The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/

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Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:16:58 -0800, sf > wrote:

>
>The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
>as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/

The 100% of us affected is a shocker at first, but I'd say is very
real. We tend do shove mental illness under the carpet and don't want
to be associated with it..

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:16:58 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>>The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
>>as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/
>
> The 100% of us affected is a shocker at first, but I'd say is very
> real. We tend do shove mental illness under the carpet and don't want
> to be associated with it..

Yep. And many who have it will go to great lengths not to be diagnosed.
It's just far easier to say that people are eccentric or some such thing.

On 2014-12-02 5:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:16:58 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>>
>> The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
>> as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/
>
> The 100% of us affected is a shocker at first, but I'd say is very
> real. We tend do shove mental illness under the carpet and don't want
> to be associated with it..
>


It doesn't shock me. I don't many families that don't have at least one
person who is being treated for some form of mental illness, depression
being one of the most common forms of it. In fact, most people have
episodes of it at one time or another.

After my heart surgery I was warned to expect episodes of depression and
told to seek help if they persisted. As predicted, I did experience
them, and I am lucky that they were short lived. I would be watching
something on television and there were be a scene that would have a
powerful impact on me, probably much more than it should have and it
would make me profoundly sad. It was like a dark cloud sweeping over me.
Fortunately, it would last only a very short time, less than a minute
and they stopped happening after a couple weeks. I can't imagine who
people can endure extended periods of that.

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:20:36 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> After my heart surgery I was warned to expect episodes of depression and
> told to seek help if they persisted. As predicted, I did experience
> them, and I am lucky that they were short lived. I would be watching
> something on television and there were be a scene that would have a
> powerful impact on me, probably much more than it should have and it
> would make me profoundly sad. It was like a dark cloud sweeping over me.
> Fortunately, it would last only a very short time, less than a minute
> and they stopped happening after a couple weeks. I can't imagine who
> people can endure extended periods of that.

I'd be depressed too if my cardiologist told me that I had to give up
eating chicken wings, and I were dumb enough to believe him.

--Bryan

On 2014-12-03 6:49 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:

>
> I'd be depressed too if my cardiologist told me that I had to give up
> eating chicken wings, and I were dumb enough to believe him.
>
Wow. It must suck to be your.

On 2014-12-02 10:42 AM, wrote:

>> powerful impact on me, probably much more than it should have and it
>> would make me profoundly sad. It was like a dark cloud sweeping over me.
>> Fortunately, it would last only a very short time, less than a minute
>> and they stopped happening after a couple weeks. I can't imagine who
>> people can endure extended periods of that.
>
> They don't know why that happens but it sure does. A friend who was
> always the eternally cheerful, jolly type, fell into a mega depression
> after open heart surgery. When his wife mentioned to the doctor none
> of could believe depression would hit him, the doc said, common after
> heart surgery.
>


Had they not warned him about the connection like they did with me. I
was told that it is common and to get help if it persists. It was like
a dark heavy cloud rolling through.I would be just fine and then
suddenly experience a wave of despair. Thank goodness it rolled out as
quickly as it rolled in.

It helps to be forewarned. When I broke ribs a few years ago I was told
in the ER to take a really deep breath at least once an hour. Otherwise,
fluids would build up and I might end up with pneumonia. A friend of
mine broke a couple ribs just after I did and after about a week he
ended up with pneumonia. He asked me who would have thought you could
get pneumonia from broken ribs. Seems them never warned him about a
simple exercise that prevented me from getting a serious illness.

wrote:
>
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:06:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Had they not warned him about the connection like they did with me. I
> >was told that it is common and to get help if it persists. It was like
> >a dark heavy cloud rolling through.I would be just fine and then
> >suddenly experience a wave of despair. Thank goodness it rolled out as
> >quickly as it rolled in.
> >
> >It helps to be forewarned. When I broke ribs a few years ago I was told
> >in the ER to take a really deep breath at least once an hour. Otherwise,
> >fluids would build up and I might end up with pneumonia. A friend of
> >mine broke a couple ribs just after I did and after about a week he
> >ended up with pneumonia. He asked me who would have thought you could
> >get pneumonia from broken ribs. Seems them never warned him about a
> >simple exercise that prevented me from getting a serious illness.
> >
> Sorry, just fired a blank lol
>
> They don't seem to warn people all the time. An old school friend in
> the UK was saying her husband was about to have major heart surgery
> and I warned her about the depression maybe attacking. They had not
> been told and she was glad she knew as she said he was beyond 'glum'
> even though things went well.

This is why you have to research all conditions and surgeries for
yourself. Despite the face that they can manage to automatically provide
an info sheet with details on medications, potential side effects and
interactions with any prescription fill, they can't seem to do the same
for conditions and surgeries or at least not consistently. With the
change to EMRs, perhaps this bit of automation will follow like it has
for prescriptions.

In article >,
says...
>
> wrote:

> > They don't seem to warn people all the time. An old school friend in
> > the UK was saying her husband was about to have major heart surgery
> > and I warned her about the depression maybe attacking. They had not
> > been told and she was glad she knew as she said he was beyond 'glum'
> > even though things went well.
>
> This is why you have to research all conditions and surgeries for
> yourself. Despite the face that they can manage to automatically provide
> an info sheet with details on medications, potential side effects and
> interactions with any prescription fill, they can't seem to do the same
> for conditions and surgeries or at least not consistently.

Don't underestimate the patients (and family members) ability to
blank out bad news, however thoroughly and sympathetically delivered.
They are too scared or stressed to take it on board. I've twice been in
consults with friends who left believing the exact opposite of what the
doctor had just told them, absolutely clearly, in my presence.

Janet UK

wrote:
>
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:31:09 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:06:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Had they not warned him about the connection like they did with me. I
> >> >was told that it is common and to get help if it persists. It was like
> >> >a dark heavy cloud rolling through.I would be just fine and then
> >> >suddenly experience a wave of despair. Thank goodness it rolled out as
> >> >quickly as it rolled in.
> >> >
> >> >It helps to be forewarned. When I broke ribs a few years ago I was told
> >> >in the ER to take a really deep breath at least once an hour. Otherwise,
> >> >fluids would build up and I might end up with pneumonia. A friend of
> >> >mine broke a couple ribs just after I did and after about a week he
> >> >ended up with pneumonia. He asked me who would have thought you could
> >> >get pneumonia from broken ribs. Seems them never warned him about a
> >> >simple exercise that prevented me from getting a serious illness.
> >> >
> >> Sorry, just fired a blank lol
> >>
> >> They don't seem to warn people all the time. An old school friend in
> >> the UK was saying her husband was about to have major heart surgery
> >> and I warned her about the depression maybe attacking. They had not
> >> been told and she was glad she knew as she said he was beyond 'glum'
> >> even though things went well.
> >
> >This is why you have to research all conditions and surgeries for
> >yourself. Despite the face that they can manage to automatically provide
> >an info sheet with details on medications, potential side effects and
> >interactions with any prescription fill, they can't seem to do the same
> >for conditions and surgeries or at least not consistently. With the
> >change to EMRs, perhaps this bit of automation will follow like it has
> >for prescriptions.
>
> There's a danger in roaming the net for medical reasons.

I said research, not roam. There are credible sites linked to accredited
institutions (universities, hospitals) and there are kook sites linked
only to other kook sites (like most autism or vaccine sites), and they
are pretty easy to tell apart.

I'd consider anyone willing to let someone cut them open and mess with
their innards without doing some independent research and potentially
getting independent opinions a bit of a kook and *far* too trusting for
their own good.

What most people don't realize is that a lot of mental illnesses are
pathological. That is there is something askew with body chemistry or
wiring to the brain.Sometimes drugs can help, but sometimes they don't
and people on these drugs need to be reevaluated frequently as the drugs
can stop working or change their effect.

A woman of my acquaintance who suffered from bi-polar disorder, recently
hung herself from a tree in their backyard. Her mother, who lives next
door, found her. Of course the family is devastated, and the danger of
a suicide is that the remaining loved ones often blame themselves for
the death. Suicide is a terrible affliction on those who remain.

I battled depression for many years. None of the drugs helped and the
side effects just made things worse. Then I had a total hysterectomy
where it was discovered that my ovaries were very cystic. Evidently,
they were producing messed up hormones and that was causing my
depression and severe mood-swings.

Once I completed the menopause process, any depression I did have was
treatable with modifications to my behavior. Things like forcing myself
to get out of bed in the morning, brushing my teeth, taking a shower and
getting dressed, did help dissipate the depression.

My depression is by no means cured, but I have learned to deal with it
and keep my head above water. If I didn't have that skill, I'd be a
total mess right now.



--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 2014-12-02 12:50 PM, wrote:

>> This is why you have to research all conditions and surgeries for
>> yourself. Despite the face that they can manage to automatically provide
>> an info sheet with details on medications, potential side effects and
>> interactions with any prescription fill, they can't seem to do the same
>> for conditions and surgeries or at least not consistently. With the
>> change to EMRs, perhaps this bit of automation will follow like it has
>> for prescriptions.
>
> There's a danger in roaming the net for medical reasons.
>



That's for sure. Just look at the internet advice for cardiac diets and
the risks and benefits of eating fats, coconut etc. They also show some
of the procedures. I should thank my lucky stars that my bypass was an
emergency operation when the angioplasty went bad and I was happily
sedated as I was being well out to be prepped and then into the OR. If
I have been told in advance that I would be going in for bypass surgery
you can bet that I would have done some online research and seen the
videos of the surgery. That would have scared the daylights out of me.

On 12/2/2014 12:50 PM, wrote:

>
> There's a danger in roaming the net for medical reasons.
>


I had some abdominal pain a couple of weeks ago. After researching I
came to the conclusion that it was an ovary. The pain went away and a
few days later, I passed a couple of kidney stones. Ouch!

On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 11:42:46 -0400, wrote:

> They don't know why that happens but it sure does. A friend who was
> always the eternally cheerful, jolly type, fell into a mega depression
> after open heart surgery. When his wife mentioned to the doctor none
> of could believe depression would hit him, the doc said, common after
> heart surgery.

I think it is very common! My ex-SIL's husband had something done
with his heart, I think it may been restarted to correct a heart
arrhythmia. He stopped eating and almost died before they were able
to bring him out of it. Not sure what all they did, but I think
medication for depression was one factor.

--

Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

sf > wrote:
> The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
> as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/

The DSMV invented hundreds of new mental disorders, including being a picky
eater and mistrust of your government.

Mental illness exists but is massively over-diagnosed even now, and when
the DSMV becomes the new standard for diagnosis you can bet the number of
mentally ill people will about triple overnight.

I suspect most diagnoses of depression, bipolar, anxiety, and so on are
really just behavior problems and not strictly mental disorders. People
just never were taught how to properly behave - good behavior was not
rewarded and poor behavior was not discouraged effectively.

But this is not a popular view because it makes people responsible for
their own actions, and people would rather blame anything but themselves
for their own behavior. I believe in real life, adult style, with
consequences.

On 12/2/2014 12:34 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> sf > wrote:
>> The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
>> as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/
>
> The DSMV invented hundreds of new mental disorders, including being a picky
> eater and mistrust of your government.

If these are mental disorders, I'm definitely certifiable! :-)


--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

Oregonian Haruspex > wrote in

ternal-september.org:

>> The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies
>> to the USA as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/
>
> The DSMV invented hundreds of new mental disorders, including
> being a picky eater and mistrust of your government.
>
> Mental illness exists but is massively over-diagnosed even
> now, and when the DSMV becomes the new standard for diagnosis
> you can bet the number of mentally ill people will about
> triple overnight.
>
> I suspect most diagnoses of depression, bipolar, anxiety, and
> so on are really just behavior problems and not strictly
> mental disorders. People just never were taught how to
> properly behave - good behavior was not rewarded and poor
> behavior was not discouraged effectively.
>
> But this is not a popular view because it makes people
> responsible for their own actions, and people would rather
> blame anything but themselves for their own behavior. I
> believe in real life, adult style, with consequences.

Bla bla de bla bla. More self-serving nonsense. You are
obviously not someone who has had to cope with a family member
with mental illness / be compassionate towards someone with
mental illness.

The video is done by the crew and actors of the series Republic
of Doyle and it talks about an issue in Canada (regarding use of
public funds) not an issue in the Untied States of Americium.

You and your gynormous ego are out of here.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

Michel Boucher > wrote:
> Bla bla de bla bla. More self-serving nonsense. You are
> obviously not someone who has had to cope with a family member
> with mental illness / be compassionate towards someone with
> mental illness.

On the contrary. My sister has been diagnosed with several forms of mental
illness, including BPD, bipolar, and chronic depression and has been put on
every pill known to man, as well as getting shock treatments, by these
ham-fisted mental health "professionals." My great aunt had an involuntary
lobotomy at the behest of her employer in the late 30s, performed by none
other than Dr. Lobotomy himself. Turns out she had been having an affair
with her boss. She was institutionalized for life.

> > The video is done by the crew and actors of the series Republic
> of Doyle and it talks about an issue in Canada (regarding use of
> public funds) not an issue in the Untied States of Americium.
>
> You and your gynormous ego are out of here.

I have more experience with witnessing the damage the mental health
profession does than most.

One thing I have been keeping tabs on is the mass shooters in the USA.
Turns out almost all have been on some brain drug, and under the care of
both psychologists and psychiatrists. These assholes do much more harm
than good.

On 2014-12-02 6:01 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
> Michel Boucher > wrote:
>> Bla bla de bla bla. More self-serving nonsense. You are
>> obviously not someone who has had to cope with a family member
>> with mental illness / be compassionate towards someone with
>> mental illness.
>
> On the contrary. My sister has been diagnosed with several forms of mental
> illness, including BPD, bipolar, and chronic depression and has been put on
> every pill known to man, as well as getting shock treatments, by these
> ham-fisted mental health "professionals."

That is quite typical of mental health issues. My brother went through
all sorts of treatments and medication. My sister in law said that she
thought he had had some sort of stroke, but she was just a psychiatric
nurse, not a doctor. Years later, an MRI showed indications of him
having had one or more mini strokes. A cousin, who was always a little
strange, was eventually diagnosed as being bipolar.

>
>>> The video is done by the crew and actors of the series Republic
>> of Doyle and it talks about an issue in Canada (regarding use of
>> public funds) not an issue in the Untied States of Americium.
>>
>> You and your gynormous ego are out of here.
>
> I have more experience with witnessing the damage the mental health
> profession does than most.


It was interesting that the video revealed the large number of people
who suffer from depression. These days, having members of our military
serving overseas in peace keeping and combat missions, we are having to
deal with our soldiers suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
That is a condition that used to be applied to soldiers who had been
"shell shocked" after being exposed to the concussive force of
explosions. Now they are applying it to any veteran who had a bad day
while on duty. In one case, a soldier is attributing is PTSD to having
seen other soldiers go out on combat missions and come back wounded.. or
dead. A female mountie is suffering PTSD as a result of being sexually
harrassed by a number of her superiors and co-workers. When some
soldiers and vets committed suicide the military tried to deflect
criticism of its neglect of vets by pointing out that their rate of
suicide was no higher than the national average.


> One thing I have been keeping tabs on is the mass shooters in the USA.
> Turns out almost all have been on some brain drug, and under the care of
> both psychologists and psychiatrists. These assholes do much more harm
> than good.

Not sure about that. I know of people who have had problems effectively
dealt with.

"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message
...
> Michel Boucher > wrote:
>> Bla bla de bla bla. More self-serving nonsense. You are
>> obviously not someone who has had to cope with a family member
>> with mental illness / be compassionate towards someone with
>> mental illness.
>
> On the contrary. My sister has been diagnosed with several forms of
> mental
> illness, including BPD, bipolar, and chronic depression and has been put
> on
> every pill known to man, as well as getting shock treatments, by these
> ham-fisted mental health "professionals." My great aunt had an
> involuntary
> lobotomy at the behest of her employer in the late 30s, performed by none
> other than Dr. Lobotomy himself. Turns out she had been having an affair
> with her boss. She was institutionalized for life.
>
>> > The video is done by the crew and actors of the series Republic
>> of Doyle and it talks about an issue in Canada (regarding use of
>> public funds) not an issue in the Untied States of Americium.
>>
>> You and your gynormous ego are out of here.
>
> I have more experience with witnessing the damage the mental health
> profession does than most.
>
> One thing I have been keeping tabs on is the mass shooters in the USA.
> Turns out almost all have been on some brain drug, and under the care of
> both psychologists and psychiatrists. These assholes do much more harm
> than good.

One person I know had shock treatments. She lost vast portions of her
memory. Another person I know was recently given too high of a dose of
lithium. He's now in a nursing home and he's about my age. It caused him to
have a seizure and essentially a stroke.

"Oregonian Haruspex" > wrote in message
...
> sf > wrote:
>> The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
>> as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/
>
> The DSMV invented hundreds of new mental disorders, including being a
> picky
> eater and mistrust of your government.
>
> Mental illness exists but is massively over-diagnosed even now, and when
> the DSMV becomes the new standard for diagnosis you can bet the number of
> mentally ill people will about triple overnight.
>
> I suspect most diagnoses of depression, bipolar, anxiety, and so on are
> really just behavior problems and not strictly mental disorders. People
> just never were taught how to properly behave - good behavior was not
> rewarded and poor behavior was not discouraged effectively.
>
> But this is not a popular view because it makes people responsible for
> their own actions, and people would rather blame anything but themselves
> for their own behavior. I believe in real life, adult style, with
> consequences.

Mental illness can be hard to diagnose because other things can cause the
same symptoms. I once had a Dr. tell me that I was having panic attacks. I
didn't believe him at all. I knew a person who had them and this is not
what I had. Turned out that very Dr. had me on a high dose of a thyroid
medicine that I didn't need and I was having symptoms of hyperthyroid.

Also, food intolerances can cause problems that present as mental illness.

On 12/1/2014 1:16 PM, sf wrote:
>
> The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
> as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/
>

I like to look at the bright side of life but in this case, everything
is not going to be alright.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 15:16:58 -0800, sf > wrote:

>
>The facts are Canadian, but the spirit of the video applies to the USA
>as well. http://www.thisvideo.ca/

Um YEAH!!!

John Kuthe...

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