On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 03:48:50 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 00:36:28 +1100, Xeno >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 3/12/2015 8:47 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 13:22:06 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 17:57:23 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2015 01:46:38 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/1/2015 11:40 PM, sf wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 20:18:44 -0500, jmcquown >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/1/2015 5:02 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 13:07:56 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/1/2015 12:58 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't peel, we prefer them that way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do, too. My favorite spud is Yukon Gold, but I do love the
>>>>>>>>>>>> thick
>>>>>>>>>>>> skin of the russets. I'd hate to peel away what I think is the
>>>>>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the potato.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ew. Not in mashed potatoes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We love them in mashed potatoes and since people can't allow for
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>> choices, Ew for those who don't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL Ew to you, too! I gave up peeling potatoes when making mashed
>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>> ago. I like the skins. Besides, isn't it supposed to be rustic or
>>>>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't mash potatoes if you're too lazy to peel them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing about lazy. It's simply unnecessary. I'll even go out on a
>>>>>>> limb here and say when I *bake* potatoes I eat the skin, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't it also the healthfullest part?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're going to be adding all that cream and butter, you're not
>>>>> concerned with how healthily it is.
>>>>
>>>> True. Maybe add soy milk or oat milk instead
>>>>
>>>I would be avoiding the mash altogether if you added soy milk!
>>
>> I don't know. I've never had mash with non-cow milk.
>
>I have. I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth. I have actually
>had them made this way elsewhere and they were fine. But when I tried this,
>they somehow seemed heavy and they just plain didn't taste right.
>
>I have tried the alternate milks but it is wasteful for me as I have no
>other use for the milk. What I do now is just use water. I use a little
>less than I would milk so they are super thick but then I use a liquid
>margarine to thin them. I use Nucoa for fat and I add a few drops of butter
>flavoring. I'm sure that the real thing would taste better but it's not an
>option for me as dairy makes me very ill.

I'm not a vegetarian, let alone a vegan, but I'm interested in vegan
solutions that don't require a long list of strange ingredients. Maybe
in ten years.

--
Bruce

On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 2:45:52 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> >
> >What isn't stupid is Pah Ke restaurant soy milk custard.
> >It's sublime. I don't need no stinkin' substitute for milk milk.
> >This stuff is better than a custard made from cream.
> >How that's done is some kind of Chinese secret.
> >Obviously, the Chinese are smarter than us because
> >they're able to make a no-fat custard that tastes like
> >it's loaded with butterfat.
> >
> >http://www.yelp.com/menu/pah-kes-chi...stard-flavored
>
> No wonder Bwrrryan loves it, it's thickened with swine ejaculate.

I wonder if I should feel complimented when folks try to attribute
stuff to me.

https://www.facebook.com/PetrieMuseu...3715638470406/

--Bryan

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:30:27 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday I bought another ten pound bag of Green Giant mammoth
> > russets from BJ's... these are huge potatoes, only seven to a ten
> > pound bag...
>
> Those things just keep getting bigger and BIGGER every time you
> mention them! But they're still not as big as your balls, right?
>
> <yawn>

LMAO! Seriously, his potatoes are approaching cantalope size. lol

I would NOT want giant potatoes that 7 would equal 10 pounds.
I always buy 5lb bags of potatoes when they are on sale.
I always choose the bags with the smallest potatoes.
If you want more than a small one, just cook two.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> But I think the rotting
> sweet potato one upped that.

I've never had a rotting sweet potato. I just buy a few as I want them
and always eat them within a week. A few years ago though, a co-worker
gave me half bushel of sweet potatoes that his father had grown. The
father was a farmer.

Anyway, that was way more than I could use up quickly. Those sweet
potatoes didn't rot, they dried out as time went on. I had to throw
many out. In hindsight, I wonder if I could have soaked them overnight
to rehydrate them?

I have 4 sweet potatoes here right now. I think I'll cook one for
lunch.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
> and made the surge protector go bad.

One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.

What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
> > expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
> > be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
> > and made the surge protector go bad.
>
> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.

Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
everything in to?


--

sf

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 8:56:43 AM UTC-6, MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 2:45:52 PM UTC-6, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > MisterDiddyWahDiddy wrote:
> > >
> > >What isn't stupid is Pah Ke restaurant soy milk custard.
> > >It's sublime. I don't need no stinkin' substitute for milk milk.
> > >This stuff is better than a custard made from cream.
> > >How that's done is some kind of Chinese secret.
> > >Obviously, the Chinese are smarter than us because
> > >they're able to make a no-fat custard that tastes like
> > >it's loaded with butterfat.
> > >
> > >http://www.yelp.com/menu/pah-kes-chi...stard-flavored
> >
> > No wonder Bwrrryan loves it, it's thickened with swine ejaculate.
>
> I wonder if I should feel complimented when folks try to attribute
> stuff to me.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/PetrieMuseu...3715638470406/
>
> --Bryan

Sure suits your Narcissistic Personality Disorder!!

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> > > I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
> > > expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
> > > be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
> > > and made the surge protector go bad.
> >
> > One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> > one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> > led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
>
> Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
> surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
> everything in to?
>
>
> --
>
> sf

Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!

John Kuthe...

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
>> and made the surge protector go bad.
>
>One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
>one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
>led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.

The life of a surge protector depends on the brand/model and surge
size.... and some surge protectors are self healing but can take
months to bleed out the excessive surge load... I discovered this from
the Sony techies when my big screen tube tv took a major hit during a
lightening storm that hit a nearby power transformer, killed it. When
the transformer was replaced, took three days, and I tried my TV it
would come on and immediately shut off. Sony said it has a built in
surge protector and to unplug it and let it sit a few weeks. Some
three months later on about the fourth try it came on and played good
as new. It would have taken longer but it was connected to an older
style APC battery back-up with a surge protector. The newer APC
battery back-up surge protectors are much better, I have one for all
three TVs and an even larger model for my PC, the Pro-1000, a very
nice unit:
http://www.amazon.com/APC-BR1000G-Ba...1000g+back-ups

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:34:12 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> > > Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
> > > > expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
> > > > be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
> > > > and made the surge protector go bad.
> > >
> > > One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> > > one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> > > led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
> >
> > Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
> > surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
> > everything in to?
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > sf
>
> Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!
>

Not much lightening around here although we do have occasionally now,
thanks to climate change. If there was enough to matter, everyone
would have lightening rods on our homes. Did you put one on yours?


--

sf

On 6/12/2015 2:53 AM, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:30:27 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday I bought another ten pound bag of Green Giant mammoth
>>> russets from BJ's... these are huge potatoes, only seven to a ten
>>> pound bag...
>>
>> Those things just keep getting bigger and BIGGER every time you
>> mention them! But they're still not as big as your balls, right?
>>
>> <yawn>
>
> LMAO! Seriously, his potatoes are approaching cantalope size. lol
>
> I would NOT want giant potatoes that 7 would equal 10 pounds.
> I always buy 5lb bags of potatoes when they are on sale.
> I always choose the bags with the smallest potatoes.
> If you want more than a small one, just cook two.
>
Large potatoes probably wouldn't taste the best either.

--

Xeno

On 2015-12-05 10:53 AM, Gary wrote:

> I would NOT want giant potatoes that 7 would equal 10 pounds.
> I always buy 5lb bags of potatoes when they are on sale.
> I always choose the bags with the smallest potatoes.
> If you want more than a small one, just cook two.
>


Do you think that there is a chance that they are on sale because they
have been around too long and they want to dump them quickly?

On Sun, 6 Dec 2015 14:41:51 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 10:53:22 -0500, Gary wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:30:27 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday I bought another ten pound bag of Green Giant mammoth
>>>> russets from BJ's... these are huge potatoes, only seven to a ten
>>>> pound bag...
>>>
>>> Those things just keep getting bigger and BIGGER every time you
>>> mention them! But they're still not as big as your balls, right?
>>>
>>> <yawn>
>>
>> LMAO! Seriously, his potatoes are approaching cantalope size. lol
>>
>> I would NOT want giant potatoes that 7 would equal 10 pounds.
>> I always buy 5lb bags of potatoes when they are on sale.
>> I always choose the bags with the smallest potatoes.
>> If you want more than a small one, just cook two.
>
>23 ounce potatoes wouldn't be very practical.

Very practical for paring, less time/waste, and most rounded dwarfs
can easily eat a huge baked spud.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
>
> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?

Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.

--

sf

On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
>>
>> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
>
>Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.

Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?

--
Bruce

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:10:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >
> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
> >>
> >> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
> >
> >Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.
>
> Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?

Because her son is a doctor?

--

sf

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:33:05 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:10:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
>> >>
>> >> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
>> >
>> >Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.
>>
>> Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?
>
>Because her son is a doctor?

Julie's? Aren't factory chickens so full of antibiotics that they can
serve as them?

--
Bruce

Gary > wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
>> and made the surge protector go bad.
>
> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.

Small spikes can degrade but not necessarily make It worthless. Been
disconnecting many old ones that are at least 15 years old. They can cause
fires. Some protection. Evidently, newer models have a type of fuse next to
the MOV to disconnect before damage. I have to inspect a few really nice
ones I bought long ago to see how they are constructed. I also disconnected
a type of whole house protector at the breaker box, after reading about
them causing fires.

Greg

John Kuthe > wrote:
> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
>>>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
>>>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
>>>> and made the surge protector go bad.
>>>
>>> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
>>> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
>>> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
>>
>> Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
>> surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
>> everything in to?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> sf
>
> Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come
> from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static
> discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's
> already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of
> AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!
>
> John Kuthe...

Surges can occur on the lines with no lightning. Surges can be generated
locally within your home from motors, and other homes innards, transformer
inductance. They can help on lighting strikes within the system, but no
help on direct hit. I had a power glitch few years ago. Lights off, on,
dim. Bam went my whole house protector. Blew out with loud crack. I didn't
notice anything happening with my other outlet strips.

Greg

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:33:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:10:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
>>> >>
>>> >> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
>>> >
>>> >Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.
>>>
>>> Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?
>>
>>Because her son is a doctor?
>
> Julie's? Aren't factory chickens so full of antibiotics that they can
> serve as them?

There is talk of laws preventing farmers from giving feed with antibiotics
included because of antibiotic resistance in humans

http://consumersunion.org/news/the-o...blic-health-2/


http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:46:15 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:33:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:10:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
>>>> >
>>>> >Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.
>>>>
>>>> Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?
>>>
>>>Because her son is a doctor?
>>
>> Julie's? Aren't factory chickens so full of antibiotics that they can
>> serve as them?
>
>There is talk of laws preventing farmers from giving feed with antibiotics
>included because of antibiotic resistance in humans
>
>http://consumersunion.org/news/the-o...blic-health-2/

Sounds like a good idea. I saw on the Dutch news that since they've
seriously reduced the amount of antibiotics given to chickens, the
amount of antibiotic resistant bacteria in supermarket chicken meat
has gone down significantly.

--
Bruce

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 10:46:15 -0000, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:33:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:10:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?
>>>>
>>>>Because her son is a doctor?
>>>
>>> Julie's? Aren't factory chickens so full of antibiotics that they can
>>> serve as them?
>>
>>There is talk of laws preventing farmers from giving feed with antibiotics
>>included because of antibiotic resistance in humans
>>
>>http://consumersunion.org/news/the-o...blic-health-2/
>
> Sounds like a good idea. I saw on the Dutch news that since they've
> seriously reduced the amount of antibiotics given to chickens, the
> amount of antibiotic resistant bacteria in supermarket chicken meat
> has gone down significantly.

Good because if it continues, there will be no antibiotics for humans that
will have any effect.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

In article >,
says...
>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 00:33:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:10:58 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:01:47 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:13:56 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I have tried the Jewish method of chicken broth.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> What is the Jewish method of chicken broth?
> >>> >
> >>> >Just guessing, but probably starting with a whole raw chicken.
> >>>
> >>> Not a chicken with too many antibiotics under its feathers?
> >>
> >>Because her son is a doctor?
> >
> > Julie's? Aren't factory chickens so full of antibiotics that they can
> > serve as them?
>
> There is talk of laws preventing farmers from giving feed with antibiotics
> included because of antibiotic resistance in humans
>
> http://consumersunion.org/news/the-o...blic-health-2/

Thats American legislation (or lack of it).

Britain's poultry industry already has much stricter limits on
antibiotic use in poultry.

http://www.britishpoultry.org.uk/are...al-health-and-
welfare/antibiotic-use-in-poultry/

Janet UK

On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 11:39:48 PM UTC-10, gregz wrote:
> John Kuthe > wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >> On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
> >>>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
> >>>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
> >>>> and made the surge protector go bad.
> >>>
> >>> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> >>> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> >>> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
> >>
> >> Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
> >> surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
> >> everything in to?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> sf
> >
> > Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come
> > from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static
> > discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's
> > already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of
> > AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Surges can occur on the lines with no lightning. Surges can be generated
> locally within your home from motors, and other homes innards, transformer
> inductance. They can help on lighting strikes within the system, but no
> help on direct hit. I had a power glitch few years ago. Lights off, on,
> dim. Bam went my whole house protector. Blew out with loud crack. I didn't
> notice anything happening with my other outlet strips.
>
> Greg

My father-in-law had lights in his small condo building that would go up and down with their elevator. He needed a power buffer for his place.

OTOH, the power supply for this island is pretty well regulated. It's kind of amazing. I'll always get 120V when measured with a digital VOM. I can use the outlets to check the calibration of meters. The frequency is well regulated also. There's a big clock at the main power plant that they use to keep track of the frequency. If it's fast or slow, they'll adjust the frequency in tiny amounts to keep it in sync. Well, that's the way they did it when I was going to school anyway.

On 9/12/2015 4:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 11:39:48 PM UTC-10, gregz wrote:
>> John Kuthe > wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
>>>>>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
>>>>>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
>>>>>> and made the surge protector go bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
>>>>> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
>>>>> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
>>>> surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
>>>> everything in to?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> sf
>>>
>>> Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come
>>> from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static
>>> discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's
>>> already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of
>>> AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Surges can occur on the lines with no lightning. Surges can be generated
>> locally within your home from motors, and other homes innards, transformer
>> inductance. They can help on lighting strikes within the system, but no
>> help on direct hit. I had a power glitch few years ago. Lights off, on,
>> dim. Bam went my whole house protector. Blew out with loud crack. I didn't
>> notice anything happening with my other outlet strips.
>>
>> Greg
>
> My father-in-law had lights in his small condo building that would go up and down with their elevator. He needed a power buffer for his place.
>
> OTOH, the power supply for this island is pretty well regulated. It's kind of amazing. I'll always get 120V when measured with a digital VOM. I can use the outlets to check the calibration of meters. The frequency is well regulated also. There's a big clock at the main power plant that they use to keep track of the frequency. If it's fast or slow, they'll adjust the frequency in tiny amounts to keep it in sync. Well, that's the way they did it when I was going to school anyway.
>
120V?? Pussy voltage!

Get real volts, go for 240V! ;-)

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Xeno

On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 4:47:13 AM UTC-5, Xeno wrote:
> On 9/12/2015 4:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 11:39:48 PM UTC-10, gregz wrote:
> >> John Kuthe > wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
> >>>>>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
> >>>>>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
> >>>>>> and made the surge protector go bad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> >>>>> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> >>>>> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
> >>>> surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
> >>>> everything in to?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> sf
> >>>
> >>> Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come
> >>> from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static
> >>> discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's
> >>> already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of
> >>> AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >>
> >> Surges can occur on the lines with no lightning. Surges can be generated
> >> locally within your home from motors, and other homes innards, transformer
> >> inductance. They can help on lighting strikes within the system, but no
> >> help on direct hit. I had a power glitch few years ago. Lights off, on,
> >> dim. Bam went my whole house protector. Blew out with loud crack. I didn't
> >> notice anything happening with my other outlet strips.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >
> > My father-in-law had lights in his small condo building that would go up and down with their elevator. He needed a power buffer for his place.
> >
> > OTOH, the power supply for this island is pretty well regulated. It's kind of amazing. I'll always get 120V when measured with a digital VOM. I can use the outlets to check the calibration of meters. The frequency is well regulated also. There's a big clock at the main power plant that they use to keep track of the frequency. If it's fast or slow, they'll adjust the frequency in tiny amounts to keep it in sync. Well, that's the way they did it when I was going to school anyway.
> >
> 120V?? Pussy voltage!
>
> Get real volts, go for 240V! ;-)

We use 240V (single-phase) for some things. The dryer, table saw, bandsaw,
and central air-conditioner.

I personally don't make a great deal of use of electric resistance heating,
so I'm agnostic on voltage.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/12/2015 10:34 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 4:47:13 AM UTC-5, Xeno wrote:
>> On 9/12/2015 4:59 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 11:39:48 PM UTC-10, gregz wrote:
>>>> John Kuthe > wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 1:02:58 PM UTC-6, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 11:09:42 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was trying to save some money as I've been hit right and left with added
>>>>>>>> expenses. Luckily the computer repair wasn't as bad as I thought it would
>>>>>>>> be. They think the storms we've been having knocked out the power supply
>>>>>>>> and made the surge protector go bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
>>>>>>> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
>>>>>>> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, I didn't know any of the above. Are you talking about the
>>>>>> surge protector that's on the laptop cord or the one we plug
>>>>>> everything in to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sf
>>>>>
>>>>> Surge protectors are a joke! Where's this alleged surge supposed to come
>>>>> from? Lightning? Do you know what lightning is? Big time static
>>>>> discharge!! Millions of volts of potential equalizing itself!! It's
>>>>> already ionized and traveled though hundreds maybe thousands of feet of
>>>>> AIR (an insulator), so nothing you're gonna put in a little box is gonna stop it!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> Surges can occur on the lines with no lightning. Surges can be generated
>>>> locally within your home from motors, and other homes innards, transformer
>>>> inductance. They can help on lighting strikes within the system, but no
>>>> help on direct hit. I had a power glitch few years ago. Lights off, on,
>>>> dim. Bam went my whole house protector. Blew out with loud crack. I didn't
>>>> notice anything happening with my other outlet strips.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>
>>> My father-in-law had lights in his small condo building that would go up and down with their elevator. He needed a power buffer for his place.
>>>
>>> OTOH, the power supply for this island is pretty well regulated. It's kind of amazing. I'll always get 120V when measured with a digital VOM. I can use the outlets to check the calibration of meters. The frequency is well regulated also. There's a big clock at the main power plant that they use to keep track of the frequency. If it's fast or slow, they'll adjust the frequency in tiny amounts to keep it in sync. Well, that's the way they did it when I was going to school anyway.
>>>
>> 120V?? Pussy voltage!
>>
>> Get real volts, go for 240V! ;-)
>
> We use 240V (single-phase) for some things. The dryer, table saw, bandsaw,
> and central air-conditioner.
>
> I personally don't make a great deal of use of electric resistance heating,
> so I'm agnostic on voltage.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
We don't get a choice here. For single phase, it's 240V/50 Hz or
nothing. Actually, in recent times the voltage has been dropped to 230V
to maintain compatibility with some other parts of the world. 3 Phase is
415V.

--

Xeno

On Saturday, December 5, 2015 at 11:11:27 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> One thing I learned long ago...surge protectors only protect you for
> one time. After that, they are worthless. Most will start blinking the
> led to let you know they are used up and you need to replace it.

That is near zero protectors that are also a fire threat. Properly installed protector means direct lightning strikes without damage - even to a protector. But that means one rated at 50,000 amps and connected within feet of the earth ground electrode. Plug-in protectors are undersized to fail. Being near zero, failure get the naive to promote these obscenely profitable items.

A protector adjacent to an appliance sometimes can make computer damage easier - as seen by the failed protector and power supply. It did exactly what its specifications (numbers) said it would do.

On 12/6/2015 1:41 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> 23 ounce potatoes wouldn't be very practical.
>
> -sw
Just you, your forgeries, and your history of stalking women on the net:

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>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:30:27 -0500, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday I bought another ten pound bag of Green Giant mammoth
>>> russets from BJ's... these are huge potatoes, only seven to a ten
>>> pound bag...
>>
>> Those things just keep getting bigger and BIGGER every time you
>> mention them! But they're still not as big as your balls, right?
>>
>> <yawn>
>
> LMAO! Seriously, his potatoes are approaching cantalope size. lol
>
> I would NOT want giant potatoes that 7 would equal 10 pounds.
> I always buy 5lb bags of potatoes when they are on sale.
> I always choose the bags with the smallest potatoes.
> If you want more than a small one, just cook two.
>

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