"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 12/4/2014 1:16 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:25:05 -0600, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I still have a 3 watt analog bag phone.
>>
>> Bag phone? Haven't heard of that one. Did you have the one that
>> looked like a briefcase?
>>
>
> It lived in a case and it looked rather like a leather brick with a
> shoulder strap. Weighed almost as much as a brick, too.

I remember those


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On 04/12/2014 2:28 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:45:12 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the hell
>>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>
>>> I was wondering the same thing. It's odd.
>>
>> Plenty of males develop medical problems later, which require
>> circumcision. The oldest I know, was 40 :-(
>> Circumcision on a larger penis is not the little snip newborns get;
>> it requires a GA, and stitches. So that 11 yr old didn't get it done for
>> fun.
>>
> Give the choice, who would - unless they're a masochist?
>
>
Actually, they are more likely to be masochists if they don't!!
Graham

On 2014-12-04 3:46 PM, graham wrote:

>>> In my case I experienced problems after measles and the urologist
>>> recommended it. Naturally, at 9, I had no say in the matter.
>>
>> You were not so lucky as my gs then.
>>
>> Still, changed days, eh?
>>
>>
> Yes! I was in hospital for about 10 days!!


I don't understand the objection to circumcision of infant males.
There are significant health benefits. I was lucky to have been part of
the generation that had it done routinely. I think a lot it had to do
with having fathers who had served in the armed forces in war time and
saw too many cases of young men developing problems that required
circumcision and then endured weeks of pain. Trust me, I was not
traumatized by the procedure.

I would have had our son done but he had some health issues and there
could have been complications. I just hope for his sake that he does
not require it later in life.

On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme discomfort. I
> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown problem
> here.

It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
the bud (so to speak).


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On 2014-12-04 4:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>>> I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's ridiculous to
>>> pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
>>> out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
>>> stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.
>>
>> The rest of the world has moved on.
>>
>
> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
>

At the risk of raising the ire of sf... I was just on the phone with my
son and he is having so many problems with is old lap top that he now
has to spend some time learning to deal with his new one, which came
with Windows 8. One of his problems has been with loading Office into
it. He has the 2010 version of it. It is home use and serves his
purposes. However, he had problems entering the key. It won't accept
that version of Office with his version of Windows.

WTF??? They are both MS products. He bought Office 2010 in good faith.
He is licensed to use that software. MS changed the operating system
and now expects him to pay them again to use the same software he was
licensed to use.

On 2014-12-04 4:22 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

> Some people like to do things the way they are used to doing them. I'm
> a bit like that with most things. I'd rather do things the way that
> makes me comfortable even if it isn't the most efficient way.


When I first got into computers and there was stiff competition from
different software companies and people were comparing the relative
merits of various programs, a friend suggested that it didn't matter to
most people. Most of us don't need all the features that the various
programs offer. He claimed that what was best for people was what they
were used to, and he thought that so many of the features were the same
or similar that you were better off sticking with what you knew.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/3/2014 9:41 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 12/3/2014 6:41 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I didn't know that! I do remember Tandy leather. Was always dreaming
>>> of making their projects but never did.
>>
>> I made some of their stuff. It was mostly taking stamped pieces of
>> leather and lacing it together through the stamped holes on the edges.
>>
> They didn't just sell kits, though. You could buy entire hides, and the
> tools for working with them, and all sorts of jewelry findings. I still
> have a bead loom I bought from them.

I had a bead loom. May well have come from there. It was a gift.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:17:49 -0600, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would use Control P
>>
>> I have never heard of it before this.
>>
>>> I also use Firefox as my browser and there is a
>>> thing with three lines in the upper right-hand corner that, if you click
>>> on it, offers many tasks including printing.
>>
>> Print is located under "File". It's not that hard. What's hard is
>> printing just what you want printed, not all that other cr*p. I copy
>> the text and paste it into my word processing program so I can delete
>> all the extraneous stuff that I don't want before I hit the print
>> button.
>
> When I hit Ctrl+P it brings up a screen. At that point I have already
> chosen what I want to print by selecting only what I want to print on the
> webpage, email, etc. and then clicking on *selection only* in printer
> screen.

I wish that would work with my new blood sugar meter. The old one allowed
me to choose what to print. The new one only has a quick print option and
it gives me useless (to me) graphs in addition to what I need.

On 2014-12-04 4:31 PM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:01:00 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> Yes, behind the scenes, for professionals. But for consumers, it's
>> mainly Windows.
>
> Only certain "professionals" use Apple. Not all of them.
>

When I got into computers I understood that Apple products were supposed
to be better for graphics. I also understood that the systems were
proprietary and a heck of a lot more expensive. I quickly learned how
to find and install PC types of hardware, which were much cheaper. The
availability of peripherals that I could use and and much lower prices
were what guided my decisions.

On 2014-12-04 4:34 PM, sf wrote:

>> I find that I'm publishing a lot of stuff in PDF these days as it seems
>> that most people, other than my friend Dyan with her iPad, can open a
>> PDF file.
>
> I get kind of ****y about being sent .pdfs, but at least I can convert
> them to what I like.
>

Well .. shit... What did you post about me and formats my system had
issues with?

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> > But what if he wants children later in life?
>>
>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>
> For sure! I was thinking the same as Bruce. It's reversible, but
> it's an odd choice for an 11 YO to make. Circumcision is also a weird
> one to make. It's either done at birth or they stay au natural.

And sometimes needed for medical reasons.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the
>> hell
>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>
> I was wondering the same thing. It's odd.

Hardly.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 12/4/2014 12:40 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > But what if he wants children later in life?
>>>>>
>>>>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>>>>
>>>> For sure! I was thinking the same as Bruce. It's reversible, but
>>>> it's an odd choice for an 11 YO to make. Circumcision is also a weird
>>>> one to make. It's either done at birth or they stay au natural.
>>>
>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the
>>> hell
>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>
>>>
>> Perhaps he was having repeated infections in that area.
>
> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme discomfort.
> I am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
> problem here.

It's not unknown here either. But... For those of us who are older, we are
not familiar with uncircumcised males. In my day it was done to everyone.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme discomfort.
>> I
>> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
>> problem
>> here.
>
> It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
> the bud (so to speak).

It *used* to be normal here. Now the trend is not to do it.

Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 2014-12-04 4:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>>> I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's ridiculous to
>>>> pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
>>>> out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
>>>> stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.
>>>
>>> The rest of the world has moved on.
>>>
>>
>> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
>>
>
> At the risk of raising the ire of sf... I was just on the phone with my
> son and he is having so many problems with is old lap top that he now
> has to spend some time learning to deal with his new one, which came with
> Windows 8. One of his problems has been with loading Office into it. He
> has the 2010 version of it. It is home use and serves his purposes.
> However, he had problems entering the key. It won't accept that version
> of Office with his version of Windows.
>
> WTF??? They are both MS products. He bought Office 2010 in good faith. He
> is licensed to use that software. MS changed the operating system and
> now expects him to pay them again to use the same software he was licensed to use.

Is he sure about that? I have a newer laptop with Windows 8 on it, and just
last week I installed parts of Office 2003 on it (outlook and access).
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On 12/3/2014 8:44 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:53:55 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> You're pretty much out of luck with Forte Agent or any Windows program
>> in the Chrome or Android OSes. On the Chromebook, I use Google Groups.
>
> Thanks, that's what I suspected. I hate Google Groups, so I'm still
> focused on the Transformer Book for myself, but I'm going to encourage
> my husband to get a Chromebook for himself when he needs a new netbook
> because he doesn't use any applications and he never creates or saves
> anything. When he retired, he really retired! LOL
>

Actually, you're out of luck with Android period - the mobile interface
of Google Groups will not allow for quoting when replying. This makes it
easy to spot people posting from their phone or tablet. If you can't
stand Google Groups, you're gonna just hate the NNTP apps for Android
out there.

The Asus Transformer Tablet has a very nice display. The funny part is
that as a tablet, it's kind of big but with the keyboard, it's too
small. My assumption is that it will be upgradable to Win 10 for no
charge in the next few months.

As far as the Chromebook goes, the Toshiba CB35-B3340 is a pretty good
choice. You can get a Chromebook for $199 but I really dig the the HD
display and the 4 GB of memory. Contrary to what people say, there are 2
standard sized USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports. I can't say what the deal is with
Amazon.com - the prices posted for this item was $392.99, $299.99,
$329.99 and $409.99 in a twenty four hour period. Now the price is
listed as $299.99. Mystery price shifting.

On 12/4/2014 1:40 AM, wrote:

>
> Well it depends a lot on what you are doing - I quite regularly use
> Publisher to produce a small mag for a group of people. It allows me
> to easily insert pics, use columns or regular page, headlines, too
> many things that I suppose I just take for granted. They could
> obviously be done another way but this is publishing for the dumb, no
> effort.
>

Publisher has it's fans, count me in that number. However, I think most
people will be doing their desktop publishing on the cloud - that's the
future. OTOH, I've made brochures for my business on Publisher that look
just great - people can't believe that it was put together by little ole
me and printed on an inkjet printer. As a matter of fact, I have to get
off my butt and start to put together 2015 brochures. My old 2000
version of Publisher is quite up to the task. I'm really milking this
program for all it's worth!

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
>>> discomfort. I
>>> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
>>> problem
>>> here.
>>
>> It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
>> the bud (so to speak).
>
> It *used* to be normal here. Now the trend is not to do it.

It's still normal, but not as routine unless requested.

Cheri

On 12/4/2014 2:21 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:58:42 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-04 1:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> I use both. If my hand is on the mouse, I use the mouse, but if my
>>> hands are on the keyboard, Cnrtl O, Cntrl S and just as fast and easy.
>>> No method is better thant he other.
>>
>> When I am cutting and pasting I tend to use the keyboard Ctrl C & V
>> because it is much faster than having to move the mouse around, pull
>> down menus etc.
>
> I like selecting a small portion of text with my mouse, so the
> cup/copy paste part is easy with mouse buttons.
>

That is where I use both. Select with the mouse in right hand, copy and
paste using keyboard with left hand.

I'm left handed so my main home computer mouse is on the left, but my
computer at work is on the right. I do work on other computers at work
so I'm comfortable either way.

On 12/4/2014 6:25 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-04 4:22 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>> Some people like to do things the way they are used to doing them. I'm
>> a bit like that with most things. I'd rather do things the way that
>> makes me comfortable even if it isn't the most efficient way.
>
>
> When I first got into computers and there was stiff competition from
> different software companies and people were comparing the relative
> merits of various programs, a friend suggested that it didn't matter to
> most people. Most of us don't need all the features that the various
> programs offer. He claimed that what was best for people was what they
> were used to, and he thought that so many of the features were the same
> or similar that you were better off sticking with what you knew.
>
>
Very true. I started with Quattro Pro for DOS, then Windows and
eventually MS Office. Every day I use a couple of Excel macros that I
wrote in 1995. The computers and software versions were upgraded but
the simple spreadsheets and a Word table are still the same. They work.

On 12/4/2014 3:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 04/12/2014 1:39 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 04/12/2014 12:56 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:50:21 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As did my grandson. He was have big problems for a long time, but
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> surgeon told him it had to be his decision. He did when he was
>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>> 11.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But what if he wants children later in life?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And you're not talking about tonsils either, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good guess
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor kid was really suffering. As I said, his surgeon gave him the
>>>>> choice
>>>>> and in the end he accepted the op. Now, of course he is relieved he
>>>>> did,
>>>>> but he didn't have an easy time. Oddly enough my husband had the same
>>>>> problem but he didn't get his op until his 20s. He wishes he could
>>>>> have
>>>>> had his done when as young as grandson.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> In my case I experienced problems after measles and the urologist
>>>> recommended it. Naturally, at 9, I had no say in the matter.
>>>
>>> You were not so lucky as my gs then.
>>>
>>> Still, changed days, eh?
>>>
>>>
>> Yes! I was in hospital for about 10 days!!
>
> Long time, but in those days it was usual.
>

In the 40's, 50's and even into the early 60's they kept the mother in
the hospital until the baby boy was circumcised. Jewish mothers had to
stay at least 8 days as that's when a Bris is held. They were done in
the hospital.

Insurance companies soon put a stop to that, so most were held at home.
My son was snipped at home. It was celebrated with deli platters and
much cake. Every Jewish rite of passage must be catered.

Funny story from my crazy past. After my baby boy was born and I was
back in a regular room, they brought him to show him to me. He had all
ten fingers and toes, but something was terribly wrong with his little
penis. I began to cry. "Oh, the poor baby, what kind of life will he
have", etc. I was as hysterical as any new mother with raging hormones
could be.

They called in Dr. Silverman, the pediatrician, who finally calmed me
down enough to learn why I was so upset. Having never seen an
uncircumcised male member, I thought my baby boy was born without a top
to his little penis.

Needless to say, I never lived that down.

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From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/4/2014 3:28 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:45:12 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the hell
>>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>
>>> I was wondering the same thing. It's odd.
>>
>> Plenty of males develop medical problems later, which require
>> circumcision. The oldest I know, was 40 :-(
>> Circumcision on a larger penis is not the little snip newborns get;
>> it requires a GA, and stitches. So that 11 yr old didn't get it done for
>> fun.
>>
> Give the choice, who would - unless they're a masochist?
>
>
....or converting to Judaism.

--
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On 12/4/2014 3:37 PM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:13:50 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
>
> For good reason!
>
Name one, please.

I'm not stuck on a company that consistently releases programs that are
in immediate need of patches. When I lived int he RV and did not have
internet access on a regular basis, I would not buy any Microsoft
software as it *always* needed some kind of patch right out of the box.

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On 12/4/2014 3:44 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> eb.com...
>> On 12/4/2014 12:40 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > But what if he wants children later in life?
>>>>>
>>>>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>>>>
>>>> For sure! I was thinking the same as Bruce. It's reversible, but
>>>> it's an odd choice for an 11 YO to make. Circumcision is also a weird
>>>> one to make. It's either done at birth or they stay au natural.
>>>
>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the
>>> hell
>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>
>>>
>> Perhaps he was having repeated infections in that area.
>
> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
> discomfort. I am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not
> an unknown problem here.
>
>

All the men in my life were snipped as infants.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/4/2014 5:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-04 4:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>>> I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's
>>>> ridiculous to
>>>> pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
>>>> out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
>>>> stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.
>>>
>>> The rest of the world has moved on.
>>>
>>
>> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
>>
>
> At the risk of raising the ire of sf... I was just on the phone with my
> son and he is having so many problems with is old lap top that he now
> has to spend some time learning to deal with his new one, which came
> with Windows 8. One of his problems has been with loading Office into
> it. He has the 2010 version of it. It is home use and serves his
> purposes. However, he had problems entering the key. It won't accept
> that version of Office with his version of Windows.
>
> WTF??? They are both MS products. He bought Office 2010 in good faith.
> He is licensed to use that software. MS changed the operating system
> and now expects him to pay them again to use the same software he was
> licensed to use.

another reason why Microsoft sucks.

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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 12/4/2014 3:44 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>>> On 12/4/2014 12:40 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > But what if he wants children later in life?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>>>>>
>>>>> For sure! I was thinking the same as Bruce. It's reversible, but
>>>>> it's an odd choice for an 11 YO to make. Circumcision is also a weird
>>>>> one to make. It's either done at birth or they stay au natural.
>>>>
>>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the
>>>> hell
>>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Perhaps he was having repeated infections in that area.
>>
>> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
>> discomfort. I am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not
>> an unknown problem here.
>>
>>
>
> All the men in my life were snipped as infants.

Mine too.

Cheri

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:55:27 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-12-04 4:34 PM, sf wrote:
>
> >> I find that I'm publishing a lot of stuff in PDF these days as it seems
> >> that most people, other than my friend Dyan with her iPad, can open a
> >> PDF file.
> >
> > I get kind of ****y about being sent .pdfs, but at least I can convert
> > them to what I like.
> >
>
> Well .. shit... What did you post about me and formats my system had
> issues with?

You obviously have no ability to deal with it.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:41:25 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> On 12/4/2014 3:37 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:13:50 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
> >
> > For good reason!
> >
> Name one, please.
>
> I'm not stuck on a company that consistently releases programs that are
> in immediate need of patches. When I lived int he RV and did not have
> internet access on a regular basis, I would not buy any Microsoft
> software as it *always* needed some kind of patch right out of the box.

I'm thinking back to when it first came out. It was such a relief to
have something that was intuitive. It still is, but now they have
made it less transparent because you have to wade through too many
layers. It's not as bad as DOS and Word Perfect used to be and not
like Apple/Mac is, but it's going down that road.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 00:16:03 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
> wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote:
> > On 2014-12-04 4:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> >
> >>>> I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's ridiculous to
> >>>> pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
> >>>> out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
> >>>> stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.
> >>>
> >>> The rest of the world has moved on.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
> >>
> >
> > At the risk of raising the ire of sf... I was just on the phone with my
> > son and he is having so many problems with is old lap top that he now
> > has to spend some time learning to deal with his new one, which came with
> > Windows 8. One of his problems has been with loading Office into it. He
> > has the 2010 version of it. It is home use and serves his purposes.
> > However, he had problems entering the key. It won't accept that version
> > of Office with his version of Windows.
> >
> > WTF??? They are both MS products. He bought Office 2010 in good faith. He
> > is licensed to use that software. MS changed the operating system and
> > now expects him to pay them again to use the same software he was licensed to use.
>
> Is he sure about that? I have a newer laptop with Windows 8 on it, and just
> last week I installed parts of Office 2003 on it (outlook and access).

Wow! Really? Good news! Let me know how it goes for you.


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Good Friends.
Good Memories.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:09:55 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:44:59 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
> >On 12/4/2014 5:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2014-12-04 4:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's
> >>>>> ridiculous to
> >>>>> pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
> >>>>> out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
> >>>>> stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.
> >>>>
> >>>> The rest of the world has moved on.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> The rest of the world has fallen prey to Microsoft.
> >>>
> >>
> >> At the risk of raising the ire of sf... I was just on the phone with my
> >> son and he is having so many problems with is old lap top that he now
> >> has to spend some time learning to deal with his new one, which came
> >> with Windows 8. One of his problems has been with loading Office into
> >> it. He has the 2010 version of it. It is home use and serves his
> >> purposes. However, he had problems entering the key. It won't accept
> >> that version of Office with his version of Windows.
> >>
> >> WTF??? They are both MS products. He bought Office 2010 in good faith.
> >> He is licensed to use that software. MS changed the operating system
> >> and now expects him to pay them again to use the same software he was
> >> licensed to use.
> >
> >another reason why Microsoft sucks.
>
> Or his son needs glasses so he can read the key code.

You have a point, but I thought win8 was so much different that you
just can't use your old software on it. I've decided not going to buy
anything new (unless I'm forced by need) until w10 has had a year or
two to get the kinks out.

I have no experience with w8 - but dsi1knows about these things, so he
can weigh in on the subject.


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On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:06:32 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme discomfort.
> >> I
> >> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
> >> problem
> >> here.
> >
> > It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
> > the bud (so to speak).
>
> It *used* to be normal here. Now the trend is not to do it.

Which is the same type of *stupid* parent who doesn't vaccinate their
children.


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On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:38:34 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> On 12/4/2014 3:28 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:45:12 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the hell
> >>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering the same thing. It's odd.
> >>
> >> Plenty of males develop medical problems later, which require
> >> circumcision. The oldest I know, was 40 :-(
> >> Circumcision on a larger penis is not the little snip newborns get;
> >> it requires a GA, and stitches. So that 11 yr old didn't get it done for
> >> fun.
> >>
> > Give the choice, who would - unless they're a masochist?
> >
> >
> ...or converting to Judaism.

Honestly, most/all that I know wouldn't need to be snipped to convert.
The only boys I know that weren't snipped had an ethnic Danish mother.


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On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:54:19 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 2014-12-04 4:31 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 08:01:00 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, behind the scenes, for professionals. But for consumers, it's
> >> mainly Windows.
> >
> > Only certain "professionals" use Apple. Not all of them.
> >
>
> When I got into computers I understood that Apple products were supposed
> to be better for graphics. I also understood that the systems were
> proprietary and a heck of a lot more expensive. I quickly learned how
> to find and install PC types of hardware, which were much cheaper. The
> availability of peripherals that I could use and and much lower prices
> were what guided my decisions.

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"graham" > wrote in message
...
> On 04/12/2014 2:28 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:45:12 -0000, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:40:33 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why
>>>>> the hell
>>>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>>
>>>> I was wondering the same thing. It's odd.
>>>
>>> Plenty of males develop medical problems later, which require
>>> circumcision. The oldest I know, was 40 :-(
>>> Circumcision on a larger penis is not the little snip newborns get;
>>> it requires a GA, and stitches. So that 11 yr old didn't get it done for
>>> fun.
>>>
>> Give the choice, who would - unless they're a masochist?
>>
>>
> Actually, they are more likely to be masochists if they don't!!

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme discomfort.
>> I
>> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
>> problem
>> here.
>
> It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
> the bud (so to speak).

Something you really need to get into your head!!!

At birth it is a simple operation. We are not of a religion that demands
it, nor do we do it for fashion.

In our society it is only performed as a medical necessity.




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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 12/4/2014 3:12 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 04/12/2014 1:39 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 04/12/2014 12:56 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 09:50:21 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As did my grandson. He was have big problems for a long time, but
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> surgeon told him it had to be his decision. He did when he was
>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>> 11.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But what if he wants children later in life?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And you're not talking about tonsils either, I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good guess
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poor kid was really suffering. As I said, his surgeon gave him the
>>>>>> choice
>>>>>> and in the end he accepted the op. Now, of course he is relieved he
>>>>>> did,
>>>>>> but he didn't have an easy time. Oddly enough my husband had the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> problem but he didn't get his op until his 20s. He wishes he could
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> had his done when as young as grandson.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> In my case I experienced problems after measles and the urologist
>>>>> recommended it. Naturally, at 9, I had no say in the matter.
>>>>
>>>> You were not so lucky as my gs then.
>>>>
>>>> Still, changed days, eh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yes! I was in hospital for about 10 days!!
>>
>> Long time, but in those days it was usual.
>>
>
> In the 40's, 50's and even into the early 60's they kept the mother in the
> hospital until the baby boy was circumcised. Jewish mothers had to stay
> at least 8 days as that's when a Bris is held. They were done in the
> hospital.
>
> Insurance companies soon put a stop to that, so most were held at home. My
> son was snipped at home. It was celebrated with deli platters and much
> cake. Every Jewish rite of passage must be catered.
>
> Funny story from my crazy past. After my baby boy was born and I was back
> in a regular room, they brought him to show him to me. He had all ten
> fingers and toes, but something was terribly wrong with his little penis.
> I began to cry. "Oh, the poor baby, what kind of life will he have", etc.
> I was as hysterical as any new mother with raging hormones could be.
>
> They called in Dr. Silverman, the pediatrician, who finally calmed me down
> enough to learn why I was so upset. Having never seen an uncircumcised
> male member, I thought my baby boy was born without a top to his little
> penis.
>
> Needless to say, I never lived that down.

lol well natural enough if you had never seen one)))


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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
eb.com...
> On 12/4/2014 3:44 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> eb.com...
>>> On 12/4/2014 12:40 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 15:45:39 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> > But what if he wants children later in life?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?? Hmm I think we are talking about two different snips)
>>>>>
>>>>> For sure! I was thinking the same as Bruce. It's reversible, but
>>>>> it's an odd choice for an 11 YO to make. Circumcision is also a weird
>>>>> one to make. It's either done at birth or they stay au natural.
>>>>
>>>> So do you suppose a young boy thought it a fun thing to do??? Why the
>>>> hell
>>>> do you think he chose to have that painful surgery??
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Perhaps he was having repeated infections in that area.
>>
>> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
>> discomfort. I am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not
>> an unknown problem here.
>>
>>
>
> All the men in my life were snipped as infants.

As I said elsewhere. It is not routinely done here except for religion or
possibly fashion.

In our society is is done as a medical necessity.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:06:32 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
>> >> discomfort.
>> >> I
>> >> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
>> >> problem
>> >> here.
>> >
>> > It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
>> > the bud (so to speak).
>>
>> It *used* to be normal here. Now the trend is not to do it.
>
> Which is the same type of *stupid* parent who doesn't vaccinate their
> children.

So you equate circumcision with vaccination?

I hadn't had you down as quite that stupid but ... I see I was wrong.
Yours in not the only way of doing things, nor the only ideals in the world,
whatever you might think. You really ought to try to be a little more open
minded but I doubt you will manage that at your age.

You are so parochial you take my breath away. To say you have travelled ...
I can see you are the type who sticks to everything American regardless of
you which country you are in. I doubt you could ever live in any other
culture but your own. You are certainly too stupid to adapt.


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:06:32 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
>> >> discomfort.
>> >> I
>> >> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
>> >> problem
>> >> here.
>> >
>> > It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
>> > the bud (so to speak).
>>
>> It *used* to be normal here. Now the trend is not to do it.
>
> Which is the same type of *stupid* parent who doesn't vaccinate their
> children.

Why in the world would you say that? Normally, a foreskin isn't a problem.
It can be but that's the exception. The problem is that circumcised males
are growing up and becoming angry at their lack of foreskin. Some have sued
their parents. I don't know the outcome of those cases. Some attempt
reconstructive surgery. Some parents have it done for religious reasons but
mostly they do it because daddy had it done and that in my book isn't a good
reason at all.

I knew I was having a girl so we didn't discuss this. But if I'd had a boy
you had better believe that I wouldn't have had the procedure done unless
there was a valid medical reason.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 00:22:54 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 16:06:32 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:44:43 -0000, "Ophelia"
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> No, no! Things were so tight he was in constant and extreme
>>> >> discomfort.
>>> >> I
>>> >> am surprised it comes as a surprise to usians. It is not an unknown
>>> >> problem
>>> >> here.
>>> >
>>> > It's normal here to be snipped at birth, so those things are nipped in
>>> > the bud (so to speak).
>>>
>>> It *used* to be normal here. Now the trend is not to do it.
>>
>>Which is the same type of *stupid* parent who doesn't vaccinate their
>>children.
>
> You're defending a retarded custom. If your ears always bleed because
> they hit the door frame every time you enter a room, you get them
> fixed. But you don't preemptively cut all babies' ears back.

Exactly!