On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:58:36 -0800 (PST), Helpful person
> wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:54:13 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:42:37 -0800 (PST), Helpful person wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:19:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:43:04 -0800 (PST), Helpful person wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >I always warm my plates in the oven. I considered a warming drawer when remodeling the kitchen but decided I no good place to put it. Instead of a warming drawer it's better to put in an extra oven.
> > >> >
> > >> >http://www.richardfisher.com
> > >>
> > >> Or one can run a hot tap over them in the kitchen sink -
> > >
> > >Much less convenient, especially if you also want to keep food hot.
> > >
> > >http://www.richardfisher.com
> >
> > It is a quick way to warm the dish before serving though -
>
> True.
>
First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
not anything an apartment dweller would care about.


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sf

On 1/26/2016 11:42 AM, sf wrote:

> First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
> not anything an apartment dweller would care about.

My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
to consider.

nancy

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/26/2016 11:42 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
>> not anything an apartment dweller would care about.
>
>My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>to consider.
>
>nancy

I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.

wrote:
> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.

You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding school,
you risible ****.

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:43:09 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:

> wrote:
> > I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>
> You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding school,
> you risible ****.

She should preface her just use "hot water" puffery with the fact that
the suggestion only works for water wasters and those with an instant
hot water dispenser.

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sf

"sf" > wrote in message
news
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:43:09 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>> > I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>
>> You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding school,
>> you risible ****.
>
> She should preface her just use "hot water" puffery with the fact that
> the suggestion only works for water wasters and those with an instant
> hot water dispenser.

Why is it puffery??? Is an instant water heater so unusual in the US???

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On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:

> Why is it puffery??? Is an instant water heater so unusual in the US???

Yes, they are pretty unusual. The most common arrangement by far is a
tank water heater that keeps 40-60 gallons of water heated at all times,
as the only source of domestic hot water. A tiny fraction of homes have
a unit under the kitchen sink to provide instant hot water, and a growing
(but still small) minority have on-demand water heaters.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 4:28:07 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Why is it puffery??? Is an instant water heater so unusual in the US???


It's fairly unusual. It's not like in the UK where Ascots have been common for 50+ years.

http://www.richardfisher.com

Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:43:09 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>>
>>> You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding school,
>>> you risible ****.
>>
>> She should preface her just use "hot water" puffery with the fact that
>> the suggestion only works for water wasters and those with an instant
>> hot water dispenser.
>
> Why is it puffery??? Is an instant water heater so unusual in the US???
>
a: Yes.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 09:27:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> news
> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:43:09 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
> >>
> >> You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding school,
> >> you risible ****.
> >
> > She should preface her just use "hot water" puffery with the fact that
> > the suggestion only works for water wasters and those with an instant
> > hot water dispenser.
>
> Why is it puffery??? Is an instant water heater so unusual in the US???

Yes.

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sf

On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 6:16:57 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:43:09 -0700, cibola de oro > wrote:
>
> > wrote:
> > > I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
> >
> > You brag like the spoiled rich bitch who went to Swiss boarding school,
> > you risible ****.
>
> She should preface her just use "hot water" puffery with the fact that
> the suggestion only works for water wasters and those with an instant
> hot water dispenser.

When I run water down the drain, it isn't wasted. It's treated,
discharged into Lake Erie (via the Huron River), and is then available
for Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo and points east. Our water authority
brags that it's cleaner after it leaves the wastewater treatment plant
than it was when it entered the water treatment plant in Lake St. Clair.

What's wasted, of course, are the chemicals to treat it before and
after it's at my tap, and the energy to heat it.

Cindy Hamilton

On 1/27/2016 6:54 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> When I run water down the drain, it isn't wasted. It's treated,
> discharged into Lake Erie (via the Huron River), and is then available
> for Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo and points east. Our water authority
> brags that it's cleaner after it leaves the wastewater treatment plant
> than it was when it entered the water treatment plant in Lake St. Clair.

My problem is that it does not go where it's needed ... back into the
reservoir. I pass by it all the time, it's only a mile or so from my
house, and when you see a lot of shoreline and 'sand bars' you know
we're running low on fresh water.

Our sewage is, of course, treated, then sent out into the ocean where it
would have gone on its own anyway.

nancy

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> When I run water down the drain, it isn't wasted. It's treated,
> discharged into Lake Erie (via the Huron River), and is then available
> for Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo and points east. Our water authority
> brags that it's cleaner after it leaves the wastewater treatment plant
> than it was when it entered the water treatment plant in Lake St. Clair.
>
> What's wasted, of course, are the chemicals to treat it before and
> after it's at my tap, and the energy to heat it.


IIRC isn't the total amount of water in the world "finite" - but also "constant", e.g. it's impossible to "waste" water...???


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Greg

On 1/26/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2016 11:42 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>>> First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
>>> not anything an apartment dweller would care about.
>>
>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>> to consider.

> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.

That's a nice feature, but most people don't have that.

nancy

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:12:31 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/26/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 11:42 AM, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
>>>> not anything an apartment dweller would care about.
>>>
>>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>>> to consider.
>
>> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>
>That's a nice feature, but most people don't have that.
>
>nancy

I mentioned it really because sf was accusatory and actually I am very
good at not wasting My power bill is a fraction of some friends,
but then they go from room to room leaving lights on etc. I also
loathe to turn the oven on for just one item etc etc.

If I was still in a house I would install one of those on demand water
heating thingies, they are very good.

On 1/26/2016 4:17 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:12:31 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
>>> > wrote:

>>> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>
>> That's a nice feature, but most people don't have that.

> I mentioned it really because sf was accusatory and actually I am very
> good at not wasting

I get it, but when you live with drought, it sensitizes you to
the idea of just running water down the drain for nothing.
Like the moisturizer I use, it says to put it on and rinse it
off. Then wash the tub. Like they're on a mission to drain all
the reservoirs. Somehow I get by using less and not rinsing off
the 'extra.'

> My power bill is a fraction of some friends,
> but then they go from room to room leaving lights on etc. I also
> loathe to turn the oven on for just one item etc etc.

Sorry if I seemed to be jumping on you, I didn't mean it to
be personally directed at you.

> If I was still in a house I would install one of those on demand water
> heating thingies, they are very good.

I have considered those, though I am sure spending a lot of money
on that would be a hard sell.

nancy

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:29:14 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/26/2016 4:17 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:12:31 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>
>>>> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>>
>>> That's a nice feature, but most people don't have that.
>
>> I mentioned it really because sf was accusatory and actually I am very
>> good at not wasting
>
>I get it, but when you live with drought, it sensitizes you to
>the idea of just running water down the drain for nothing.
>Like the moisturizer I use, it says to put it on and rinse it
>off. Then wash the tub. Like they're on a mission to drain all
>the reservoirs. Somehow I get by using less and not rinsing off
>the 'extra.'
>
>> My power bill is a fraction of some friends,
>> but then they go from room to room leaving lights on etc. I also
>> loathe to turn the oven on for just one item etc etc.
>
>Sorry if I seemed to be jumping on you, I didn't mean it to
>be personally directed at you.

That's okay
>
>> If I was still in a house I would install one of those on demand water
>> heating thingies, they are very good.
>
>I have considered those, though I am sure spending a lot of money
>on that would be a hard sell.
>
>nancy

I don't know the price on them, before I moved to the condo I was
considering installing a generator more than instant water heaters as
I had just undergone ten days without power - and on a well

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/26/2016 4:17 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:12:31 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:01:34 -0500, Nancy Young
>>>> > wrote:
>
>>>> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>>
>>> That's a nice feature, but most people don't have that.
>
>> I mentioned it really because sf was accusatory and actually I am very
>> good at not wasting
>
> I get it, but when you live with drought, it sensitizes you to
> the idea of just running water down the drain for nothing.
> Like the moisturizer I use, it says to put it on and rinse it
> off. Then wash the tub. Like they're on a mission to drain all
> the reservoirs. Somehow I get by using less and not rinsing off
> the 'extra.'
>
>> My power bill is a fraction of some friends,
>> but then they go from room to room leaving lights on etc. I also
>> loathe to turn the oven on for just one item etc etc.
>
> Sorry if I seemed to be jumping on you, I didn't mean it to
> be personally directed at you.
>
>> If I was still in a house I would install one of those on demand water
>> heating thingies, they are very good.
>
> I have considered those, though I am sure spending a lot of money
> on that would be a hard sell.

Do you mean a 'combi boiler'? Believe me, they are worth every penny!!

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/ar...a-combi-boiler


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On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 11:40:40 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>
> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>
>
Is it one of those on demand hot water heaters or one
of those doo-hickeys for instant coffee or hot chocolate,
etc.??

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:46:37 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 11:40:40 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>
>> I have instant hot water, none is wasted here.
>>
>>
>Is it one of those on demand hot water heaters or one
>of those doo-hickeys for instant coffee or hot chocolate,
>etc.??

No, I am in a condo and we converted to gas three or four years ago
now and when I turn on a tap, presto hot water, it's very nice.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/26/2016 11:42 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
>> not anything an apartment dweller would care about.
>
> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
> to consider.
>
> nancy

Here in CA we do have to be very aware of water waste because of the drought
so that would not be an option for me.

Cheri

On 1/26/2016 3:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>> to consider.

> Here in CA we do have to be very aware of water waste because of the
> drought so that would not be an option for me.

I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
think about why you're running the faucet.

nancy

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:37:22 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/26/2016 3:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>>> to consider.
>
>> Here in CA we do have to be very aware of water waste because of the
>> drought so that would not be an option for me.
>
>I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>think about why you're running the faucet.
>
>nancy

And do you turn the tap off while you wash your teeth? I have always
done so even though I live in well watered parts.

On 1/26/2016 5:43 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:37:22 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>> think about why you're running the faucet.

> And do you turn the tap off while you wash your teeth? I have always
> done so even though I live in well watered parts.

Yes, for sure. Even while lathering u my hands. I'm no
angel, don't get me wrong, but I do try to be mindful of the
water than goes down the drain unused.

nancy

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:48:41 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 1/26/2016 5:43 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:37:22 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>>> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>>> think about why you're running the faucet.
>
>> And do you turn the tap off while you wash your teeth? I have always
>> done so even though I live in well watered parts.
>
>Yes, for sure. Even while lathering u my hands. I'm no
>angel, don't get me wrong, but I do try to be mindful of the
>water than goes down the drain unused.
>
>nancy

It's odd that if you raise those points with people they often look
blank. I would have thought even an idiot could see how much water
goes down the drain if you run the tap while cleaning your teeth
Must be a gallon or more. I also put in a low flo toilet which
replaced an original one that took about five gallons a fill. Most
have been replaced in this building now and we had drives to get
everyone on to LED light bulbs etc.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/26/2016 5:43 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:37:22 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>>> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>>> think about why you're running the faucet.
>
>> And do you turn the tap off while you wash your teeth? I have always
>> done so even though I live in well watered parts.
>
> Yes, for sure. Even while lathering u my hands. I'm no
> angel, don't get me wrong, but I do try to be mindful of the
> water than goes down the drain unused.
>
>
You could put the plug in the sink while you are doing that.



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On 26/01/2016 3:43 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:37:22 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
>> On 1/26/2016 3:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>
>>>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>>>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>>>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>>>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>>>> to consider.
>>
>>> Here in CA we do have to be very aware of water waste because of the
>>> drought so that would not be an option for me.
>>
>> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>> think about why you're running the faucet.
>>
>> nancy
>
> And do you turn the tap off while you wash your teeth? I have always
> done so even though I live in well watered parts.
>
My Mother never wasted water. It came from the time when we lived in an
isolated farmhouse and she had to carry buckets nearly half a mile.
Graham

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people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:27:39 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 26/01/2016 3:43 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:37:22 -0500, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/26/2016 3:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>>
>>>>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>>>>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>>>>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>>>>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>>>>> to consider.
>>>
>>>> Here in CA we do have to be very aware of water waste because of the
>>>> drought so that would not be an option for me.
>>>
>>> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>>> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>>> think about why you're running the faucet.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> And do you turn the tap off while you wash your teeth? I have always
>> done so even though I live in well watered parts.
>>
>My Mother never wasted water. It came from the time when we lived in an
>isolated farmhouse and she had to carry buckets nearly half a mile.
>Graham

I know how she felt. The well pump failed at my fathers place in
Spain one summer and I was hauling up buckets of water, carrying them
to the house in a wheel barrow in extreme heat to find my mother
washing the kids hair with generous splashing of water. She didn't
really understand why I felt mad lol

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/26/2016 3:24 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> My thought exactly, all that water down the drain. I feel the
>>> same way about running water till it's hot just to wash a plate
>>> or a pot. I don't know if I'm technically in a drought situation
>>> right now, especially with this snow, but I think it's something
>>> to consider.
>
>> Here in CA we do have to be very aware of water waste because of the
>> drought so that would not be an option for me.
>
> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
> think about why you're running the faucet.
>
> nancy

Yes, it does become second nature after awhile, plus the fact that the water
bill is about half of what it used to be.

Cheri

On 1/26/2016 5:37 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
> think about why you're running the faucet.

I didn't know you were in a rain deficit last summer! I'm only a couple
of hours south of you (by ground) and we had more rain last summer than
I remember in a long time.

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On 1/30/2016 9:17 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 1/26/2016 5:37 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure you get used to thinking that way all the time.
>> We didn't get any rain last summer, and you really start to
>> think about why you're running the faucet.
>
> I didn't know you were in a rain deficit last summer! I'm only a couple
> of hours south of you (by ground) and we had more rain last summer than
> I remember in a long time.

Funny how that works! It was such a dry summer, I gave up on my
flowers and let the lawn go brown. I'm sure it will be
another epic battle with crabgrass since the lawn's sparse now.
We'll be overseeding soon enough.

nancy

On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:42:36 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:58:36 -0800 (PST), Helpful person
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:54:13 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> > On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 06:42:37 -0800 (PST), Helpful person wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:19:58 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> > >> On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 05:43:04 -0800 (PST), Helpful person wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >I always warm my plates in the oven. I considered a warming drawer when remodeling the kitchen but decided I no good place to put it. Instead of a warming drawer it's better to put in an extra oven.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >http://www.richardfisher.com
>> > >>
>> > >> Or one can run a hot tap over them in the kitchen sink -
>> > >
>> > >Much less convenient, especially if you also want to keep food hot.
>> > >
>> > >http://www.richardfisher.com
>> >
>> > It is a quick way to warm the dish before serving though -
>>
>> True.
>>
>First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
>not anything an apartment dweller would care about.

Wrong again KnowAll - I have instantaneous hot water in my condo!

wrote:
> I have instantaneous hot water in my condo!

How many canuckleheads did it take to subsidize that?

On 1/26/2016 11:42 AM, sf wrote:
> First you waste a lot of water, running it to get hot water - which is
> not anything an apartment dweller would care about.

I agree about the waste of water to warm dishes. But the "apartment
dweller" thing isn't strictly true. I never lived in an apartment where
I didn't also have to pay the water bill. So I certainly did care.

Jill