No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
find no such pub. Anyone have any details?

nb

On 24 Jun 2014 14:26:15 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
>the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
>or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
>find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>
>nb
That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
he had found the secret for maintenance.
Janet US

On 2014-06-24, Janet Bostwick > wrote:

> That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
> beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
> he had found the secret for maintenance.

Yeah, that's the prob. Seems like I'm already doing what he
recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. Pretty much jes
stick to his "0x" foods. No chips, crackers, hot dogs,
processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
I could jes resist beer.

nb

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 8:40:36 AM UTC-7, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-06-24, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
>
>
>
> > That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
>
> > beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
>
> > he had found the secret for maintenance.
>
>
>
> Yeah, that's the prob. Seems like I'm already doing what he
>
> recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. Pretty much jes
>
> stick to his "0x" foods. No chips, crackers, hot dogs,
>
> processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
>
> I could jes resist beer.
>
>
>
> nb

I keep trying to get you over to the Primal side. It works. and it is something you can stick to because it's not a diet...

http://www.marksdailyapple.com

On 2014-06-24, ImStillMags > wrote:

> I keep trying to get you over to the Primal side. It works. and it is something you can stick to because it's not a diet...

BTDT. Too restrictive.

nb

On 2014-06-25, > wrote:

> Eat a little of everything, not too much of anything.....

BINGO!!!

I've been a bit LARGE all my life. Been on every "diet" ever
invented. I once saw a documentary that sed that yer body has a
memeory. Any diet you've ever been on will never work again. I truly
believe that.

One diet does actually work! Repeatedly. As Debra DiGiovanni puts
it: "There's this new way to lose weight. Have you heard of this
before? It's called eating less and exercising."

I remember when I got divorced. Lost my appetite, completely. Still
hadda work 8-12 hrs day, never sitting down, but jes didn't eat.
Plain toast in morn. Cup of homemade soup (our Mex chef was awesome
with soups), long walk to mkt to buy bottle killer German beer....
Lost 50lbs in 5 mos. I remember feeling the emptiness in my gut.

Well, not been married in 25 yrs. Need a new incentive. Staying
alive? The fight continues.

nb

On 24/06/2014 9:40 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2014-06-24, Janet Bostwick > wrote:
>
>> That was several years ago. He's gained weight. His clothing is
>> beginning to pull across the middle and more. Too bad. I had hoped
>> he had found the secret for maintenance.
>
> Yeah, that's the prob. Seems like I'm already doing what he
> recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. Pretty much jes
> stick to his "0x" foods. No chips, crackers, hot dogs,
> processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
> I could jes resist beer.
>
> nb
>
Same here but it's mostly wine in my case.
Graham

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 10:40:36 AM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> Seems like I'm already doing what he
> recommends, as I've lost 8 lbs in the last 3 wks. No chips, crackers, hot
> dogs,processed-whatever, etc, and eating lots more fruits/veggies. Now, if
> I could jes resist beer.
>
>
> nb
>
>
If you are not willing to give up beer you might as well dig into the chips and crackers and other snack foods.

notbob wrote:
> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
> the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
> or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
> find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>
> nb

You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
watch your body composition improve.

-S-

On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:

> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> watch your body composition improve.

I saw this morning that some people are having great success
controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.

nancy

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
> > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > watch your body composition improve.
>
> I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
>
I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
What is that all about?


--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

sf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
> > On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> >
> > > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > > watch your body composition improve.
> >
> > I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> > controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
> >
> I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
> What is that all about?

Hopefully just the random nature of things.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:18:19 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> sf wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> > >
> > > > You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> > > > berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> > > > kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> > > > the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> > > > watch your body composition improve.
> > >
> > > I saw this morning that some people are having great success
> > > controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
> > >
> > I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
> > What is that all about?
>
> Hopefully just the random nature of things.

Geeze, I hope so! I don't know much about the disease, but they even
had the same pre-MS diagnosis - some sort of partial paralysis. I
don't know if it always precedes MS or if that was just another
coincidence. But two friends, virtually the same age, living in the
same general area (one closer than the other, but still within 30
miles of me) with the same symptoms and diagnosed within months of
each other?

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

On 6/24/2014 1:18 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:57:53 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2014 12:44 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>
>>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>>>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
>>>> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
>>>> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
>>>> watch your body composition improve.
>>>
>>> I saw this morning that some people are having great success
>>> controlling their MS symptoms with a Paleo diet.
>>>
>> I know two people who have been diagnosed with MS in the last year.
>> What is that all about?
>
> Hopefully just the random nature of things.
>
And I know of so many people being diagnosed with cancer lately, much
more than I've ever known before. Of many age groups. Cancer seems like
an epidemic.

--
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Cheryl

On 6/24/2014 2:12 PM, wrote:

> It was supposedly a 'north American' illness but recently doctors in
> India starting diagnosing women there with MS at the same rate as
> here, previously it went undiagnosed.
>
The UK has the highest rate of MS in the world.

On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all over
>> the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like Me",
>> or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as I can
>> find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>
>> nb
>
> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the man-made
> kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out most or all of
> the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with fruit as well, and
> watch your body composition improve.
>

Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
time to deal with existing body fat.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>>> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all
>>> over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>>> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like
>>> Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as
>>> I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>
>
> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
> time to deal with existing body fat.

I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw, "What
doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself constantly,
you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without strengthening yourself
and it eventually weakens you - in my humble opinion.

-S-

On 6/24/2014 4:26 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
> Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live with
>>>> that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video is all
>>>> over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been quashed by
>>>> copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book, "Buff, Like
>>>> Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his usual jokes, as
>>>> I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves and
>>> berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>>
>>
>> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
>> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
>> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
>> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
>> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
>> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
>> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
>> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
>> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
>> time to deal with existing body fat.
>
> I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw, "What
> doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself constantly,
> you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without strengthening yourself
> and it eventually weakens you - in my humble opinion.
>
> -S-
>
>
This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a day
to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the morning,
a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner. Snacks should
be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.

--
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Cheryl

Cheryl wrote:
> On 6/24/2014 4:26 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>> Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>>> On 6/24/2014 11:44 AM, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>> No doubt most of you have seen that Alton Brown has lost a buncha
>>>>> weight. His DIY diet with four lists. Looks like I could live
>>>>> with that one. Is there any specifics? I notice the his video
>>>>> is all over the place, but only part 1, the 2nd part having been
>>>>> quashed by copyright nonsense. In part 1, he alludes to a book,
>>>>> "Buff, Like Me", or whatever, but I suspect it's jes one of his
>>>>> usual jokes, as I can find no such pub. Anyone have any details?
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> You'd be amazed by what just eating "clean" can do. Meat, leaves
>>>> and berries - eat nuts, eat _lots_ of fat of all kinds except the
>>>> man-made kind, eat lots of protein, eat lots of vegetable, cut out
>>>> most or all of the bread, pasta, and the like, and be moderate with
>>>> fruit as well, and watch your body composition improve.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also limit the number of times you eat each day. Research has found
>>> that the liver is busy doing one of two things: secreting enzymes to
>>> help break down the food you recently ate, or secreting enzymes to
>>> break down your body fat. The more frequently you eat, the less time
>>> your liver has to spend on breaking down body fat. If you can manage
>>> it, the ideal is to consume your meals (limited to two if you can do
>>> it) within an eight-hour window, leaving your liver sixteen hours to
>>> work on body fat. Even if you don't cut back on calories, you will
>>> still lose a modicum of weight since you're giving your liver more
>>> time to deal with existing body fat.
>>
>> I agree with this 100%. It's really a question of that old saw,
>> "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." If you feed yourself
>> constantly, you are addressing the symptom, hunger, without
>> strengthening yourself and it eventually weakens you - in my humble
>> opinion. -S-
>>
>>
> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a
> nutrition coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a
> day to keep up your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein,
> veggies and fruit. Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the
> morning, a mid-morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner.
> Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw veggies.

The correct response here is "it depends." For most people most of the
time, eating 5 meals a day is like wearing cushy running shoes.
Everyone thought - for years, for decades - that what we needed was to
wear cushioned shoes that prevented our feet from pronating. They have
lately figured out, however, that those very shoes are what makes us
feel better for a while but eventually makes most people worse as they
lose their natural ability to absorb shock with a proper footstrike as
their foot lands underneath them. Put on the cushy shoe and you start
overstriding to the front, you start landing heels first, and you just
mess up what _was_ a perfectly good system of shock absorbtion give to
you by Mother Nature.

Yes, if all you do is sit on your ass all day, you may find you can't
figure out how to run without cushy shoes. That would be your (not you
personally, Cheryl, of course) problem. Get off your ass, walk a couple
of miles every day, and you'll be able to learn how to run without cushy
shoes.

The same applies to frequent feedings. We were born and bred not to
live that kind of life. Our bodies do all sorts of good things when we
_don't_ eat, fasting is a religious tradition that goes back thousands
of years, and you simply don't need to eat 5 times a day. But, of
course, you can't switch cold turkey to eating less often any more than
you can pick 300 lbs. up off the floor, which I can, because I took my
time and learned how to do it and then I practiced it a lot, a real lot.

There are people who need to eat often, but they're generally big and
trying to get bigger, e.g., they're professional athletes of some sort
in a sport where being 250 lbs. is considered small. Those people
should eat all the time.

But for the rest of us, the saying that what doesn't kill you makes you
stronger is still true, and the best thing everyone with a weight
problem can do is learn to be a little hungry and not panic at that
feeling. Being a little hungry for part of every day is a good thing.

There are plenty of people giving out old advice, plenty of doctors who
will still tell you to take statins and avoid naturally occuring
saturated fats, and a whole lot of other things that go against the way
our bodies were designed to work. If anyone wishes to take that sort of
advice, that would again be their problem.

For the record, I'm 59 years old and I picked 350 lbs. up off the floor
at a powerlifting competition 2 weekends ago, setting a new New Jersy
state record for my age and weight (149 lbs.) class. My body
composition is good, all my blood markers are good, my resting pulse is
in the 50's, my blood pressure is on the low side of average, and I walk
about 10 miles a week and I lift weights most days. I eat one meal per
day, at dinner, and I have very little before that - coffee or tea,
water, and a few spoonfuls of nut butter, a protein bar, or both.
Tonight's dinner was pan-seared scallops, spinach sauteed in coconut and
olive oils, and grilled peppers and onions, no bread, no alcohol, no
sweets, plenty of spices like garlic and black pepper, no salt - and it
was absolutely delicious.

Now be careful or I'll tell you what I really think.

-S-

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
eb.com...

> This goes 180 degrees away from the suggestions I was given by a nutrition
> coach just a couple of weeks ago. He said to eat 5 meals a day to keep up
> your metabolism. 5 small meals with plenty of protein, veggies and fruit.
> Breakfast within 1/2 hour of awaking in the morning, a mid-morning snack,
> lunch, an afternoon snack and dinner. Snacks should be fruit, nuts or raw
> veggies.

I do think that works for some people but not all. For some it would be a
license to overeat because they can not stop themselves and limit to small
portions. I couldn't do it myself because of the slowed digestion. Most
days I eat two meals and a snack. If I have to eat my breakfast much
earlier than usual like I will tomorrow, I will try to eat a small snack in
between that and dinner. But that doesn't always work for me and often I am
just not at all hungry come dinner time.