Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.

Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!

http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
>
> Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
> classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
> summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
>
> --
>
> sf

I can't imagine paying that price for it either.

Cheri

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:55:08 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
>
> Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
> classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
> summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
>
> --
>
> sf

Where's it made? Cheap (or not so cheap) Chinese JUNK?

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Where's it made? Cheap (or not so cheap) Chinese JUNK?

I bought a new cheap pair of sunglasses a few months ago and I
love them. Foster Grants. Just noticed today that they say
"Made in China." lol!

Meanwhile, I have nothing against the Chinese. They need to
work too, John.

On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:03:26 -0800, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
>>
>> Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
>> classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
>> summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
>>
>> http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
>I can't imagine paying that price for it either.
>
>Cheri

Ninety nine times out of a hundred this is all anyone needs... easily
fits in a kitchen drawer:
http://www.amazon.com/KitchenAid-KHM...Aid+hand+mixer
I have the seven speed model, bought it about ten years ago... does
everything I'd ever use a mixer for. I rarely make up bread dough
these days except in my ABM, or occasionally by hand.

On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 7:55:08 PM UTC-10, sf wrote:
> Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
>
> Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
> classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
> summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
>
> http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
>
> --
>
> sf

I've never had a KitchenAid stand mixer but my daughter has one. One of these smaller ones would be a better fit in the kitchen.

She's working on her baking chops. She made some oat cakes and salted caramel bars. They're pretty good. I wish she would make pie. That would be spiffy.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:17:38 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> > Where's it made? Cheap (or not so cheap) Chinese JUNK?
>
> I bought a new cheap pair of sunglasses a few months ago and I
> love them. Foster Grants. Just noticed today that they say
> "Made in China." lol!
>
> Meanwhile, I have nothing against the Chinese. They need to
> work too, John.

If history has taught us anything, it is that any country can make cheap junk. We've made some of the most god-awful cars in the North Americas. What is surprising to me is that they can build a world-class quality car in Alabama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH-QJLewLnk

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 12:56:05 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:17:38 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> > >
> > > Where's it made? Cheap (or not so cheap) Chinese JUNK?
> >
> > I bought a new cheap pair of sunglasses a few months ago and I
> > love them. Foster Grants. Just noticed today that they say
> > "Made in China." lol!
> >
> > Meanwhile, I have nothing against the Chinese. They need to
> > work too, John.
>
> If history has taught us anything, it is that any country can make cheap junk. We've made some of the most god-awful cars in the North Americas. What is surprising to me is that they can build a world-class quality car in Alabama.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH-QJLewLnk

Truedat! Anyone can make cheap JUNK, and glub knows plenty of United Statesians have. But that's where free market forces come in. Stop financially supporting cheap junk and it goes away! But when all we have in a preponderance of availability is cheap Chinese JUNK that some of the billionaire Ownership class are getting richer and richer on, and we have nothing else available for purchase, this is a corrupt system of formerly "free" enterprise!

John Kuthe...

Brooklyn1 > wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:03:26 -0800, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
>>>
>>> Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
>>> classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
>>> summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
>>>
>>> http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> sf
>>
>> I can't imagine paying that price for it either.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Ninety nine times out of a hundred this is all anyone needs... easily
> fits in a kitchen drawer:
> http://www.amazon.com/KitchenAid-KHM...Aid+hand+mixer
> I have the seven speed model, bought it about ten years ago... does
> everything I'd ever use a mixer for. I rarely make up bread dough
> these days except in my ABM, or occasionally by hand.
>
>
>

I love my Kitchenaid hand mixer too, but I can't hold it for long anymore
so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.

--
jinx the minx

On 2016-03-10 1:16 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> I bought a new cheap pair of sunglasses a few months ago and I
> love them. Foster Grants. Just noticed today that they say
> "Made in China." lol!
>
> Meanwhile, I have nothing against the Chinese. They need to
> work too, John.
>


Not too long ago I complained to the produce manager in a local grocery
story about the amount of Chinese produce they had. I was especially
concerned about things like snow peas and garlic, the things that don't
get enough cooking time to kill all those Chinese cooties. He told me
that the people in China had to eat too. I told him so did the people
who ran the local Zehrs, which did not have Chinese produce.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> wrote:

>Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2016 23:03:26 -0800, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
>>>>
>>>> Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
>>>> classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
>>>> summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> I can't imagine paying that price for it either.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Ninety nine times out of a hundred this is all anyone needs... easily
>> fits in a kitchen drawer:
>> http://www.amazon.com/KitchenAid-KHM...Aid+hand+mixer
>> I have the seven speed model, bought it about ten years ago... does
>> everything I'd ever use a mixer for. I rarely make up bread dough
>> these days except in my ABM, or occasionally by hand.
>
>I love my Kitchenaid hand mixer too, but I can't hold it for long anymore

Very few things require mixing for more than three minutes... these
days I most often use my mixer to beat eggs for one of my dozen egg
omelets... one minute is plenty mixing.

>so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.

I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
time cleaning than mixing.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:10:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> wrote:

snip.
>
>>so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
>
>I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
>time cleaning than mixing.
>
What on earth? What kind of mess do you make?
Janet US

I have the large KitchenAid 6 qt mixer with the lift and really enjoy it. My only problem is that it can't live on my kitchen counter because of the upper cabinets. It has a dedicated place on a movable cart in the corner, which I roll to the sink/refrigerator area when I need to. It's very easy to clean. I can see how the smaller one might be more practical, space-wise, but I make batches of food way too big for anything smaller. Also, $400 is more than I paid for my big one, and it came with the food slicer/chopper for free.

Denise in NH

On 3/10/2016 8:29 PM, wrote:

> I have the large KitchenAid 6 qt mixer with the lift and really enjoy
> it. My only problem is that it can't live on my kitchen counter
> because of the upper cabinets. It has a dedicated place on a movable
> cart in the corner, which I roll to the sink/refrigerator area when I
> need to. It's very easy to clean. I can see how the smaller one
> might be more practical, space-wise, but I make batches of food way
> too big for anything smaller. Also, $400 is more than I paid for my
> big one, and it came with the food slicer/chopper for free.
>
> Denise in NH
>
I love that you have a moveable cart for it! I used to have a butcher
block with wheels that I'd use when I needed extra counter space for
something like an electric roaster and when using it there was no need
to take up extra space counter space. Then my problem with that came
about because I didn't have room in the kitchen for the butcher block
and it ended up in a corner in the hall. I sadly gave it away. Sometimes
I wish I still had it but it just wasn't used enough.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:

>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
>
> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> time cleaning than mixing.
>
>

My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.

MaryL

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:09:11 -0700, Janet B >
wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:10:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
> snip.
> >
> >>so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
> >
> >I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> >time cleaning than mixing.
> >
> What on earth? What kind of mess do you make?
> Janet US

He's the type that won't use a food processor because it's so hard to
clean. Probably doesn't use a dishwasher either because it's too hard
to empty.

--

sf

On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 09:08:38 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 9, 2016 at 11:55:08 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> > Coming this summer: Artisan Mini line.
> >
> > Artisan Mini's are 3.5-quart (4-liter) versions of KitchenAid's
> > classic mixers, 20% smaller and 25% lighter - available in the US this
> > summer for $400 (USD) and elsewhere later this year. Such a deal!
> >
> > http://www.cnet.com/products/kitchen...i-stand-mixer/
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> Where's it made? Cheap (or not so cheap) Chinese JUNK?
>

Why don't you find out for yourself and get back to us on that.


--

sf

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I have the large KitchenAid 6 qt mixer with the lift and really enjoy it. My only problem is that it can't live on my kitchen counter because of the upper cabinets.

I hear you. We re-worked some of our kitchen a few years ago, and made
sure we left room for the stand mixer. My husband made a custom cabinet
for the microwave that left enough clearance for the mixer. Ironically,
we had to move everything around when his shoulder went bad (the microwave,
which he uses frequently, was too high), and the stand mixer now resides
in a closet. It is on a thing with wheels, so should we want to use it,
it's reasonably convenient.

Cindy Hamilton

My microwave is also on its own cart. My husband and I aren't coffee drinkers, but I will drink instant mochas, cocoa, and tea, so I use the cart as my hot drink "station". Cups, spoons, trivet, cloth napkins are all right by the microwave. Being a quilter, I have made a few quilted cloth bowls to hold hot things when they come out of the microwave, I think they're called microwave cozies. They're a bowl shaped potholder that you place your glass bowl into before you nuke something. Makes it less dangerous to remove steaming hot things. This cart was made out of an old kitchen cabinet that I installed a Formica top to and added casters, although I rarely move it.. The inside holds serving bowls, the attachments to my KitchenAid, and jars and other containers for my herbal concoctions.

Denise in NH

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 03:51:19 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> I have the large KitchenAid 6 qt mixer with the lift and really enjoy it. My only problem is that it can't live on my kitchen counter because of the upper cabinets.
>
>I hear you. We re-worked some of our kitchen a few years ago, and made
>sure we left room for the stand mixer. My husband made a custom cabinet
>for the microwave that left enough clearance for the mixer. Ironically,
>we had to move everything around when his shoulder went bad (the microwave,
>which he uses frequently, was too high), and the stand mixer now resides
>in a closet. It is on a thing with wheels, so should we want to use it,
>it's reasonably convenient.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
the new mixers and food processors (at least from Kitchenaid) are
designed to fit under standard cupboards.
Janet US

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
> wrote:

>On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>
>>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
>>
>> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
>> time cleaning than mixing.
>>
>>
>
>My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
>growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
>in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
>moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
>cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
>
>MaryL

It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:09:11 -0700, Janet B >
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:10:12 -0500, Brooklyn1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> > > wrote:
> >
> > snip.
> > >
> > >>so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
> > >
> > >I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> > >time cleaning than mixing.
> > >
> > What on earth? What kind of mess do you make?
> > Janet US
>
> He's the type that won't use a food processor because it's so hard to
> clean. Probably doesn't use a dishwasher either because it's too hard
> to empty.

Probably uses paper plates because real ones are so hard to wash.

Janet UK

On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 10:20:55 AM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
> > wrote:
>
> >On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
> >
> >>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
> >>
> >> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> >> time cleaning than mixing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
> >growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
> >in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
> >moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
> >cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
> >
> >MaryL
>
> It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
> Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
> transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
> an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
> intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output...

What, you expect the manufactureres to put the mixer on a dynomomer and MEASURE the precise power applied by the mixer motor's output? HA!!! Of course the Wattage figure is the atts of electricity consumed by the motor. Electric motors are rated as to the number of Watts of electricity they consume. And yes there will always be power/energy lost as heat, that is the nature of electrical motors. It's the laws of thermodynamics.

Now go slice up some food with your mad cutlery skills and leave the engineering talk to engineers, OK?

John Kuthe...

On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:20:55 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
> > wrote:
>
> >On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
> >
> >>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
> >>
> >> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> >> time cleaning than mixing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
> >growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
> >in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
> >moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
> >cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
> >
> >MaryL
>
> It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
> Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
> transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
> an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
> intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
> KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
> producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
> knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
> status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
> cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
> KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
> stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
> month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
> no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
> had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
> and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
> spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
> all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
> occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
> lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
> loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
> an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
> actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
> dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI

I agree with Sheldon. My stand KA mixer has been in the upper cabinet for the last 6 years (since we moved to a smaller place). I can grab my KA hand mixer for any jobs I have for mixing and it works fine. I really need to find a nice home for my stand mixer and give to to someone who would use it. It is an older, quality model. I did not know my niece wanted one, and she already bought one before I could offer her my used one.

DaleP

On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 12:29:30 PM UTC-6, dalep wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:20:55 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
> > >
> > >>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
> > >>
> > >> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> > >> time cleaning than mixing.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
> > >growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
> > >in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
> > >moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
> > >cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
> > >
> > >MaryL
> >
> > It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
> > Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
> > transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
> > an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
> > intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
> > KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
> > producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
> > knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
> > status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
> > cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
> > KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
> > stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
> > month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
> > no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
> > had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
> > and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
> > spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
> > all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
> > occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
> > lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
> > loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
> > an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
> > actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
> > dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI
>
> I agree with Sheldon. My stand KA mixer has been in the upper cabinet for the last 6 years (since we moved to a smaller place). I can grab my KA hand mixer for any jobs I have for mixing and it works fine. I really need to find a nice home for my stand mixer and give to to someone who would use it. It is an older, quality model. I did not know my niece wanted one, and she already bought one before I could offer her my used one.
>
> DaleP

An "older quality" model made in the USA, NOT cheap Chinese JUNK, eh? ;-)

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 12:29:30 PM UTC-6, dalep wrote:
>> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:20:55 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
>>>>> time cleaning than mixing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
>>>> growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
>>>> in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
>>>> moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
>>>> cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
>>>>
>>>> MaryL
>>>
>>> It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
>>> Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
>>> transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
>>> an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
>>> intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
>>> KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
>>> producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
>>> knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
>>> status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
>>> cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
>>> KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
>>> stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
>>> month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
>>> no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
>>> had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
>>> and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
>>> spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
>>> all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
>>> occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
>>> lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
>>> loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
>>> an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
>>> actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
>>> dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI
>>
>> I agree with Sheldon. My stand KA mixer has been in the upper cabinet
>> for the last 6 years (since we moved to a smaller place). I can grab my
>> KA hand mixer for any jobs I have for mixing and it works fine. I
>> really need to find a nice home for my stand mixer and give to to
>> someone who would use it. It is an older, quality model. I did not
>> know my niece wanted one, and she already bought one before I could offer her my used one.
>>
>> DaleP
>
> An "older quality" model made in the USA, NOT cheap Chinese JUNK, eh? ;-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>

The new ones are made in the USA.

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On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 6:20:55 AM UTC-10, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
> > wrote:
>
> >On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
> >
> >>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
> >>
> >> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
> >> time cleaning than mixing.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
> >growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
> >in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
> >moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
> >cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
> >
> >MaryL
>
> It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
> Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
> transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
> an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
> intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
> KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
> producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
> knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
> status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
> cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
> KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
> stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
> month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
> no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
> had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
> and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
> spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
> all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
> occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
> lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
> loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
> an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
> actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
> dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI

Wattage is what sells small appliances. It makes a lot of sense if you're buying a microwave or electric kettle or small hand mixer to get one with the highest wattage rating. Power output and efficiency ratings would be interesting but they don't give out that information most times. If you're trying to say that most folks don't need a big stand mixer I'd agree. Consumer grade electric mixers don't need no stinkin' transmissions.

On 3/11/2016 10:20 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
> > wrote:
>
>> On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>
>>>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
>>>
>>> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
>>> time cleaning than mixing.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
>> growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
>> in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
>> moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
>> cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
>>
>> MaryL
>
> It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
> Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
> transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
> an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
> intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
> KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
> producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
> knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
> status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
> cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
> KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
> stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
> month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
> no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
> had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
> and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
> spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
> all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
> occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
> lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
> loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
> an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
> actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
> dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI
>

My sister has my mother's old Kitchen Aid stand mixer, and I think it
still works. I remember it having very frequent use when I was growing
up. My parents kept all of their tools clean, and I do not remember
having any difficulty cleaning the KA when I used it (although, as you
said, flour would fly and cover everything). Mother always baked her
own bread, but she did not use the KA for that. She mixed and kneaded
everything by hand. The only time we had store-bought bread was when we
wanted to let some get a little stale in preparation for dressing for
the turkey at Thanksgiving and Christmas. She also made a lot of
home-made dough for pies, noodles (which she would roll out on the
counter, then cut into strips and let them lie there for awhile). She
made fantastic sweet rolls. Those are wonderful memories, even those
they were very high in calories.

MaryL

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:51:06 -0600, jinx the minx
> wrote:

>John Kuthe > wrote:
>> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 12:29:30 PM UTC-6, dalep wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 9:20:55 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:08:16 -0600, MaryL
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/10/2016 3:10 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 13:14:42 -0600, jinx the minx
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brooklyn1 > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> so I bought myself a big stand mixer for Christmas--the 5qt. bowl lift one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
>>>>>> time cleaning than mixing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My mother used one of the old Kitchen Aid stand mixer's when I was
>>>>> growing up. She used it for her entire married life, and it was still
>>>>> in good condition after my father died and I became her caregiver (she
>>>>> moved in with me). Clean-up was easy! It was no more difficult than
>>>>> cleaning a hand mixer. The only drawback was that it was big and heavy.
>>>>>
>>>>> MaryL
>>>>
>>>> It was heavy because your mother's old machine was probably made by
>>>> Hobart. Today's Kitchen Aid stand mixers are crap, they have no
>>>> transmission, they employ a dimmer switch/rheostat instead. Anytime
>>>> an appliance company is touting Wattage they are pandering to least
>>>> intelligent; Wattage is electricity consumed, NOT power output... and
>>>> KA stand mixers are very inneffient, most of that high wattage is for
>>>> producing heat, KA should be in the hair dryer business. Kitchen Aid
>>>> knows that most people are buying their stand mixers to display, as
>>>> status symbols, to make a statement that someone here knows how to
>>>> cook even though most who display those mixers can't cook a lick, and
>>>> KA knows that very well, which is why they produce their Toys R Us
>>>> stand mixers in so many models and so many outrageous flavor of the
>>>> month colors. If your mom's old mixer is working hold on to it. Still
>>>> no way is it easier to clean a stand mixer than a hand held... I've
>>>> had stand mixers, every time they're used they become covered in dust
>>>> and spatter in all their nooks and crannies (why do you think KA sells
>>>> spatter shields), it's not posssible to use flour without having dust
>>>> all over. A hand held mixer's small motor housing only needs an
>>>> occasional quick wipe with a damp towel. Unless someone is doing a
>>>> lot of yeast dough baking or are too handicapped to knead a couple
>>>> loaves worth by hand they don't need a stand mixer. I no longer feed
>>>> an entire crew, my ABM is perfect for making up yeast dough, it's
>>>> actually better at kneading than a dough hook, ABMs simulate a
>>>> dedicated kneading machine of the type large bakeries use.
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HHnbVUbrwI
>>>
>>> I agree with Sheldon. My stand KA mixer has been in the upper cabinet
>>> for the last 6 years (since we moved to a smaller place). I can grab my
>>> KA hand mixer for any jobs I have for mixing and it works fine. I
>>> really need to find a nice home for my stand mixer and give to to
>>> someone who would use it. It is an older, quality model. I did not
>>> know my niece wanted one, and she already bought one before I could offer her my used one.
>>>
>>> DaleP
>>
>> An "older quality" model made in the USA, NOT cheap Chinese JUNK, eh? ;-)
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>The new ones are made in the USA.

Yes, the US makes plenty of crappy products nowadays because no one in
the US is trained in how to make things plus young people in the US
are deathly ascared of dirty hands, calluses, and perspiration. The
primary reason so many people in the US are unemployed is because
there aren't nearly enough desk driving jobs to go around.
Actually an absolute fact is the Chinese are far better than Americans
are at manufacturing quality products nowadays... the Chinese highly
regard their skilled trades apprenticeship programs, the US has NONE!

On 2016-03-11 6:08 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 18:09:11 -0700, Janet B >
> wrote:
>

>>> I hope you enjoy cleaning it... when I had a stand mixer I spent more
>>> time cleaning than mixing.
>>>
>> What on earth? What kind of mess do you make?
>> Janet US
>
> He's the type that won't use a food processor because it's so hard to
> clean. Probably doesn't use a dishwasher either because it's too hard
> to empty.
>


I can appreciate the attitude toward both. I have to do a lot of
chopping, slicing or grating before I will dig out the food processor
and the pieces and then have to clean them. As for the dishwasher, I
find it easier to spend a coupe minutes doing dished by hand than
loading and unloading a dishwasher.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:24:19 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

> Wattage is what sells small appliances. It makes a lot of sense if you're buying a microwave or electric kettle or small hand mixer to get one with the highest wattage rating. Power output and efficiency ratings would be interesting but they don't give out that information most times. If you're trying to say that most folks don't need a big stand mixer I'd agree. Consumer grade electric mixers don't need no stinkin' transmissions.

What annoys me is when I'm shopping for an appliance, I get horsepower
info on one and amp/watts on another.

--

sf