On 2011-07-06, Jim Elbrecht > wrote:

> Phew!<BEG> - Did you see the Jon Stewart bit on the Trump/Palin
> pizza fiasco?
> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/we...th-crazy-broad
> [the first 1/2 minute is political-- the rest is pure pizza]

Hilarious! Thanks fer that.

nb

knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of the
worlds biggest stress reducers...

Lee
"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 5, 6:29 pm, "cshenk" > wrote:

> The glory of owning is you can do what you want. The pain is no one
> fixes it for you no matter what it is. You build equity but you can be
> hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.



Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn there's
something to pay. Everything has its positives and negatives, and
when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. But
with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
It's not a contest or argument. I can see the positives either way.
The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. But
even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
house. Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
blowing air out or in. I think of people who live in really huge
homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
with you. You buy a big home, you need a big fence. Then something
to guard the fence. Then something to guard the things guarding the
fence. That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.

TJ

as long as you don't say "eat it, its good for you"

i just hate that one, lol, Lee
"Tommy Joe" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 5, 10:41 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:

> My method is to put some olive oil in a skillet over medium-high heat.
> When
> the oil is hot, I add sliced onions and bell peppers, cooking until
> they're
> softened. Then I lower the heat and add sliced leftover steak, stirring it
> around briefly. I put a slice of provolone on top and let the whole thing
> sit undisturbed until the cheese is mostly melted and the meat is warmed
> through. Meanwhile, I toast the hoagie roll in my toaster oven. When the
> meat/cheese is ready and the bun is toasted, I scoop the meat into the
> bun.
> I like to add Tabasco. As a variation I might include chopped cherry
> peppers
> at the same time I add the steak.
>
> But I would *never* call that a Philly Cheese Steak sandwich!



Sounds good. And there would be no need to call it a philly steak
sandwich. It might be even better. All things can be improved. But
sometimes labeling can enter the brain and direct ones taste buds down
a very narrow lane. I like the word food. Like when you give
somebody a plate of something and they ask, "What's this?", you just
say, "Food". Are you hungry or not?

Eat, make strong like bull,
TJ

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:50:11 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote
> >>
> > You're right. I wouldn't like a "Philly" cheese steak (cheese whiz?
> > Yuck), but I like what I make, which is pretty much how you make it.
>
> I don't like the cheese whiz either. I don't know the percentages, but many
> use sliced American cheese or give the option of Provolone.
>
> What constitutes a good steak is often a neighborhood thing. An Italian
> cheesesteak has Provolone and pizza sauce, a steak hoagies had lettuce and
> tomato on it.

Provolone, I'd love that... not so sure about pizza sauce though and
steak hoagie sounds like a run of the mill steak sandwich to me.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

>On Jul 5, 5:58*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
>> suitable for a single person's use. *Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
>> same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.
>>
>> I'll have to replace mine soon. *I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
>> bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
>> energystar and save on the electric as well.
>>
>> I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. *Simple but
>> reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
>> chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
>> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. *Don't need either and
>> it's one less thing to break.
>
>
> I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
>place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
>fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
>stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
>Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
>me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. When I was really young I
>didn't care. Things were cheaper anyway, especially used things.
>I've lived on hand-me-downs most of my life. That's fine with me -
>fine with a guy who hates shopping. But now I'm starting to think
>that all those people who helped me out over the years by giving me
>their used stuff have now turned me into an incompetent fool incapable
>of shopping without the potential for a stress-induced heart attack.
>So in a sense, those who have helped me over the years have screwed
>me. *******s. But really, cost is relative. If a fridge is
>important - and in this day and age it surely is - and if it lasts 10
>years - then I suppose $800 isn't bad at all - if you have it.

So that fridge would cost $80/year, big whoop! If you're a tenant I
can assure that you are paying far more in your rent, you are buying
the crappy fridge in your apt and the fancy schmancy one in your
landlord's house. There's a reason tenants are tenants.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 13:02:24 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:48:04 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>>LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still working
>>>older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest freezer to a food
>>>bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably efficient, it's that it was
>>>too big though for it's size it was efficient. It was an old farmhouse
>>>unit where you butchered a whole steer and stored it in there.
>>
>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake.
>>
>> Lou
>
>i hope you're happy with it, lou.

Thanks Blake. I hope so too. I wish it didn't take so long to get
the damn thing. The ice bill and going to get it daily got old the
first day.

Lou

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 16:26:27 -0400, "Dora" > wrote:

>> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:48:04 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>
>>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on
>>> it.
>>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>>> mistake.
>>>
>>> Lou
>
>You made a good decision, Lou. We had a side-by-side and I really
>disliked it - each side was so cramped. Here in this apartment I have
>just a plain old refrigerator - freezer at the top but much more space
>in the frig section. Much better.

Thanks for the encouragement Dora. I cringe just as much about making
a mistake as spending the money. It did seem more spacious. I won't
know until it gets here.

Lou

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 14:28:56 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> wrote:

>we looked at bottom freezers, they are supposed to be easier on utilities,
>and better to find things, but the fact that i posses a cat who sneaks into
>the freezer when its on top... and the dh has a back that wouldn't allow
>bending all the time we have decided against it, Lee
>
Our cat does the same thing. The way this new thing is laid out I
think it will be easier to keep him out than it was with the side by
side. I won't know for sure until it gets here. I'm sure he'll be
investigating it before they even have it set in place.

Lou

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:49:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>> mistake.
>>
>> Lou
>
>They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer but
>side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size issues.
>Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like it. Now, I
>could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer for what won't fit
>in thee but as an only freezer, you will like the bottom or top unit
>for utility as well.

More encouragement. Thanks! When I got the side by side there wasn't
as many choices with other options as there are now. I have a good
sized upright freezer but I still had some storage issues. When I
make pizza I make extras and they didn't fit in the side by side so I
had to clear a spot in the deep freeze. It was a pita.

Lou

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:58:00 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Jul 4, 5:48*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>
>> > My fridge died Saturday. *It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>> > We ordered a new one. *Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>> > worth it. *I just couldn't see putting any money in it. *We got the
>> > bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>> > compared to the side by side models. *I hope I didn't make a $900
>> > mistake. *
>>
>>
>> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
>> things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
>> (except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
>> I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
>> Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
>> me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
>> is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
>> here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
>> down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
>> plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
>> weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
>> probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
>> SHOPPING.
>
>Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
>suitable for a single person's use. Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
>same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.

Home depot gave me 10% off without me even asking.

>I'll have to replace mine soon. I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
>bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
>energystar and save on the electric as well.

Mine was 10 years old and I couldn't see putting any money in it. It
has no scratches or dents but paying a few hundred bucks to fix it
didn't make sense. (to me at least)

>I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$.

Mine was $899 minus the 10%. I got a 4 cu.ft. bar fridge to hold us
over until the new one is delivered and a cheapo window fan which has
nothing to do with this. The bill was just over a grand.

>Simple but reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i have a
>chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
>No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need either and
>it's one less thing to break.

I didn't want water or ice either but it comes with ice. It's very
small and in a good spot. I doubt I'll hook it up.

Lou

On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:41:59 -0400, "Dora" > wrote:

>cshenk wrote:
> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need
>> either and it's one less thing to break.
>
>Yes, our side-by-side had the icemaker and water in the door - and
>they failed. Plus, they were expensive to fix.
>
That was my fear also and I've read and heard horror stories about
them leaking and causing huge damage.

Lou

i can't even imagine what a side by side with chesgter would be like, if i
had a s/s his name would have been changed to popsickle for sure, lol, the
bottom one is great if you can see it fror cat patrol... good luck, Lee
"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 14:28:56 -0500, "Storrmmee"
> > wrote:
>
>>we looked at bottom freezers, they are supposed to be easier on utilities,
>>and better to find things, but the fact that i posses a cat who sneaks
>>into
>>the freezer when its on top... and the dh has a back that wouldn't allow
>>bending all the time we have decided against it, Lee
>>
> Our cat does the same thing. The way this new thing is laid out I
> think it will be easier to keep him out than it was with the side by
> side. I won't know for sure until it gets here. I'm sure he'll be
> investigating it before they even have it set in place.
>
> Lou
>
>

if its ice in the freezer fine, i am not fond of the through the door stuff,
but we had the in freezer unit, and we really liked not running out of ice
and having cold drinks on demand, Lee
"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:58:00 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Jul 4, 5:48 pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>>
>>> > My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on it.
>>> > We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback will be
>>> > worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it. We got the
>>> > bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty economical
>>> > compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't make a $900
>>> > mistake.
>>>
>>>
>>> It's incredible when I think of it, but in my life there are many
>>> things I have never bought. I have never bought a regrigerator
>>> (except for the used one in my story). I have never bought a wallet.
>>> I have never bought a hair brush. I have never bought a razor.
>>> Somehow everywhere I've gone these things have been handed down to
>>> me. The list is endless. So my knowledge of cost with certain things
>>> is very limited. But I think I remember the manager or some worker
>>> here telling me the fridge they put in here when my big monster went
>>> down cost only $200. Like I said, it's cheap feeling, very light,
>>> plastic-like, but it works well, kind of like a cheap-looking light-
>>> weight car that has a good engine. If I had had to buy it myself, I'd
>>> probably still be sitting up here thinking about it - because I HATE
>>> SHOPPING.
>>
>>Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple unit
>>suitable for a single person's use. Now, you'd spend about 350$ for
>>same but they probably got at least 15% off as a commercial buyer.
>
> Home depot gave me 10% off without me even asking.
>
>>I'll have to replace mine soon. I can tell at 15 years, it's getting a
>>bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we can get an
>>energystar and save on the electric as well.
>
> Mine was 10 years old and I couldn't see putting any money in it. It
> has no scratches or dents but paying a few hundred bucks to fix it
> didn't make sense. (to me at least)
>
>>I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$.
>
> Mine was $899 minus the 10%. I got a 4 cu.ft. bar fridge to hold us
> over until the new one is delivered and a cheapo window fan which has
> nothing to do with this. The bill was just over a grand.
>
>>Simple but reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since
>>i have a
>>chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for veggies.
>>No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need either and
>>it's one less thing to break.
>
> I didn't want water or ice either but it comes with ice. It's very
> small and in a good spot. I doubt I'll hook it up.
>
> Lou
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

my aunt jist went through an entire remodel because of the water unit
failure, Lee
"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 18:41:59 -0400, "Dora" > wrote:
>
>>cshenk wrote:
>> No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. Don't need
>>> either and it's one less thing to break.
>>
>>Yes, our side-by-side had the icemaker and water in the door - and
>>they failed. Plus, they were expensive to fix.
>>
> That was my fear also and I've read and heard horror stories about
> them leaking and causing huge damage.
>
> Lou

Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:49:39 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Lou Decruss wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 15:30:37 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > LOL! Yes, energystar is almost a reason to replace a still
> working >> > older one. We got rid of a huge beast of a chest
> freezer to a food >> > bank. It's not that it wasnt reasonably
> efficient, it's that it was >> > too big though for it's size it was
> efficient. It was an old >> > farmhouse unit where you butchered a
> whole steer and stored it in >> > there.
> >>
> >> My fridge died Saturday. It's 10 years old and not a scratch on
> it. >> We ordered a new one. Hopefully the electric bill payback
> will be >> worth it. I just couldn't see putting any money in it.
> We got the >> bottom freezer drawer type which I've read is pretty
> economical >> compared to the side by side models. I hope I didn't
> make a $900 >> mistake.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> > They are more economical. Doesn't matter if top or bottom freezer
> > but side by sides cost more to run and you have wierd storage size
> > issues. Had an apartment once with a side-by-side and didnt like
> > it. Now, I could deal with one as i have a decent chest freezer
> > for what won't fit in thee but as an only freezer, you will like
> > the bottom or top unit for utility as well.
>
> Bottom freezers are fine if you're a shrimp but for folks of normal
> stature top freezers are far more convenient.

I think it depends on what you are most often going for? Some folks do
not go into the freezer but once a day but may hit the bottom part
crisper 3-4 times a day so for them, freezer on the bottom means less
leaning over.

There is a slight but negligible difference in efficiency between the
top and bottom freezer sorts. Something like 6$ a year in operational
cost?


--

Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 5, 5:58*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Depending on when they got it, that would be the price of a simple
> > unit suitable for a single person's use. *Now, you'd spend about
> > 350$ for same but they probably got at least 15% off as a
> > commercial buyer.
> >
> > I'll have to replace mine soon. *I can tell at 15 years, it's
> > getting a bit ragged and it's not worth the cost of repair when we
> > can get an energystar and save on the electric as well.
> >
> > I priced and what suits us, runs a bit under 800$. *Simple but
> > reasonably roomy model where you take a smaller freezer (since i
> > have a chest freezer thats fine here) and get more crisper room for
> > veggies. No ice maker or water in the door stuff for us. *Don't
> > need either and it's one less thing to break.
>
>
> I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser for
> me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. When I was really young I
> didn't care. Things were cheaper anyway, especially used things.
> I've lived on hand-me-downs most of my life. That's fine with me -
> fine with a guy who hates shopping. But now I'm starting to think
> that all those people who helped me out over the years by giving me
> their used stuff have now turned me into an incompetent fool incapable
> of shopping without the potential for a stress-induced heart attack.
> So in a sense, those who have helped me over the years have screwed
> me. *******s. But really, cost is relative. If a fridge is
> important - and in this day and age it surely is - and if it lasts 10
> years - then I suppose $800 isn't bad at all - if you have it.

Most fridges will last 15 years at least and 20 is a good bet for some
models. It's only that mine is hitting that point. It may last
another 10 years. It's ugly now and damaged due to the renters but we
worked with it as we paid off the other bills for things that could not
wait.

Check out if your area has a local freecycle? Some areas have a great
freecycle and some a great craigslist. Seldom do you see both great in
the same area so my local craigslist is 'nominal at best' but the
freecycle is awesome.


--

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
> > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
>
> A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
> includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> unfurnished apartment.

Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.

Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
sink and such.


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Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> > fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you
> > can be hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.
>
>
>
> Good luck with Aunti Mabel. Yes, what you say above was just
> stressed by me in another post. No matter which way you turn there's
> something to pay. Everything has its positives and negatives, and
> when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
> knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
> along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. But
> with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
> even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
> It's not a contest or argument. I can see the positives either way.
> The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. But
> even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
> house. Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
> blowing air out or in. I think of people who live in really huge
> homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
> place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
> with you. You buy a big home, you need a big fence. Then something
> to guard the fence. Then something to guard the things guarding the
> fence. That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
> openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.

Yup. One makes choices. I chose to move me and my family about the
world for 26 years in the Navy. That meant apartment dwelling until we
hit a sweet deal on this house. It was the right time for us and
unlike many fools, we took a straight fixed mortgage at what the banker
was saying was foolish but over time, we were dead on right. We paid
more in the first years but it did not go *up* and we could bank the
excess once we had it.

Now, I could not touch an apartment for 800$ a month which is my total
mortgage and taxes/insurance payment. Instead, I have a 4 BR 1.5 bath
with fully fenced backyard and a fireplace. House will be paid off in
about 6 years so it will drop to about 350$ tax/insurance well before I
hit retirement age.



--

Storrmmee wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of
> the worlds biggest stress reducers...
>
> Lee

Yup. I was scared to buy but I was more scared of balloon payments and
I bought a good bit under my max bank loan just to be sure we could
handle it. It still came close in the early years but we are past that
now.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still recovering from
>50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had to contract out
>25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves. Lets just say we got
>into the house by walking through what *used* to be the wall of the 4th
>bedroom.

That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid of.
It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at it and
wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now. I lost 20%
but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never know.

Lou

Ranee wrote:

> Muffalettas are probably the only regional American sandwich I really like
> the way they are made originally.

That's one sandwich for which I don't understand the hoopla. I've tried the
muffuletta from the Central Grocery in New Orleans, and was underwhelmed by
it. I'll take a BLT over that any day.

Bob

Smart man. You saw the scam and thought with some common sense. I bought my first house fifteen years ago, and moved up to a very nice home in the country, with acreage. I'm paying $630/month. I have to also pay to maintain it; but it is an appreciable asset even with the economy down. Since it's affordable, I bought some land that I use for camping and hope to build my retirement crib there.

I'm about 8 principle payments from paying off my home and another 15 on my other property.

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 20:15:31 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> Ranee wrote:
>
> > Muffalettas are probably the only regional American sandwich I really like
> > the way they are made originally.
>
> That's one sandwich for which I don't understand the hoopla. I've tried the
> muffuletta from the Central Grocery in New Orleans, and was underwhelmed by
> it. I'll take a BLT over that any day.
>
I've never even seen one in RL... but because I love olives, I think I
might like a Muffalatta. Maybe I wouldn't, but I can't say for sure.



--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Jul 6, 2:15*am, sf > wrote:

> A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> a couch, a table... stuff like that. *An apartment with a kitchen that
> includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> unfurnished apartment. *


It's ridiculous and a waste of time to argue semantics. Certain
terms are regional. When I lived in an L.A. - yes, a furnished
apartment was as described by you, completely furnished with bed,
bureau, couch, maybe a coffee table, and an oven and fridge. The
apartment I have here is called furnished. Most apartments around
here come with nothing. I can't argue (not that I want to), but I do
know that this place is called furnished. Now maybe there are degrees
of furnishment (love making up words). See, that's a case to support
me right there. Furnishment is not a word (neither is
furnishmentation), but either one gets the point across. So whether
it's in the dictionary or not means nothing, to me it's a word - just
as to me this place is furnished because that's what they call it.
Kind of like the boneless ribs. Anyway, I would not want to waste
time arguing either way. Furnished or otherwise, I live here, and the
arrangement is that if the oven or fridge goes down, it is the
obligation of the owners to replace them. In a truly unfurnished
place such would not be the case. So here I said I would not argue,
and now it sounds like I am. But I don't want to argue, so I better
go now.

TJ

On Jul 6, 2:18*am, sf > wrote:


> How do you end up with any food to cook if you hate shopping so much?


Here we go with the semantics again. Well, I got into a lengthy
exchange with someone on here who agreed with me that they too hated
shopping, but not for food. I am in that mold. I know that buying
food is shopping, but it's not a hunt like trying to find new athletic
shoes to replace the old ones they no longer make, or like trying to
buy something you're never bought before and know nothing about. I
was referring to the stress of the hunt, not shopping with a list, or
swiftly prancing robot-style through the market using the same method
each time, with occasional detours if so inclined. It doesn't stress
me. Now, if you gave me a list of 50 things I never heard of and
offered to pay me to shop for you, yes, there might be some stress in
buying 50 things I've never bought before and cannot identify without
wearing reading glasses with lenses as dense as coke bottle bottoms.

TJ

On Jul 6, 2:28*am, sf > wrote:

> I see the skill of the cook, not the social strata of the customer. *



I don't think I'm any different on that.

TJ

On Jul 6, 2:36*am, sf > wrote:

> Old boyfriends don't/can't either. *I'd moved away and visited a few
> years later. *Met up with my old BF, the one I moaned over and thought
> my heart would break because I couldn't be with him... and I realized
> years after that the poor kid was doomed. *He failed because he hadn't
> changed, but if he'd shown me how much he had changed too - I would
> have faulted him for that. *He couldn't win, poor guy. * *I'd moved
> on, but didn't know it at the moment.



See, everybody can be prejudiced at some point. For instance, all
this time I thought you were a guy. I didn't sit around dwelling on
it, I just of assumed. I'm telling you I don't think I care one way
or the other, but when I read something from someone I get an image -
not a physical one so much, but just an image - and the one I had of
you was not female. I'm not saying it was male either. But it didn't
jump out at me that you were a female till your post about the old
boyfriend, who you now say is a poor guy because you have moved on.
That's pretty egotistical of you. I am an egotist too. Well, I'm
selfish anyway, that's close enough.

TJ

On Jul 6, 2:37*am, sf > wrote:

> I have no problem calling it a cheese steak, it has cheese - so it's
> not a misnomer.



I have no problem calling it anything. Typically I call them
steak sandwiches. I rarely called them cheese steaks. But if that's
what someone calls them, they'll get no argument from me. When in
Rome, do as the Romans do. I'll give an example.

I have driven a cab in this town for 16 years. I'm in W-S, NC.
It's in Forsyth County. When I first got here I pronounced it For-
syth County, like John Forsyth the actor. But around here they
pronounce it with the emphasis slightly on the 'syth' part, but only
slightly.

Because I live in Forsyth County I was often dispatched to places
with that name - Forsyth Library, Forsyth Hospital, or whatever - so
that in time, after hearing it over and over I began to pronounce it
that way too, without thinking about it. On the other hand, there is
a street here called Buena Vista St that leads to a small residential
area also called Buena Vista. I'm sure you know how Buena is
pronounced. Having lived in L.A. for 23 I know I do. But around here
they pronounce it Buehna (sp?), where it sounds like it could rhyme
with the name Buelha (again sp?), like Buelha Bondi the dead actress.

But my point is that I never challenged these words or went out of
my way to fight them. It's just that I got used to saying Forsyth
their way faster because I heard it all the time. It took me a while
before I started saying Buena their way because there is only one
Buena Vista St or section in this town, and cabs are not sent there
often. So I'm saying I can adjust. I know there's a wrong way and a
right way, but it doesn't have to remain the same across the board.

TJ

On Jul 6, 10:37*am, "Storrmmee" > wrote:


> knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of the
> worlds biggest stress reducers...



I know.

TJ

On Jul 6, 11:52*am, Christine Dabney > wrote:

> Except, in the case of a real Philly cheesesteak or pizza steak, don't
> toast the bun. *I never saw a toasted bun, the whole time I was there.
> And I ate a lot of cheesesteaks and hoagies when I was there. * I was
> young, and skinny, and my metabolism could handle them then. * *No,
> not particularly good for one, but oh so good.



See, that's what's funny about it. I always thought the Allentown
steak sandwich was kind of low in calories. It's really lean meat
chopped fine and fast-cooked on a grill. Sure, there's some oil on
there, but it's not slathered. There's some onion and tomato mix in
there, but overall I think the sandwich is really quite a light snack
or a meal if you wish. But yes I suppose the cheese makes it a
different story. The one steak sandwich I had down here that I liked
was one where they toasted the bun. It was a steak sandwich and was
even billed on the menu as a philly steak sandwich - but I was
prepared at that time to abandon the style of comparison eating. It
was pretty darned good when I ate it without trying to compare it to
something from the past or some other region from today. It would be
interesting to get a calorie reading on the Allentown steak sandwich,
the ones from my favorite spot there, although there were many good
ones. I'll bet it's pretty low.

TJ

On Jul 6, 12:50*pm, Christine Dabney > wrote:

> Yeah, there can be some good sandwiches out there, but even the best
> don't seem to come close to a real Philly hoagie, or cheesesteak. *Not
> sure why. *As some have speculated, it might be the bread... *But who
> knows. * They just aren;t the same. *They are good in their own way,
> just different. *


Maybe it's hard to be good when you're trying to imitate
something. I agree with you. And with me I swear it was not some
kind of regional loyalty, not that I know of. I just know that none
of the so-called philly steak sandwiches I've had anywhere are as good
as the ones around PA. But like I said in another post, there was one
down here that I enjoyed, and I think I was able to enjo it because it
was different enough from the so-called philly style that for me it
lost the imitation label and became it's own product. It just became
a sandwich, and it was pretty good. Yes, they called it a philly
steak sandwich, but it was so different that it didn't look like an
imitation and was therefore able to stand on its own in my eyes and in
my taste.

TJ

On Jul 6, 4:24*pm, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> So that fridge would cost $80/year, big whoop! *If you're a tenant I
> can assure that you are paying far more in your rent, you are buying
> the crappy fridge in your apt and the fancy schmancy one in your
> landlord's house. *There's a reason tenants are tenants.


If you had closely followed any discussion on this issue you would
know that I did not buy my own fridge in this apartment, the landlords
supply it. I'm not getting into some stupid tenant vs homeowner
argument, what a waste. To each their own. Whatever works. When
we're dead we'll all have a chance to own our own little plot of
land. Till then, for now, I choose to rent.

TJ

On Jul 6, 8:05*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > wrote:
>
> > > * * *I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> > > place. *This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> > > fridge. *It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. *You have to get your own furniture.
> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
> > > for me, that's for sure. *I hate shopping. *W
>
> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. *An apartment with a kitchen that
> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> > unfurnished apartment. *
>
> Depends on the area. *In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
> has a fridge and stove. *'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
> dresser etc. *Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
>
> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. *Overseas, that
> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. *Just hookups for a
> sink and such.


Thanks, you expressed it better than me. When I feel obligated to
explain myself, sometimes the pressure is too much and my writing
suffers from it. SF put the pressure on me and I couldn't handle it.

TJ

On Jul 6, 8:20*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> Tommy Joe wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 6:29*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > > The glory of owning is you can do what you want. *The pain is no one
> > > fixes it for you no matter what it is. *You build equity but you
> > > can be hit with a 2-5000$ bill suddenly.
>
> > * *Good luck with Aunti Mabel. *Yes, what you say above was just
> > stressed by me in another post. *No matter which way you turn there's
> > something to pay. *Everything has its positives and negatives, and
> > when things are going ok I'm laughing at the world, content in the
> > knowledge that I made the right decision, that I had it right all
> > along - till something goes wrong and I begin to wonder about it. *But
> > with me renting vs owning was never an option anyway as I really can't
> > even begin to imagine having the cash to own or even rent a house.
> > It's not a contest or argument. *I can see the positives either way.
> > The only way I would own a house is if someone gave it to me. *But
> > even if I hit the lottery tomorrow I would choose an apartment over a
> > house. *Top floor, not too high, with the windows always open, a fan
> > blowing air out or in. *I think of people who live in really huge
> > homes, like mansions, and there's something scary about it - like the
> > place is so huge with so many rooms that you don't know who's in there
> > with you. *You buy a big home, you need a big fence. *Then something
> > to guard the fence. *Then something to guard the things guarding the
> > fence. *That is my fear of ownership - lack of responsibility and
> > openly admitted laziness of which I am oddly proud.
>
> Yup. *One makes choices. *I chose to move me and my family about the
> world for 26 years in the Navy. *That meant apartment dwelling until we
> hit a sweet deal on this house. *It was the right time for us and
> unlike many fools, we took a straight fixed mortgage at what the banker
> was saying was foolish but over time, we were dead on right. *We paid
> more in the first years but it did not go *up* and we could bank the
> excess once we had it.
>
> Now, I could not touch an apartment for 800$ a month which is my total
> mortgage and taxes/insurance payment. *Instead, I have a 4 BR 1.5 bath
> with fully fenced backyard and a fireplace. *House will be paid off in
> about 6 years so it will drop to about 350$ tax/insurance well before I
> hit retirement age.


As an adult I have never lived in an apartment with a bedroom. All
I've lived in are singles. I don't mind a bit. Hell, I could take
this room and cut it in half and still be satisfied. Even if I hit
the lottery I'd still live in an apartment. But there is no argument
on the issue, that would be stupid and wasteful. When I moved in here
16 years ago the rent was $210. Now it's $420. That's very low, but
now so low when you're out there driving a cab and making less than
$150 a week of late. So it's all relative really. Sometimes I feel
fortunate just to have a roof over my head. I won't argue that
either, but I think it can be a good way to think sometimes. My view
is that everyone is renting one way or another. All who live must
die. That's when the lease is up.

TJ

On Jul 7, 6:13*am, Andy > wrote:
> Tommy Joe > wrote:
> > On Jul 6, 2:28*am, sf > wrote:
>
> >> I see the skill of the cook, not the social strata of the customer. *
>
> > * * I don't think I'm any different on that.
>
> TJ,
>
> Agreed, as well!
>
> Today's cook may be better than tomorrows. That's true every time one
> goes out to dine, imo.
>
> That said, I did "fire" a once pretty great local cheesesteak place for
> changing their grade of meat to a lower quality. You could taste the
> difference! I gave them the benefit of the doubt twice, then "fired"
> them.
>
> Their biggest curse was they were located on a busy street that was
> covered with trees but township law dictated you couldn't have a sidewalk
> pole "traffic facing" street sign so the decent amount of daily traffic
> could drive by and never notice the place. The law kept the town quaint,
> not like a "Las Vegas."
>
> So, it probably was a profit saving measure, rather than go out of
> business. That in itself being a double edged sword.


Or the owners could have changed even though the place kept the
same name. I've had that happen too. I don't eat out much any more,
but when I did there was one BBQ joint that had pretty good meat. I
went in the last time to buy a pound to go, not to eat there. It was
full of fat. I found out later the guy who owned it had sold it a
year or so before. I fired that place too.

TJ

On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 20:48:39 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 17:29:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>I just wish I could afford a kitchen remodel. I'm still recovering from
>>50,000$ house damage from renters of which we had to contract out
>>25,000$ worth that we could not do ourselves. Lets just say we got
>>into the house by walking through what *used* to be the wall of the 4th
>>bedroom.
>
>That's exactly why I sold and didn't rent the house I just got rid of.
>It took close to a year to sell and I had many people look at it and
>wanted to rent because it's so hard to get a mortgage now. I lost 20%
>but I could have lost more to a bad renter. You never know.

Much more likely you were foreclosed for non payment of mortgage and
taxes and your cocain snorting ass kicked out.

Cshenk is a BSer, she keyboard kooked those numbers, it's near
impossible to cause $50K damage to a structure save burning it to the
ground... but more importantly anyone who rents their house would have
added a landlord's rider to their homeowners ins, I do that all the
time, and the tenant pays the premium as I calculate the cost as part
of their rent, about $60/mo or $2/day... and still the regular
homeowner's insurance covers most of the damage anyway, and for that
kind of alleged damage a landlord would have gone to court and
obtained a judgement against the tenant for damage and any back rent
and future lost rent... and for that kind of alleged damage the tenant
would have been convicted and put in prison (the insurance company
would have brought charges even if the homeowner didn't), and still
owe the money judgement. I also tell every tenant to obtain renters
ins. and have them sign that they were apprised, but I can't force
them to buy ins... renters insurance covers their belongings,
liability, etc, and pays for temporary housing for several months in
case of fire, flood or the stucture is otherwise rendered
uninhabitable... renters ins is a rider one can add to their
automobile ins., typically costs about $30/mo or $1/day. Most tenants
do not buy renter's ins., for the same reason that tenants are
tenants. But Cshenk is lying here... I've been a landlord far too
long for her and Lou our resident druggie to BS me.

On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> > > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
> > > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
> >
> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> > unfurnished apartment.
>
> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
>
> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
> sink and such.

I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
refrigerator, but no actual furniture *here* in the USA?

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
>> > > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
>> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
>> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
>> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
>> > > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
>> >
>> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
>> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
>> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
>> > unfurnished apartment.
>>
>> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
>> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
>> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
>>
>> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
>> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
>> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
>> sink and such.
>
>I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
>refrigerator, but no actual furniture *here* in the USA?

That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:40:20 -0400, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 07:55:48 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 19:05:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 22:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I guess that's one positive to renting a so-called furnished
> >> > > place. This place, because of its label, must provide an oven and a
> >> > > fridge. It's not fully furnished like the transient style joints I
> >> > > stayed in when I lived in L.A. You have to get your own furniture.
> >> > > Yes, buying a new fridge, or even a used one, would be a stresser
> >> > > for me, that's for sure. I hate shopping. W
> >> >
> >> > A furnished apartment comes with actual furniture... you know - a bed,
> >> > a couch, a table... stuff like that. An apartment with a kitchen that
> >> > includes a refrigerator and a stove but nothing else is still an
> >> > unfurnished apartment.
> >>
> >> Depends on the area. In lots of places, they call it 'furnished' if it
> >> has a fridge and stove. 'Fully furnished' is used it it has a bed and
> >> dresser etc. Has to do with local laws and patterns I expect.
> >>
> >> Oh and in some, 'unfurnished' specifically means no stove or fridge and
> >> may also mean no hot water heater believe it or not. Overseas, that
> >> can also mean no kitchen cabinets our countertops. Just hookups for a
> >> sink and such.
> >
> >I'm just talking about the US. Furnished means it has a stove and
> >refrigerator, but no actual furniture *here* in the USA?
>
> That's not true... in the US there are plenty of rentals that come
> fully furnished... and stove and fridge are no more considered
> furnishings than a sink, tub, and terlit.

Thanks, that's my understanding too. I would be more than mildly
annoyed if I wasted my time viewing a "furnished" apartment that had
no furniture in it.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

i almost had a heart event when we went to see how much we could barrow on
preapproval, i almost passed out... i said fine provide paper, they did,
the house we bought ended up being less than a third of what that number
was, Lee
"cshenk" > wrote in message
news
> Storrmmee wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> knowing who you are and being honest with yourself about it is one of
>> the worlds biggest stress reducers...
>>
>> Lee
>
> Yup. I was scared to buy but I was more scared of balloon payments and
> I bought a good bit under my max bank loan just to be sure we could
> handle it. It still came close in the early years but we are past that
> now.