On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:59:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:33:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts
>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
>>>>>>>pepper,
>>>>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
>>>>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>>>>>>>normally
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>>>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>>>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
>>>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>>>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>>>>>> yeast:
>>>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>>>>
>>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>
>>>> School 1:
>>>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
>>>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>
>>>> School 2:
>>>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>
>>>> My doctor is from school 1.
>>>
>>>And he's wrong.
>>
>> Ok, you're from School 2. I can choose between believing health
>> professionals or people from the interwebs with no medical background
>> whatsoever. Hmmm... tough one.
>
>Is your Dr. a registered dietician?

I don't know. He's just the guy who says "avoid saturated fat" and I
do that. A bit like when he mechanic tells me I need new brake pads. I
believe that too.

--
Bruce

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:40:17 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package
> as >> slices and >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me!
> >> Better still, it melts like >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with
> >> green pepper, >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the
> days >> when I used to get a >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's
> restaurant. >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am
> not >> normally a >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket
> >> today. One >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23%
> >> non-hydrogenated coconut oil) >> >> was very good. It tasted just
> >> like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet >> >> sure if
> >> non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a >> >>
> lot >> of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and
> nutritional >> >> >> yeast: >> >>
> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/ >> >> >
> >> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
> >> >>
> >> >> School 1:
> >> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than
> butter, >> beef >> tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL
> cholesterol as >> much – or >> more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr.
> Kenney." >> >>
> >>
> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health...ing-right/1790
> >> -is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html> >> >> School 2: >> >>
> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few >>
> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies
> show >> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and
> heart >> disease." >> >>
> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/> >>
> >> >> My doctor is from school 1. >> >
> >> > They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff
> these >> > days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is
> the raise >> > the good. At least that's the way it works for my
> husband. The >> > reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good
> is always bad - if >> > that makes any sense. His Good was finally a
> tic away from the >> > dividing line on the last test. He was at 39
> and it's supposed to >> > be 40 or above.
> >>
> >> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> >> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up
> for >> any bad Bad.
> >
> > LOL, confusing isnt it?
> >
> > LDL is bad. The amount should be low. HDL (think of it as
> > heavenly) is what clears your arteries. Fish for example can be
> > plenty high in HDL and help counteract the LDL of beef and pork.
>
> That's a good argument for surf&turf dishes.

Yup! Sure is! My cholestrol can be as high as 140 but the HDL portion
is way high so they do not recommend cholestrol meds. My LDL is very
low.

> > Coconut oil has a good thing going for it. If it's simple raw
> > organic, it's shown to reduce dementia effects. The organic here
> > seems to be something in the processing type used vice anything
> > else about 'organic'.
>
> I can imagine making a tasty vegan cheese a daily staple, just like
> cow cheese was a staple for me years ago. That's why I look at the
> ingredients a bit more than I'd normally do.

Yup! I wouldnt mind a tasty vegan/soy cheese here either. I need the
calcium though of the other.

On the coconut oil, a good and inexpensive choice is on Amazon.com.
Viva Labs, 32oz and it's fairly solid in a cold room and semi liquid in
a warm one. No need for refridgeration. Use 2 TB to 1/2 cup popcorn
in a stove top popcorn maker (I have a special thin metal one with a
stirring gizmo that works dandy for this). I have the coconut oil on
auto order every 6 months which is just right for our uses (includes an
elederly dog who stops peeing on the carpet when she gets her coconut
oil fix).



--

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:45:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT),
> >> wrote: >>
> >> >> >.
> >> >> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
> >> >>
> >> >> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
> >> >
> >> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
> >>
> >> You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.
> >
> > Or preferring to eat vegan.
>
> Are there other reasons to go vegan than health and animal welfare?

Religion though more seen in India.

--

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 18:25:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Are there other reasons to go vegan than health and animal welfare?
>
>Religion though more seen in India.

Yes, the no kill factor. That leans a bit towards animal welfare,
although they probably do it purely for themselves and their next
lives.

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:59:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:33:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:e2okfb59rjeq5623r6aktt2q1lulc2tsco@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
>>>>>>>>slices
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
>>>>>>>>melts
>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
>>>>>>>>pepper,
>>>>>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>>>>>>>>normally
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
>>>>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
>>>>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not
>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
>>>>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
>>>>>>> yeast:
>>>>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>>
>>>>> School 1:
>>>>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
>>>>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> School 2:
>>>>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>
>>>>> My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>
>>>>And he's wrong.
>>>
>>> Ok, you're from School 2. I can choose between believing health
>>> professionals or people from the interwebs with no medical background
>>> whatsoever. Hmmm... tough one.
>>
>>Is your Dr. a registered dietician?
>
> I don't know. He's just the guy who says "avoid saturated fat" and I
> do that. A bit like when he mechanic tells me I need new brake pads. I
> believe that too.

Apples and oranges.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:45:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT),
>>> wrote: >>
>>> >> >.
>>> >> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>>> >>
>>> >> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>>> >
>>> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>>>
>>> You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.
>>
>>Or preferring to eat vegan.
>
> Are there other reasons to go vegan than health and animal welfare?

Low funds.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:38:53 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:59:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Is your Dr. a registered dietician?
>>
>> I don't know. He's just the guy who says "avoid saturated fat" and I
>> do that. A bit like when he mechanic tells me I need new brake pads. I
>> believe that too.
>
>Apples and oranges.

Both fruit.

--
Bruce

In article >,
says...


>
> On 3/29/2016 3:52 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
> > and not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
> > melts like cheese too. Here is the product:
> >
> > http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >
> > I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green pepper,
> > tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> > similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >
> > Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
> > a tofu fan, but this rocks!
>
>
> Julie! I try to stay away from cheese; it clogs the arteries.
> But that's not to say I don't often cut the cheese.
> Discuss this...............

You troll the most interesting groups, Kernel. A fermented tofu cheese
sandwich... how utterly fascinating!

--
Mustaffa Sheboygan

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:32:07 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:06:00 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:46:50 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> >> > your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
> >> > any bad Bad.
> >>
> >> It always matters, unless you're in denial.
> >
> >Here it is:
> >People whose HDL levels are less than 40 mg/dL are considered
> >seriously at risk for heart disease.
>
> Ok, regardless of their LDL.

That's the way I understand it.

--

sf

I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese helps prevent diabetes.

> wrote in message
...
>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese helps
>prevent diabetes.

Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...

In article >, cshenk1
@cox.net says...
>
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:45:19 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:35:40 -0700, sf > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT),
> > >> wrote: >>
> > >> >> >.
> > >> >> >why would you want non-cheese cheese?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
> > >> >
> > >> > There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
> > >>
> > >> You can also want to avoid dairy for animal welfare reasons.
> > >
> > > Or preferring to eat vegan.
> >
> > Are there other reasons to go vegan than health and animal welfare?
>
> Religion though more seen in India.

Moral high horse, seen in Bruce

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
> >> >> >>>slices and
> >> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
> >> >> >>>melts like
> >> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
> >> >> >>>pepper,
> >> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to
> >> >> >>>get a
> >> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
> >> >> >>>normally a
> >> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today.
> >> >> >> One
> >> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
> >> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not
> >> >> >> yet
> >> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
> >> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
> >> >> >> yeast:
> >> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
> >> >>
> >> >> School 1:
> >> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
> >> >> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
> >> >> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
> >> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
> >> >>
> >> >> School 2:
> >> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> >> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> >> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
> >> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
> >> >>
> >> >> My doctor is from school 1.
> >> >
> >> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
> >> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
> >> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
> >> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
> >> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
> >> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
> >> >40 or above.
> >>
> >> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> >> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
> >> any bad Bad.
> >
> > It always matters, unless you're in denial.
>
> My Endo. only tests the bad.

What a quack. Without a full lipid profile he can't properly assess
your cardio risk factor.

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...h-cholesterol-
lipid-panel?page=1#2

Routine NHS healthcare test at annual review, covers all four.

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> >> .. .
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
>> >> >> >>>slices and
>> >> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
>> >> >> >>>melts like
>> >> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
>> >> >> >>>pepper,
>> >> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to
>> >> >> >>>get a
>> >> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>> >> >> >>>normally a
>> >> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today.
>> >> >> >> One
>> >> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut
>> >> >> >> oil)
>> >> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> yet
>> >> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to
>> >> >> >> eat a
>> >> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and
>> >> >> >> nutritional
>> >> >> >> yeast:
>> >> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> School 1:
>> >> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter,
>> >> >> beef
>> >> >> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much -
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> >> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> School 2:
>> >> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> >> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>> >> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
>> >> >> disease."
>> >> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My doctor is from school 1.
>> >> >
>> >> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
>> >> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
>> >> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>> >> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
>> >> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>> >> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
>> >> >40 or above.
>> >>
>> >> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>> >> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
>> >> any bad Bad.
>> >
>> > It always matters, unless you're in denial.
>>
>> My Endo. only tests the bad.
>
> What a quack. Without a full lipid profile he can't properly assess
> your cardio risk factor.
>
> http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...h-cholesterol-
> lipid-panel?page=1#2
>
> Routine NHS healthcare test at annual review, covers all four.

They're behind the times. There's a newer test.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271079.php

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> wrote in message
...
>>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese helps
>>prevent diabetes.
>
>Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...

<rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?

On 3/30/2016 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese helps
>>> prevent diabetes.
>>
>> Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>
> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>

I hope they're BBQing Auztards like YOU!

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:41:50 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:33:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:23:10 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:18:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>School 1:
>>>>>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>>>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>School 2:
>>>>>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>>>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>>>>>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>>>>>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>>>>>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>>>>>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>>>>>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>>>>>
>>>>><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>>>>>
>>>>>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>>>>>years ago".
>>>>
>>>>I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
>>>>the stone-age.
>>>
>>>I know you disagree, but it shows that this matter wasn't resolved
>>>years ago. Personally, I'll just follow my doctor's advice.
>>
>>Fair enough, I prefer to go on decades of anecdotal evidence, also
>>research on native cultures whose diets were traditionally high in
>>saturated fats.
>
>But they lead completely differnt lives from us. Lots of factors are
>different between them and us. It's hard to say what causes what.

Sure it's a combination of things, and most of those people eat
anything but traditional diets these days... with the usual results.


>Or look at the Japanese. Relatively big smokers, but they get quite
>old because they do other things well, such as eat healthy.
>
>>The term 'saturated fats' is a problem to begin with because it
>>doesn't make any distinction between any type of saturated fats.
>>They're all lump under one umbrella.
>
>Yes, there are differences in the degree to which they increase bad
>cholesterol. I also don't mean to say you can't eat anything with
>saturated fat at all.

I eat a lot of saturated fats because I like them

Dairy, eggs, marbled meat, cooking in animal fats, etc. Despite that
my 'cholesterol' is very good. Not much is cooked in my kitchen that
isn't a basic ingredient such as veggies, meat or whatever. Not much
is pre-prepared or packaged, and I do think that makes a significant
difference. Getting plenty of exercise is a big factor too, of course.

IMO diets heavy in grains and soy are a much bigger concern.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 07:34:01 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:41:50 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:33:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:23:10 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:18:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>School 1:
>>>>>>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>>>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>>>>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>>>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>School 2:
>>>>>>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>>>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>>>>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>>>>>>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>>>>>>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>>>>>>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>>>>>>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>>>>>>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>>>>>>
>>>>>><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>>>>>>years ago".
>>>>>
>>>>>I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
>>>>>the stone-age.
>>>>
>>>>I know you disagree, but it shows that this matter wasn't resolved
>>>>years ago. Personally, I'll just follow my doctor's advice.
>>>
>>>Fair enough, I prefer to go on decades of anecdotal evidence, also
>>>research on native cultures whose diets were traditionally high in
>>>saturated fats.
>>
>>But they lead completely differnt lives from us. Lots of factors are
>>different between them and us. It's hard to say what causes what.
>
>Sure it's a combination of things, and most of those people eat
>anything but traditional diets these days... with the usual results.
>
>
>>Or look at the Japanese. Relatively big smokers, but they get quite
>>old because they do other things well, such as eat healthy.
>>
>>>The term 'saturated fats' is a problem to begin with because it
>>>doesn't make any distinction between any type of saturated fats.
>>>They're all lump under one umbrella.
>>
>>Yes, there are differences in the degree to which they increase bad
>>cholesterol. I also don't mean to say you can't eat anything with
>>saturated fat at all.
>
>I eat a lot of saturated fats because I like them
>
>Dairy, eggs, marbled meat, cooking in animal fats, etc. Despite that
>my 'cholesterol' is very good. Not much is cooked in my kitchen that
>isn't a basic ingredient such as veggies, meat or whatever. Not much
>is pre-prepared or packaged, and I do think that makes a significant
>difference. Getting plenty of exercise is a big factor too, of course.
>
>IMO diets heavy in grains and soy are a much bigger concern.

You're School 2. Who knows if in the end it turns out that school 2 is
right. But I don't think my health will suffer much from avoiding
coconut oil and I already don't eat meat anyway.

--
Bruce

On 3/30/2016 2:34 PM, Je�us wrote:
> I eat a lot of saturated fats because I like them

Keep it up, the sooner you artery out the better.

On 3/29/2016 4:35 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:46:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:28:05 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>>> .
>>> why would you want non-cheese cheese?
>>
>> If you don't want to eat dairy, for whichever reason.
>
> There are always goat and sheep cheeses to choose between.
>
Um... you don't think goat and sheep milk cheeses are dairy?

Jill

On 3/29/2016 12:04 PM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally a
>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>
> Sounds good, Julie. Rare that you find something that you love.

Yep. I'm glad she found something she really likes. (Hopefully she
won't go nuts buying it to the point where she burns out on it.)

Jill

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> wrote in message
...
>>>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese helps
>>>prevent diabetes.
>>
>>Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>
> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?

I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/29/2016 12:04 PM, Gary wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
>>> a
>>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>
>> Sounds good, Julie. Rare that you find something that you love.
>
> Yep. I'm glad she found something she really likes. (Hopefully she won't
> go nuts buying it to the point where she burns out on it.)

I won't. It's not cheap.

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:53:38 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> t...
> > In article >, says...
> >>
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >> >> .. .
> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as
> >> >> >> >>>slices and
> >> >> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it
> >> >> >> >>>melts like
> >> >> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
> >> >> >> >>>pepper,
> >> >> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to
> >> >> >> >>>get a
> >> >> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
> >> >> >> >>>normally a
> >> >> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today.
> >> >> >> >> One
> >> >> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut
> >> >> >> >> oil)
> >> >> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm
> >> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> >> yet
> >> >> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to
> >> >> >> >> eat a
> >> >> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and
> >> >> >> >> nutritional
> >> >> >> >> yeast:
> >> >> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> School 1:
> >> >> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter,
> >> >> >> beef
> >> >> >> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much -
> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
> >> >> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> School 2:
> >> >> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> >> >> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> >> >> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
> >> >> >> disease."
> >> >> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My doctor is from school 1.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff these
> >> >> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the raise
> >> >> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
> >> >> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad - if
> >> >> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
> >> >> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to be
> >> >> >40 or above.
> >> >>
> >> >> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
> >> >> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up for
> >> >> any bad Bad.
> >> >
> >> > It always matters, unless you're in denial.
> >>
> >> My Endo. only tests the bad.
> >
> > What a quack. Without a full lipid profile he can't properly assess
> > your cardio risk factor.
> >
> > http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...h-cholesterol-
> > lipid-panel?page=1#2
> >
> > Routine NHS healthcare test at annual review, covers all four.
>
> They're behind the times. There's a newer test.
>
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271079.php

ANOTHER QUACK SITE JULIE.

WHEN ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LEARN?

STAY OFF THE QUACK SITES.

On Tuesday, March 29, 2016 at 4:59:45 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:33:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Bruce" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
> m...
> >>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package as slices
> >>>>>>and
> >>>>>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still, it melts
> >>>>>>like
> >>>>>>cheese too. Here is the product:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with green
> >>>>>>pepper,
> >>>>>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used to get a
> >>>>>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
> >>>>>>normally
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket today. One
> >>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated coconut oil)
> >>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm not yet
> >>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to eat a
> >>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and nutritional
> >>>>> yeast:
> >>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
> >>>>
> >>>>Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
> >>>
> >>> School 1:
> >>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
> >>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much - or
> >>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
> >>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
> >>>
> >>> School 2:
> >>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
> >>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
> >>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
> >>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
> >>>
> >>> My doctor is from school 1.
> >>
> >>And he's wrong.
> >
> > Ok, you're from School 2. I can choose between believing health
> > professionals or people from the interwebs with no medical background
> > whatsoever. Hmmm... tough one.
>
> Is your Dr. a registered dietician?

Registered with who/whom?
The American Kennel Society perhaps?

On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 3/29/2016 12:04 PM, Gary wrote:
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
> >>> a
> >>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
> >>
> >> Sounds good, Julie. Rare that you find something that you love.
> >
> > Yep. I'm glad she found something she really likes. (Hopefully she won't
> > go nuts buying it to the point where she burns out on it.)
>
> I won't. It's not cheap.

Expensive doesn't necessarily equate with better or best when it comes to food...especially so with organic or so-called non-dairy products.
=====

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:40:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese helps
>>>>prevent diabetes.
>>>
>>>Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>>
>> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>
>I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.

Yes, Julie. Just like the 'healthy' food you currently eat.

On 3/30/2016 6:57 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 3/29/2016 12:04 PM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not normally
>>>>> a
>>>>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good, Julie. Rare that you find something that you love.
>>>
>>> Yep. I'm glad she found something she really likes. (Hopefully she won't
>>> go nuts buying it to the point where she burns out on it.)
>>
>> I won't. It's not cheap.
>
> Expensive doesn't necessarily equate with better or best when it comes to food...especially so with organic or so-called non-dairy products.
> =====
>
Hey, she likes this tofu faux cheese item. It sounds like she's not
going to try to buy a case of it. I do agree, expensive doesn't
necessarily have anything to do with "better".

Jill

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:53:38 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> t...
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "sf" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> >> >> .. .
>> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package
>> >> >> >> >>>as
>> >> >> >> >>>slices and
>> >> >> >> >>>not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still,
>> >> >> >> >>>it
>> >> >> >> >>>melts like
>> >> >> >> >>>cheese too. Here is the product:
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with
>> >> >> >> >>>green
>> >> >> >> >>>pepper,
>> >> >> >> >>>tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used
>> >> >> >> >>>to
>> >> >> >> >>>get a
>> >> >> >> >>>similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am
>> >> >> >> >>>not
>> >> >> >> >>>normally a
>> >> >> >> >>>tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket
>> >> >> >> >> today.
>> >> >> >> >> One
>> >> >> >> >> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated
>> >> >> >> >> coconut
>> >> >> >> >> oil)
>> >> >> >> >> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm
>> >> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> yet
>> >> >> >> >> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to
>> >> >> >> >> eat a
>> >> >> >> >> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and
>> >> >> >> >> nutritional
>> >> >> >> >> yeast:
>> >> >> >> >> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> School 1:
>> >> >> >> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than
>> >> >> >> butter,
>> >> >> >> beef
>> >> >> >> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as
>> >> >> >> much -
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>> >> >> >> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> School 2:
>> >> >> >> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>> >> >> >> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies
>> >> >> >> show
>> >> >> >> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
>> >> >> >> disease."
>> >> >> >> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> My doctor is from school 1.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff
>> >> >> >these
>> >> >> >days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the
>> >> >> >raise
>> >> >> >the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>> >> >> >reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad -
>> >> >> >if
>> >> >> >that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>> >> >> >dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to
>> >> >> >be
>> >> >> >40 or above.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>> >> >> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> any bad Bad.
>> >> >
>> >> > It always matters, unless you're in denial.
>> >>
>> >> My Endo. only tests the bad.
>> >
>> > What a quack. Without a full lipid profile he can't properly assess
>> > your cardio risk factor.
>> >
>> > http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...h-cholesterol-
>> > lipid-panel?page=1#2
>> >
>> > Routine NHS healthcare test at annual review, covers all four.
>>
>> They're behind the times. There's a newer test.
>>
>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271079.php
>
> ANOTHER QUACK SITE JULIE.
>
> WHEN ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LEARN?
>
> STAY OFF THE QUACK SITES.

There are other sites about it and it is what my Dr. uses.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:40:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>>>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese
>>>>>helps
>>>>>prevent diabetes.
>>>>
>>>>Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>>>
>>> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>>
>>I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.
>
> Yes, Julie. Just like the 'healthy' food you currently eat.

What's unhealthy about what I currently eat?

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 4:42:48 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 3/29/2016 12:04 PM, Gary wrote:
>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am not
>> >>> normally
>> >>> a
>> >>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>> >>
>> >> Sounds good, Julie. Rare that you find something that you love.
>> >
>> > Yep. I'm glad she found something she really likes. (Hopefully she
>> > won't
>> > go nuts buying it to the point where she burns out on it.)
>>
>> I won't. It's not cheap.
>
> Expensive doesn't necessarily equate with better or best when it comes to
> food...especially so with organic or so-called non-dairy products.
> =====

I didn't say that it did. But I won't buy it often because of the price.

On 3/30/2016 5:40 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:40:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and
>>>>>> cheese helps
>>>>>> prevent diabetes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>>>>
>>>> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>>>
>>> I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.
>>
>> Yes, Julie. Just like the 'healthy' food you currently eat.
>
> What's unhealthy about what I currently eat?

LOL!

....who knows, too many ice cubes?

%-0

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:53:38 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> slices and
>>>>>>>>>>>> not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> melts like
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with
>>>>>>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>>>>>>> pepper,
>>>>>>>>>>>> tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> normally a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket
>>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>>>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated
>>>>>>>>>>> coconut
>>>>>>>>>>> oil)
>>>>>>>>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to
>>>>>>>>>>> eat a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and
>>>>>>>>>>> nutritional
>>>>>>>>>>> yeast:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> School 1:
>>>>>>>>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than
>>>>>>>>> butter,
>>>>>>>>> beef
>>>>>>>>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as
>>>>>>>>> much -
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> School 2:
>>>>>>>>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>>>>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
>>>>>>>>> disease."
>>>>>>>>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the
>>>>>>>> raise
>>>>>>>> the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>>>>>>>> reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad -
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>>>>>>>> dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> 40 or above.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>>>>>>> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> any bad Bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It always matters, unless you're in denial.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Endo. only tests the bad.
>>>>
>>>> What a quack. Without a full lipid profile he can't properly assess
>>>> your cardio risk factor.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...h-cholesterol-
>>>> lipid-panel?page=1#2
>>>>
>>>> Routine NHS healthcare test at annual review, covers all four.
>>>
>>> They're behind the times. There's a newer test.
>>>
>>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271079.php
>>
>> ANOTHER QUACK SITE JULIE.
>>
>> WHEN ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LEARN?
>>
>> STAY OFF THE QUACK SITES.
>
> There are other sites about it and it is what my Dr. uses.
>
>

Are you sure about that, since it's not yet FDA approved...

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:40:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:40:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>>>>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese
>>>>>>helps
>>>>>>prevent diabetes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>>>>
>>>> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>>>
>>>I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.
>>
>> Yes, Julie. Just like the 'healthy' food you currently eat.
>
>What's unhealthy about what I currently eat?

Much of the stuff here that you post about.

On 3/30/2016 6:36 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:40:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:40:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese
>>>>>>> helps
>>>>>>> prevent diabetes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>>>>>
>>>>> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>>>>
>>>> I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.
>>>
>>> Yes, Julie. Just like the 'healthy' food you currently eat.
>>
>> What's unhealthy about what I currently eat?
>
> Much of the stuff here that you post about.
>

Feel free to **** OFF back to Auztardia and your own ****ant groups
then, you rabbit-killing vermin!

On 3/30/2016 4:34 PM, Je�us wrote:

> I eat a lot of saturated fats because I like them
>
> Dairy, eggs, marbled meat, cooking in animal fats, etc. Despite that
> my 'cholesterol' is very good. Not much is cooked in my kitchen that
> isn't a basic ingredient such as veggies, meat or whatever. Not much
> is pre-prepared or packaged, and I do think that makes a significant
> difference. Getting plenty of exercise is a big factor too, of course.
>
Genetics play a big part, too.

> IMO diets heavy in grains and soy are a much bigger concern.


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Cheryl

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 07:38:19 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 07:34:01 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:41:50 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:33:03 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:23:10 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:18:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:59:18 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 07:14:39 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>School 1:
>>>>>>>>>"Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than butter, beef
>>>>>>>>>tallow, or lard. “So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as much – or
>>>>>>>>>more – than animal fats,” cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>>>>>><https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>School 2:
>>>>>>>>>"Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>>>>>biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies show
>>>>>>>>>that there is no association between saturated fat and heart disease."
>>>>>>>>><https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You need a new doctor. I thought this issue was resolved years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Australian Heart Foundation is from School 1:
>>>>>>>"Eating a lot of saturated fat increases your blood cholesterol, in
>>>>>>>particular increasing the bad (LDL) cholesterol.
>>>>>>>Choosing foods with healthier fats instead helps to balance your blood
>>>>>>>cholesterol, by increasing the good (HDL) cholesterol and lowering the
>>>>>>>bad (LDL) cholesterol, which reduces your risk of heart disease."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><http://heartfoundation.org.au/healthy-eating/food-and-nutrition/fats-and-cholesterol/saturated-and-trans-fat>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At the very least, it's clear that this matter was not "resolved many
>>>>>>>years ago".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I disagree. As far as I'm concerned, the 'heart foundation' lives in
>>>>>>the stone-age.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know you disagree, but it shows that this matter wasn't resolved
>>>>>years ago. Personally, I'll just follow my doctor's advice.
>>>>
>>>>Fair enough, I prefer to go on decades of anecdotal evidence, also
>>>>research on native cultures whose diets were traditionally high in
>>>>saturated fats.
>>>
>>>But they lead completely differnt lives from us. Lots of factors are
>>>different between them and us. It's hard to say what causes what.
>>
>>Sure it's a combination of things, and most of those people eat
>>anything but traditional diets these days... with the usual results.
>>
>>
>>>Or look at the Japanese. Relatively big smokers, but they get quite
>>>old because they do other things well, such as eat healthy.
>>>
>>>>The term 'saturated fats' is a problem to begin with because it
>>>>doesn't make any distinction between any type of saturated fats.
>>>>They're all lump under one umbrella.
>>>
>>>Yes, there are differences in the degree to which they increase bad
>>>cholesterol. I also don't mean to say you can't eat anything with
>>>saturated fat at all.
>>
>>I eat a lot of saturated fats because I like them
>>
>>Dairy, eggs, marbled meat, cooking in animal fats, etc. Despite that
>>my 'cholesterol' is very good. Not much is cooked in my kitchen that
>>isn't a basic ingredient such as veggies, meat or whatever. Not much
>>is pre-prepared or packaged, and I do think that makes a significant
>>difference. Getting plenty of exercise is a big factor too, of course.
>>
>>IMO diets heavy in grains and soy are a much bigger concern.
>
>You're School 2. Who knows if in the end it turns out that school 2 is
>right. But I don't think my health will suffer much from avoiding
>coconut oil and I already don't eat meat anyway.

Indeed

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 20:47:39 -0400, Cheryl >
wrote:

>On 3/30/2016 4:34 PM, Je?us wrote:
>
>> I eat a lot of saturated fats because I like them
>>
>> Dairy, eggs, marbled meat, cooking in animal fats, etc. Despite that
>> my 'cholesterol' is very good. Not much is cooked in my kitchen that
>> isn't a basic ingredient such as veggies, meat or whatever. Not much
>> is pre-prepared or packaged, and I do think that makes a significant
>> difference. Getting plenty of exercise is a big factor too, of course.
>>
>Genetics play a big part, too.

True. I must get that side of my genes from my mother /if/ that's
making a big difference in my case. I know on my fathers side there's
been heart disease, diabetes and all that other good Anglo-Saxon stuff

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 16:40:32 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 15:40:54 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 04:41:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>I think the trans palmitoleic acid in whole milk, butter and cheese
>>>>>>>helps
>>>>>>>prevent diabetes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Didn't for me, my dad, my bro, some friends...
>>>>>
>>>>> <rolls eyes>. Wonder what the rest of their/your diet was like?
>>>>
>>>>I ate a whole foods, vegetarian diet. Lots of salad.
>>>
>>> Yes, Julie. Just like the 'healthy' food you currently eat.
>>
>>What's unhealthy about what I currently eat?
>
> Much of the stuff here that you post about.

Give examples. The ingredients in tonight's soup are Mayocoba beans, green
onion, cilantro, salsa verde, cumin, chili powder, salt, pepper, olive oil
and chicken broth.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> "Roy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2016 at 1:53:38 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>> t...
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:02:48 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 13:44:41 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:52:57 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:30:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 03:52:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angela pointed out that these are referred to on the package
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slices and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not cheese. But it tastes like cheese to me! Better still,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> melts like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheese too. Here is the product:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fieldroast.com/chaostory/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I purchased the plain one and made a toasted sandwich with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> green
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pepper,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tomato and red onion. Brings me back to the days when I used
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar sandwich at Sambo's restaurant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oddly enough, the product is made of fermented tofu. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tofu fan, but this rocks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good find. We bought two vegan cheeses at the supermarket
>>>>>>>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>>>>>>> (soy based) was terrible and one (23% non-hydrogenated
>>>>>>>>>>>> coconut
>>>>>>>>>>>> oil)
>>>>>>>>>>>> was very good. It tasted just like a young normal cheese. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if non-hydrogenated coconut oil is something you want to
>>>>>>>>>>>> eat a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of. Next is a home made experiment with cashews and
>>>>>>>>>>>> nutritional
>>>>>>>>>>>> yeast:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://vegangela.com/2011/10/15/homemade-vegan-cheese/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Coconut oil is healthy if not partially hydrogenated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> School 1:
>>>>>>>>>> "Ounce for ounce, coconut oil has more saturated fat than
>>>>>>>>>> butter,
>>>>>>>>>> beef
>>>>>>>>>> tallow, or lard. "So coconut oil raises LDL cholesterol as
>>>>>>>>>> much -
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> more - than animal fats," cautions Dr. Kenney."
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.pritikin.com/your-health/healthy-living/eating-right/1790-is-coconut-oil-bad-for-you.html>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> School 2:
>>>>>>>>>> "Saturated fat was unfairly demonized a few decades ago by a few
>>>>>>>>>> biased but highly influential scientists. However, new studies
>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>> that there is no association between saturated fat and heart
>>>>>>>>>> disease."
>>>>>>>>>> <https://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-coconut-oil-good-for-you/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My doctor is from school 1.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They break down the LDL into the good stuff and the bad stuff
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> days. Apparently it's easier to reduce the bad than it is the
>>>>>>>>> raise
>>>>>>>>> the good. At least that's the way it works for my husband. The
>>>>>>>>> reading for his Bad is always good, but his Good is always bad -
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> that makes any sense. His Good was finally a tic away from the
>>>>>>>>> dividing line on the last test. He was at 39 and it's supposed to
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> 40 or above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought that if your Bad was good, it didn't matter that much if
>>>>>>>> your Good was bad. But maybe your Good does more than just make up
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> any bad Bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It always matters, unless you're in denial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Endo. only tests the bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a quack. Without a full lipid profile he can't properly assess
>>>>> your cardio risk factor.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...h-cholesterol-
>>>>> lipid-panel?page=1#2
>>>>>
>>>>> Routine NHS healthcare test at annual review, covers all four.
>>>>
>>>> They're behind the times. There's a newer test.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/271079.php
>>>
>>> ANOTHER QUACK SITE JULIE.
>>>
>>> WHEN ARE YOU EVER GOING TO LEARN?
>>>
>>> STAY OFF THE QUACK SITES.
>>
>> There are other sites about it and it is what my Dr. uses.
>>
>>
>
> Are you sure about that, since it's not yet FDA approved...

Pretty sure that is what he gave me a while back.