I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid. I knew that I was
within 3 miles of Winco but just gave up and figured it was a sign so went
to Walmart instead. Was able to get all but one thing on my list and I
found some new to me things too.

One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not buy them
for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have easily
eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus the
facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How fresh
could they really be?

I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
I don't remember the brand.

On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:

> One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not buy them
> for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have easily
> eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus the
> facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How fresh
> could they really be?
>
> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> I don't remember the brand.

South of the Mason-Dixon, we call them English peas.

> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not buy
>> them
>> for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have
>> easily
>> eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus the
>> facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How
>> fresh
>> could they really be?
>>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can
>> find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried
>> these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> South of the Mason-Dixon, we call them English peas.

Yes. Those.

On 05/12/2015 05:23 am, wrote:
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not buy them
>> for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have easily
>> eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus the
>> facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How fresh
>> could they really be?
>>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> South of the Mason-Dixon, we call them English peas.
>
Well ****ing STOP calling them that...

Just call them FRENCH peas, after your greatest ally...

On 2015-12-05 4:41 PM, Saint George wrote:
> On 05/12/2015 05:23 am, wrote:
>> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not
>>> buy them
>>> for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have
>>> easily
>>> eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus
>>> the
>>> facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How
>>> fresh
>>> could they really be?
>>>
>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can
>>> find
>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried
>>> these?
>>> I don't remember the brand.
>>
>> South of the Mason-Dixon, we call them English peas.
>>
> Well ****ing STOP calling them that...
>
> Just call them FRENCH peas, after your greatest ally...


Wouldn't that be Freedom peas after France refused to be dragged into a
useless war?

On 12/4/2015 11:23 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not buy them
>> for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have easily
>> eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus the
>> facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How fresh
>> could they really be?
>>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> South of the Mason-Dixon, we call them English peas.
>

I grew up in northeast Ohio, where we just called them "peas." Then I
moved to Texas and asked where I would find the peas. They said, "what
kind?" I had no idea at that time that there was such a wide variety.
Now (as you said), I look for "English peas" if I want the little green
peas that I had before moving south.

MaryL

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 13:41:25 -0600, MaryL >
wrote:

> On 12/4/2015 11:23 PM, wrote:
> > On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 9:06:15 PM UTC-8, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> >> One of which was raw peas. Out of the pod and in a bag. I did not buy them
> >> for these reasons. There were so few peas in that bag, I could have easily
> >> eaten them all by myself in one meal. And the price was $4.89. Plus the
> >> facts that they are not in season and they were out of the pod. How fresh
> >> could they really be?
> >>
> >> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> >> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> >> I don't remember the brand.
> >
> > South of the Mason-Dixon, we call them English peas.
> >
>
> I grew up in northeast Ohio, where we just called them "peas." Then I
> moved to Texas and asked where I would find the peas. They said, "what
> kind?" I had no idea at that time that there was such a wide variety.
> Now (as you said), I look for "English peas" if I want the little green
> peas that I had before moving south.
>

English peas is code for "too mature" out here, the little ones are
called "petit". Good luck finding shelled, fresh petit peas.


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sf

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> I don't remember the brand.

I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
me.

--

sf

On 12/5/2015 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> me.
>

You all just have to give peas a chance.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:10:44 -0500, Travis McGee >
wrote:

>On 12/5/2015 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>>> I don't remember the brand.
>>
>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>> me.
>>
>
>You all just have to give peas a chance.


Did you really say that ??? lolol

wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:10:44 -0500, Travis McGee >
> wrote:
>
>>On 12/5/2015 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>>>> I don't remember the brand.
>>>
>>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>>> me.
>>>
>>
>>You all just have to give peas a chance.
>
>
> Did you really say that ??? lolol

I prefer whirled peas

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:13:25 +0000 (UTC), tert in seattle
> wrote:

wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:10:44 -0500, Travis McGee >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 12/5/2015 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>>>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>>>>> I don't remember the brand.
>>>>
>>>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>>>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>>>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You all just have to give peas a chance.
>>
>>
>> Did you really say that ??? lolol
>
>I prefer whirled peas

Worser and worser

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:10:44 -0500, Travis McGee >
wrote:

> On 12/5/2015 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> >> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> >> I don't remember the brand.
> >
> > I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> > because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> > I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> > me.
> >
>
> You all just have to give peas a chance.

I have.... way too many times.


--

sf

On 2015-12-05 4:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:10:44 -0500, Travis McGee >

>>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>>> me.
>>>
>>
>> You all just have to give peas a chance.
>
> I have.... way too many times.


Whoosh.

I never really understood the aversion to peas. I have always liked
them. Fresh, frozen, snow peas, snap peas, pea soup... I like them all.
I haven't had canned peas in years but used to enjoy them. My brother
had the same parents I did and grew up in the same house. He likes
other green vegetables, but he hates peas.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:14:47 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-12-05 4:29 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:10:44 -0500, Travis McGee >
>
> >>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> >>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> >>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> >>> me.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You all just have to give peas a chance.
> >
> > I have.... way too many times.
>
>
> Whoosh.
>

Dave as much as it may pain you to hear this, I "got" it and chose to
ignore the stupid pun, so get over it.

> I never really understood the aversion to peas. I have always liked
> them. Fresh, frozen, snow peas, snap peas, pea soup... I like them all.
> I haven't had canned peas in years but used to enjoy them. My brother
> had the same parents I did and grew up in the same house. He likes
> other green vegetables, but he hates peas.
>

Again, since you claim to like mature peas - you may have my share
also. Are you happy now?

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can
>> find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried
>> these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> me.

I never met a pea I didn't like.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 02:10:59 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can
> >> find
> >> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried
> >> these?
> >> I don't remember the brand.
> >
> > I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> > because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> > I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> > me.
>
> I never met a pea I didn't like.

In that case, you should love them no matter what brand it is.

--

sf

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 02:10:59 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can
>> >> find
>> >> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried
>> >> these?
>> >> I don't remember the brand.
>> >
>> > I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>> > because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>> > I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>> > me.
>>
>> I never met a pea I didn't like.
>
> In that case, you should love them no matter what brand it is.

Yes.

On 05/12/2015 12:13 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> me.
>
That's because they were too old when you bought them. I worked in a
canning factory for 2 summers when I was at uni. After harvesting them,
the peas had to arrive at the plant within a very limited time. If they
were late, they were condemned as animal food. It was the same for the
freezing facility in another area.
Graham

--

graham wrote:
>sf wrote:
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>>> I don't remember the brand.
>>
>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>> me.
>>
>That's because they were too old when you bought them. I worked in a
>canning factory for 2 summers when I was at uni. After harvesting them,
>the peas had to arrive at the plant within a very limited time. If they
>were late, they were condemned as animal food. It was the same for the
>freezing facility in another area.
>Graham

Peas are like corn, soon as they're havested their sugars turn to
starch. How long ago did you work at a cannery? Nowadays produce is
flash frozen in the field, the factory arrives by trailor, goes field
to field during harvesting season.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 07:18:52 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 05/12/2015 12:13 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> >> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> >> I don't remember the brand.
> >
> > I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> > because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> > I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> > me.
> >
> That's because they were too old when you bought them. I worked in a
> canning factory for 2 summers when I was at uni. After harvesting them,
> the peas had to arrive at the plant within a very limited time. If they
> were late, they were condemned as animal food. It was the same for the
> freezing facility in another area.
> Graham

Perhaps my taste in peas is more refined than yours because any large
pea is too old and mealy AFAIC.

--

sf

On 05/12/2015 2:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 07:18:52 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 05/12/2015 12:13 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>>>> I don't remember the brand.
>>>
>>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
>>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
>>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
>>> me.
>>>
>> That's because they were too old when you bought them. I worked in a
>> canning factory for 2 summers when I was at uni. After harvesting them,
>> the peas had to arrive at the plant within a very limited time. If they
>> were late, they were condemned as animal food. It was the same for the
>> freezing facility in another area.
>> Graham
>
> Perhaps my taste in peas is more refined than yours because any large
> pea is too old and mealy AFAIC.
>
Oh peas off:-)

--

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 16:11:35 -0700, graham > wrote:

> On 05/12/2015 2:29 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 07:18:52 -0700, graham > wrote:
> >
> >> On 05/12/2015 12:13 AM, sf wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> >>>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> >>>> I don't remember the brand.
> >>>
> >>> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> >>> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> >>> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> >>> me.
> >>>
> >> That's because they were too old when you bought them. I worked in a
> >> canning factory for 2 summers when I was at uni. After harvesting them,
> >> the peas had to arrive at the plant within a very limited time. If they
> >> were late, they were condemned as animal food. It was the same for the
> >> freezing facility in another area.
> >> Graham
> >
> > Perhaps my taste in peas is more refined than yours because any large
> > pea is too old and mealy AFAIC.
> >
> Oh peas off:-)

Too bad that's an insult with an inserted smiley to make it all
better. A very American "peas out" to you.

--

sf

On 2015-12-05 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
>
>> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
>> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
>> I don't remember the brand.
>
> I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> me.

Fresh peas are a real treat. Some people even eat them raw. The only
problems I have with fresh peas are the price and the work. They are
always expensive. You pay a bundle for a small basket of peas that are
mostly pod. It takes 10-15 minutes to shuck a basket of peas and you get
only two small portions and a huge pile of compost material. But what
a tasty treat they are.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:30:59 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-12-05 2:13 AM, sf wrote:
> >
> >> I do love fresh peas though and can rarely find them for sale. I can find
> >> Sugar Snap or Snow but not the Garden type. Has anyone seen or tried these?
> >> I don't remember the brand.
> >
> > I see them during the summer every year, no I haven't tried them
> > because they look like full size (mature) peas to me - which I hate.
> > I eat petit peas and that's it. Those other things are too mealy for
> > me.
>
> Fresh peas are a real treat. Some people even eat them raw.

Throw away the pea and scrape the inside of the raw shell with your
teeth, like an artichoke leaf. That's delicious!

> The only
> problems I have with fresh peas are the price and the work.

Shelling peas is easy. I'll shell them and you can have the pea part.

> They are
> always expensive. You pay a bundle for a small basket of peas that are
> mostly pod. It takes 10-15 minutes to shuck a basket of peas and you get
> only two small portions and a huge pile of compost material. But what
> a tasty treat they are.
>
That's your opinion, not mine.

--

sf

On 2015-12-05 4:29 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:30:59 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>> The only
>> problems I have with fresh peas are the price and the work.
>
> Shelling peas is easy. I'll shell them and you can have the pea part.

Deal. It is not that it is difficult to shell the peas. It is time
consuming. You don't know if you are going to get 10 in a pod or three,
or if they will be big or small.
>
>> They are
>> always expensive. You pay a bundle for a small basket of peas that are
>> mostly pod. It takes 10-15 minutes to shuck a basket of peas and you get
>> only two small portions and a huge pile of compost material. But what
>> a tasty treat they are.
>>
> That's your opinion, not mine.



Yes, it is. There are some spring vegetables that I look forward to and
really enjoy and near the top of the list are peas, asparagus and
fiddleheads.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:19:05 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2015-12-05 4:29 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 09:30:59 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
>
> >> The only
> >> problems I have with fresh peas are the price and the work.
> >
> > Shelling peas is easy. I'll shell them and you can have the pea part.
>
> Deal. It is not that it is difficult to shell the peas. It is time
> consuming. You don't know if you are going to get 10 in a pod or three,
> or if they will be big or small.

I don't care. It's something I can do while watching a movie or
chatting, so it's no big deal.
> >


--

sf

On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
>rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
>get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.

Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
that.

I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
scenery or heavy traffic.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
> >rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
> >get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>
> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
> that.
>
> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
> scenery or heavy traffic.

I know my area well, no need to use a gps. If it's a street that I
don't know, a quick glance at a map will suffice. Sounds strange that
Julie was using a GPS to go to a somewhat local Winco. She's lived
there long enough to find her way to local stores without help.

On 2015-12-05 10:38 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
>>> rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
>>> get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>>
>> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
>> that.
>>
>> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
>> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
>> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
>> scenery or heavy traffic.
>
> I know my area well, no need to use a gps. If it's a street that I
> don't know, a quick glance at a map will suffice. Sounds strange that
> Julie was using a GPS to go to a somewhat local Winco. She's lived
> there long enough to find her way to local stores without help.
>


You have to chuckle at the situation. Julie has a very long history here
of asking for information and then rejecting helpful suggestions. Now
it appears that the same compulsion to reject suggestions applies to
electronics.

On 2015-12-05, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Julie has a very long history here

She does?

I don't remember her way back when Anne P. Mitchell usta post here.

In fact, I don't recall when mz cow started posting, here, only that I
KF'd her early on, spotting her as a troll right outta the gate. What
has been occurring for a "very long" time is, rfc morons gleefully
playing into her game and responding to her expertly adept trolling.
It's no wonder we are now flooded with astonishingly stupid trolls too
dumb to realize they are not welcome. How could they, when rfc
regulars treat 'em like long lost friends? It's a veritable troll
sanctuary, here. 8|

nb

On 2015-12-05 12:11 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-12-05, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Julie has a very long history here
>
> She does?
>


You clipped half the sentence..... " Julie has a very long history here
of asking for information and then rejecting helpful suggestions."
I didn't say she has been year forever but was pointing out that she has
a history of doing that, and has been doing it for as long as she has
been here. She has been playing that game here for well over a year and
IMNSHO, anything more than a week or two of the incessant attention
seeking is too long.



> I don't remember her way back when Anne P. Mitchell usta post here.

That is a name I only vaguely recall. True, she is a relative newcomer
but has been around for a long time.

>
> In fact, I don't recall when mz cow started posting, here, only that I
> KF'd her early on, spotting her as a troll right outta the gate. What
> has been occurring for a "very long" time is, rfc morons gleefully
> playing into her game and responding to her expertly adept trolling.
> It's no wonder we are now flooded with astonishingly stupid trolls too
> dumb to realize they are not welcome. How could they, when rfc
> regulars treat 'em like long lost friends? It's a veritable troll
> sanctuary, here. 8|



True enough. My filter is full of trolls and the idiots who feed them
and the super twits who defend them. I will not be insulted by someone
stupid enough to take her seriously.

On 5 Dec 2015 17:11:41 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> On 2015-12-05, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > Julie has a very long history here
>
> She does?
>
> I don't remember her way back when Anne P. Mitchell usta post here.
>
> In fact, I don't recall when mz cow started posting, here, only that I
> KF'd her early on, spotting her as a troll right outta the gate. What
> has been occurring for a "very long" time is, rfc morons gleefully
> playing into her game and responding to her expertly adept trolling.
> It's no wonder we are now flooded with astonishingly stupid trolls too
> dumb to realize they are not welcome. How could they, when rfc
> regulars treat 'em like long lost friends? It's a veritable troll
> sanctuary, here. 8|
>

And regulars like you treat Spin & Marty as if they aren't trolls. So
be it.

--

sf

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-12-05, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Julie has a very long history here
>
> She does?
>
> I don't remember her way back when Anne P. Mitchell usta post here.
>
> In fact, I don't recall when mz cow started posting, here, only that I
> KF'd her early on, spotting her as a troll right outta the gate. What
> has been occurring for a "very long" time is, rfc morons gleefully
> playing into her game and responding to her expertly adept trolling.
> It's no wonder we are now flooded with astonishingly stupid trolls too
> dumb to realize they are not welcome. How could they, when rfc
> regulars treat 'em like long lost friends? It's a veritable troll
> sanctuary, here. 8|
>
> nb

I think I found newsgroups around 1998. Maybe 1997. Somewhere in there. I
was mostly a lurker then and didn't start posting right away. Twice, I let
the asses here run me off of this group. Many of those who did, no longer
seem to be here.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2015-12-05 10:38 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid
>>>> GPS
>>>> rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to
>>>> make me
>>>> get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>>>
>>> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
>>> that.
>>>
>>> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
>>> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
>>> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
>>> scenery or heavy traffic.
>>
>> I know my area well, no need to use a gps. If it's a street that I
>> don't know, a quick glance at a map will suffice. Sounds strange that
>> Julie was using a GPS to go to a somewhat local Winco. She's lived
>> there long enough to find her way to local stores without help.
>>
>
>
> You have to chuckle at the situation. Julie has a very long history here
> of asking for information and then rejecting helpful suggestions. Now it
> appears that the same compulsion to reject suggestions applies to
> electronics.

No. I don't like fiddling with the settings of the GPS. There are times
when I need to take the freeway. And as I said before, I already knew how
to get there via another route. I just found it odd that it was taking me
down another couple of streets, only to find out after I did it, it was
trying to force me to turn around and get on the freeway. I know that my
oldest GPS would do this. The one after that would say "re-calculating" and
allow me to take a different route and route it for me. This one up until
now has said nothing. It just re-routes.

I do not know this city at all except how to get to Winco, Target and a few
other stores. There and back home. Down one street where a friend lives.
I only found some of these stores quite by accident when I took a wrong turn
dropping her off. And I was like... OMG! These are actually not that far
away! I had gone to the mall prior but the GPS routed me down the freeway
and that took me a few miles out of my way.

The way I learned this area was to drive a few blocks in every direction and
back to see what was there. Each time, I would venture out a bit further.
Once I figured that out, I tried making a few turns and was able to find a
few more things. But since I am in the suburbs, most of what is around me
is just other houses and I have no need to go there.

I am not one that remembers street names. I tend to remember things like
the place with the horses or the purple house. I gather that this is more
common for females and that most males do not do this. At least that seems
to be the case from what I have seen/heard.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:38:53 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
> > >rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
> > >get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
> >
> > Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
> > that.
> >
> > I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
> > picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
> > only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
> > scenery or heavy traffic.
>
> I know my area well, no need to use a gps. If it's a street that I
> don't know, a quick glance at a map will suffice. Sounds strange that
> Julie was using a GPS to go to a somewhat local Winco. She's lived
> there long enough to find her way to local stores without help.

I need my GPS every time I leave the City to find a place with an
address not located on a main street/highway. The last two times I
used it was to find places with addresses in rather large business
parks.

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sf

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid
>> >GPS
>> >rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to
>> >make me
>> >get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>>
>> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
>> that.
>>
>> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
>> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
>> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
>> scenery or heavy traffic.
>
> I know my area well, no need to use a gps. If it's a street that I
> don't know, a quick glance at a map will suffice. Sounds strange that
> Julie was using a GPS to go to a somewhat local Winco. She's lived
> there long enough to find her way to local stores without help.

But I wasn't coming from my house. No problems there. I had to see a new
Dr. in Everett and I don't know that area well at all. Yes it is nearby but
in general I have no reason to go there. Now that they have opened the new
Winco in Lynnwood I have been shopping there. I know that city much better
as it is very close to where I grew up. And it has a much lower crime rate
than Everett.

So... I was going from a Drs. office to Winco. I do know how to get from
the Everett Mall which I managed to get to, to Winco but the route I take
makes me double back. Since the GPS was showing me a different route, I
assumed there was some shortcut that I didn't know about. To take the
freeway would have been silly as it would have taken me some out of the way
as well.

Problem is, the way the streets are set up here is silly. Many are winding,
perhaps because it is so hilly. They're not always the grid work type
pattern. Many dead ends. And only a few streets go through. For instance,
there is an ER quite near here. But to get to it, you have to drive several
miles in the opposite direction and double back. No other way to get to it
as no streets go through but that one.

One year, my parents were supposed to come here for Christmas lunch but they
didn't arrive until almost dinner time. My dad got frustrated with the
traffic and thought that by now they would have made some changes to the
streets and something would now go through. Nope. He wound up getting lost
in the maze of roads in the same exact area that I did many years ago,
leaving a birthday party. They just wind around and around and eventually
you'll realize that you are going in circles. Nothing goes through and it's
all residential. Maps won't help you there either unless you somehow get
your hands on a really updated one. Why? They are ripping down entire
streets, building new ones and putting up so many housing developments that
nothing will add up.

I once took my daughter to a friend's house to drop something off. I had
only been there once and I wasn't driving so didn't pay attention. I used
the GPS to get there and that was fine. But then it told me to continue
down the other end of the street. I couldn't as there was a cement barrier
there. Apparently at some point that street had gone through. Now it
doesn't.

At least the ghost houses seem to all be gone now. When we first moved
here, there were houses in two areas that were totally landlocked. Not just
single houses but what appeared to have been entire streets of them. But
the streets were no longer there. One bunch appeared to have been built in
the 1960's. One of those had clearly had a fire. None of them even had
driveways and there was no way to get to them. And sure enough when I
looked it up, a man claimed the area to be haunted. I used to have to take
this route to get to Angela's school and I always felt creeped out in
driving down it. But now, I no longer do. Read abut it he

http://www.ghostvillage.com/ghostcom...howtopic=26711

The other area had houses far enough back from the street that I couldn't
see them too well, except to see that there was no way to get to them.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:05:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
> >rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
> >get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>
> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
> that.

I reset ours for "fastest route" (not shortest or any of the others)
and don't care if it takes me off the highway.
>
> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
> scenery or heavy traffic.

It can take heavy traffic into consideration if that's how you set it.

--

sf

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 8:05:28 AM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid GPS
> >rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make me
> >get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>
> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
> that.
>
> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
> scenery or heavy traffic.

The GPS reads Julie's mind and programs her to go to WalMart where she can get things cheaper. These modern conveniences are great.
====

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:06:07 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>I was headed to Winco today but wound up at Walmart instead. My stupid
>>GPS
>>rerouted me through the parking lot at the Everett Mall and tried to make
>>me
>>get onto the freeway which is what I was trying to avoid.
>
> Did you set it to avoid highways? Most have a setting for things like
> that.

No. I know that it can be set that way. Daughter did that and I didn't
know it. Could not figure out why it was trying to take me a weird way to
get to Bellevue and had we taken that route we would have missed the
performance. Luckily I had printed off the Mapquest route as well.

We had more time going home and I hate the freeway so I just trusted that it
would get me to my friend's house and it did.

Normally if I know at least part of the route, I will just keep going that
way and it won't make me go back to the freeway. But it's all good as I got
what I needed at Walmart and found a few new items. I just have been
avoiding that area due to the high crime rate but they had tons of extra
security there and I had no problemd.
>
> I try to look at a map to see where I'm going as the navigation often
> picks a route that I'd rather not take. It is a computer and uses
> only programmed data to make the route, not human things like nice
> scenery or heavy traffic.

I don't do at all well with maps which is why I try not to use them.
Husband gets mad at me because he loves maps. Can't understand why I don't.