Travis McGee wrote:
>
> disallowing the sale of yellow margarine. In an effort to circumvent the
> restriction, clear margarine blocks were often sold with a side of
> yellow dye.

They weren't clear. They were white.

> Today, however, amid a complete reversal in both consumer preferences
> and nutritional science—recent studies have challenged the notion that
> consuming saturated fats is tied to greater risks of heart
> disease—margarine's marketing efforts have lost their appeal and the
> narratives have reversed themselves.

Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
and cardiovascular disease was established by
studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
data from those studies.

This article is poorly researched and written.

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:52:54 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
> Travis McGee wrote:
>
> >
>
> > disallowing the sale of yellow margarine. In an effort to circumvent the
>
> > restriction, clear margarine blocks were often sold with a side of
>
> > yellow dye.
>
>
>
> They weren't clear. They were white.
>
>
>
> > Today, however, amid a complete reversal in both consumer preferences
>
> > and nutritional science�recent studies have challenged the notion that
>
> > consuming saturated fats is tied to greater risks of heart
>
> > disease�margarine's marketing efforts have lost their appeal and the
>
> > narratives have reversed themselves.
>
>
>
> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>
> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>
> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>
> data from those studies.
>
>
>
> This article is poorly researched and written.


http://img.timeinc.net/time/pr/magcovers/62314.jpg

This is just the first article I could find, there are many that may be even more conclusive.

It is pretty much established now that there is no correlation.

Nellie

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:52:54 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>> Travis McGee wrote:
>>
>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>
>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>
>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>
>> data from those studies.
>>
>> This article is poorly researched and written.
>
>
>http://img.timeinc.net/time/pr/magcovers/62314.jpg
>
>This is just the first article I could find, there are many that may be even more conclusive.
>
>It is pretty much established now that there is no correlation.

It's amazing how much resistance there are to the facts. Even in this
day and age.

On 6/17/2014 7:03 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:52:54 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Travis McGee wrote:
>>>
>>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>>
>>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>>
>>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>>
>>> data from those studies.
>>>
>>> This article is poorly researched and written.
>>
>>
>> http://img.timeinc.net/time/pr/magcovers/62314.jpg
>>
>> This is just the first article I could find, there are many that may be even more conclusive.
>>
>> It is pretty much established now that there is no correlation.
>
> It's amazing how much resistance there are to the facts. Even in this
> day and age.
>

That reminds me of one of the first reports in the popular press about
how fats may not be the enemy. It was written by a guy named Gary
Taubes, for the NYT Sunday magazine. The cover image was of a large
t-bone steak, with a pat of butter melting on top. This was about a
dozen years ago.

It caused a huge outcry, not the least from one of the NYT food editors,
who blasted the article and the author as being completely
irresponsible, and perhaps even criminal, for even suggesting that fat
might not be a problem. My, how times have changed.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:15:06 -0400, Travis McGee >
wrote:

>On 6/17/2014 7:03 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT), Nellie
>> > wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:52:54 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> Travis McGee wrote:
>>>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>>> data from those studies.
>>>>
>>>> This article is poorly researched and written.
>>>
>>> http://img.timeinc.net/time/pr/magcovers/62314.jpg
>>> This is just the first article I could find, there are many that may be even more conclusive.
>>> It is pretty much established now that there is no correlation.
>
>> It's amazing how much resistance there are to the facts. Even in this
>> day and age.
>>
>
>That reminds me of one of the first reports in the popular press about
>how fats may not be the enemy. It was written by a guy named Gary
>Taubes, for the NYT Sunday magazine. The cover image was of a large
>t-bone steak, with a pat of butter melting on top. This was about a
>dozen years ago.
>
>It caused a huge outcry, not the least from one of the NYT food editors,
>who blasted the article and the author as being completely
>irresponsible, and perhaps even criminal, for even suggesting that fat
>might not be a problem. My, how times have changed.

Times have changed, albeit painfully slowly. I've been in the
saturated fats are good camp since circa 2002 and it's gradually
getting easier to be able to at least discuss the subject now.

Nellie wrote:
>
> http://img.timeinc.net/time/pr/magcovers/62314.jpg
>
> This is just the first article I could find, there are many that may be even more conclusive.
>
> It is pretty much established now that there is no correlation.

No, it's not. _Time_ magazine is not
a scientific journal. There are no
clinical studies which overturn the
scientific data that consumption of
saturated fat is a major risk factor
for cardiovascular disease.

One of the leading organizations
supporting research in cardiovascular
disease is the American Heart Association.
When they say it's okay to eat saturated
fats, I'll believe it.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Gettin...49_Article.jsp

But of course, that will NEVER happen.
There are few nutritional causes of
disease as well-supported by clinical
studies as the one between saturated fat
and cardiovascular disease.

On 2014-06-17, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
> and cardiovascular disease was established by
> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
> data from those studies.

No more bolagnos than yer unsubstantiated claim to the contrary.

Another article, out last week, is the Time magazine story on fats,
with a huge picture of a curl of butter centerpiecing the mag's cover.
It is much better researched and highlights doctors and their studies
which refute the long standing "anti-fat" diet campaign that has too
long dominated this country's diet dogma.

http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/

nb

On 17 Jun 2014 23:11:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-06-17, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>> data from those studies.
>
>No more bolagnos than yer unsubstantiated claim to the contrary.
>
>Another article, out last week, is the Time magazine story on fats,
>with a huge picture of a curl of butter centerpiecing the mag's cover.
>It is much better researched and highlights doctors and their studies
>which refute the long standing "anti-fat" diet campaign that has too
>long dominated this country's diet dogma.
>
>http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/

Now that such an article has appeared in 'Time', now suddenly it has
credibility in many people's eyes... sigh.

On 6/17/2014 1:14 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On 17 Jun 2014 23:11:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-06-17, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>
>>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>> data from those studies.
>>
>> No more bolagnos than yer unsubstantiated claim to the contrary.
>>
>> Another article, out last week, is the Time magazine story on fats,
>> with a huge picture of a curl of butter centerpiecing the mag's cover.
>> It is much better researched and highlights doctors and their studies
>> which refute the long standing "anti-fat" diet campaign that has too
>> long dominated this country's diet dogma.
>>
>> http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/
>
> Now that such an article has appeared in 'Time', now suddenly it has
> credibility in many people's eyes... sigh.
>

I don't buy into all these butter backlash. Butter is bad! You can take
that to the bank right there. :-)

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:58:41 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

>On 6/17/2014 1:14 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>> On 17 Jun 2014 23:11:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2014-06-17, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>>> data from those studies.
>>>
>>> No more bolagnos than yer unsubstantiated claim to the contrary.
>>>
>>> Another article, out last week, is the Time magazine story on fats,
>>> with a huge picture of a curl of butter centerpiecing the mag's cover.
>>> It is much better researched and highlights doctors and their studies
>>> which refute the long standing "anti-fat" diet campaign that has too
>>> long dominated this country's diet dogma.
>>>
>>> http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/
>>
>> Now that such an article has appeared in 'Time', now suddenly it has
>> credibility in many people's eyes... sigh.
>>
>
>I don't buy into all these butter backlash. Butter is bad!

Let's hope we're both here to discuss this topic in another ten years.
Just amazing how... never mind.

>You can take that to the bank right there. :-)

LOL, you would too. As though a bank is some sort of pillar of
integrity and security

On 6/17/2014 2:17 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:58:41 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On 6/17/2014 1:14 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On 17 Jun 2014 23:11:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-06-17, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>>>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>>>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>>>> data from those studies.
>>>>
>>>> No more bolagnos than yer unsubstantiated claim to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Another article, out last week, is the Time magazine story on fats,
>>>> with a huge picture of a curl of butter centerpiecing the mag's cover.
>>>> It is much better researched and highlights doctors and their studies
>>>> which refute the long standing "anti-fat" diet campaign that has too
>>>> long dominated this country's diet dogma.
>>>>
>>>> http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/
>>>
>>> Now that such an article has appeared in 'Time', now suddenly it has
>>> credibility in many people's eyes... sigh.
>>>
>>
>> I don't buy into all these butter backlash. Butter is bad!
>
> Let's hope we're both here to discuss this topic in another ten years.
> Just amazing how... never mind.

I'm not counting on that. I'm scheduled to die in this year or the next. :-)

>
>> You can take that to the bank right there. :-)
>
> LOL, you would too. As though a bank is some sort of pillar of
> integrity and security
>

I would take it to the bank because I don't like being around a lot of
money. Rest assured though - I don't care for banks.

My dad told me about the old days when he would drinking and gambling
after work. He said the Chinese and Filipino workers would hide their
winnings in cracks in the rock cause they couldn't let their wives at
home see they were gambling. They couldn't hide the fact that they were
drinking though. Boy, they must have gotten yelled at all the time. They
was in the doghouse for sure.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:17:13 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:58:41 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:
>
>>On 6/17/2014 1:14 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On 17 Jun 2014 23:11:13 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2014-06-17, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Baloney. The link between saturated fat intake
>>>>> and cardiovascular disease was established by
>>>>> studies in humans. Nothing has "reversed" the
>>>>> data from those studies.
>>>>
>>>> No more bolagnos than yer unsubstantiated claim to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Another article, out last week, is the Time magazine story on fats,
>>>> with a huge picture of a curl of butter centerpiecing the mag's cover.
>>>> It is much better researched and highlights doctors and their studies
>>>> which refute the long standing "anti-fat" diet campaign that has too
>>>> long dominated this country's diet dogma.
>>>>
>>>> http://time.com/2863227/ending-the-war-on-fat/
>>>
>>> Now that such an article has appeared in 'Time', now suddenly it has
>>> credibility in many people's eyes... sigh.
>>>
>>
>>I don't buy into all these butter backlash. Butter is bad!
>
>Let's hope we're both here to discuss this topic in another ten years.
>Just amazing how... never mind.
>
>>You can take that to the bank right there. :-)
>
>LOL, you would too. As though a bank is some sort of pillar of
>integrity and security

Don't forget about the benefits of lard compared to butter and/or
vegetable oil products. Less saturated fat compared to butter. More
monounsaturated fats. Less polyunsaturated fats . . . I've never
used margarine except for that one taste of the Crisco-like stuff. I
always figured butter and lately lard are natural products and I'll go
with that.
Janet US

On 2014-06-18, Janet Bostwick > wrote:

> Don't forget about the benefits of lard compared to butter and/or
> vegetable oil products. Less saturated fat compared to butter. More
> monounsaturated fats. Less polyunsaturated fats . . . I've never
> used margarine except for that one taste of the Crisco-like stuff. I
> always figured butter and lately lard are natural products and I'll go
> with that.

But, margerine and Crisco are heavily hydrogenated oils and the
hydrogination process turns the unsaturated fats into trans fats, which
are suspected to be even worse than other saturated fats.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-hydrogenated-oil.htm

I've recently been given about a cup of this:

http://www.spectrumorganics.com/spec...ic-shortening/

It's palm oil based and is used by the organic baker, in town. Looks
jes like Crisco. I've yet to try it in my butter/shortening pie crust
dough, as it's been too warm to bake. I'll let you know how it turns
out when I get around to baking another pie.

nb