the degree to which they increase bad
cholesterol. I also don't mean to say you can't eat anything with
saturated fat at all.

--
Bruce

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> > >
> > > If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
> >
> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
> >
>
> Goat milk and sheep milk and their products are dairy.
>

Technically speaking, but not as far as food intolerances go. Babies
that are intolerant to cow milk formula are switched to goat's milk
formula.

You sound like the kind of person who would eliminate every single
food source that contained purines if he had gout. Tell me what would
you eat.

--

sf

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >> >>
> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
> >> >> yeast:
> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
> >> >
> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
> >>
> >> School 1:
> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
> >> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
> >> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
> >>
> >> School 2:
> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
> >>
> >> My doctor is from school 1.
> >
> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
> >40 or above.
>
> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
> any bad Bad.

It always matters, unless you're in denial.

--

sf

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:46:50 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices and
>> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts like
>> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>> >> >> yeast:
>> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>> >> >
>> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>> >>
>> >> School 1:
>> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>> >> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>> >> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>> >>
>> >> School 2:
>> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>> >>
>> >> My doctor is from school 1.
>> >
>> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
>> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
>> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
>> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
>> >40 or above.
>>
>> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
>> any bad Bad.
>
>It always matters, unless you're in denial.

I'm not denying anything, I just dunno.

--
Bruce

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:46:50 -0700, sf > wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
> >
> > I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> > your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
> > any bad Bad.
>
> It always matters, unless you're in denial.

Here it is:
People whose HDL levels are less than 40 mg/dL are considered
seriously at risk for heart disease.

--

sf

> wrote in message
...
> .
> why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>
>
> please post the ingredients, thanks
>
> marc

"Ingredients: Filtered water, coconut oil, modified corn and potato starch,
potato starch, fermented chao tofu (soybeans, water, salt, sesame oil,
calcium sulfate), sea salt, natural flavor, olive extract (antioxidant used
as a preservative) and beta carotene."

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>> >.
>> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>>
>> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>
> There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.

That's still dairy and makes me just as sick.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:06:00 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:46:50 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>> > your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
>> > any bad Bad.
>>
>> It always matters, unless you're in denial.
>
>Here it is:
>People whose HDL levels are less than 40 mg/dL are considered
>seriously at risk for heart disease.

Ok, regardless of their LDL.

--
Bruce

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT), Helpful person
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 4:37:56 PM UTC-4, sf wrote:
>> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>> >
>> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>> >
>>
>> Goat milk and sheep milk and their products are dairy.
>>
>
> Technically speaking, but not as far as food intolerances go. Babies
> that are intolerant to cow milk formula are switched to goat's milk
> formula.
>
And if they're like me or my daughter, they throw those up too!

> You sound like the kind of person who would eliminate every single
> food source that contained purines if he had gout. Tell me what would
> you eat.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
>>>>and
>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts
>>>>like
>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>
>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>
>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>
>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
>>>>a
>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>
>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>>> yeast:
>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>
>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>
> School 1:
> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>
> School 2:
> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>
> My doctor is from school 1.

And he's wrong.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:33:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
>>>>>and
>>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts
>>>>>like
>>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>>
>>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
>>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
>>>>>a
>>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>
>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>>>> yeast:
>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>>
>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>
>> School 1:
>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>
>> School 2:
>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>
>> My doctor is from school 1.
>
>And he's wrong.

Ok, you're from School 2. I can choose between believing health
professionals or people from the interwebs with no medical background
whatsoever. Hmmm... tough one.

--
Bruce

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
>> >> >>>slices and
>> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
>> >> >>>melts like
>> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
>> >> >>>pepper,
>> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to
>> >> >>>get a
>> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>> >> >>>normally a
>> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today.
>> >> >> One
>> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not
>> >> >> yet
>> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>> >> >> yeast:
>> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>> >> >
>> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>> >>
>> >> School 1:
>> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>> >> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
>> >> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>> >>
>> >> School 2:
>> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>> >>
>> >> My doctor is from school 1.
>> >
>> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
>> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
>> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
>> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
>> >40 or above.
>>
>> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
>> any bad Bad.
>
> It always matters, unless you're in denial.

My Endo. only tests the bad.

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
> slices and >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me!
> Better still, it melts like >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with
> green pepper, >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days
> when I used to get a >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
> normally a >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >> >>
> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket
> today. One >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23%
> non-hydrogenated coconut oil) >> >> was very good. It tasted just
> like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet >> >> sure if
> non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a >> >> lot
> of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional >> >>
> yeast: >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
> >> >
> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
> >>
> >> School 1:
> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter,
> beef >> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as
> much – or >> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
> >>
> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health...ing-right/1790
> -is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html> >> >> School 2:
> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
> disease." >>
> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/> >>
> >> My doctor is from school 1.
> >
> > They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
> > days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
> > the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
> > reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
> > that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
> > dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to
> > be 40 or above.
>
> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
> any bad Bad.

LOL, confusing isnt it?

LDL is bad. The amount should be low. HDL (think of it as heavenly)
is what clears your arteries. Fish for example can be plenty high in
HDL and help counteract the LDL of beef and pork.

Coconut oil has a good thing going for it. If it's simple raw organic,
it's shown to reduce dementia effects. The organic here seems to be
something in the processing type used vice anything else about
'organic'.

--

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote: >>
> >> >.
> >> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
> >>
> >> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
> >
> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>
> You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.

Or preferring to eat vegan.

--

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:33:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
>>>>>>pepper,
>>>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>>>>>>normally
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>>>>> yeast:
>>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>>>
>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>
>>> School 1:
>>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
>>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>
>>> School 2:
>>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>
>>> My doctor is from school 1.
>>
>>And he's wrong.
>
> Ok, you're from School 2. I can choose between believing health
> professionals or people from the interwebs with no medical background
> whatsoever. Hmmm... tough one.

Is your Dr. a registered dietician?

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:40:17 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
>> slices and >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me!
>> Better still, it melts like >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with
>> green pepper, >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days
>> when I used to get a >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>> normally a >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket
>> today. One >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23%
>> non-hydrogenated coconut oil) >> >> was very good. It tasted just
>> like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet >> >> sure if
>> non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a >> >> lot
>> of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional >> >>
>> yeast: >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>> >> >
>> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>> >>
>> >> School 1:
>> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter,
>> beef >> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as
>> much – or >> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> >>
>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health...ing-right/1790
>> -is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html> >> >> School 2:
>> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
>> disease." >>
>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/> >>
>> >> My doctor is from school 1.
>> >
>> > They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
>> > days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
>> > the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>> > reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
>> > that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>> > dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to
>> > be 40 or above.
>>
>> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
>> any bad Bad.
>
>LOL, confusing isnt it?
>
>LDL is bad. The amount should be low. HDL (think of it as heavenly)
>is what clears your arteries. Fish for example can be plenty high in
>HDL and help counteract the LDL of beef and pork.

That's a good argument for surf&turf dishes.

>Coconut oil has a good thing going for it. If it's simple raw organic,
>it's shown to reduce dementia effects. The organic here seems to be
>something in the processing type used vice anything else about
>'organic'.

I can imagine making a tasty vegan cheese a daily staple, just like
cow cheese was a staple for me years ago. That's why I look at the
ingredients a bit more than I'd normally do.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:45:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT),
>> wrote: >>
>> >> >.
>> >> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>> >>
>> >> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>> >
>> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>>
>> You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.
>
>Or preferring to eat vegan.

Are there other reasons to go vegan than health and animal welfare?

--
Bruce