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On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:52:33 -0800, Mark Thorson >
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>The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
>of the end at all stores everywhere.
>
>What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
>The world I knew is disappearing.


Just carry your own and be done with it. It took awhile to get in the
habit but it's actually easier this way. Unpack the bags and hang
them on the door handle and the next you go out put them back in the
car.

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On 10/24/2011 9:52 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>
> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
> The world I knew is disappearing.


A regional chain has had a $0.03/bag charge for quite some time. I
prefer the heavier canvas bags with handles anyway so I just bring some
along. They are easier to carry and the flat bottom usually prevents
stuff from spilling out in the car.

Haven't had a land line for more than 5 years. Most of our friends and
family are all on the same carrier so we can call each other anytime at
no additional cost.
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"Pete C." wrote:
>Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>> starting on Jan 1.


I don't believe their sign says all that... the typical Oriental
grocer's sign would say something like " NO FLEE BAG U BY NOW".

>Sam's and Costco don't have bags and it doesn't seem to present a
>problem. I expect they will go the way of the milkman without a whole
>lot of notice.


The sizes they sell don't work with the typical thin plastic shopping
bag, they are too large, too heavy, both... you can't use thin plastic
bags for multi-packs and cases of canned goods, they'll bust through.
The Sam's Club where I shop will give you all the corrogated cartons
you need for packing your vehicle. I keep plastic cat litter pans in
the back of my SUV and I have an ice chest. I also have a half dozen
insulated bags, they'll keep frozen foods rock hard for the 50 mile
trip home on a hot summer day. I always have a bunch of heavy plastic
bags from the post office in my vehicle too, I sometimes don't get to
my POB for a week or more so they package my mail in a nice plastic
bag. I can't imagine someone doesn't realize they are going shopping
and not to go prepared... shopping for a lot of small items just grab
your plastic laundry basket. I don't expect plastic bags when I go to
Sam's, in fact that's where I buy those bags by the case. When I shop
at Lowe's most of the items I buy won't fit in a bag.


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On 10/25/2011 9:43 AM, John Smythe wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> In >,
>> lid says...
>>>
>>> On 10/24/2011 3:52 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>>>> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>>>> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
>>>> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
>>>> The world I knew is disappearing.
>>>
>>> This is a good idea. My understanding is that you're supposed to
>>> wear a "coat of many pockets" to carry all your purchases to your
>>> car or village. Asians typically don't buy much more than they can
>>> carry anyway. :-)

>>
>> Edwards Food Warehouse used to charge for bags. Edwards is no more.
>> Aldi charges for bags. It will be interesting to see how long Aldi
>> lasts.

>
> Aldi don't charge for bags 'round here. As far as I know, never have. I'd
> probably move if I lived where you do.
>
>

Their website notes:

"To help bring you honest to goodness savings, we don't hire baggers or
bury the cost of free grocery bags in our prices. Instead, we encourage
you to bring your own. For your convenience, we do sell heavy-weight
paper grocery bags at every checkout for 6˘. If you prefer, we have big,
heavy-duty plastic shopping bags with handles (much bigger and heavier
than supermarket plastic bags) for 10˘. Insulated bags for your frozen
food items are just 99˘. We also offer a large, eco-friendly bag for
$1.99. And the empty cardboard cartons you'll find throughout the store
are yours for the taking—especially convenient if you're buying canned
goods or other heavy products! "

http://aldi.us/us/html/company/shopp...1_ENU_HTML.htm
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On 10/25/2011 9:41 AM, George wrote:
> On 10/24/2011 9:52 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
>> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
>> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>>
>> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
>> The world I knew is disappearing.

>
> A regional chain has had a $0.03/bag charge for quite some time. I
> prefer the heavier canvas bags with handles anyway so I just bring some
> along. They are easier to carry and the flat bottom usually prevents
> stuff from spilling out in the car.
>
> Haven't had a land line for more than 5 years. Most of our friends and
> family are all on the same carrier so we can call each other anytime at
> no additional cost.



I have tons of reusable grocery bags, and I love them. I use them for
shopping, and they are GREAT for storing things in the house! Fabulous
things!

Regarding land lines: the only company that provides POTS here is
Centurylink. It has no local competitor, and the price for service
reflects that. POTS unbundled with minimal standard extra features
starts at $45.00 monthly (and there is no great savings if one does
choose to bundle). Why in hell would I pay that when I can get more from
even the most cheap-ass cell carrier for half the price, or VOIP at less
than half? There are things about POTS I like, but they are overwhelmed
by the things that are onerous about the companies that provide it.
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On Oct 24, 8:52*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
> starting on Jan 1. *Presumably this is the beginning
> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>
> What's next? *Free over-the-air TV? *Land lines?
> The world I knew is disappearing.


Land lines have never been free, as far as I know.

N.


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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:25:22 -0400, "J. Clarke"
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> I bet your "Aldi" doesn't require a deposit on shopping carts either.
>

Coin carts are replaced by carts that go "lame" when they cross an
invisible fence. Parking lots are tight around here, so if you see a
parking space outside the lot and close to the store, you take it if
you don't want to chance dings on your car. Better not buy more than
two bags of groceries when you do that.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888
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> In the Midwest, Aldi has lasted a third of a century so far. At first
> they didn't even sell bags -- you could use empty boxes, or just throw
> your shopping into the trunk, a la Costco. Costco's doing OK, too.


It sounds awful.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:05:42 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
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> The stores around here that want you to use the reusable bags offer a
> $0.05 discount per bag that you use. It isn't big enough to hurt them,
> but it is enough to make the customer feel good about it. That is a
> much better method to increase their usage and discourage the use of
> disposable bags than penalizing the customer for something that is part
> of the cost of doing business for the company.


I like that carrot too.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:16:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
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>> Aldi don't charge for bags 'round here. As far as I know, never have.
>> I'd probably move if I lived where you do.

>
>
>They used to in PA. Don't know if they still do. Also common on the East
>coast was a charge for a shopping cart.


We carry our own bags so I could care less about the charge. As far
as the cart deposit I'd rather lend them a quarter than shop someplace
that has the big pipes in the walk so you can't wheel it to the car.
If you shop alone you have to leave your cart unattended to get the
car.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:07:42 -0700, Ranée at Arabian Knits
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> Which is why I specifically ask for plastic bags for meats or seafood
> when I get them. I don't get the discount for that bag, but it means I
> don't have to worry about spills on the fabric bags.


Your store doesn't have plastic vegetable bags in the meat section for
you to put your meats in? Properly bagged, they don't leak and are
just fine in reusable bags.

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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
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> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>
> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
> The world I knew is disappearing.


I don't mind paying for bags, as much as I mind the pink Asian bags. In
Massachusetts
the color pink means you're ***.


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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:50:39 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:26:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I can stick my groceries in 3-4 bags where I
> > > would have had a dozen or more, some with only one or two items. It is
> > > so much easier to manage.

> >
> > I disliked those !@#$%^&* plastic bags from the gitgo.

>
> But, remember? They were better for the environment than using
> paper!!! Oh, wait....


They didn't dare use that argument down here, it was simple economics.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:51:56 +0200, "ViLco" > wrote:

> Expecially when buying heavy things like glass bottles, be it tomato
> preserve or wine.


They have reusable six pack bags for wine similar sized bottles too.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:48:14 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
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> Since the customer has to pay for the reusable bags in the first
> place, it is a kick in the teeth. The company is passing on cost of
> doing business directly to their customer, on top of including it in the
> prices on the products. That would be like going to Nordstrom's and
> getting a light bill along with your lipstick purchase.


I don't mind paying $1 for a really nice reusable bag. I have nice
big, deep, flat bottomed ones that we got from Safeway a few years
ago. I know I don't like Trader Joe's bags because they aren't big
enough for me, but I need to start looking around for replacements
because I've had them so long they're wearing out now.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:57:41 +0200, "ViLco" > wrote:

> spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> > Plastic grocery store bags with handles were a Godsend. But now we'll
> > have to wash the blood out of our grocery bags so we can reuse them.

>
> Do you really shop in places that do not correctly wrap meat and then get
> home with blood on the bottom of the bags?!? Reusable bags or not I would
> never shop the it is gross and very anti-higienic.
>

Most people grab plastic bags from the vegetable aisle to bag their
meats in (if they aren't provided in the meat section) before they
ever get to the checkout counter.

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On 25/10/2011 12:00 AM, sf wrote:

>
> TJ's up here in NorCal have a carrot for you to bring your own bag.
> They give you a ticket to fill out for a $25 drawing at the end of the
> week. Hey, I'll never win... but it's fun to think I could.
>


LOL, You never know. It was abut 10 years ago that my SiL was getting
remarried so I cleaned up my van and found a $5 bill. Then I went to
the gas station to fill, and that place gives out free lottery tickets
with every 40 liters of gas you buy. I checked my old ticket and
discovered that I had won $5. It's not much, but after finding $5 and
winning $5 I was up $10 and figured I was on a role. Then I got home
and my SiL phones to say that her daughter had just won $1 million on a
scratch and win ticket. It sure knocked the wind out of my $10 sail.
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:57:16 -0400, Dave Smith
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> Then I got home
> and my SiL phones to say that her daughter had just won $1 million on a
> scratch and win ticket. It sure knocked the wind out of my $10 sail.


Or you could say your extended family was on a lucky streak too! I
hope her DD invested wisely and didn't blow it all immediately.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:38:42 -0400, "Christopher M."
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> I don't mind paying for bags, as much as I mind the pink Asian bags. In
> Massachusetts the color pink means you're ***.
>

It only means you're *** if you *are* ***.

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Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >,
> "John Smythe" > wrote:
>
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> Edwards Food Warehouse used to charge for bags. Edwards is no more.
>>> Aldi charges for bags. It will be interesting to see how long Aldi
>>> lasts.

>>
>> Aldi don't charge for bags 'round here. As far as I know, never
>> have. I'd probably move if I lived where you do.

>
> The stores around here that want you to use the reusable bags offer
> a $0.05 discount per bag that you use. It isn't big enough to hurt
> them, but it is enough to make the customer feel good about it. That
> is a much better method to increase their usage and discourage the
> use of disposable bags than penalizing the customer for something
> that is part of the cost of doing business for the company.


I like that idea. I do a lot of my shopping at places like Sam's and
Restaurant Depot. None of them even think about supplying bags. For
smaller things, I do use the cloth bags when I actually remember to take
them into the store, but usually I just unload the cart into the car or
truck. No problems.


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On 10/25/2011 3:21 AM, jmcquown wrote:
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> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/24/2011 3:05 PM, Andy wrote:
>>>
>>> There was a movie, I forget the name or the actor. He was in a large
>>> supermarket in an overcoat and he shopped and put everything in his
>>> overcoat. He didn't stop to check-out. You almost thought he was
>>> shoplifting but on his way out of the door an airport like metal
>>> detector
>>> scanned every item on him, totalled it and put it on his credit card
>>> bill.
>>>
>>> I thought that was a very high tech idea!!!
>>>
>>> Should happen, someday!

>>
>> It's entirely possible to stick RFID doo-hickys on most things. I like
>> the idea of just walking out with your stuff a lot. Sign me up. :-)
>>

>
> Depends on where you live, I guess. What do you do when it's hot
> outside? Carry a coat with lots of pockets around with you? LOL
>
> Jill


Oddly enough, distributing the load evenly on the jacket of many
pockets, even 20-30 lbs of stuff can be carried easily. On hot days, you
wear a coat of many pickets and vents.


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"ViLco" > wrote in message
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> Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
>
>>>> Plastic grocery store bags with handles were a Godsend. But now we'll
>>>> have to wash the blood out of our grocery bags so we can reuse them.

>
>>> Do you really shop in places that do not correctly wrap meat and
>>> then get home with blood on the bottom of the bags?!? Reusable bags
>>> or not I would never shop the it is gross and very anti-higienic.

>
>> Sometimes, even the shrink wrapped packages leak. It happens.

>
> It happened to me also, but it was an exceptional situation. I can't think
> about shopping in a place where it happens normally.


Then I guess you wouldn't shop here at all!


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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:48:14 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
> > wrote:
>
>> Since the customer has to pay for the reusable bags in the first
>> place, it is a kick in the teeth. The company is passing on cost of
>> doing business directly to their customer, on top of including it in the
>> prices on the products. That would be like going to Nordstrom's and
>> getting a light bill along with your lipstick purchase.

>
> I don't mind paying $1 for a really nice reusable bag. I have nice
> big, deep, flat bottomed ones that we got from Safeway a few years
> ago. I know I don't like Trader Joe's bags because they aren't big
> enough for me, but I need to start looking around for replacements
> because I've had them so long they're wearing out now.


I got my TJ's bag about 7 years ago. I still have it. It's one of the
biggest and sturdiest that I have. They quit making them like that though.


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> "Pete C." wrote:
>>Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>
>>> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>>> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>>> starting on Jan 1.

>
> I don't believe their sign says all that... the typical Oriental
> grocer's sign would say something like " NO FLEE BAG U BY NOW".
>
>>Sam's and Costco don't have bags and it doesn't seem to present a
>>problem. I expect they will go the way of the milkman without a whole
>>lot of notice.

>
> The sizes they sell don't work with the typical thin plastic shopping
> bag, they are too large, too heavy, both... you can't use thin plastic
> bags for multi-packs and cases of canned goods, they'll bust through.
> The Sam's Club where I shop will give you all the corrogated cartons
> you need for packing your vehicle. I keep plastic cat litter pans in
> the back of my SUV and I have an ice chest. I also have a half dozen
> insulated bags, they'll keep frozen foods rock hard for the 50 mile
> trip home on a hot summer day. I always have a bunch of heavy plastic
> bags from the post office in my vehicle too, I sometimes don't get to
> my POB for a week or more so they package my mail in a nice plastic
> bag. I can't imagine someone doesn't realize they are going shopping
> and not to go prepared... shopping for a lot of small items just grab
> your plastic laundry basket. I don't expect plastic bags when I go to
> Sam's, in fact that's where I buy those bags by the case. When I shop
> at Lowe's most of the items I buy won't fit in a bag.


I do have Costco bags. They're so horking huge it is difficult to lug a
fully filled one in the house. I did have to pay for them but they were
cheap.


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On Oct 24, 9:12*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
> On 10/24/2011 3:05 PM, Andy wrote:
>
>
>
> > There was a movie, I forget the name or the actor. He was in a large
> > supermarket in an overcoat and he shopped and put everything in his
> > overcoat. He didn't stop to check-out. You almost thought he was
> > shoplifting but on his way out of the door an airport like metal detector
> > scanned every item on him, totalled it and put it on his credit card
> > bill.

>
> > I thought that was a very high tech idea!!!

>
> > Should happen, someday!

>
> It's entirely possible to stick RFID doo-hickys on most things. I like
> the idea of just walking out with your stuff a lot. Sign me up. :-)
>


I would think it would be easier to design a shopping cart that when
you drop an item in, the cart automatically scans the bar code and
gives you a running total as you shop, and when you get to the check
out, you simply pay for what the cart says the final total is.
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On 10/25/2011 2:56 PM, Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In >, >
> wrote:
>
>> I think their cart deposit requirement is a good thing because it
>> encourages folks to return the carts. I get really tired of the slobs
>> who can't walk 20' to put a cart in the cart corral.

>
> While I actually appreciate those slobs, at least if they put them
> kind of out of the way in the parking lot. It means i can grab a cart
> right next to the car, dump my purse in it, put a child in the seat,
> have everyone else hook up to the sides and go.
>


Depends, I live in a mountainous area and most parking lots have a
grade. I just picked up a few items on the way home and I saw a typical
incident. A woman put her one bag into a big SUV and left the cart just
far enough away so she could back out. The wind caught the cart and it
raced across the lot and slammed into a car at a good rate of speed.

The particular store has a bunch of cart corrals so it isn't a big event
to either get a cart or put it back when finished.


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"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 09:16:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
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>>
>>"John Smythe" > wrote in message

>
>>> Aldi don't charge for bags 'round here. As far as I know, never have.
>>> I'd probably move if I lived where you do.

>>
>>
>>They used to in PA. Don't know if they still do. Also common on the East
>>coast was a charge for a shopping cart.

>
> We carry our own bags so I could care less about the charge. As far
> as the cart deposit I'd rather lend them a quarter than shop someplace
> that has the big pipes in the walk so you can't wheel it to the car.
> If you shop alone you have to leave your cart unattended to get the
> car.


Oh yeah. We had those pipes in NY. Here it is not like that. They put
sensors in the parking lot and on the carts. If you try to take them too
far away the wheels lock up. Of course that doesn't prevent a person with a
truck from coming in and stealing the carts. I would assume they know how
to remove the sensors since they also know how to strip them down of all
store markings to resell them.


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"Christopher M." > wrote in message
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> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
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>> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
>> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>>
>> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
>> The world I knew is disappearing.

>
> I don't mind paying for bags, as much as I mind the pink Asian bags. In
> Massachusetts
> the color pink means you're ***.


What? Since when? I lived there and never heard any such thing.


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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:57:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
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> They quit making them like that though.


That's something I didn't want to hear.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:59:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
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> I do have Costco bags. They're so horking huge it is difficult to lug a
> fully filled one in the house. I did have to pay for them but they were
> cheap.


I didn't realize Costco sold bags. Do they still sell them?

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:44:24 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:48:14 -0700, Ranee at Arabian Knits
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>> Since the customer has to pay for the reusable bags in the first
>> place, it is a kick in the teeth. The company is passing on cost of
>> doing business directly to their customer, on top of including it in the
>> prices on the products. That would be like going to Nordstrom's and
>> getting a light bill along with your lipstick purchase.

>
>I don't mind paying $1 for a really nice reusable bag. I have nice
>big, deep, flat bottomed ones that we got from Safeway a few years
>ago. I know I don't like Trader Joe's bags because they aren't big
>enough for me, but I need to start looking around for replacements
>because I've had them so long they're wearing out now.


About two years ago, Home Depot started carrying big nylon(?) bags
with an elastic top and a locking closure, for 99 cents. Orange, what
else? I bought six, used 'em a little while, bought six more. Dunno
if they've raised the price yet, but even if they have I'll probably
buy more.

Every checker and bagger in Kroger knows me---or at least knows those
bags. They hold as much as three or four of the grocery's plastic
bags. They can be filled right to the top with almost anything and
they won't tear or break. Glass and cans are no problem. Usually a
week's groceries can be carried in four bags. (Also great for younger
daughter's move to an apartment.)

FWIW they're washed only if something has actually spilled or oozed
onto them. BTW the same bags (okay, they're red) may be found in
Office Depot for $3-4.

I like 'em much better than the ordinary rectangular paper-bag-sized
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On Oct 24, 9:52*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
> starting on Jan 1. *Presumably this is the beginning
> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>


If it keeps the prices down and cuts down on the trash problem, I'm
all for it. I schlep in big canvas totes now - easier to load and
handle than those finger-cutting plastic bags anyway.

My local Savealot has charged for bags for years.
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On 10/25/2011 1:38 PM, Christopher M. wrote:
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> ...
>> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
>> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
>> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
>> of the end at all stores everywhere.
>>
>> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
>> The world I knew is disappearing.

>
> I don't mind paying for bags, as much as I mind the pink Asian bags. In
> Massachusetts
> the color pink means you're ***.
>
>
> W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
>
>

I though purple was the color?

Most of the Asian markets I visit use red bags with black printing. One
has white bags with their logo in color.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:55:40 -0500, Terry >
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> About two years ago, Home Depot started carrying big nylon(?) bags
> with an elastic top and a locking closure, for 99 cents. Orange, what
> else? I bought six, used 'em a little while, bought six more. Dunno
> if they've raised the price yet, but even if they have I'll probably
> buy more.


I've got a couple of those, but I just want simple black bags -
nothing printed (like Trader Joe's) or glows in the dark (Home Depot).

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:05:25 -0400, George >
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> On 10/25/2011 1:38 PM, Christopher M. wrote:
> > "Mark > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> The closest Asian food store now has signs at the
> >> checkstands saying bags will no longer be free
> >> starting on Jan 1. Presumably this is the beginning
> >> of the end at all stores everywhere.
> >>
> >> What's next? Free over-the-air TV? Land lines?
> >> The world I knew is disappearing.

> >
> > I don't mind paying for bags, as much as I mind the pink Asian bags. In
> > Massachusetts
> > the color pink means you're ***.
> >
> >
> > W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)
> >
> >

> I though purple was the color?
>
> Most of the Asian markets I visit use red bags with black printing. One
> has white bags with their logo in color.


I know the pink bags he's talking about. I like them, but I'm not
doubting my gender either.

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On 10/25/2011 9:35 AM, Andy wrote:
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>
>> Oddly enough, distributing the load evenly on the jacket of many
>> pockets, even 20-30 lbs of stuff can be carried easily. On hot days, you
>> wear a coat of many pickets and vents.

>
>
> And just buy ice cream then race home!?!
>
> Andy


This is a good idea. On hot days you could fill the pockets with
Klondike bars and that trip home will be most pleasant. Our Safeway now
sells Klondike bars in big 24 unit boxes for something like $13. I've
bought two of those. I don't even know why since I'm not that big of a
fan of the things.
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