"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> comment.
>
> I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.

I guess she has as much right as anyone else for whatever reason anyone
posts. How would you like it if someone took exception to whatever you
posted? Perhaps you would prefer them to ignore whatever they didn't like?
perhaps you are lucky and they do.
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On 2013-04-05, jmcquown > wrote:

> Yes, everyone should make a donation.

Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.

Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.

Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.

If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.

I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.

Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.

nb

On Apr 5, 3:01*am, Alan Holbrook > wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > I do think it's difficult for the family. *I'm really not sure
> if the
> > person with Alzheimer's notices.
>
> > Jill
>
> Want a horror story Steven King couldn't write? *My wife is in end
> stage AD. *After being diagnosed 8 years ago, they are now giving
> her 6 months to a year to live. *She hasn't spoken in two years.
> She hasn't walked in two years. *She can't hold her head up. *But
> when family comes in to her room, her eyes widen a little and she
> makes little gobbling noises. *She doesn't do that when a stranger
> comes in.
>
> I wish you were right, Jill. *But I don't think you are.
>
> I wish everyone would consider making a donation to the
> Alzheimer's Association before they have to go through what
> Members Of The Club do.

Wow, that is tough- sorry you have to go thru that.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-04-05, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> Yes, everyone should make a donation.
>
> Do as you will, but I wouldn't give them a penny.
>
> Sounds harsh, but I've had much experience with both national and
> local chapters of the Alzy Assoc. They are long on sympathy --which
> sometimes provides short term relief to the caregiver-- but woefully
> short on real help. I've received little, if any, actual usable
> help/info from AA. I've actually had to correct misonceptions held by
> the online help staff. I no longer even bother contacting them.
>
> Here's a fact I didn't learn from AA. There are two basic kinds of
> dementia. (Alheimers is only one form of dementia and can't be 100%
> diagnosed except by autopsy). Rapid and slow onset. My mom has slow.
> She's been in 2nd stage dementia for at least 4 yrs. My father, who
> died last month, had rapid. I was talking to him often on the phone
> as recently as 9 mos ago. His advance was so rapid, I talked to him
> on the phone one day, 3 days later he passed. A close friend's father
> passed the same way. He forgot how to swallow and so essentially
> starved to death. He went from able to drive a car to deceased, over
> the relatively short period of about 2 yrs.
>
> If it makes you feel better to donate to AA, do it. It's my opinion
> the money would be better spent on helping a patient and/or their
> caregiver to cope with this unfortunate disease.
>
> I pick mom up from the nursing home, Sunday. She broke her arm and
> has been in a nursing home for PT for the last three weeks. The pain
> meds turned her into a zombie. Hopefully, she'll regain some mental
> acuity when she returns home. If not, I will be escalating into a
> whole new level of care, providing I can manage. We'll see.
>
> Hang in there, Alan. You are not alone.

God bless you for the love and care you are giving your Mum.

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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:55:08 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:41:07 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never said she was, but this constant picking and harassing is
>>>> ridiculous.
>>>> Hell if they don't like what she writes, they could ignore it but they
>>>> don't. No, they prefer to bully and I can only suppose they think it
>>>> makes
>>>> them look big and clever. I regard them with contempt.
>>>
>>> And her? Why are you only defending her?
>>
>> I don't. For my sins I kick out against anything I see as bullying. I
>> have
>> been bullied and I hate it with a passion. So sue me!
>
> But you (and Ed) are trying to belittle some of us in the same fashion
> that we belittle her.
>
> -sw


I sort of agree here, sometimes people in their quest to protect another
poster from the "meanies" are every bit as mean and hateful in their posts
as the perceived bullies.


Cheri

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:55:08 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:41:07 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never said she was, but this constant picking and harassing is
>>>> ridiculous.
>>>> Hell if they don't like what she writes, they could ignore it but they
>>>> don't. No, they prefer to bully and I can only suppose they think it
>>>> makes
>>>> them look big and clever. I regard them with contempt.
>>>
>>> And her? Why are you only defending her?
>>
>> I don't. For my sins I kick out against anything I see as bullying. I
>> have
>> been bullied and I hate it with a passion. So sue me!
>
> But you (and Ed) are trying to belittle some of us in the same fashion
> that we belittle her.

You are belittling her (as you are admitting) so why do you expect
to be treated any differently? I have never done that to you or anyone so
far as I am aware.


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On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 17:11:00 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
> >> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
> >> comment.
> >
> > I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>
> I guess she has as much right as anyone else for whatever reason anyone
> posts. How would you like it if someone took exception to whatever you
> posted? Perhaps you would prefer them to ignore whatever they didn't like?
> perhaps you are lucky and they do.
> --

Dealing with Julie is like walking in a minefield. She puts things
out there as if she's asking for suggestions and then shoots down
every response. She has issues that seem to change and multiply and
only she knows about them until she shoots down a suggestion. The
most annoying part is she expects people to keep a list instead of
setting parameters when she posts. It's a lose-lose situation for
everyone involved. Between diabetes, food intolerances and just plain
dislikes, there's nothing left except beans (I won't go near that
chicken issue again). So why is she here at all? The only positive I
can glean is without her posting as herself (and sw nymshifing to talk
to himself or annoy others), this would be a pretty much dead ng.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 17:11:00 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> >> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> >> comment.
>> >
>> > I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>>
>> I guess she has as much right as anyone else for whatever reason anyone
>> posts. How would you like it if someone took exception to whatever you
>> posted? Perhaps you would prefer them to ignore whatever they didn't
>> like?
>> perhaps you are lucky and they do.
>> --
>
> Dealing with Julie is like walking in a minefield. She puts things
> out there as if she's asking for suggestions and then shoots down
> every response. She has issues that seem to change and multiply and
> only she knows about them until she shoots down a suggestion. The
> most annoying part is she expects people to keep a list instead of
> setting parameters when she posts. It's a lose-lose situation for
> everyone involved. Between diabetes, food intolerances and just plain
> dislikes, there's nothing left except beans (I won't go near that
> chicken issue again). So why is she here at all? The only positive I
> can glean is without her posting as herself (and sw nymshifing to talk
> to himself or annoy others), this would be a pretty much dead ng.

So, if she annoys you so much, and I can see she does, why do you read her
posts?
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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 23:37:43 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:19:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jay" > wrote in message
...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> For one thing she won't eat any food with bones in it. For another, the
>>>> only part of a chicken she will eat is the boneless, skinless breast.
>>>
>>> I don't eat food with bones in it either. Teach her to gnaw around the
>>> bones. You could roast some boneless chicken breasts and slice it up.
>>> You will then be in control of most everything but what the chicken ate.
>>> This "one" seems so s i m p l e.
>>
>>She doesn't like roasted chicken.
>
>Does she like white chicken meat stir fried? I'm pretty sure that
>stir-fried chicken with vegetables it is OK for her diet. And as a
>bonus, this type of dish freezes really well.
>
>Doris

Julie would do better were she to stir fry and freeze her daughter.
LOL

Susan wrote:

> I don't get why they waste their time on her nonsense, either.

What you're saying, IMHO, is that you don't get Usenet, period.

Gary wrote:

> > How many Slop Appreciation Points do you earn for plugging that crap?
>
> As I said in the message that you quoted but didn't include all here. I
> know full well that people here frown on HH but I don't care. I don't eat
> it often at all but when I do, I enjoy it.

To me, that means you have poor taste and discernment.

> What have you cooked that's healthy and good lately?

I made a deep-fried popsicle the other day. It's a real trick to pull it out
of the fat before it explodes.

jmcquown wrote:

> > What have you cooked that's healthy and good lately?

> The Middiot doesn't cook, AFAIK.

You left out a crucial word, Jilliot. You shoulda said "... doesn't cook moose
steaks".

What is Sarah's position on salmon? I'm sure it ranks way below moose, but
every Alaskan can get the ol' red fish.

Gary wrote:

> I've noticed that you never pick on Steve

Julie? Is that you?

Ophelia wrote:

> Indeed! Not do we need therapists!

Better therapists than lawyers.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 18:08:51 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
> So, if she annoys you so much, and I can see she does, why do you read her
> posts?

As I said, without her posts - it's a pretty much dead ng.

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"Ophelia" wrote:
>"Gary" wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> If I ask for help, then I want the help. But if I haven't asked for
>>> help,
>>> then the help isn't help. To me it is someone else trying to get me to
>>> do
>>> what they want me to do. Like a control thing.
>>
>> yeah. Years ago, when my daughter had some problem, she would tell me
>> about
>> it and I would end up giving her my advice. And she would resent my
>> "intrusion" and telling her what she should do. But I was just drawing on
>> my life experiences to try to help her. She saw it as control...telling
>> her
>> what to do. Eventually I realized that she just needed to "vent" to
>> someone....get her thoughts out of her system but she didn't want any
>> solutions. Being a good parent is an ongoing education.
>
>Beautifully said, Gary!! A lesson some people would do well to learn))

Couldn't be more incorrect. Anyone who expresses that they have a
problem in any venue (especially on usenet) should expect opinions in
return. If they don't want to hear suggestions then they should just
STFU. You wanna vent, make an appointment with Dr. Phil... and he
will definitely tell you exactly where to stuff your problems. And
most times Julie does ask for help, and then when anyone offers her
solutions she tells them they are wrong... Julie is a troll, an
ingrate, both... she has never yet thanked anyone for their assistance
nor has she ever offered solutions to anyones query... Julie is a self
centered, user-abuser.

On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:54:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:

>
>
>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:21:51 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:32:07 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I simply don't understand why people take everything you say so
>>>>>personally.
>>>>>Ok, I don't agree with everything you say but I don't feel it is my
>>>>>mission
>>>>>in life to haul you over the coals for it. I think some folk need a
>>>>>whipping dog and you are it. I can just see them circling, spitting and
>>>>>snarling ...
>>>>
>>>> When they do, it is a reflection of their own personality.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately you are correct They certainly display it for all to
>>> see.
>>> I wonder why they can't see that?
>>
>> Julie has been offered all sorts of help here and 99%-100% of the time
>> she spits on all the suggestions. It's not unreasonable to call
>> somebody out on their actions when it happens so often.
>
>But why do you care so much?

Why do you conclude that anyone cares about Julie, with all her
weirdness she's purely fodder for usenet entertainment, and she makes
herself so... normal brained folks wouldn't publicly advertise their
psychoses. Julie is obviously mentally ill, anyone who doesn't see
that is mentally ill themselves

sf wrote:
>jmcquown wrote:
>
>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> comment.
>
>I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.

Pot Kettle...

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:39:11 -0400, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> > How many Slop Appreciation Points do you earn for plugging that crap?
>>
>> As I said in the message that you quoted but didn't include all here. I
>> know full well that people here frown on HH but I don't care. I don't eat
>> it often at all but when I do, I enjoy it.
>
>To me, that means you have poor taste and discernment.
>
>> What have you cooked that's healthy and good lately?
>
>I made a deep-fried popsicle the other day. It's a real trick to pull it out
>of my fat ass before it explodes.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

On Apr 4, 11:37*pm, Doris Night > wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:19:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >"jay" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In article >,
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>
> >>> For one thing she won't eat any food with bones in it. *For another, the
> >>> only part of a chicken she will eat is the boneless, skinless breast.
>
> >> I don't eat food with bones in it either. Teach her to gnaw around the
> >> bones. *You could roast some boneless chicken breasts and slice it up.
> >> You will then be in control of most everything but what the chicken ate.
> >> This "one" seems so s i m p l e.
>
> >She doesn't like roasted chicken.
>
> Does she like white chicken meat stir fried? I'm pretty sure that
> stir-fried chicken with vegetables it is OK for her diet. And as a
> bonus, this type of dish freezes really well.
>
> Doris

Don't waste your time in the future giving her suggestions. She'd
find something wrong with G-d.

"Kalmia" > wrote in message
...
> On Apr 4, 11:37 pm, Doris Night > wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 14:19:25 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >"jay" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> In article >,
>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>
>> >>> For one thing she won't eat any food with bones in it. For another,
>> >>> the
>> >>> only part of a chicken she will eat is the boneless, skinless breast.
>>
>> >> I don't eat food with bones in it either. Teach her to gnaw around the
>> >> bones. You could roast some boneless chicken breasts and slice it up.
>> >> You will then be in control of most everything but what the chicken
>> >> ate.
>> >> This "one" seems so s i m p l e.
>>
>> >She doesn't like roasted chicken.
>>
>> Does she like white chicken meat stir fried? I'm pretty sure that
>> stir-fried chicken with vegetables it is OK for her diet. And as a
>> bonus, this type of dish freezes really well.
>>
>> Doris
>
> Don't waste your time in the future giving her suggestions. She'd
> find something wrong with G-d.

You disgust me.

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On 4/4/2013 11:28 AM, George M. Middius wrote:

> Shelley jumps into the fray.
>
>> Skinless boneless chicken breasts is a processed food, highly
>> processed when cooked. Most everything we eat is processed by varying
>> degrees... even fresh produce from the market is processed in that
>> it's grown/harvested using modern agri methods.
>
> This is how words and phrases lose their meanings.
>
> Does anybody recall the true meaning of "hopefully"?
>
>
>
Does anyone ever use the true meaning of the word "awful"?

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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 15:54:54 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:21:51 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:32:07 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I simply don't understand why people take everything you say so
>>>>>>personally.
>>>>>>Ok, I don't agree with everything you say but I don't feel it is my
>>>>>>mission
>>>>>>in life to haul you over the coals for it. I think some folk need a
>>>>>>whipping dog and you are it. I can just see them circling, spitting
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>snarling ...
>>>>>
>>>>> When they do, it is a reflection of their own personality.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately you are correct They certainly display it for all to
>>>> see.
>>>> I wonder why they can't see that?
>>>
>>> Julie has been offered all sorts of help here and 99%-100% of the time
>>> she spits on all the suggestions. It's not unreasonable to call
>>> somebody out on their actions when it happens so often.
>>
>>But why do you care so much?
>
> Why do you conclude that anyone cares about Julie, with all her
> weirdness she's purely fodder for usenet entertainment, and she makes
> herself so... normal brained folks wouldn't publicly advertise their
> psychoses. Julie is obviously mentally ill, anyone who doesn't see
> that is mentally ill themselves

Psychoses? Eh? What exactly do I have Dr. Sheldon?

On 4/4/2013 10:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> The problems with her bones have nothing to do with dance. She has broken
> her arm THREE times and never in dance. She did have a near stress fracture
> in her back

Not related at all to dance, but just from experience, if she's had a
possible stress fracture in her back, please please please try to get
her in the mindset to do core strengthening. My back issues were likely
due to a stress fracture that eventually degenerated and required
surgery. She's way too young to worry about that now, but she can
proactively keep up her core strength so the back issue doesn't cause
her problems later in life.

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On Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:12:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 04/04/2013 4:06 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>
>>> I don't think I am arguing. Merely stating that what *I* thought were
>>> processed foods was not nearly what the real definition of processed foods
>>> really are. And I still think that it is perfectly silly for people to say
>>> never to eat any processed foods.
>>
>> Unbelievable. No wonder you get so much flak here.
>>
>
>Don't worry. She lives for the drama, and your response was like a pat
>on the head for her.

Probably. I hope for her sake (and those around her) that she's just a
particularly talented troll. I'm having trouble believing a person
like her could actually exist IRL and not end up driving somebody to
murder.

On 4/4/2013 11:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> ObFood: Morningstar BBQ "Ribs" for dinner tonight. Wow, were those
> weird.
>
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2samfj7&s=6
>
> Note the first four ingredients: Water, Sugar, Soy, Sugar.... They
> call that an "entree"?

So there's no meat in them at all? I guess that's why you wrote "Ribs"
in quotes. What possessed you to buy these? lol

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On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/5/2013 9:58 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:21:51 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:32:07 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> I simply don't understand why people take everything you say so
>>>>> personally.
>>>>> Ok, I don't agree with everything you say but I don't feel it is my
>>>>> mission
>>>>> in life to haul you over the coals for it. I think some folk need a
>>>>> whipping dog and you are it. I can just see them circling, spitting and
>>>>> snarling ...
>>>>
>>>> When they do, it is a reflection of their own personality.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately you are correct They certainly display it for all to see.
>>> I wonder why they can't see that?
>>
>> Julie has been offered all sorts of help here and 99%-100% of the time
>> she spits on all the suggestions. It's not unreasonable to call
>> somebody out on their actions when it happens so often.
>>
>I agree with you, Steve. She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>comment.

Yup. I don't see any real bullying in her case.
From what I can see here, she actively seeks out such responses.

On 05/04/2013 6:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 4/4/2013 10:58 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> The problems with her bones have nothing to do with dance. She has
>> broken
>> her arm THREE times and never in dance. She did have a near stress
>> fracture
>> in her back
>
> Not related at all to dance, but just from experience, if she's had a
> possible stress fracture in her back, please please please try to get
> her in the mindset to do core strengthening. My back issues were likely
> due to a stress fracture that eventually degenerated and required
> surgery. She's way too young to worry about that now, but she can
> proactively keep up her core strength so the back issue doesn't cause
> her problems later in life.
>


So you really believe that the Bovine's daughter broke her arm three
times? And she is a dancer? A "near stress fracture"?? HTF do you
diagnose a "near stress fracture"? It is either broken or it is not.

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:56:30 -0700, sf > wrote:

>Dealing with Julie is like walking in a minefield. She puts things
>out there as if she's asking for suggestions and then shoots down
>every response. She has issues that seem to change and multiply and
>only she knows about them until she shoots down a suggestion. The
>most annoying part is she expects people to keep a list instead of
>setting parameters when she posts. It's a lose-lose situation for
>everyone involved. Between diabetes, food intolerances and just plain
>dislikes, there's nothing left except beans (I won't go near that
>chicken issue again). So why is she here at all?

That sums her up nicely.
Little wonder she gets the responses she does.

On 05/04/2013 6:45 PM, Jeßus wrote:

>> Don't worry. She lives for the drama, and your response was like a pat
>> on the head for her.
>
> Probably. I hope for her sake (and those around her) that she's just a
> particularly talented troll. I'm having trouble believing a person
> like her could actually exist IRL and not end up driving somebody to
> murder.
>

There is no question that there is an attention whore that exists and
uses that name to post.

On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:36:00 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:53 +0100, "Ophelia"
> wrote:
>
>> Her choice, not yours! Her life, not yours.
>
>RFC is not a therapy session either.

Indeed. And it is a public Usenet group.
She's posting here (presumably) for replies, and she's getting them.
It's not for nothing that she seems to attract a disproportionate
amount of negative reaction on the group.

On 4/3/2013 11:09 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>>
>> On 4/2/2013 9:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>> This time I went to Costco. Was able to get three different kinds of
>>> chicken for Angela. She said that she didn't like the chicken
>>> piccata but the clean plate told me otherwise. I think she just
>>> said that she didn't like it because she didn't pick it out for
>>> herself. They also had the Mediterranean chicken skewers that I know
>>> she likes but I haven't seen in a while. Not saying they didn't have
>>> them but when she and/or my husband is shopping with me, they get
>>> majorly annoyed with me if I have to look for things or take too much
>>> time. Both of them think I should be able to get in and out of the
>>> store in like 5 minutes and that's usually not realistic. I also got
>>> some pulled chicken. Not sure if she will like this brand and not
>>> going to tell her that it has liquor in it. It does say that on the
>>> label but she knows so little about liquor she won't realize.
>
> None of those things are frozen meals.

I didn't realize they weren't frozen meals. But I wouldn't select these
main dishes that are already prepared because it still screams to me of
preservatives, etc. That was the only thing that prompted me to observe
that it looked like you buy a lot of processed foods. And I'm not
talking about condiments, snacks, cereals. I'm talking about main dish
meats. I still stand by my comment but it really is up to you, and not
me, what you eat. I merely made an observation.



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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/4/2013 5:16 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 4/4/2013 10:37 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 4/4/2013 12:34 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 20:09:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is cooked chicken with no
>>>>>>> additives to it a bad thing? The chicken piccata and the
>>>>>>> Mediterranean
>>>>>>> chicken on skewers is fine. I'm not going to swear that the pulled
>>>>>>> chicken
>>>>>>> has no additive and it sure isn't on the South Beach diet plan but
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>> doesn't eat that very often either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dang, Julie... you buy so much prepared food that it makes you seem
>>>>>> like a person who works 80 hours a week making a bazillion dollars
>>>>>> (plus big bonuses), instead of being a stay at home mom living on the
>>>>>> salary of a retired military man who is working out of state at the
>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It sure doesn't sound like she cooks anything. Let's just look at one
>>>>> example of a frozen Atkins meal. (I picked one at random from the
>>>>> Atkins
>>>>> web site):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.atkins.com//Products/Froz...-Scramble.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me this isn't "processed food".
>>>>
>>>> I never said that I didn't buy processed foods. And I said I bought
>>>> these
>>>> for emergencies. She has not eaten them yet. I bought two.
>>>
>>> Just what "emergencies" require frozen Atkin's dinners?????
>>
>> If we were to have gotten snowed in and couldn't get out. That didn't
>> happen. If I had no access to a vehicle and couldn't get out to get
>> food.
>> That did happen. But I had food. If for some reason I couldn't access
>> my
>> bank account because some thief hacked it. That has currently happened!
>> Thankfully we we have other food. But... No telling how long it will
>> take
>> to resolve it.
>>
>>
> Uh huh. Snowed in or no vehicle. Except you have a vehicle. And if you
> watch the weather you should know if it's going to snow.
>
I did not have a vehicle a couple of weeks ago. It was in the shop. And it
developed an issue over the weekend. The rental car place closes at noon on
Saturday and there is no way to get a rental vehicle unless... I can
somehow get to the airport. They do have them there. But I had nobody to
drive me there. That's a long drive! And it would be difficult for me to
drive back here as well. I was unwilling to pay for Shuttle Express to take
me to the airport. That would be the only other way. Well, there are cabs
but difficult to get here and very expensive. So yes, there can be
situations where I have no vehicle. I am not on a bus route here and my
husband is not home. He is leaving there in two weeks though.

As for the snow, it did snow here a few weeks ago and it was *not*
predicted. I have learned not to put much stock in what the weatherman
says. It also rained hard enough last night to flood under our house. At
the time, the rain was so loud that it was drowing out the TV. So I looked
online and weather.com told me that we were having light rain.

I try to always be prepared. I do keep extra food in the house. Food that
will keep. I don't really care if you or anyone else here likes or doesn't
like the food. Thinks it is healthy or unhealthy or processed or
unprocessed or what. You say that you eat at the club. When you eat at a
place like that, you don't know exactly what you are eating unless perhaps
you have spoken personally to the chef and know exactly how it is prepared.
They could be serving you stuff that is prepared elsewhere or comes frozen
and you might not know. You don't know what oils they use to cook with or
what they put in the sauce.

> Bank account hacked! Is there no end to the drama?! A few years ago
> someone hijacked my bank card and used it to buy a computer. It was easy
> enough to inform the bank I didn't make that purchase. They cancelled the
> transaction, cancelled the card and issued a new one. It was a minor
> inconvenience but very quickly and easily resolved. Need money? Go into
> the bank and talk to them. IF they are aware of the problem and IF you
> have non-questioned funds available (heh) they're not going to refuse to
> give you a couple hundred bucks.

They are aware of the problem and they are working on it. Seems to be a
slow process. Someone tried to buy a computer with mine once too.
Overstock.com contacted me then. The next time it happened, I think it was
a skimmer on an ATM. The fraud department contacted me for a charge of
$1.17. Nipped that in the bud. The problems this time occurred over a
course of days with the bulk of it happening in the middle of the night.
The first part was about $300 to more than one place. Those charges still
have not posted. At the time I just assumed that my husband had used his
card. He did say that his computer was broken so this would not be
unreasonable for a computer repair, perhaps a new computer or whatever else
he might need. Sometimes I am unable to contact him. There is a time
difference where he is at and he works nights. But the next night, I was in
the account when I saw the amount drop $600. I immediately did call my
husband and it wasn't him. But I had to wait until 7:00 when the bank
opened. The fraud department had flagged my account and was watching me.
But they didn't call me till later. Meanwhile I had called the bank myself
three times. One of the merchants also called me in the middle of all this.

I did not ask the bank to give me any money. It is being resolved. What I
must do is wait and see if the charges post. And if they do, I can file a
fraud claim. Three have posted. One has been refunded. They also added
something like $60 from I don't know where. I was told that they were
slated to post today or tomorrow so I still wait. We are not destitute but
this does put a kink in some things. And I can only just straighten those
things out as they occur.
>
> Your posts make it sound like you and Angela are out shopping all the
> time. You've said *many* times if she doesn't pick it out she won't eat
> it. Who is the boss in this family? Not to mention even when she does
> choose it she often goes EWWWWW. Well honey, so do you.

No. We are not out shopping all the time. We normally have a planned trip
to Costco and Target each week. That didn't happen this week. I had to
take her last night for the pre-pointe shoes and we went to the Costco
there. I also made two trips to another store, one of which was to drop off
things for the food bank. I can say, "Ew". Angela can say, "Ew". Even you
can say, "Ew". There is no law against that. I grew up with parents and a
brother who are all picky eaters. Brother even more so than any of the
others of this. This sort of thing is perfectly normal to you. So you grew
up in different circumstances? Okay. But that doesn't give *you* the right
to tell me how I should be leading my life or especially even how to raise
my child! Heck, you were even giving me dance advice for her! What are
your credentials for raising children? Last time I checked, that task fell
to me!
>
> One reason we couldn't get along when the RFC chat room was active was
> because we'd be talking about one type of food and all you said was
> "EWWWW, I don't like that". That's what you're teaching your little
> princess.

And then someone (not you) said they didn't like me doing that. So I
stopped. And then that same person complained because I wasn't talking.
Makes it kind of hard to talk when the others are just going on and on about
a food that I do not like. I was asked not to mention that I don't like
things. So what choice did I have?

And several times the talk turned to religon. With people telling me what I
should do...related to religon. And I did not like this. And I left. And
I never returned and chances are, I never will.

I had many enjoyable chats with Boli, Killikni and Blake and some others who
shall be named. None of them ever told me what to do or tried to make me
feel that I was wrong. If they did think this, they kept it to themselves.
But it got to the point where some of the others just make me feel so bad
that I just left when they came in.

I was also in a coversation once with a male who shall not be named here.
Now that I think of it, I haven't seen him posting lately. He's perhaps a
bit of an odd duck but we seemed to get along. This other person (who
perhaps may be a mod for the chat, not sure) told him to stop doing
something that he was doing. Something that I was amused by. So clearly
personality difference there. I haven't been back to the chat. So why are
you dragging up things that happened in the past? I sat there many times
listening to you talking about your problems (and I won't repost them here),
and I tried to be polite. And people here have said "Ew" many times when I
have posted a recipe or mentioned something that I ate. I just get the
impression that you somehow thing you are better than me in some way.
Whatever. You can think that. Doesn't mean that it's true.


> Sorry but it just sounds ridiculous. Let her starve until she can figure
> out what the hell she wants to eat. Even cats will eat to keep from
> starving.

See... Again you are telling me what to do. I did not ask you for help. I
did not ask anyone for help here. I made this post because Cheryl said to
me that it seemed like I ate a lot of processed foods. This in response to
my saying that I bought three different kinds of chicken at Costco. That
prompted me to look up what processed foods were. Because in my mind,
chicken that was cooked in olive oil and seasonings with no added
preservatives didn't seem like a processed food. Now I know that any
chicken, even chicken with no seasonings and oil that has been cooked is a
processed food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:18:53 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>> Her choice, not yours! Her life, not yours.
>
> RFC is not a therapy session either.

But some people here sure are quick to diagnose others.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> If I ask for help, then I want the help. But if I haven't asked for
>> help,
>> then the help isn't help. To me it is someone else trying to get me to
>> do
>> what they want me to do. Like a control thing.
>
> yeah. Years ago, when my daughter had some problem, she would tell me
> about
> it and I would end up giving her my advice. And she would resent my
> "intrusion" and telling her what she should do. But I was just drawing on
> my life experiences to try to help her. She saw it as control...telling
> her
> what to do. Eventually I realized that she just needed to "vent" to
> someone....get her thoughts out of her system but she didn't want any
> solutions. Being a good parent is an ongoing education.
>
> In my next life, no kids. One problem solved. ;-D

Indeed! My dad will call and ask how things are going. And then if I
mention a problem, he might get upset and tell me not to tell him because
there is nothing he can do about it. I don't tell people things because I
want them to do something about it. Unless that person is a repairman or
some such thing. Some person who *can* remedy the situation. Seems that it
is human nature to try to fix things for others. I try not to do this but I
suppose at times I am guilty of it too.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "Ophelia" wrote:
>>"Gary" wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If I ask for help, then I want the help. But if I haven't asked for
>>>> help,
>>>> then the help isn't help. To me it is someone else trying to get me to
>>>> do
>>>> what they want me to do. Like a control thing.
>>>
>>> yeah. Years ago, when my daughter had some problem, she would tell me
>>> about
>>> it and I would end up giving her my advice. And she would resent my
>>> "intrusion" and telling her what she should do. But I was just drawing
>>> on
>>> my life experiences to try to help her. She saw it as control...telling
>>> her
>>> what to do. Eventually I realized that she just needed to "vent" to
>>> someone....get her thoughts out of her system but she didn't want any
>>> solutions. Being a good parent is an ongoing education.
>>
>>Beautifully said, Gary!! A lesson some people would do well to learn))
>
> Couldn't be more incorrect. Anyone who expresses that they have a
> problem in any venue (especially on usenet) should expect opinions in
> return. If they don't want to hear suggestions then they should just
> STFU. You wanna vent, make an appointment with Dr. Phil... and he
> will definitely tell you exactly where to stuff your problems. And
> most times Julie does ask for help, and then when anyone offers her
> solutions she tells them they are wrong... Julie is a troll, an
> ingrate, both... she has never yet thanked anyone for their assistance
> nor has she ever offered solutions to anyones query... Julie is a self
> centered, user-abuser.

I hardly think that Dr. Phil would be the one to vent to. I freaking can't
*stand* that man and for more reasons than one. He is a control freak to be
sure.

In this thread, I did not ask for any help at all. Did I? And yet the
replies ranged from advice on our food choices and the amount of time we
spend on shopping to my daughter's dance lessons! And the way I am raising
her in regards to her choice of being a dancer! Those things veered way off
topic and there was flat out no reason for them. And now Jill is going on
about some things I said years ago in the chat! These things have nothing
to do with processed foods. Oh and you Sheldon... You even diagnosed *me*
with something!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> I agree with you, Steve. She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
> comment.

My food intolerances and my food dislikes are not necessarily one and the
same.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> comment.
>
> I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.

Oh really? It's a FOOD newsgroup! I come here to discuss food! And then
it would seem that any post that I make always veers off into something
else. And yes I know about thread drift and all. But these things seem to
go to the extreme!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 17:11:00 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> >> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> >> comment.
>> >
>> > I often wonder what she's doing here in the first place.
>>
>> I guess she has as much right as anyone else for whatever reason anyone
>> posts. How would you like it if someone took exception to whatever you
>> posted? Perhaps you would prefer them to ignore whatever they didn't
>> like?
>> perhaps you are lucky and they do.
>> --
>
> Dealing with Julie is like walking in a minefield. She puts things
> out there as if she's asking for suggestions and then shoots down
> every response. She has issues that seem to change and multiply and
> only she knows about them until she shoots down a suggestion. The
> most annoying part is she expects people to keep a list instead of
> setting parameters when she posts. It's a lose-lose situation for
> everyone involved. Between diabetes, food intolerances and just plain
> dislikes, there's nothing left except beans (I won't go near that
> chicken issue again). So why is she here at all? The only positive I
> can glean is without her posting as herself (and sw nymshifing to talk
> to himself or annoy others), this would be a pretty much dead ng.

I don't expect anyone here to remember anything about me except perhaps for
my name. I didn't ask for any help in this thread at all. I started a post
on processed food. I eat plenty of things besides beans and I post about
them all the time. I asked about vegetable broth/stock. I got helpful
answers from several people. I will be making said broth/stock probably on
Saturday. I will then make it into a vegetable soup and yes, it will
include beans. I will be eating it with the par-baked Rosemary bread from
Coscto. Yes, *eek* a processed food. But that's what I'll be eating, like
it or not.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 05 Apr 2013 11:48:35 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/5/2013 9:58 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:21:51 +0100, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Apr 2013 22:32:07 +0100, "Ophelia"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simply don't understand why people take everything you say so
>>>>>> personally.
>>>>>> Ok, I don't agree with everything you say but I don't feel it is my
>>>>>> mission
>>>>>> in life to haul you over the coals for it. I think some folk need a
>>>>>> whipping dog and you are it. I can just see them circling, spitting
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> snarling ...
>>>>>
>>>>> When they do, it is a reflection of their own personality.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately you are correct They certainly display it for all to
>>>> see.
>>>> I wonder why they can't see that?
>>>
>>> Julie has been offered all sorts of help here and 99%-100% of the time
>>> she spits on all the suggestions. It's not unreasonable to call
>>> somebody out on their actions when it happens so often.
>>>
>> I agree with you, Steve. She has so many EWWWW food quirks (okay, let's
>> call them "intolerances") she can't possibly think no one is going to
>> comment.
>
> I can't really call her a troll. But she does beg for all this
> negative attention. And and she's good at getting it. She loves
> being acknowledged as, uh, "special".
>
> Anybody else who got beat up on Usenet as much as Julie would have
> left long ago (and we've seen plenty of examples of that here in RFC
> over the years). Julie, OTOH, just gets more encouraged.

I did get run out of the chat here. That was certainly one of the more
unpleasant experiences in my life and I will not go back there. But
newsgroups are different. I should be able to post here. And this is not
the only newsgroup to which I post. And no, you don't need to go stalking
me there and see what all I am posting there. Odd thing is, the people who
keep getting on my case here are often the same ones who go to the one
diabetes newsgroup. They dredge up things over there that I posted here and
vice versa. Yes, I have a BIG personality difference with one such person
but I am for sure not the only one who has issues with that woman. Just
makes no sense. It's as though a bunch of you here have made it a poorly
paid career to just kept dogging me. Must gain you something on some level.
I don't know. As I have said before, although my mom was a counselor, I
only made it to Psych 101.