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Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that?
Lean pork is a healthy meat. Pork fat is not so healthy, although a little bit is OK as it contains heart healthy nutrients. So why not eat very lean pork? I prefer the pork tenderloin which is extra lean. Also, there is very little chance of trichinosis even if you cook pork medium rare. And if you want to be 100% safe cook pork well done. So, why not eat lean pork? I usually cook pork well done with one exception. Pork tenderloin I cook to medium rare to medium. I've got a wonderful Polish deli in my neighbourhood which offers many good pork products; tenderloin, extra lean ground pork, boneless pork loin which is trimmed of 95% of it's fat etc. Get off your high horse(or horse high LOL)and eat some sow. (I'd like to crack a JB joke here, but that would be impolite) I think the reason behind the dietary laws is that people got very ill when they did not cook pork well done. That is no longer the case, so the priests should get with the program and toss out their bs. |
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A Moose in Love > wrote: > Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary > law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > Lean pork is a healthy meat. Pork fat is not so healthy, although a little > bit is OK as it contains heart healthy nutrients. So why not eat very lean > pork? I prefer the pork tenderloin which is extra lean. Also, there is very > little chance of trichinosis even if you cook pork medium rare. And if you > want to be 100% safe cook pork well done. So, why not eat lean pork? I > usually cook pork well done with one exception. Pork tenderloin I cook to > medium rare to medium. I've got a wonderful Polish deli in my neighbourhood > which offers many good pork products; tenderloin, extra lean ground pork, > boneless pork loin which is trimmed of 95% of it's fat etc. > Get off your high horse(or horse high LOL)and eat some sow. (I'd like to > crack a JB joke here, but that would be impolite) > I think the reason behind the dietary laws is that people got very ill when > they did not cook pork well done. That is no longer the case, so the priests > should get with the program and toss out their bs. they didn't get ill, they died...big difference |
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On 3/2/2014 8:04 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > Lean pork is a healthy meat. Pork fat is not so healthy, although a little bit is OK as it contains heart healthy nutrients. So why not eat very lean pork? I prefer the pork tenderloin which is extra lean. Also, there is very little chance of trichinosis even if you cook pork medium rare. And if you want to be 100% safe cook pork well done. So, why not eat lean pork? I usually cook pork well done with one exception. Pork tenderloin I cook to medium rare to medium. I've got a wonderful Polish deli in my neighbourhood which offers many good pork products; tenderloin, extra lean ground pork, boneless pork loin which is trimmed of 95% of it's fat etc. > Get off your high horse(or horse high LOL)and eat some sow. (I'd like to crack a JB joke here, but that would be impolite) > I think the reason behind the dietary laws is that people got very ill when they did not cook pork well done. That is no longer the case, so the priests should get with the program and toss out their bs. > Asians love fatty pork. What would they do without pork belly? Shoyu pork is the opposite of lean pork but if you do it right, it's not greasy. It's a favorite dish of the Okinawans. Traditionally, they boil the meat and then dump the water. My auntie told me to do this because pork is a "dirty" meat. They ought to know what they're doing because they're a national of pig farmers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ7Ohmr5BD0 |
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On 3/2/2014 8:04 AM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of > 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? In ye olden times pork was easy to mishandle and cause illness including trichinosis. Similarly shellfish had their problems which could be difficult to manage in healthy ways consistently. Whether this was fundamental, or in still earlier times pork and shellfish got a bad reputation that was then codified into dietary rules and these then coded into religious rules, it's tough to say through the fog of ancient times. |
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![]() "gtr" > wrote in message news:2014030216374981905-xxx@yyyzzz... > On 3/2/2014 8:04 AM, A Moose in Love wrote: >> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of >> 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > > In ye olden times pork was easy to mishandle and cause illness including > trichinosis. Similarly shellfish had their problems which could be > difficult to manage in healthy ways consistently. Whether this was > fundamental, or in still earlier times pork and shellfish got a bad > reputation that was then codified into dietary rules and these then coded > into religious rules, it's tough to say through the fog of ancient times. > Shellfish can be deadly during red tides. By and large back then the environment was pristine but not without its natural toxins. Shellfish can tolerate large amounts of deadly toxins and yet seem healthy. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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![]() "dsi1" > wrote in message ... > On 3/2/2014 8:04 AM, A Moose in Love wrote: >> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of >> 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? >> Lean pork is a healthy meat. Pork fat is not so healthy, although a >> little bit is OK as it contains heart healthy nutrients. So why not eat >> very lean pork? I prefer the pork tenderloin which is extra lean. Also, >> there is very little chance of trichinosis even if you cook pork medium >> rare. And if you want to be 100% safe cook pork well done. So, why not >> eat lean pork? I usually cook pork well done with one exception. Pork >> tenderloin I cook to medium rare to medium. I've got a wonderful Polish >> deli in my neighbourhood which offers many good pork products; >> tenderloin, extra lean ground pork, boneless pork loin which is trimmed >> of 95% of it's fat etc. >> Get off your high horse(or horse high LOL)and eat some sow. (I'd like to >> crack a JB joke here, but that would be impolite) >> I think the reason behind the dietary laws is that people got very ill >> when they did not cook pork well done. That is no longer the case, so >> the priests should get with the program and toss out their bs. >> > > Asians love fatty pork. What would they do without pork belly? Shoyu pork > is the opposite of lean pork but if you do it right, it's not greasy. It's > a favorite dish of the Okinawans. Traditionally, they boil the meat and > then dump the water. My auntie told me to do this because pork is a > "dirty" meat. They ought to know what they're doing because they're a > national of pig farmers. I always loved extra shoyu in my ramen when I worked in LA. I love it grilled but is always boiled, not poached, first. Thai and Vietnamese cooks also cook pork till very done. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On 3/3/2014 1:49 AM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> I always loved extra shoyu in my ramen when I worked in LA. I love it > grilled but is always boiled, not poached, first. Thai and Vietnamese cooks > also cook pork till very done. > Japan style pork ramen is a sublime dish - somehow they are able to create a buttery broth. Evidently, you can get a silk purse out of a sow's ear. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > |
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On 3/2/2014 2:38 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > Asians love fatty pork. What would they do without pork belly? Shoyu > pork is the opposite of lean pork but if you do it right, it's not > greasy. It's a favorite dish of the Okinawans. Traditionally, they boil > the meat and then dump the water. My auntie told me to do this because > pork is a "dirty" meat. They ought to know what they're doing because > they're a national of pig farmers. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ7Ohmr5BD0 A couple of Muslim coworkers don't eat pork because they grew up with the notion that pigs are dirty animals, so the meat is unclean. -- ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ Cheryl |
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On Monday, March 3, 2014 5:46:27 PM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 2:38 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > > > > > > > Asians love fatty pork. What would they do without pork belly? Shoyu > > > pork is the opposite of lean pork but if you do it right, it's not > > > greasy. It's a favorite dish of the Okinawans. Traditionally, they boil > > > the meat and then dump the water. My auntie told me to do this because > > > pork is a "dirty" meat. They ought to know what they're doing because > > > they're a national of pig farmers. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ7Ohmr5BD0 > > > > A couple of Muslim coworkers don't eat pork because they grew up with > > the notion that pigs are dirty animals, so the meat is unclean. > > The Japanese looked down on the Okinawans because they were filthy pig farmers. Evidently, the Okinawans thought the meat from the pig was dirty too but they got around that part... hee hee. > > > > -- > > ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶ > > Cheryl |
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On 2014-03-03 10:46 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> > A couple of Muslim coworkers don't eat pork because they grew up with > the notion that pigs are dirty animals, so the meat is unclean. > > They had better stay away from cattle and chicken farms. You can see catte at county fairs where they are all cleaned up and groomed for show, or on the farm where stand around in their own crap and are often covered in manure. Roasting chickens are brought in from the hatcheries by the thousands and and released into special barns that have feeding stations and heat lamps. They hang around the heat lamps and food for a while until they are more mobile. They have the run of the barn. They are kept there for about two months. Then they are gathered up and put into smaller cages to co to market and after they are all gone a crew goes in with a front end loader to scrap up the several inches of shit on the floor. You do not want to be anywhere neat a chicken barn when it is being cleaned. |
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 9:13:22 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-03-03 10:46 PM, Cheryl wrote: > > > > > > > > A couple of Muslim coworkers don't eat pork because they grew up with > > > the notion that pigs are dirty animals, so the meat is unclean. > > > > > > > > > > They had better stay away from cattle and chicken farms. You can see > > catte at county fairs where they are all cleaned up and groomed for > > show, or on the farm where stand around in their own crap and are often > > covered in manure. Roasting chickens are brought in from the hatcheries > > by the thousands and and released into special barns that have feeding > > stations and heat lamps. They hang around the heat lamps and food for a > > while until they are more mobile. They have the run of the barn. They > > are kept there for about two months. Then they are gathered up and put > > into smaller cages to co to market and after they are all gone a crew > > goes in with a front end loader to scrap up the several inches of shit > > on the floor. You do not want to be anywhere neat a chicken barn when > > it is being cleaned. That's no shit(yeah I know I'm punny). I remember when my dad brought home a bunch of lil' chicks from the stockyards. They tried to kill each other. And speaking of cows, they will take a dump while you're milking them. I've been told that pigs will eat their own feces or the feces of their brothers/sisters. I've never seen that. Maybe if they're starving. |
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On 3/2/2014 1:04 PM, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, Rabbi Feldman is a priest? Going back a few dozen centuries it probably made sense as a health issue. Pigs were scavengers back then, not factory raised. Same with most shell fish. I know people that avoid them for that reason and nothing religious at all. |
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On 2014-03-02 3:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/2/2014 1:04 PM, A Moose in Love wrote: >> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of >> 'dietary law' invented by priests, > > Rabbi Feldman is a priest? Sure. Most religions have priests, people who are authorized to perform the sacred rituals of the religion and who act act as intermediaries between the people and their god(s). They have different job titles. In English, Jewish priests are rabbis, Catholics and Anglicans are usually called priests, and Protestants are usually called rectors or ministers. > > Going back a few dozen centuries it probably made sense as a health > issue. Pigs were scavengers back then, not factory raised. There were health issues specific to pigs and it used to be a good idea to make sure it was well cooked. >Same with > most shell fish. I know people that avoid them for that reason and > nothing religious at all. There is no sick like a sick from bad shellfish. I used to occasionally eat mussels until my wife got sick on them once. I don't touch them now. Thank goodness it wasn't shrimp, scallops or lobster. |
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On 02/03/2014 22:17, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-03-02 3:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> On 3/2/2014 1:04 PM, A Moose in Love wrote: >>> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of >>> 'dietary law' invented by priests, >> >> Rabbi Feldman is a priest? > > > Sure. Most religions have priests, people who are authorized to perform > the sacred rituals of the religion and who act act as intermediaries > between the people and their god(s). They have different job titles. In > English, Jewish priests are rabbis, Catholics and Anglicans are usually > called priests, and Protestants are usually called rectors or ministers. > >> >> Going back a few dozen centuries it probably made sense as a health >> issue. Pigs were scavengers back then, not factory raised. > > There were health issues specific to pigs and it used to be a good idea > to make sure it was well cooked. > >> Same with >> most shell fish. I know people that avoid them for that reason and >> nothing religious at all. > > There is no sick like a sick from bad shellfish. I used to occasionally > eat mussels until my wife got sick on them once. I don't touch them now. > Thank goodness it wasn't shrimp, scallops or lobster. > I always understood that it was a problem with worms in pork, this is especially so in warm climates.Was pork shunned here during the summer months before refrigeration, a bit like some foods only being ate when there is no "R" in the month. |
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 00:01:51 -0500, T >
wrote: > In article >, > says... > > > > > > There is no sick like a sick from bad shellfish. I used to occasionally > > eat mussels until my wife got sick on them once. I don't touch them now. > > Thank goodness it wasn't shrimp, scallops or lobster. > > I tend to eat a lot of shrimp and scallops and have never gotten ill > from it. It's all in how you cook it. It's a fine line between cooked > and overcooked. > > Case in point - perfectly cooked. The shrimp and scallops were cooked > first then added to the cheese sauce once that had time to cook. > I've never gotten food poisoning either, but if you're not allergic - you won't get sick because of the way they're cooked - it's how they're stored before or after cooking. -- Good Food. Good Friends. Good Memories. |
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On 2014-03-05 06:38:44 +0000, sf said:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2014 00:01:51 -0500, T > > wrote: > >> In article >, >> says... >>> >>> >>> There is no sick like a sick from bad shellfish. I used to occasionally >>> eat mussels until my wife got sick on them once. I don't touch them now. >>> Thank goodness it wasn't shrimp, scallops or lobster. >> >> I tend to eat a lot of shrimp and scallops and have never gotten ill >> from it. It's all in how you cook it. It's a fine line between cooked >> and overcooked. >> >> Case in point - perfectly cooked. The shrimp and scallops were cooked >> first then added to the cheese sauce once that had time to cook. >> > I've never gotten food poisoning either, but if you're not allergic - > you won't get sick because of the way they're cooked - it's how > they're stored before or after cooking. At a very good and consistent restaurant I got me a bad clam and sick as a dog for about 3 days. |
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![]() On 2-Mar-2014, A Moose in Love > wrote: > Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of > 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > Lean pork is a healthy meat. STOP THAT! Please do not encourage those who don't to eat pork; it will just drive the price up. 8-( |
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On 3/3/2014 4:57 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On 2-Mar-2014, A Moose in Love > wrote: > >> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of >> 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? >> Lean pork is a healthy meat. > > STOP THAT! Please do not encourage those who don't to eat pork; it will > just drive the price up. 8-( > It is established that there were good reasons for not eating pork and shellfish in Palestine before refrigeration. The various priests and scribes turned sensible precautions into religious laws. You have to admit that the "I'm different" approach seems to have helped the survival of Jewish identity even if it excites the primitive response to reject them. -- Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD) Extraneous "not." in Reply To. |
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 10:04:40 -0800 (PST), A Moose in Love
> wrote: >Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? >Lean pork is a healthy meat. Pork fat is not so healthy, although a little bit is OK as it contains heart healthy nutrients. So why not eat very lean pork? I prefer the pork tenderloin which is extra lean. Also, there is very little chance of trichinosis even if you cook pork medium rare. And if you want to be 100% safe cook pork well done. So, why not eat lean pork? I usually cook pork well done with one exception. Pork tenderloin I cook to medium rare to medium. I've got a wonderful Polish deli in my neighbourhood which offers many good pork products; tenderloin, extra lean ground pork, boneless pork loin which is trimmed of 95% of it's fat etc. >Get off your high horse(or horse high LOL)and eat some sow. (I'd like to crack a JB joke here, but that would be impolite) >I think the reason behind the dietary laws is that people got very ill when they did not cook pork well done. That is no longer the case, so the priests should get with the program and toss out their bs. Why do you care? What program? Yours? |
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On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:04:40 AM UTC-10, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > > Lean pork is a healthy meat. Pork fat is not so healthy, although a little bit is OK as it contains heart healthy nutrients. So why not eat very lean pork? I prefer the pork tenderloin which is extra lean. Also, there is very little chance of trichinosis even if you cook pork medium rare. And if you want to be 100% safe cook pork well done. So, why not eat lean pork? I usually cook pork well done with one exception. Pork tenderloin I cook to medium rare to medium. I've got a wonderful Polish deli in my neighbourhood which offers many good pork products; tenderloin, extra lean ground pork, boneless pork loin which is trimmed of 95% of it's fat etc. > > Get off your high horse(or horse high LOL)and eat some sow. (I'd like to crack a JB joke here, but that would be impolite) > > I think the reason behind the dietary laws is that people got very ill when they did not cook pork well done. That is no longer the case, so the priests should get with the program and toss out their bs. We learn what foods are acceptable to eat at an early age. This is a good strategy for survival. You have to get your message out to folks before they turn 6 years of age or so. Otherwise, you might as well change the subject line to "Why not eat wood grubs?" |
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On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-8, A Moose in Love wrote:
> Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. If poop-eating pigs doesn't gross you out, consider that just a couple of years ago, an elderly Oregon farmer was consumed by his hogs. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...-his-hogs?lite In contrast, cows and chickens are vegetarian (with the exception of some bug eating chickens). Seafood is an interesting taboo, as Muslims -- who began in the same geography and the same climate -- were always allowed to eat them. |
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:54:06 -0800 (PST), wrote:
> > One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy > is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. Not choosey? What was the choice? Do you have any idea what humans eat under starvation conditions? -- Good Food. Good Friends. Good Memories. |
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 6:50:29 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:54:06 -0800 (PST), wrote: > > > > > > > > One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy > > > is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. > > > > Not choosey? What was the choice? Do you have any idea what humans > > eat under starvation conditions? > My partner(the fellow that works the opposite shift to me) is a Hungarian. He said after WW2, there was not a whole lot of food around. He saw people gang up on a live horse and cut meat off of the animal while it was still living. My Grandfather was in a Hungarian prison camp at wars end. For a laugh, the guards would starve the POW's for a couple of days, then throw in live dogs. The dogs were torn apart and eaten raw. |
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On 2014-03-04 23:50:29 +0000, sf said:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:54:06 -0800 (PST), wrote: > >> >> One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy >> is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. > > Not choosey? What was the choice? Do you have any idea what humans > eat under starvation conditions? Additionally, for man to have survived through millennia that had to eat "under starvation conditions" with great regularity. |
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On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 16:40:48 -0800, gtr > wrote:
> On 2014-03-04 23:50:29 +0000, sf said: > > > On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:54:06 -0800 (PST), wrote: > > > >> > >> One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy > >> is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. > > > > Not choosey? What was the choice? Do you have any idea what humans > > eat under starvation conditions? > > Additionally, for man to have survived through millennia that had to > eat "under starvation conditions" with great regularity. In captivity? -- Good Food. Good Friends. Good Memories. |
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On 2014-03-05 02:27:46 +0000, sf said:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 16:40:48 -0800, gtr > wrote: > >> On 2014-03-04 23:50:29 +0000, sf said: >> >>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:54:06 -0800 (PST), wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy >>>> is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. >>> >>> Not choosey? What was the choice? Do you have any idea what humans >>> eat under starvation conditions? >> >> Additionally, for man to have survived through millennia that had to >> eat "under starvation conditions" with great regularity. > > In captivity? While figuring out which foods were poison, which foods grew in which season and how to get enough to eat during winter. That kind of stuff. |
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 5:54:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:04:40 AM UTC-8, A Moose in Love wrote: > > > Why do certain cultures not eat pork? Yes, I know it's some kind of 'dietary law' invented by priests, but what is the reason behind that? > One reason might be that pigs are not choosey eaters. Still a Korean delicacy > > is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. If poop-eating pigs > > doesn't gross you out, consider that just a couple of > > years ago, an elderly Oregon farmer was consumed by his hogs. > Yeah. I saw something like that in one of those 'Hannibal' movies. > > http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...-his-hogs?lite > > > > In contrast, cows and chickens are vegetarian (with the exception of > > some bug eating chickens). > I saw a chicken running in the yard with a snake in it's mouth. The other chickens were chasing it. I don't think chickens are vegetarian. They'll pretty much eat anything. > > > Seafood is an interesting taboo, as Muslims -- who began in the same > > geography and the same climate -- were always allowed to eat them. |
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On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 4:54:06 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> Still a Korean delicacy > > is "black pig," which until the 1960s fed on human feces. I hope the feces was cooked, because otherwise the potential for disease is distrurbing. I Googled, and that was not the case. It's funny that the spell check on GoogleGroups tags "Googled" as a misspelling. --B |
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