On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:44:00 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:23:39 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
> >On 12/3/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2014-12-03 8:50 AM, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
> >>>> more memory than the big old Commodore had
> >>>
> >>> I look at my Moto X smartphone and compare it's 32GB to my old Vic20's
> >>> 16KB
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> My first computer was a COCO II (or was it III?) by Radio Crap. It was
> >> 128K memory. It was a good place to start because everything was up from
> >> there. It was about 1990 that I got an XT. IIRC, the whole system was
> >> about $2400 at the time. I was the envy of the local computer geeks with
> >> a 600 baud modem and a huge 20meg hard drive. A huge part of the cost
> >> was the software, a couple hundred bucks each for DOS and for Word Perfect.
> >
> >I am so missing Word Perfect. I have to deal with this cockamamie
> >Microsoft Word because of my "job" editing manuscripts.
>
> I don't use Word for that, have you tried Publisher, it's included in
> the full MS Office Suite.
> >
> >Why can't Microsoft put a "reveal codes" feature in their program. How
> >does one build a macro in MS Word?

I've been using Publisher for almost 20 years. Before that, I would use pasteup sheets, clip art books, and rubber cement. If I needed artwork resized, it would have to be photographed and contact printed. Those were the bad old days!

On 03/12/2014 9:20 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/3/2014 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 02/12/2014 4:39 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> I *know* differently
>>>>
>>> As do the rest of us!!!!!!!
>>
>> I guess it comes down to different experiences.
>>
>>
> When Graham believes he is right, there are no other opinions.
>
> I accept that.
>
Isn't that the case with everyone?
Actually, Janet, I was agreeing with you when I wrote that!
Graham

On 03/12/2014 3:40 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 20:11:00 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
..
>
> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
> more memory than the big old Commodore had
>
In the early 70s, the company I worked for had what was then a large
computer for analysing geophysical data. When a group of us new hires
were shown it, we all oohed and ahhhed when shown the hard drive. It was
a ~16" diameter metal disc with 128k of memory. A couple of years later,
the economic geologist bought a TI hand held programmable calculator
that was more powerful.
Graham

graham > wrote in
:

> In the early 70s, the company I worked for had what was then a
> large computer for analysing geophysical data. When a group of
> us new hires were shown it, we all oohed and ahhhed when shown
> the hard drive. It was a ~16" diameter metal disc with 128k of
> memory. A couple of years later, the economic geologist bought
> a TI hand held programmable calculator that was more powerful.

I had one of those. It did some awfully sophisticated stuff. I
eventually bought the TI99-4A that had the most advanced graphics
at the time on a home console. Of course you needed a TV to see
anything.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

"Pico Rico" > wrote in
:

>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2014-12-02 5:47 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>>> Many years ago, a lady at work, said, that her husband did not
>>>> allow her to use the computer, because he did not want her on
>>>> the internet, because it could be too confusing. Everyone was
>>>> speechless. She could raise their 4 children, but she was not
>>>> allowed to do what my 10 year old did every day; he did have
>>>> supervision, though.
>>>>
>>>> Becca
>>>
>>> I got my 79yo mother a computer and fast Internet connection but
>>> she is too lazy to learn how to use it so I don't have to worry
>>> about her getting confused on the 'net. Probably better since
>>> I'd end up having to constantly flush and rebuild the computer
>>> to rid it of malware.
>>>
>>
>>
>> My father was a pretty handy guy. He could do woodworking,
>> welding, wiring, plumping, masonry, electronics and automotive
>> repairs. One of the worst mistakes I ever made was when I talked
>> him into getting a computer and printer when his electric
>> typewriter died. Every time he had to compose a letter I had to
>> drive 15 miles to help him out in person.
>>
>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find
>> them pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me
>> craze with her inability to deal with the computer. For
>> instance... yesterday she had a document that she could not
>> figure out how to print. I told her to try clicking on things.
>> I thought that sounded like a good place to start. After 5
>> minutes of her complaining I came out took control of the
>> complicated two button mouse.Nothing happened in a left click so
>> I tried a left click. A menu appeared with an option to print.
>> It took me less than 5 seconds to figure out how to do something
>> that she could not figure out at all.
>>
>
> you have the mind of a 12 year old!

But hopefully the palate of an adult. 12 year old choose such gross
food!

--
Jax

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:23:48 AM UTC-7, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/3/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2014-12-03 8:50 AM, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> >>> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
> >>> more memory than the big old Commodore had
> >>
> >> I look at my Moto X smartphone and compare it's 32GB to my old Vic20's
> >> 16KB
> >>
> >
> >
> > My first computer was a COCO II (or was it III?) by Radio Crap. It was
> > 128K memory. It was a good place to start because everything was up from
> > there. It was about 1990 that I got an XT. IIRC, the whole system was
> > about $2400 at the time. I was the envy of the local computer geeks with
> > a 600 baud modem and a huge 20meg hard drive. A huge part of the cost
> > was the software, a couple hundred bucks each for DOS and for Word Perfect.
>
> I am so missing Word Perfect. I have to deal with this cockamamie
> Microsoft Word because of my "job" editing manuscripts.
>
> Why can't Microsoft put a "reveal codes" feature in their program. How
> does one build a macro in MS Word?
>
> --
> From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

Corel`s WordPerfect is still available...I have had a copy for years but don`t have the latest one. Far superior to Word and always was. My version 12 is old but it still is great and I can read Word files on it as well.

LibreOffice Writer or OpenOffice Writer get used most often as they are quite versatile when reading documents sent to me from my friends and relatives.

=====

On 12/3/2014 12:36 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2014-12-03 11:23 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-12-03 8:50 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
>>>>>> more memory than the big old Commodore had
>>>>>
>>>>> I look at my Moto X smartphone and compare it's 32GB to my old Vic20's
>>>>> 16KB
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My first computer was a COCO II (or was it III?) by Radio Crap. It was
>>>> 128K memory. It was a good place to start because everything was up from
>>>> there. It was about 1990 that I got an XT. IIRC, the whole system was
>>>> about $2400 at the time. I was the envy of the local computer geeks with
>>>> a 600 baud modem and a huge 20meg hard drive. A huge part of the cost
>>>> was the software, a couple hundred bucks each for DOS and for Word
>>>> Perfect.
>>>
>>> I am so missing Word Perfect. I have to deal with this cockamamie
>>> Microsoft Word because of my "job" editing manuscripts.
>>>
>>> Why can't Microsoft put a "reveal codes" feature in their program. How
>>> does one build a macro in MS Word?
>>>
>>
>> You might understand that I have no qualms about using a bootleg copy of
>> Office for the little bit of word processing that I do. I paid for
>> program page that included a word processor that worked on my XT and I
>> later upgraded to Word Perfect. It was pretty expensive software. They
>> keep coming up with new computer systems but no upgrades to the software
>> to work with newer systems. Instead, they come out with a whole new
>> version and you have to buy them. My new computer came with a demo
>> version of Office and they want $99 per year for me to use it. I have
>> already paid them hundreds of dollars to by the right to use their
>> product.
>>
>> It ticks me off that people send me documents processed on programs I
>> don't have. At least Office used to have a free home version. I guess
>> the idea was that if people had it on home computers they would be
>> likely to by it for their businesses. I guess that worked well enough
>> that they had us by the short and curlies.
>
> There are free alternatives to the M$ Office products such as Open
> Office and Libre Office. Also inexpensive Power PDF as an alternative to
> Adobe's overpriced garbage.
>

We know that. What we are missing are some of the capabilities of Word
Perfect that none of the other programs have.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/3/2014 12:43 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:23:39 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/3/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-03 8:50 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
>>>>> more memory than the big old Commodore had
>>>>
>>>> I look at my Moto X smartphone and compare it's 32GB to my old Vic20's
>>>> 16KB
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My first computer was a COCO II (or was it III?) by Radio Crap. It was
>>> 128K memory. It was a good place to start because everything was up from
>>> there. It was about 1990 that I got an XT. IIRC, the whole system was
>>> about $2400 at the time. I was the envy of the local computer geeks with
>>> a 600 baud modem and a huge 20meg hard drive. A huge part of the cost
>>> was the software, a couple hundred bucks each for DOS and for Word Perfect.
>>
>> I am so missing Word Perfect. I have to deal with this cockamamie
>> Microsoft Word because of my "job" editing manuscripts.
>
> I don't use Word for that, have you tried Publisher, it's included in
> the full MS Office Suite.
>>
>> Why can't Microsoft put a "reveal codes" feature in their program. How
>> does one build a macro in MS Word?

I have Publisher, but I have to use the software that the company I work
for wants me to use; Microsoft Office. If you've done any editing on a
computer, you'll know that there are certain markup fields, etc. that
the writer and the boss is expecting.

Once the writer has reviewed the edited manuscript, made any changes and
accepted it, it has to be formatted for press and e-book. We can't have
everyone using different software.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/3/2014 1:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:44:00 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:23:39 -0600, Janet Wilder >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/3/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2014-12-03 8:50 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
>>>>>> more memory than the big old Commodore had
>>>>>
>>>>> I look at my Moto X smartphone and compare it's 32GB to my old Vic20's
>>>>> 16KB
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My first computer was a COCO II (or was it III?) by Radio Crap. It was
>>>> 128K memory. It was a good place to start because everything was up from
>>>> there. It was about 1990 that I got an XT. IIRC, the whole system was
>>>> about $2400 at the time. I was the envy of the local computer geeks with
>>>> a 600 baud modem and a huge 20meg hard drive. A huge part of the cost
>>>> was the software, a couple hundred bucks each for DOS and for Word Perfect.
>>>
>>> I am so missing Word Perfect. I have to deal with this cockamamie
>>> Microsoft Word because of my "job" editing manuscripts.
>>
>> I don't use Word for that, have you tried Publisher, it's included in
>> the full MS Office Suite.
>>>
>>> Why can't Microsoft put a "reveal codes" feature in their program. How
>>> does one build a macro in MS Word?
>
> I've been using Publisher for almost 20 years. Before that, I would use pasteup sheets, clip art books, and rubber cement. If I needed artwork resized, it would have to be photographed and contact printed. Those were the bad old days!
>
When I published my newsletter, "The Road Princess Gazette" between 1995
and 2006, I had several formats right on Word Perfect that I could use.
I could insert *jpg files for photos via copy and paste and it would
even generate a table of contents. I didn't need any additional
programs like Publisher. Word Perfect still has those macros.

I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's ridiculous to
pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/3/2014 1:49 PM, graham wrote:
> On 03/12/2014 9:20 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 12/3/2014 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 02/12/2014 4:39 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> I *know* differently
>>>>>
>>>> As do the rest of us!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> I guess it comes down to different experiences.
>>>
>>>
>> When Graham believes he is right, there are no other opinions.
>>
>> I accept that.
>>
> Isn't that the case with everyone?
> Actually, Janet, I was agreeing with you when I wrote that!
> Graham

Then I owe you an apology as I did not comprehend that from your post.
I'm sorry.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/3/2014 3:02 PM, Roy wrote:

> Corel`s WordPerfect is still available...I have had a copy for years but don`t have the latest one. Far superior to Word and always was. My version 12 is old but it still is great and I can read Word files on it as well.
>
> LibreOffice Writer or OpenOffice Writer get used most often as they are quite versatile when reading documents sent to me from my friends and relatives.
>
> =====
>


I know I can buy the latest Word Perfect but it's pricey and I can't see
using it when I have to translate everything I sent out into Word format
for the majority of the world who can't figure out Word Perfect. The
version I have is 11 and I don't think it will run well on a Windows 7
Pro operating system. Windows thing for back compatible doesn't work
that well.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 06:43:27 -0400, wrote:

> On Tue, 02 Dec 2014 21:27:39 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2014-12-02 18:45, wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
> >>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
> >>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
> >>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
> >>> try clicking on things. I thought that sounded like a good place to
> >>> start. After 5 minutes of her complaining I came out took control of the
> >>> complicated two button mouse.Nothing happened in a left click so I tried
> >>> a left click. A menu appeared with an option to print. It took me less
> >>> than 5 seconds to figure out how to do something that she could not
> >>> figure out at all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I hope she thumped you >
> >
> >
> >Oh? I told her to try clicking the mouse... left and right buttons. Move
> >it around and click it. I ended up having to take over the mouse...
> >right clicked and Bingo... the menu popped up.
> >
> >
> Just something in the way you expressed your original sentiment was a
> bit unbearable, I have to side with your wife, sisters and all

I agree with you, Lucretia. It takes a few tries and some sticky
notes as reminders to figure these things out. Once they are second
nature, it's hard to understand how everyone can't figure things out -
but his wife is an ex-educator and gets that. He's from law
enforcement, so his black & white attitude reflects his background.

I'm fed up with the way he refers to his wife as megaton and his
bi-polar SIL as a bitch-in-law and then denies that he's judgmental.

--

Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:21:35 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

>On 12/3/2014 12:36 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2014-12-03 11:23 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> On 12/3/2014 8:17 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-12-03 8:50 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I looked at a usb drive lying on the desk one day and realised it had
>>>>>>> more memory than the big old Commodore had
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look at my Moto X smartphone and compare it's 32GB to my old Vic20's
>>>>>> 16KB
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My first computer was a COCO II (or was it III?) by Radio Crap. It was
>>>>> 128K memory. It was a good place to start because everything was up from
>>>>> there. It was about 1990 that I got an XT. IIRC, the whole system was
>>>>> about $2400 at the time. I was the envy of the local computer geeks with
>>>>> a 600 baud modem and a huge 20meg hard drive. A huge part of the cost
>>>>> was the software, a couple hundred bucks each for DOS and for Word
>>>>> Perfect.
>>>>
>>>> I am so missing Word Perfect. I have to deal with this cockamamie
>>>> Microsoft Word because of my "job" editing manuscripts.
>>>>
>>>> Why can't Microsoft put a "reveal codes" feature in their program. How
>>>> does one build a macro in MS Word?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You might understand that I have no qualms about using a bootleg copy of
>>> Office for the little bit of word processing that I do. I paid for
>>> program page that included a word processor that worked on my XT and I
>>> later upgraded to Word Perfect. It was pretty expensive software. They
>>> keep coming up with new computer systems but no upgrades to the software
>>> to work with newer systems. Instead, they come out with a whole new
>>> version and you have to buy them. My new computer came with a demo
>>> version of Office and they want $99 per year for me to use it. I have
>>> already paid them hundreds of dollars to by the right to use their
>>> product.
>>>
>>> It ticks me off that people send me documents processed on programs I
>>> don't have. At least Office used to have a free home version. I guess
>>> the idea was that if people had it on home computers they would be
>>> likely to by it for their businesses. I guess that worked well enough
>>> that they had us by the short and curlies.
>>
>> There are free alternatives to the M$ Office products such as Open
>> Office and Libre Office. Also inexpensive Power PDF as an alternative to
>> Adobe's overpriced garbage.
>>
>
>We know that. What we are missing are some of the capabilities of Word
>Perfect that none of the other programs have.


I have a copy of WP X5 and it can open txt, doc, and rtf files just
fine. Those are the only ones I have on my system right now. I
bought my copy on the net and I don't remember exactly where I found
it at a reasonable price. Probably Ebay. Not an auction.

One thing I like is that if I have forgotten how to do something
(happens often) I can look it up in my WP Office 2000 user guide.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:15:20 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> Frankly, I see little difference between a Chromebook for $500 and a
> 7" Android tablet for under $200, some even as low as under $100 on sale.

As far as I can tell, it's the internal memory that drives their
prices. I'd like to know if I could hook up an external HD to either
one and if it's possible to do things like use my Forte Agent on a
Chromebook or Nexus 7 that way.

--

Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

On 12/3/2014 11:20 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/3/2014 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 02/12/2014 4:39 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> I *know* differently
>>>>
>>> As do the rest of us!!!!!!!
>>
>> I guess it comes down to different experiences.
>>
>>
> When Graham believes he is right, there are no other opinions.
>
> I accept that.
>
Horrible snipping going on. Graham was agreeing with you. It was the
Oregonian idiot pushing the oddball arguments.

Jill

On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:23:39 -0600, Janet Wilder >
wrote:

> How does one build a macro in MS Word?

https://support.office.com/en-in/art...a-dfb98b7c3c9c

Youtube tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh0AhQUqE1I

--

Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

On 03/12/2014 3:30 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/3/2014 1:49 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 03/12/2014 9:20 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2014 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 02/12/2014 4:39 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>>> I *know* differently
>>>>>>
>>>>> As do the rest of us!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I guess it comes down to different experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> When Graham believes he is right, there are no other opinions.
>>>
>>> I accept that.
>>>
>> Isn't that the case with everyone?
>> Actually, Janet, I was agreeing with you when I wrote that!
>> Graham
>
> Then I owe you an apology as I did not comprehend that from your post.
> I'm sorry.
>
No worries!
Graham

On 2014-12-03 5:51 PM, sf wrote:

>> Just something in the way you expressed your original sentiment was a
>> bit unbearable, I have to side with your wife, sisters and all
>
> I agree with you, Lucretia. It takes a few tries and some sticky
> notes as reminders to figure these things out.

Yep. All it takes is a few tries. I believe that was my point, nor
matter how obtuse you choose to be about that.



> but his wife is an ex-educator and gets that. He's from law
> enforcement, so his black & white attitude reflects his background.

LOL. Thanks for reinforcing my suggestion about the irony of the pseudo
intellectual that everyone who works in law enforcement is automatically
a bigot.


> I'm fed up with the way he refers to his wife as megaton

She likes our nickname for her. Her sister and several our our nephews
have taken to using it in an affectionate manner. Why would you object
to it?


> and his bi-polar SIL as a bitch-in-law and then denies that he's judgmental.


You have confused yourself there. You were the one who said that your ex
daughter in law was a bitch and that you thought she was an undiagnosed
bipolar.

On 12/2/2014 5:47 PM, Pete C. wrote:
> I got my 79yo mother a computer and fast Internet connection but she is
> too lazy to learn how to use it so I don't have to worry about her
> getting confused on the 'net. Probably better since I'd end up having to
> constantly flush and rebuild the computer to rid it of malware.

Did she *ask* you to get her a computer? Or did you just think it would
be cool? There are plenty of people in her age bracket who quickly
become saavy with things like email and web surfing and love it. There
are just as many who don't give a shit. It has nothing to do with being
lazy.

Jill

On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
> try clicking on things.

(snip)

Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.

I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
pretty damn well in most applications.

Jill

On 2014-12-03 6:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
>> try clicking on things.
>
> (snip)
>
> Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.
>
> I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
> pretty damn well in most applications.
>

Okay.... but if you were looking at a document in an application you had
been using for over a year, and you wanted to print something you were
reading on the monitor, what would you do?

Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
not involved.

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:20:36 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> After my heart surgery I was warned to expect episodes of depression and
> told to seek help if they persisted. As predicted, I did experience
> them, and I am lucky that they were short lived. I would be watching
> something on television and there were be a scene that would have a
> powerful impact on me, probably much more than it should have and it
> would make me profoundly sad. It was like a dark cloud sweeping over me.
> Fortunately, it would last only a very short time, less than a minute
> and they stopped happening after a couple weeks. I can't imagine who
> people can endure extended periods of that.

I'd be depressed too if my cardiologist told me that I had to give up
eating chicken wings, and I were dumb enough to believe him.

--Bryan

On 2014-12-03 6:49 PM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:

>
> I'd be depressed too if my cardiologist told me that I had to give up
> eating chicken wings, and I were dumb enough to believe him.
>
Wow. It must suck to be your.

On 12/3/2014 5:06 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:15:20 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> Frankly, I see little difference between a Chromebook for $500 and a
>> 7" Android tablet for under $200, some even as low as under $100 on sale.
>
> As far as I can tell, it's the internal memory that drives their
> prices. I'd like to know if I could hook up an external HD to either
> one and if it's possible to do things like use my Forte Agent on a
> Chromebook or Nexus 7 that way.
>

I don't think those gizmos have USB ports. There are apps for
newsgroups. I use Groundhog, but be warned, if you don't access it for
a while, you will have to delete it and reinstall it as it will start
downloading really old posts.

--
From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/3/2014 5:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/3/2014 11:20 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>> On 12/3/2014 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 02/12/2014 4:39 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>> I *know* differently
>>>>>
>>>> As do the rest of us!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> I guess it comes down to different experiences.
>>>
>>>
>> When Graham believes he is right, there are no other opinions.
>>
>> I accept that.
>>
> Horrible snipping going on. Graham was agreeing with you. It was the
> Oregonian idiot pushing the oddball arguments.
>
> Jill

I did my mea culpas to Graham

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On 12/3/2014 5:19 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:23:39 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> How does one build a macro in MS Word?
>
> https://support.office.com/en-in/art...a-dfb98b7c3c9c
>
> Youtube tutorial
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh0AhQUqE1I
>
Thanks. I bookmarked both. Hopefully, I can figure them out.

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From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 12/3/2014 5:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-03 6:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
>>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
>>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
>>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
>>> try clicking on things.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.
>>
>> I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
>> pretty damn well in most applications.
>>
>
> Okay.... but if you were looking at a document in an application you had
> been using for over a year, and you wanted to print something you were
> reading on the monitor, what would you do?
>
> Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
> right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
> not involved.
>

I would use Control P. I also use Firefox as my browser and there is a
thing with three lines in the upper right-hand corner that, if you click
on it, offers many tasks including printing.

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From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

On 2014-12-03 7:17 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:

>> Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
>> right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
>> not involved.
>>
>
> I would use Control P. I also use Firefox as my browser and there is a
> thing with three lines in the upper right-hand corner that, if you click
> on it, offers many tasks including printing.
>

That's the difference between them and us Janet. You and I would be
likely to try something that had worked for us in the past, without
needing instructions.

On 12/3/2014 7:13 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 12/3/2014 5:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/3/2014 11:20 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> On 12/3/2014 4:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 02/12/2014 4:39 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>>>>> I *know* differently
>>>>>>
>>>>> As do the rest of us!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I guess it comes down to different experiences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> When Graham believes he is right, there are no other opinions.
>>>
>>> I accept that.
>>>
>> Horrible snipping going on. Graham was agreeing with you. It was the
>> Oregonian idiot pushing the oddball arguments.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I did my mea culpas to Graham
>
Yep, I saw that. That's the problem when people start snipping
things... attributions get out of kilter. But if we don't snip then
some people complain about that. It's a lose-lose situation.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2014-12-03 5:51 PM, sf wrote:
> > but his wife is an ex-educator and gets that. He's from law
> > enforcement, so his black & white attitude reflects his background.
>
> LOL. Thanks for reinforcing my suggestion about the irony of the pseudo
> intellectual that everyone who works in law enforcement is automatically
> a bigot.

Would you expect any different from someone who calls foreign nationals
illegally in the US "Americans"? The warped ideas of the loony left are
truly astounding.

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> On 12/3/2014 5:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2014-12-03 6:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
> >>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
> >>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
> >>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
> >>> try clicking on things.
> >>
> >> (snip)
> >>
> >> Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.
> >>
> >> I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
> >> pretty damn well in most applications.
> >>
> >
> > Okay.... but if you were looking at a document in an application you had
> > been using for over a year, and you wanted to print something you were
> > reading on the monitor, what would you do?
> >
> > Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
> > right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
> > not involved.
> >
>
> I would use Control P. I also use Firefox as my browser and there is a
> thing with three lines in the upper right-hand corner that, if you click
> on it, offers many tasks including printing.
>
> --
> From somewhere very deep in the heart of Texas

Control P may have been used as a print shortcut in your beloved
Wordperfect, but it has very different long standing definitions in the
computing world, so does M$'s control C.

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Ophelia" > wrote in
> :
>
>> "S Viemeister" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/3/2014 7:57 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "The Cook" > wrote in message
>>>>> We had a Radio Shack model 1 with 4K of memory and a tape
>>>>> recorder.
>>>>
>>>> RADIO SHACK!!!! That is the one. I said Tandy! My memory
>>>> was playing tricks) Mind, it was a very long time ago
>>>>
>>> Tandy/Radio Shack.
>>>
>>> Same company.
>>> Himself worked for them, many years ago.
>>
>> Ahhhh that is what got me discombobulated then, thanks <g>
>
> Well, strictly speaking Tandy was the company, started in leather
> goods early 1900's and branched out into other areas starting in
> the 60's. Tandy bought Radio Shack in 1962. It was
> manufacturing the Tandy home computer in 1977 at the same time as
> Commodore and Apple and selling them through their Radio Shack
> retail outlet.
>
> It's a complicated story which you can read here. The really
> nifty bit is that in the UK, Tandy Corporation Ltd. has acquired
> the rights to the Tandy brand back from Radio Shack.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandy_Corporation

I didn't know that! I do remember Tandy leather. Was always dreaming of
making their projects but never did.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 12/2/2014 5:47 PM, Pete C. wrote:
> > I got my 79yo mother a computer and fast Internet connection but she is
> > too lazy to learn how to use it so I don't have to worry about her
> > getting confused on the 'net. Probably better since I'd end up having to
> > constantly flush and rebuild the computer to rid it of malware.
>
> Did she *ask* you to get her a computer? Or did you just think it would
> be cool? There are plenty of people in her age bracket who quickly
> become saavy with things like email and web surfing and love it. There
> are just as many who don't give a shit. It has nothing to do with being
> lazy.
>
> Jill

She asked, which is why I'm annoyed that she doesn't use it after I
spend the money on it. It has everything to do with lazy and not putting
any effort into learning or trying anything.

On 12/3/2014 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-03 6:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
>>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
>>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
>>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
>>> try clicking on things.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.
>>
>> I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
>> pretty damn well in most applications.
>>
>
> Okay.... but if you were looking at a document in an application you had
> been using for over a year, and you wanted to print something you were
> reading on the monitor, what would you do?
>
Me? I'd just hit Ctrl P to bring up the default printer menu.

> Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
> right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
> not involved.
>
NASA isn't involved when it comes to simple alternate keystrokes. The
Control and Alt keys are there for a reason. Ctrl C = Copy. Ctrl V =
paste. Ctrl S = Save. Alt E for Edit. Alt F for File. Alt FO for
File Open. There are similar shortcuts for other operating systems. I
guess I learned before we were so mouse-dependent.

Jill

On 12/3/2014 7:36 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> On 12/3/2014 5:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-03 6:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
>>>>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
>>>>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
>>>>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
>>>>> try clicking on things.
>>>>
>>>> (snip)
>>>>
>>>> Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.
>>>>
>>>> I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
>>>> pretty damn well in most applications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Okay.... but if you were looking at a document in an application you had
>>> been using for over a year, and you wanted to print something you were
>>> reading on the monitor, what would you do?
>>>
>>> Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
>>> right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
>>> not involved.
>>>
>>
>> I would use Control P. I also use Firefox as my browser and there is a
>> thing with three lines in the upper right-hand corner that, if you click
>> on it, offers many tasks including printing.
>>
>
> Control P may have been used as a print shortcut in your beloved
> Wordperfect, but it has very different long standing definitions in the
> computing world, so does M$'s control C.
>
Sorry, Pete, Wordperfect has nothing to do with basic keyboard commands.
It's just pre mouse-era stuff. Ctrl C is for CAPTURE. (As in
capturing highlighted text to the clipboard.) Ctrl V pastes the saved
text. These shortcuts had nothing to do with any specific programs.

Jill

On 12/3/2014 7:36 PM, Pete C. wrote:

> Control P may have been used as a print shortcut in your beloved
> Wordperfect, but it has very different long standing definitions in the
> computing world, so does M$'s control C.
>
It works for me, and I haven't used Word Perfect in decades.

On 12/3/2014 1:06 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 10:15:20 -0600, Janet Wilder >
> wrote:
>
>> Frankly, I see little difference between a Chromebook for $500 and a
>> 7" Android tablet for under $200, some even as low as under $100 on sale.
>
> As far as I can tell, it's the internal memory that drives their
> prices. I'd like to know if I could hook up an external HD to either
> one and if it's possible to do things like use my Forte Agent on a
> Chromebook or Nexus 7 that way.
>

You're pretty much out of luck with Forte Agent or any Windows program
in the Chrome or Android OSes. On the Chromebook, I use Google Groups.

On 12/3/2014 12:29 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> When I published my newsletter, "The Road Princess Gazette" between 1995
> and 2006, I had several formats right on Word Perfect that I could use.
> I could insert *jpg files for photos via copy and paste and it would
> even generate a table of contents. I didn't need any additional
> programs like Publisher. Word Perfect still has those macros.
>
> I would love Word Perfect back for personal use, but it's ridiculous to
> pay that kind of money when I would have to convert everything I send
> out to other people into Word format because the world has gotten too
> stupid to comprehend Word Perfect.
>

These days, neither Word Perfect or Publisher will be very appealing to
most folks.

On 12/3/2014 1:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-03 6:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/2/2014 6:03 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Most of what I know about computers I picked up on my own. I find them
>>> pretty much self teaching. My wife sometimes drives me craze with her
>>> inability to deal with the computer. For instance... yesterday she had
>>> a document that she could not figure out how to print. I told her to
>>> try clicking on things.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> Clicking on things all willy nilly is also a good way to screw things up.
>>
>> I wish everyone knew the old standard keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl+P works
>> pretty damn well in most applications.
>>
>
> Okay.... but if you were looking at a document in an application you had
> been using for over a year, and you wanted to print something you were
> reading on the monitor, what would you do?
>
> Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
> right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
> not involved.
>

I would use Ctrl + PrtScn which would copy an image of the screen onto
the clipboard. Which key gets used the least? PrtScn or ScrLk? Beats me!

On 12/3/2014 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-03 7:17 PM, Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>> Me? I would try left and right mouse clicking. As it turned out....
>>> right click brought up a menu that included the print option. NASA was
>>> not involved.
>>>
>>
>> I would use Control P. I also use Firefox as my browser and there is a
>> thing with three lines in the upper right-hand corner that, if you click
>> on it, offers many tasks including printing.
>>
>
> That's the difference between them and us Janet. You and I would be
> likely to try something that had worked for us in the past, without
> needing instructions.
>

That sounds kind of sexy <VBG>

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