"Farm to table"

What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".

"Pete C." <>
> "Farm to table"
>
> What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".

It ranks right there with 'Garden Fresh' salad. As compared to what?
Anybody growing vegetables on the asphalt parking lot at the gas station?
And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
been one with no crust. Polly

On Jul 10, 7:43*pm, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
>
> And then there's *'serve with crusty bread'. *I've been baking bread for
> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
> been one with no crust.

I think that "crusty" refers to a high gluten bread that has been
brushed with egg.

>*Polly

--Bryan

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:59:15 -0700 (PDT), Bryan
> wrote:

> On Jul 10, 7:43*pm, "Polly Esther" > wrote:
> >
> > And then there's *'serve with crusty bread'. *I've been baking bread for
> > decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
> > been one with no crust.
>
> I think that "crusty" refers to a high gluten bread that has been
> brushed with egg.
>
Egg? NO. The crust is thick and crispy, that's what it means.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

"Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio

> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
> been one with no crust. Polly

And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not crusty
bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and a French
baguette?

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
>> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has
>> there been one with no crust. Polly
>
> And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not
> crusty bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and a
> French baguette?

How do they make Uncrustables?

"Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> "Giusi" < wrote in message
>> "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>>> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
>>> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has
>>> there been one with no crust. Polly
>>
>> And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not
>> crusty bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and a
>> French baguette?
>
> How do they make Uncrustables?

I never heard of such a thing. Why would one want it?

On 7/11/2011 6:52 AM, Giusi wrote:
> "Julie > ha scritto nel messaggio

>> How do they make Uncrustables?
>
> I never heard of such a thing. Why would one want it?

If you can believe it, they're peanut butter and jelly sandwiches
from the freezer section. Boggles the mind.

nancy

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:52:28 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> > "Giusi" < wrote in message
> >> "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
> >>
> >>> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
> >>> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has
> >>> there been one with no crust. Polly
> >>
> >> And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not
> >> crusty bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and a
> >> French baguette?
> >
> > How do they make Uncrustables?
>
> I never heard of such a thing. Why would one want it?
>
I had to look that one up too. http://www.smuckersuncrustables.com/
Yuck!

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Giusi wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>> "Giusi" < wrote in message
>>> "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>
>>>> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking
>>>> bread for decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but
>>>> never, ever has there been one with no crust. Polly
>>>
>>> And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not
>>> crusty bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and
>>> a French baguette?
>>
>> How do they make Uncrustables?
>
> I never heard of such a thing. Why would one want it?

Because apparently most kids don't like crust on their sandwiches. They
come frozen.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:55:42 +0200, "Giusi" >
wrote:

>
> "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> > And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
> > decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
> > been one with no crust. Polly
>
> And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not crusty
> bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and a French
> baguette?
>
I don't think she knows what it means. Remember, most of America
doesn't like a crust any crunchier than the bread's interior, so
that's the only choice they have when they buy a loaf.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:55:42 +0200, Giusi wrote:

> "Polly Esther" > ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
>> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
>> been one with no crust. Polly
>
> And you cannot tyell the difference between a crusty bread and a not crusty
> bread? Can you tell the difference between a hotdog bun and a French
> baguette?

possibly not. they both have crusts!

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:43:36 -0500, Polly Esther wrote:

> And then there's 'serve with crusty bread'. I've been baking bread for
> decades and have turned out some doorstop bricks but never, ever has there
> been one with no crust. Polly

is this suggestion really difficult for you to understand?

blake

Pete C. > wrote:

>"Farm to table"

>What the hell is that supposed to mean?

It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
a commodity product of arbitrary origin.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Pete C. > wrote:
>
> >"Farm to table"
>
> >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>
> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.

No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
decided to try to redefine it as. Farm to table means that it was grown
on a farm and ended up on my table.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:12:40 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> Steve Pope wrote:
> >
> > Pete C. > wrote:
> >
> > >"Farm to table"
> >
> > >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
> >
> > It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
> > grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
> > a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
>
> No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
> decided to try to redefine it as. Farm to table means that it was grown
> on a farm and ended up on my table.

That's the literal sense... but Steve is right.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:12:40 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Steve Pope wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete C. > wrote:
> > >
> > > >"Farm to table"
> > >
> > > >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
> > >
> > > It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
> > > grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
> > > a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
> >
> > No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
> > decided to try to redefine it as. Farm to table means that it was grown
> > on a farm and ended up on my table.
>
> That's the literal sense... but Steve is right.

The literal sense is the only one that matters. If I said "loom to body"
would you in any way accept that as meaning clothing produced at a local
mill (if there was such a thing as a local mill)? Of course not, since
it's just as nonsensical as trying to claim that "farm to table" somehow
means locally grown. Use the f'ing language properly and call it
"locally grown".

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:16:10 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

> Use the f'ing language properly and call it "locally grown".

That's fine with me and I hear the term used all the time.


--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Pete C. > wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>> >"Farm to table"
>>
>> >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>>
>> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
>> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
>> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.

>No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
>decided to try to redefine it as.

Yes, the Great Redefinition of November 1, 2009, when all food terminology
was turned on its head. The Knights Templar were behind that one. After
inducting Michael Pollan as a member. You're entirely right to push back
against this.


Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Pete C. > wrote:
>
> >Steve Pope wrote:
>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Farm to table"
> >>
> >> >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
> >>
> >> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
> >> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
> >> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
>
> >No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
> >decided to try to redefine it as.
>
> Yes, the Great Redefinition of November 1, 2009, when all food terminology
> was turned on its head. The Knights Templar were behind that one. After
> inducting Michael Pollan as a member. You're entirely right to push back
> against this.

No, I'm quite sure such an absurd term came out of the diseased brain of
some stoner gen Xer.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:36:20 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

> Steve Pope wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>>>Steve Pope wrote:
>>
>>>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Farm to table"
>>>>
>>>> >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>>>>
>>>> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
>>>> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
>>>> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
>>
>>>No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
>>>decided to try to redefine it as.
>>
>> Yes, the Great Redefinition of November 1, 2009, when all food terminology
>> was turned on its head. The Knights Templar were behind that one. After
>> inducting Michael Pollan as a member. You're entirely right to push back
>> against this.
>
> No, I'm quite sure such an absurd term came out of the diseased brain of
> some stoner gen Xer.

probably lives in the filthy city as well.

blake

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:00:46 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:

> Pete C. > wrote:
>
>>Steve Pope wrote:
>
>>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Farm to table"
>>>
>>> >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
>>>
>>> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
>>> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
>>> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
>
>>No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
>>decided to try to redefine it as.
>
> Yes, the Great Redefinition of November 1, 2009, when all food terminology
> was turned on its head. The Knights Templar were behind that one. After
> inducting Michael Pollan as a member. You're entirely right to push back
> against this.
>
> Steve

i think he should go down to the market and set himself on fire over this
****ing outrage.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 04:00:46 +0000 (UTC), Steve Pope wrote:
>
> > Pete C. > wrote:
> >
> >>Steve Pope wrote:
> >
> >>> Pete C. > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >"Farm to table"
> >>>
> >>> >What the hell is that supposed to mean?
> >>>
> >>> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
> >>> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
> >>> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
> >
> >>No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
> >>decided to try to redefine it as.
> >
> > Yes, the Great Redefinition of November 1, 2009, when all food terminology
> > was turned on its head. The Knights Templar were behind that one. After
> > inducting Michael Pollan as a member. You're entirely right to push back
> > against this.
> >
> > Steve
>
> i think he should go down to the market and set himself on fire over this
> ****ing outrage.
>
> your pal,
> blake

You first. I'll get my camera.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:12:40 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Steve Pope wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
> >>
> >>>"Farm to table"
> >>
> >>>What the hell is that supposed to mean?
> >>
> >> It means that the restaurant has knowledge of which particular farmer
> >> grew or raised the product they are serving, as opposed to it being
> >> a commodity product of arbitrary origin.
> >
> > No, that's not what it means, that's what some idiot propagandist
> > decided to try to redefine it as. Farm to table means that it was grown
> > on a farm and ended up on my table.
>
> So much hatred over a simple term that you don't want to understand.
>
> You oughta the name of my local market:
>
> http://www.fm1718.com/
>
> Guess what the FM stand for? It's been in use in Texas for about 60
> years.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farm-to-market_road
>
> -sw

I'm well aware of the FM roads, and that name is logical. The idea that
"farm to table" has any correlation whatsoever with the idea of locally
grown produce is absurd.

On Jul 10, 7:17*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> "Farm to table"
>
> What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".

LOL! Nice rant.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
.com...
>
> "Farm to table"
>
> What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
----------------------

I assume it means you are a farmer, you grew it then picked it and put in on
the table. Or in a pot. What's the big deal with that expression?

Jill

On Jul 12, 11:16*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>
> .com...
>
> > "Farm to table"
>
> > What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> > to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> > that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> > When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> > Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
>
> ----------------------
>
> I assume it means you are a farmer, you grew it then picked it and put in on
> the table. *Or in a pot. *What's the big deal with that expression?

The big deal comes when it's in a vacuum pack in the freezer section.
Food lingo is full of that crap. Some "health foods" use "evaporated
cane juice" instead of sugar. Stuff is called "crispy" when "crisp"
would be a lie. Ingredients are called "creme" when "cream" would be a
lie. Crisp cream is impossible, but "Krispy Kreme" is supposed to be
appealing. It makes me want to SCREAM.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 08:30:08 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Avins >
wrote:

> "Krispy Kreme" is supposed to be
> appealing. It makes me want to SCREAM.

Well, *somebody* bought it. I remember when it was all the rage and
talked about quite a bit (in the good sense) right here.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On 12/07/2011 11:16 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> .com...
>>
>> "Farm to table"
>>
>> What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
>> to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
>> that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
>> When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
>> Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
> ----------------------
>
> I assume it means you are a farmer, you grew it then picked it and put
> in on the table. Or in a pot. What's the big deal with that expression?


At worst, it may be somewhat misleading. Perhaps they are not quite so
fresh as people may believe. Having grown up with a vegetable garden in
the back and currently living in farm country where there are lots of
fresh produce stands, I have benefited from the wonderful taste of fresh
fruit and vegetables.

There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
while, but the quality drops quickly. Peaches and sweet cherries are are
better fresh off the tree than even a day or two after picking. Sour
cherries should be eaten or processed within an hour or two pf picking.
They do not last more than a day or two before they start to rot.
One of of the selling points of organic produce is supposed to be that
it is grown locally and has nothing added to make it ship better.... or
so they would have us believe. I am sure that most people are wqell
aware that out of season produce has been shipped a long way.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:35:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
> as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
> while, but the quality drops quickly.

Well, I did too and I can say that even at the time I thought most of
that was folklore mixed in with a lot of total BS. Corn doesn't taste
any better picked fresh off the stalk than it does the next day, ditto
asparagus. Peas never tasted good although I did like scraping the
pods with my teeth as I shucked them.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:35:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>> There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
>> as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
>> while, but the quality drops quickly.
>
>Well, I did too and I can say that even at the time I thought most of
>that was folklore mixed in with a lot of total BS. Corn doesn't taste
>any better picked fresh off the stalk than it does the next day,

That depends, in great measure, on the variety. 30 years ago there
were no varieties that didn't go downhill rapidly. Now there are
many. Sadly, on occasion, I can get better corn from my
supermarket, where it is likely 3-4 days old, than from the farmers
market where they picked it that morning.

But I've never had better corn than that I grew 20 years ago and
didn't pick until the water was on the stove.

>ditto asparagus. Peas never tasted good although I did like scraping the
>pods with my teeth as I shucked them.

I've only grown the edible-podded varieties in recent history. I
pick them just as they start to show bumps. Stir fry or raw in
salads is the only way I fix them. No matter what you do to
them-- they are only good [IMO] for a few hours after picking.

The best shelled peas I find are frozen. [And since I was being
overrun by them in the freezer- we're have fresh pea soup for supper.]

Jim

On 12/07/2011 1:28 PM, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:35:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
>> as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
>> while, but the quality drops quickly.
>
> Well, I did too and I can say that even at the time I thought most of
> that was folklore mixed in with a lot of total BS. Corn doesn't taste
> any better picked fresh off the stalk than it does the next day, ditto
> asparagus. Peas never tasted good although I did like scraping the
> pods with my teeth as I shucked them.
>


Sorry but you are wrong on all three counts. Freshly picked corn does
taste better than it will the next day, and asparagus degrades.Its
sugars start turning into starch after picking. As for peas..... they
are almost always wonderful.... even canned. It is hard to hull fresh
peas without eating some of them raw. You would not be so tempted with
peas that are a few days old.

Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 12/07/2011 1:28 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:35:39 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
>>> as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
>>> while, but the quality drops quickly.
>>
>> Well, I did too and I can say that even at the time I thought most of
>> that was folklore mixed in with a lot of total BS. Corn doesn't taste
>> any better picked fresh off the stalk than it does the next day, ditto
>> asparagus. Peas never tasted good although I did like scraping the
>> pods with my teeth as I shucked them.
>>
>
>
> Sorry but you are wrong on all three counts. Freshly picked corn does
> taste better than it will the next day, and asparagus degrades.Its sugars
> start turning into starch after picking. As for peas..... they are
> almost always wonderful.... even canned. It is hard to hull fresh peas
> without eating some of them raw. You would not be so tempted with peas
> that are a few days old.

Not completely true about corn. Freshly picked corn is certainly "Sweeter"
but may not taste better. Most corn that is sold in super markets are of
SH2 super sweet hybrid corn. The SH2 maybe too sweet for many to like just
after being picked. After a few days the corn might have just the right
sweetness. I also find super sweet corn varieties just does not have that
"Corn" taste. The super sweet varieties is like eating a piece of candy.

Regular non hybrid sweet corn will taste best soon as one picks the corn.
Regular sweet corn will also retain that better "Corn" flavor unlike the
over powering sweetness of the super sweet corn of the SH2 varieties that
are designed for the mass market. If you want good corn, grow your own.
Also the SH2 varieties do not hold up as well for canning. Non hybrid sweet
corn can be persevered much better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_corn

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

On 7/12/2011 8:49 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 12/07/2011 1:28 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:35:39 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
>>> as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
>>> while, but the quality drops quickly.
>>
>> Well, I did too and I can say that even at the time I thought most of
>> that was folklore mixed in with a lot of total BS. Corn doesn't taste
>> any better picked fresh off the stalk than it does the next day, ditto
>> asparagus. Peas never tasted good although I did like scraping the
>> pods with my teeth as I shucked them.
>>
>
>
> Sorry but you are wrong on all three counts. Freshly picked corn does
> taste better than it will the next day, and asparagus degrades.Its
> sugars start turning into starch after picking. As for peas..... they
> are almost always wonderful.... even canned. It is hard to hull fresh
> peas without eating some of them raw. You would not be so tempted with
> peas that are a few days old.
>
I don't really disagree but selective breeding *has* improved the
keeping qualities of sweet corn, especially the white varieties that are
very acceptable after a day or so especially if the cobs have been kept
reasonably cool.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not*

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:49:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> On 12/07/2011 1:28 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:35:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> There are some products that are best eaten just as soon after picking
> >> as possible, like asparagus and some types of peas. They may keep for a
> >> while, but the quality drops quickly.
> >
> > Well, I did too and I can say that even at the time I thought most of
> > that was folklore mixed in with a lot of total BS. Corn doesn't taste
> > any better picked fresh off the stalk than it does the next day, ditto
> > asparagus. Peas never tasted good although I did like scraping the
> > pods with my teeth as I shucked them.
> >
>
>
> Sorry but you are wrong on all three counts. Freshly picked corn does
> taste better than it will the next day, and asparagus degrades.Its
> sugars start turning into starch after picking. As for peas..... they
> are almost always wonderful.... even canned. It is hard to hull fresh
> peas without eating some of them raw. You would not be so tempted with
> peas that are a few days old.

Sorry Dave, I lived it and I KNOW it's all bullshit. Sorry you were
so brainwashed, but you were.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> .com...
> >
> > "Farm to table"
> >
> > What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> > to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> > that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> > When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> > Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
> ----------------------
>
> I assume it means you are a farmer, you grew it then picked it and put in on
> the table. Or in a pot. What's the big deal with that expression?

Your assumption is incorrect. As noted, the food propagandists are
trying to use "farm to table" to somehow denote typically restaurants
using locally grown ingredients. Do a search and you will find many
idiotic references to "farm to table restaurants".

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:07:41 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > "Pete C." > wrote in message
> > .com...
> > >
> > > "Farm to table"
> > >
> > > What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> > > to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> > > that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> > > When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> > > Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
> > ----------------------
> >
> > I assume it means you are a farmer, you grew it then picked it and put in on
> > the table. Or in a pot. What's the big deal with that expression?
>
> Your assumption is incorrect. As noted, the food propagandists are
> trying to use "farm to table" to somehow denote typically restaurants
> using locally grown ingredients. Do a search and you will find many
> idiotic references to "farm to table restaurants".

I don't know what you're getting yourself into a lather over and don't
particularly care; but originally it meant the restaurant was dealing
directly with the grower.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:17:08 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > "Farm to table"
> >
> > What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> > to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> > that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> > When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> > Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
>
> I think a perfectly good term to describe produce that doesn't go
> through several states, countries, brokers, shippers, and other
> assorted middlemen on it's way to your table. Many SC's do indeed go
> right from the farm to your table.
>
> Why do you hate it so much? Is it really worth hating that much?

It's a nonsensical term. All produce ultimately goes from a farm to a
(dinner) table, whether that table is on the farm itself or 10,000 miles
away.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:57:19 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:17:08 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Farm to table"
> >>>
> >>> What the hell is that supposed to mean? They try to use it in reference
> >>> to locally grown produce, but where the hell does anyone think produce
> >>> that is not in season locally comes from, the f'n Start Trek replicator?
> >>> When item X is not in season locally, it comes from a farm (in Mexico,
> >>> Peru, wherever) to my damned table, "farm to table".
> >>
> >> I think a perfectly good term to describe produce that doesn't go
> >> through several states, countries, brokers, shippers, and other
> >> assorted middlemen on it's way to your table. Many SC's do indeed go
> >> right from the farm to your table.
> >>
> >> Why do you hate it so much? Is it really worth hating that much?
> >
> > It's a nonsensical term.
>
> No, it's not. It describes a more direct path from the farm, to your
> table and a lack of middle-men that conglomerate produce goes though.
>
> Why is that so hard for you to wrap your widdle head around this
> concept? You're convinced it makes no sense and won't listen to
> reason so you go right ahead and remain a ignorant putz.
>
> -sw

It's a dumb ass corruption of the language. If you want to say "locally
grown" say "locally grown", don't hack up a nonsense construction like
"farm to table" and claim it somehow means the same thing.