Spent somewhere in the vicinity of $100 but my what a difference! sw's post
about the good deal on knives at Costco got me yearning for some new knives.
But those were sold out. So I began searching around. I got this set in
red. Good reviews from Wayfair but some at Amazon did not like them at all.

http://www.wayfair.com/Ragalta-12-Pi...t-RGX1132.html

But I also needed something else for my utensils. Every other place I have
lived at has had enough drawer space for them. But not here. I do have one
small drawer. It holds things like the cherry pitter, peelers, ice cream
scoop, etc. But it is too short and shallow to hold things like the potato
masher, large spoons and pancake flippers.

Not long after we moved in, I bought some insufficient, bamboo utensil
holders. They were too short and small but they were super cheap. I made
do with those until I began having the knife troubles. I hated my Wusthoff
set so much that I began buying odd knives in sheaths. Those went into a
chrome, wire caddy. It didn't work so well either and it didn't match the
others. So I got these:

http://www.surlatable.com/product/PR...Utensil+Crocks

Three large and two small. The large are enormous!

I wound up having to shift things around. The new knife set is too tall to
push back under the cupboard. I could not get the larger knives out when it
was back there. So... I got rid of a few things, some of which were gifts
and I never really used.

Now I have more counter space, I can get to the utensils easily and I don't
have to get ticked off because the holder fell over or other utensils flew
out. And I can fit everything in with no worries.

I did keep the odd knives with sheaths just in case these don't work out.
But they sure are purty!

On 12/19/2015 7:08 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Spent somewhere in the vicinity of $100 but my what a difference! sw's
> post about the good deal on knives at Costco got me yearning for some
> new knives. But those were sold out. So I began searching around. I
> got this set in red. Good reviews from Wayfair but some at Amazon did
> not like them at all.
>
> http://www.wayfair.com/Ragalta-12-Pi...t-RGX1132.html
>
That's a nice looking set and it's nice to have things match in the
kitchen. Do you really need those steak knives? The knife block I use
contains a chefs knife, a carving knife, a boning knife, a couple of
different size paring knives, kitchen shears and a steel.

I have steak knives but they go in the drawer caddy with the regular
table knives.

> But I also needed something else for my utensils. Every other place I
> have lived at has had enough drawer space for them. But not here. I do
> have one small drawer. It holds things like the cherry pitter, peelers,
> ice cream scoop, etc. But it is too short and shallow to hold things
> like the potato masher, large spoons and pancake flippers.
>
Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall next
to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a couple of
large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato masher.

> Not long after we moved in, I bought some insufficient, bamboo utensil
> holders. They were too short and small but they were super cheap. I
> made do with those until I began having the knife troubles. I hated my
> Wusthoff set so much that I began buying odd knives in sheaths. Those
> went into a chrome, wire caddy. It didn't work so well either and it
> didn't match the others. So I got these:
>
> http://www.surlatable.com/product/PR...Utensil+Crocks
>
> Three large and two small. The large are enormous!
>
> I wound up having to shift things around. The new knife set is too tall
> to push back under the cupboard. I could not get the larger knives out
> when it was back there. So... I got rid of a few things, some of which
> were gifts and I never really used.
>
> Now I have more counter space, I can get to the utensils easily and I
> don't have to get ticked off because the holder fell over or other
> utensils flew out. And I can fit everything in with no worries.
>
> I did keep the odd knives with sheaths just in case these don't work
> out. But they sure are purty!

I'm glad you're happy with it... so far.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/19/2015 7:08 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Spent somewhere in the vicinity of $100 but my what a difference! sw's
>> post about the good deal on knives at Costco got me yearning for some
>> new knives. But those were sold out. So I began searching around. I
>> got this set in red. Good reviews from Wayfair but some at Amazon did
>> not like them at all.
>>
>> http://www.wayfair.com/Ragalta-12-Pi...t-RGX1132.html
>>
> That's a nice looking set and it's nice to have things match in the
> kitchen. Do you really need those steak knives? The knife block I use
> contains a chefs knife, a carving knife, a boning knife, a couple of
> different size paring knives, kitchen shears and a steel.

No. I haven't had any steak knives in over 20 years. In fact I think we
only ever used them once. I gave my steak knives to my husband before we
were married. I have no clue what he did with them. I never got them back.
They had been my parents.
>
> I have steak knives but they go in the drawer caddy with the regular table
> knives.
>
>> But I also needed something else for my utensils. Every other place I
>> have lived at has had enough drawer space for them. But not here. I do
>> have one small drawer. It holds things like the cherry pitter, peelers,
>> ice cream scoop, etc. But it is too short and shallow to hold things
>> like the potato masher, large spoons and pancake flippers.
>>
> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall next to
> the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a couple of large
> spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato masher.

No. There is so little room between the bottom of the cupboards and the
counter.
>
>> Not long after we moved in, I bought some insufficient, bamboo utensil
>> holders. They were too short and small but they were super cheap. I
>> made do with those until I began having the knife troubles. I hated my
>> Wusthoff set so much that I began buying odd knives in sheaths. Those
>> went into a chrome, wire caddy. It didn't work so well either and it
>> didn't match the others. So I got these:
>>
>> http://www.surlatable.com/product/PR...Utensil+Crocks
>>
>> Three large and two small. The large are enormous!
>>
>> I wound up having to shift things around. The new knife set is too tall
>> to push back under the cupboard. I could not get the larger knives out
>> when it was back there. So... I got rid of a few things, some of which
>> were gifts and I never really used.
>>
>> Now I have more counter space, I can get to the utensils easily and I
>> don't have to get ticked off because the holder fell over or other
>> utensils flew out. And I can fit everything in with no worries.
>>
>> I did keep the odd knives with sheaths just in case these don't work
>> out. But they sure are purty!
>
> I'm glad you're happy with it... so far.

We shall see about the knives. I haven't had to use them yet.

Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>
> > >
> > Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall
> > next to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a
> > couple of large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato
> > masher.
>
> >
> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall space.

Grin, the cabinets end right over the edge that starts the freestanding
oven/stove top gas unit. On the side, I have 2 nails which we hang the
cutting boards on.



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On 12/19/2015 10:38 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Grin, the cabinets end right over the edge

Hi, my name's Carol and I feed the worst kind of trolls, those who
criminally STALK women he

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>
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She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

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>
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I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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On 12/19/2015 12:38 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>>
>>>>
>>> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the
>>> wall next to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a
>>> spatula, a couple of large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and
>>> the potato masher.
>>
>>>
>> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall
>> space.
>
> Grin, the cabinets end right over the edge that starts the
> freestanding oven/stove top gas unit. On the side, I have 2 nails
> which we hang the cutting boards on.
>
Don't get me wrong, I prefer the cabinet space but it would be nice to
be able to hang something like a magnetic knife rack but no space for
that either. I've started using the inside of cabinet doors to hang some
racks on that aren't deep and can hold things like spices, or rolls of
foil, ziplock bags, things like that.


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Cheryl

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 12/19/2015 12:38 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the
>>>> wall next to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a
>>>> spatula, a couple of large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and
>>>> the potato masher.
>>>
>>>>
>>> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall
>>> space.
>>
>> Grin, the cabinets end right over the edge that starts the
>> freestanding oven/stove top gas unit. On the side, I have 2 nails
>> which we hang the cutting boards on.
>>
> Don't get me wrong, I prefer the cabinet space but it would be nice to
> be able to hang something like a magnetic knife rack but no space for
> that either. I've started using the inside of cabinet doors to hang some
> racks on that aren't deep and can hold things like spices, or rolls of
> foil, ziplock bags, things like that.

I'd be afraid of a magnetic knife rack with cats. And I can't use the
inside of any of my cupboard doors because the shelves and pullouts come all
the way to the edge. I just wish I had a place to keep all of my spices
together. I don't. I have the smaller things in the cupboard but the
larger ones have to sit out.

On Saturday, December 19, 2015 at 9:24:51 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
> > On 12/19/2015 12:38 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >>> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the
> >>>> wall next to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a
> >>>> spatula, a couple of large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and
> >>>> the potato masher.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall
> >>> space.
> >>
> >> Grin, the cabinets end right over the edge that starts the
> >> freestanding oven/stove top gas unit. On the side, I have 2 nails
> >> which we hang the cutting boards on.
> >>
> > Don't get me wrong, I prefer the cabinet space but it would be nice to
> > be able to hang something like a magnetic knife rack but no space for
> > that either. I've started using the inside of cabinet doors to hang some
> > racks on that aren't deep and can hold things like spices, or rolls of
> > foil, ziplock bags, things like that.
>
> I'd be afraid of a magnetic knife rack with cats. And I can't use the
> inside of any of my cupboard doors because the shelves and pullouts come all
> the way to the edge. I just wish I had a place to keep all of my spices
> together. I don't. I have the smaller things in the cupboard but the
> larger ones have to sit out.

I pull the rare earth magnets out of hard drives and stick them on my workbench to hold tools and drill bits. It's fairly unsightly but highly effective.

Julie Bove wrote:
> I'd be afraid of a magnetic knife rack with cats.

Lol, natural selection favors the fast...

On Sunday, December 20, 2015 at 1:24:51 AM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I'd be afraid of a magnetic knife rack with cats.
>
I'm not going to comment on such a silly statement.
Think it over and maybe you'll see why it's such a
silly statement. (Cats with knives, run for your
life!!!)
>
> And I can't use the
> inside of any of my cupboard doors because the shelves and pullouts come all
> the way to the edge.
>
Mine do too but I hang things on hooks that will rest
in that space on the door *between* the shelves. There
is one cabinet door that I have put an L hook on that
will hold two cutting boards. They're handy but still
out of the way.
>
> I just wish I had a place to keep all of my spices
> together. I don't. I have the smaller things in the cupboard but the
> larger ones have to sit out.
>
When those pull out spice shelves were everywhere two or
three years ago I bought 2 of them. They work quite well
for holding and organizing the smaller bottles. The larger
bottles reside in another cabinet grouped together. Not an
ideal situation but that's what works in my small kitchen.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 23:24:43 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Cheryl" > wrote in message
web.com...
>> On 12/19/2015 12:38 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Cheryl wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the
>>>>> wall next to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a
>>>>> spatula, a couple of large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and
>>>>> the potato masher.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall
>>>> space.
>>>
>>> Grin, the cabinets end right over the edge that starts the
>>> freestanding oven/stove top gas unit. On the side, I have 2 nails
>>> which we hang the cutting boards on.
>>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I prefer the cabinet space but it would be nice to
>> be able to hang something like a magnetic knife rack but no space for
>> that either. I've started using the inside of cabinet doors to hang some
>> racks on that aren't deep and can hold things like spices, or rolls of
>> foil, ziplock bags, things like that.
>
>I'd be afraid of a magnetic knife rack with cats. And I can't use the
>inside of any of my cupboard doors because the shelves and pullouts come all
>the way to the edge. I just wish I had a place to keep all of my spices
>together. I don't. I have the smaller things in the cupboard but the
>larger ones have to sit out.

Rubbermaid has some very nice storage cabinets.
http://www.rubbermaid.com/CategoryDi...atalogId=30051
You may want to consider plastic tool boxes/fishing tackle boxes.
I store a lot of things in plastic tool/tackle bxes... I have more
than a dozen Plano storeage boxes, there are so many styles and sizes,
choices for every situation, and they are very inexpensive:
http://www.planomolding.com/

On 12/20/2015 2:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I'd be afraid of a magnetic knife rack with cats. And I can't use the
> inside of any of my cupboard doors because the shelves and pullouts come
> all the way to the edge. I just wish I had a place to keep all of my
> spices together. I don't. I have the smaller things in the cupboard
> but the larger ones have to sit out.

I have pull-out shelves inside my larger lower cabinets, too, but I
installed them myself and they aren't deep. I measured and hung the
racks on the inside of the cabinets so that they are higher than the
pull out shelves. The only loss of space is a few inches at the very
outside edge of the shelves.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>
>>>
>> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall next
>> to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a couple of
>> large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato masher.
>
>>
> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall space.

I think I've only ever had two kitchens with wall space. Both were
military housing.

In article >, says...
>
> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
> > jmcquown > Wrote in message:
> >
> >>>
> >> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall next
> >> to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a couple of
> >> large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato masher.
> >
> >>
> > That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall space.
>
> I think I've only ever had two kitchens with wall space. Both were
> military housing.

All my kitchens have had walls. Just lucky, I guess.

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>> > jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>> >
>> >>>
>> >> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall
>> >> next
>> >> to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a couple of
>> >> large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato masher.
>> >
>> >>
>> > That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall space.
>>
>> I think I've only ever had two kitchens with wall space. Both were
>> military housing.
>
> All my kitchens have had walls. Just lucky, I guess.

I didn't say they had no walls. Just no wall space. The walls are taken up
with cupboards, appliances and a window.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 6:18:21 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...

> All my kitchens have had walls. Just lucky, I guess.

My current kitchen has walls, of course. It's 9' x 9', and
three of the walls have a door one of which is a wide
opening to the dining room. Most of the rest of the wall space
is taken up with cupboards or appliances.

We did manage to eke out some space by the back door, where
we hung slatwall:

<http://www.ukshopfittings.com/category-Slatwall-Panels-Inserts.html?source=ppc&gclid=Cj0KEQiAqemzBRDh2vGK mMnqoegBEiQAqJPuyCkdo9l_PoFFQLS8tp4skOyTgOkA0XlSTL cHVq9-F88aAixI8P8HAQ>

We fitted it with hooks, and that's where we hang most of our pots and pans.

Although I frequently disagree with Julie, having no wall space in the
kitchen is something I can sympathize with.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 at 6:23:08 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> We did manage to eke out some space by the back door, where
> we hung slatwall:
>
> <http://www.ukshopfittings.com/category-Slatwall-Panels-Inserts.html?source=ppc&gclid=Cj0KEQiAqemzBRDh2vGK mMnqoegBEiQAqJPuyCkdo9l_PoFFQLS8tp4skOyTgOkA0XlSTL cHVq9-F88aAixI8P8HAQ>
>
> We fitted it with hooks, and that's where we hang most of our pots and pans.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
That is a great idea! Tiny kitchen here with no wall space;
about 4 or 5 years ago I purchased an over the window pot rack.
For me, it works great but I do like your slats on the door.

On 12/22/2015 6:18 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Cheryl" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>>> jmcquown > Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Got any wall space? I have an ancient rack that hangs on the wall next
>>>> to the stove. From it hangs a pancake flipper, a spatula, a couple of
>>>> large spoons (one slotted), a soup ladel and the potato masher.
>>>
>>>>
>>> That's something I miss in my kitchen. There is no usable wall space.
>>
>> I think I've only ever had two kitchens with wall space. Both were
>> military housing.
>
> All my kitchens have had walls. Just lucky, I guess.
>
> Janet UK
>
You sure are! My kitchen is small. I mean it *has* walls but just not
empty ones. LOL

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Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Spent somewhere in the vicinity of $100 but my what a difference!
> sw's post about the good deal on knives at Costco got me yearning for
> some new knives. But those were sold out. So I began searching
> around. I got this set in red. Good reviews from Wayfair but some
> at Amazon did not like them at all.
>
> http://www.wayfair.com/Ragalta-12-Pi...t-RGX1132.html
>
> But I also needed something else for my utensils. Every other place
> I have lived at has had enough drawer space for them. But not here.
> I do have one small drawer. It holds things like the cherry pitter,
> peelers, ice cream scoop, etc. But it is too short and shallow to
> hold things like the potato masher, large spoons and pancake flippers.
>
> Not long after we moved in, I bought some insufficient, bamboo
> utensil holders. They were too short and small but they were super
> cheap. I made do with those until I began having the knife troubles.
> I hated my Wusthoff set so much that I began buying odd knives in
> sheaths. Those went into a chrome, wire caddy. It didn't work so
> well either and it didn't match the others. So I got these:
>
> http://www.surlatable.com/product/PR...Utensil+Crocks
>
> Three large and two small. The large are enormous!
>
> I wound up having to shift things around. The new knife set is too
> tall to push back under the cupboard. I could not get the larger
> knives out when it was back there. So... I got rid of a few things,
> some of which were gifts and I never really used.
>
> Now I have more counter space, I can get to the utensils easily and I
> don't have to get ticked off because the holder fell over or other
> utensils flew out. And I can fit everything in with no worries.
>
> I did keep the odd knives with sheaths just in case these don't work
> out. But they sure are purty!

Looks nifty! They'd match my red rice maker.

Meantime, we have a 7 and a 6 hook metal holder set, side by side (13
hooks), mounted over the stove on the wall. Spatulas, spoons, wire
small strainers, soup ladles, potato masher, tongs, measuring cups and
the TB/TS spoons sets on a ring, and so on. The metal hooks are long
so you can get 2 things on each one. That option may not be available
to you but works well for us.

Carol

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On 12/19/2015 10:31 AM, cshenk wrote:
> They'd match my red rice maker.

Hi, my name's Carol and I feed the worst kind of trolls, those who
criminally STALK women he

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>
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She should call the cops. I've already publicly admitted it is me so
a conviction should be a piece of cake and then forging would stop.
So what's stopping her? I think she suffers from Bovism - she just
loves the attention and drama and screw the rest of the group.

-sw

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------


And before that the subhuman virus stalked poor Omelet right of the net!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
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readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs
fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com


Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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"cshenk" > wrote in message
news
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> Spent somewhere in the vicinity of $100 but my what a difference!
>> sw's post about the good deal on knives at Costco got me yearning for
>> some new knives. But those were sold out. So I began searching
>> around. I got this set in red. Good reviews from Wayfair but some
>> at Amazon did not like them at all.
>>
>> http://www.wayfair.com/Ragalta-12-Pi...t-RGX1132.html
>>
>> But I also needed something else for my utensils. Every other place
>> I have lived at has had enough drawer space for them. But not here.
>> I do have one small drawer. It holds things like the cherry pitter,
>> peelers, ice cream scoop, etc. But it is too short and shallow to
>> hold things like the potato masher, large spoons and pancake flippers.
>>
>> Not long after we moved in, I bought some insufficient, bamboo
>> utensil holders. They were too short and small but they were super
>> cheap. I made do with those until I began having the knife troubles.
>> I hated my Wusthoff set so much that I began buying odd knives in
>> sheaths. Those went into a chrome, wire caddy. It didn't work so
>> well either and it didn't match the others. So I got these:
>>
>> http://www.surlatable.com/product/PR...Utensil+Crocks
>>
>> Three large and two small. The large are enormous!
>>
>> I wound up having to shift things around. The new knife set is too
>> tall to push back under the cupboard. I could not get the larger
>> knives out when it was back there. So... I got rid of a few things,
>> some of which were gifts and I never really used.
>>
>> Now I have more counter space, I can get to the utensils easily and I
>> don't have to get ticked off because the holder fell over or other
>> utensils flew out. And I can fit everything in with no worries.
>>
>> I did keep the odd knives with sheaths just in case these don't work
>> out. But they sure are purty!
>
> Looks nifty! They'd match my red rice maker.
>
> Meantime, we have a 7 and a 6 hook metal holder set, side by side (13
> hooks), mounted over the stove on the wall. Spatulas, spoons, wire
> small strainers, soup ladles, potato masher, tongs, measuring cups and
> the TB/TS spoons sets on a ring, and so on. The metal hooks are long
> so you can get 2 things on each one. That option may not be available
> to you but works well for us.

I'd not want anything over the stove. Too much chance of it falling behind
there. Plus the stove gets hot and I wouldn't want to have to reach over
it.