On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:46:44 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:46:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-10-22 4:19 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> It's inevitable. And I have no time for a nation based on religion
>>> taken to that level.
>>>
>>
>>Nor do I. It doesn't matter to me if people find some sort of comfort or
>>guidance from their religion, but I have people who get carried away
>>with their beliefs. I find it really offensive when people try to foist
>>their religion on me, or when they exude that self righteous sense of
>>moral superiority that they think their religion gives them.
>
>Understand. I still get the occasional god-botherers who will ignore
>the signs on my gate and try to peddle their crap. It's the arrogance
>that offends me the most, I think.
>
>Is the term 'god-botherers ' uniquely Australian, or is it also used
>elsewhere?

It's used in Australia, NZ and the UK.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:46:44 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:46:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2014-10-22 4:19 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's inevitable. And I have no time for a nation based on religion
>>>> taken to that level.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nor do I. It doesn't matter to me if people find some sort of comfort or
>>>guidance from their religion, but I have people who get carried away
>>>with their beliefs. I find it really offensive when people try to foist
>>>their religion on me, or when they exude that self righteous sense of
>>>moral superiority that they think their religion gives them.
>>
>>Understand. I still get the occasional god-botherers who will ignore
>>the signs on my gate and try to peddle their crap. It's the arrogance
>>that offends me the most, I think.
>>
>>Is the term 'god-botherers ' uniquely Australian, or is it also used
>>elsewhere?
>
> It's used in Australia, NZ and the UK.

It is.

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On 23/10/2014 2:46 AM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:46:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-10-22 4:19 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>>> It's inevitable. And I have no time for a nation based on religion
>>> taken to that level.
>>>
>>
>> Nor do I. It doesn't matter to me if people find some sort of comfort or
>> guidance from their religion, but I have people who get carried away
>> with their beliefs. I find it really offensive when people try to foist
>> their religion on me, or when they exude that self righteous sense of
>> moral superiority that they think their religion gives them.
>
> Understand. I still get the occasional god-botherers who will ignore
> the signs on my gate and try to peddle their crap. It's the arrogance
> that offends me the most, I think.
>
> Is the term 'god-botherers ' uniquely Australian, or is it also used
> elsewhere?
>

I just tell them that I'm not superstitious! That floors them for a
moment while they try and think of a comeback - usually a denial, for
which I'm ready.
Graham

On 2014-10-23 10:26 AM, graham wrote:

>
> I just tell them that I'm not superstitious! That floors them for a
> moment while they try and think of a comeback - usually a denial, for
> which I'm ready.
>

A friend of mine says he tells them he is a Positive Agnostic... I
don't know that they is a god or not, and I am positive that you don't
either.

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:38:40 AM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-10-23 10:26 AM, graham wrote:
>
> >
> > I just tell them that I'm not superstitious! That floors them for a
> > moment while they try and think of a comeback - usually a denial, for
> > which I'm ready.
> >
>
> A friend of mine says he tells them he is a Positive Agnostic... I
> don't know that they is a god or not, and I am positive that you don't
> either.

My suggestion is to keep a stack of your own tracts at the door, and
offer to let him learn about the One True Faith.

But one suggestion I once read. Just say in a loud voice, "The
pastor says, you come from the Devil!" If Catholic, brandish a
large crucifix at the porch step visitor as you say this.

On 2014-10-23 11:24 AM, wrote:

>> A friend of mine says he tells them he is a Positive Agnostic... I
>> don't know that they is a god or not, and I am positive that you don't
>> either.
>
> My suggestion is to keep a stack of your own tracts at the door, and
> offer to let him learn about the One True Faith.
>

That is what my wife used to do with the Jehovah's Witness. They had no
interest in her religion so they would beat a hasty retreat. I was a
little more blunt with them. When they showed up one Saturday they tried
to give me some literature and said that the older woman they had spoken
to a few days earlier said we might me interested. I said that was our
sitter and she is too polite to tell you to **** off, but I am not, so
**** off.

That didn't keep them away. I ended up sending them a letter ordering
them to stay away or they would be charged with trespassing. A number
of years later they called by telephone asking if that instruction still
applied. Bloody right it does.



> But one suggestion I once read. Just say in a loud voice, "The
> pastor says, you come from the Devil!" If Catholic, brandish a
> large crucifix at the porch step visitor as you say this.
>

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 08:29:07 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:46:44 +1100, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:46:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2014-10-22 4:19 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's inevitable. And I have no time for a nation based on religion
>>>> taken to that level.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Nor do I. It doesn't matter to me if people find some sort of comfort or
>>>guidance from their religion, but I have people who get carried away
>>>with their beliefs. I find it really offensive when people try to foist
>>>their religion on me, or when they exude that self righteous sense of
>>>moral superiority that they think their religion gives them.
>>
>>Understand. I still get the occasional god-botherers who will ignore
>>the signs on my gate and try to peddle their crap. It's the arrogance
>>that offends me the most, I think.
>>
>>Is the term 'god-botherers ' uniquely Australian, or is it also used
>>elsewhere?
>
>It's used in Australia, NZ and the UK.

Thanks Doris.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 10:09:26 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>"Jeßus" wrote:
>>
>
>> >Just charity leaches much like the united way criminals. It seems it's
>> >the trendy liberal thing to do to
>>
>> How is it 'liberal'? I guess you're one of the fools who thinks there
>> a real difference between liberals and republicans.
>
>From my view in the center as a fiscally conservative, socially liberal,
>pro gun, pro choice atheist, I have a clear picture of the two wings.
>
>The liberal left is by far the most likely to form charities to right
>whatever wrongs they perceive (real or imagined), and then enrich
>themselves with some of those charitable proceeds which stroking their
>egos thinking they are somehow saving the world.
>
>The religious right is far less likely to form a charity or profit from
>it, they by and large donate to their churches which have established
>charities that are by and large pretty efficiently run and not corrupt.
>The only real issue with those charities is the proselytizing, not any
>sort of embezzlement or personal enrichment (church charities, not
>churches themselves).
>
>As for differences between liberals and conservatives, they are indeed
>stark. While both have their false beliefs/feelings, the left seems to
>have lost all capacity for rational debate or critical thinking about
>their beliefs. When there is a difference of opinion on something
>tangible and measurable (not opinion like *** marriage or whatever), the
>right will present a very reasoned argument citing sources like bls.gov,
>doj.gov, etc. and the left will respond only with personal attacks,
>references to "faux news" and other nonsense, completely incapable of a
>reasoned and factually supported response.
>
>So yes, there is a very big difference between liberals and
>conservatives. There are no "feelings" or "faith" applicable to things
>like economics, only hard facts and statistics, and only the
>conservatives seem to be capable of evaluating those facts and
>statistics.

I liked your answer Pete, sorry I missed your considered reply until
now. Yes, I concede there are differences such as you describe, but
ultimately when it comes to fundamental things like the perpetual war
industry and the gradual erosion of the constitution, personal rights
and freedoms in general based on fear and the excuse of security,
well, they are very hard to differentiate from where I sit.

On Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:11:45 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/18/2014 10:57 PM, James Silverton wrote:
> > Today, I received a large envelope appealing for money from the Disabled
> > Veterans National Foundation. The envelope enclosed a note pad holder
> > with an attached rather large simple calculator and a ball pen.
> > The calculator was impressive to look at but rather basic in capabilities.
> >
> > I looked them up in Charity Watch where I see they received an F rating,
> > with 85% of the funds they received being spent on fund raising. What
> > are they trying to do?
> >
> Need you ask? They're trying to line their own pocketbooks. A
> negligible amount of anything you might donate goes to any of those
> Veterans. Charities that send out notepads, address labels, etc. are
> spending more money to line their own pockets than they are to help the
> people they allegedly claim to represent. Just say NO.
>
> If you want to donate to Veterans, contact a local source. There is
> probably a VA hospital in your area.
>
> Jill

Excellent answer, Jill.