On 8/6/2014 8:57 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:46:08 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/5/2014 1:03 PM, Janet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> I'm not sure how long it's been since the
>>>>>> last defrosting.
>>>>
>>>> Well, if you ever need a new freezer, be sure to get a frost-free one
>>>> that not only keeps the food better because it's so well insulated....
>>>> it never, ever needs defrosting and the contents will always be
>>>> recognisable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I chose not to buy one, because the energy consumption difference
>>> between the frost-free models and the manual defrost models were so
>>> significant. I'd've ended up paying a lot more every year for the
>>> convenience. I'm too much of a cheapskate to do that.
>>
>> You save even more money by not having a stand alone freezer.
>
> In Europe all fridges and freezers are sold with an energy
> efficiency rating and (tested) energy use. My frost-free fridge/freezer
> has the highest efficiency rating and its annual power use is 299
> Kilowat hours. Less than one Kw hour per day. (Considerably more
> efficient than its predecessor).
>

Yes, and when I compared the efficiency ratings between the manual
defrost model and the frost-free model, it became clear that the
convenience of not having to defrost every so often came at a
significant annual price. That was about ten years ago, I haven't
compared recent models, so I don't know if the difference is still so
significant. Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
unpack/clean/repack the freezer.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:



>
>Yes, and when I compared the efficiency ratings between the manual
>defrost model and the frost-free model, it became clear that the
>convenience of not having to defrost every so often came at a
>significant annual price. That was about ten years ago, I haven't
>compared recent models, so I don't know if the difference is still so
>significant.


What do you consider significant? $16?

I just checked to Whirlpool 20 cu ft. models and the manual defrost
was $802 to buy and used $55 in energy a year to run.

The frost free listed for $829 and used $71 in energy to run.
http://www.whirlpool.com/digitalasse...20Guide_EN.pdf

In twenty years the difference is $320.

My next one will be frost free.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
wrote:

> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.

Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
>
>> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
>> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
>> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
>> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
>> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
>
> Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?

Have you ever thought about reading all of the words? He said, "even when
gloved".

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:10:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
> >> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
> >> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
> >> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
> >> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
> >
> > Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?
>
> Have you ever thought about reading all of the words? He said, "even when
> gloved".

It was just a whine from him. If defrosting is such a problem, then
he wouldn't have a freezer he needs to defrost.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

On 8/7/2014 10:56 AM, sf wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 00:10:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
>>>> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
>>>> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
>>>> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
>>>> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
>>>
>>> Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?
>>
>> Have you ever thought about reading all of the words? He said, "even when
>> gloved".
>
> It was just a whine from him. If defrosting is such a problem, then
> he wouldn't have a freezer he needs to defrost.
>

Actually, it's an indicator of how cheap I am. I'm prepared to suffer
through the defrosting to save money. A previous poster showed more
current energy usage comparisons between a frost-free and a manual
defrost model. The savings in that case was so minor, I'd have opted
for the frost-free, too. It's good to see that they're becoming more
efficient as time goes by.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 14:24:12 -0500, Moe DeLoughan >
> wrote:
>
>> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
>> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
>> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
>> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
>> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.
>
> Have you ever thought about wearing gloves when you move frozen food?
>

my guess, from reading the post, is yes.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> Thing is, I *hate* defrosting the freezer (my hands are
> very sensitive to cold temperatures, so it is painful, even when
> gloved), yet I opted for it because of the annual cost savings. I just
> couldn't justify paying that price for not having to periodically
> unpack/clean/repack the freezer.

Modern frost free refrigeration is more fuel efficient than units
needing defrosting... as ice builds they become very INefficient.