On 5/16/2010 2:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
> cast.
>

"Dutch oven" is just what we happen to call it locally. No doubt other
countries that will call it something else. Holland, for instance. I'm
sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food." I've always
wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
"Norwegian rats" or "French rats."

On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> I've always
> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."

Swedish rats? Haven't heard that one.

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On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> I've always
>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>
> Swedish rats? Haven't heard that one.
>

That's because I got mixed up - the big brown common rats are really
called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that. I wonder what they call a
French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
snip
> called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that. I wonder what they call a
> French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)

actually the French call it Oo-La-La as that was the sound made by some when
French kissing while the tounges are tangle up and trying to speak,
piedmont

On 5/17/2010 2:24 AM, piedmont wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
> snip
>> called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that. I wonder what they call a
>> French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)
>
> actually the French call it Oo-La-La as that was the sound made by some
> when French kissing while the tounges are tangle up and trying to speak,
> piedmont
>
>

Thanks for the info, I would have thought that Oo-la-la was what the
French called cheesy American hair salons. :-)

On Mon, 17 May 2010 06:45:46 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

> On 5/17/2010 2:24 AM, piedmont wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
>> snip
>>> called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that. I wonder what they call a
>>> French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)
>>
>> actually the French call it Oo-La-La as that was the sound made by some
>> when French kissing while the tounges are tangle up and trying to speak,
>> piedmont
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for the info, I would have thought that Oo-la-la was what the
> French called cheesy American hair salons. :-)

better than hairy cheese salons.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 16 May 2010 20:08:09 -1000, dsi1 > wrote:

> On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
> >
> >> I've always
> >> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
> >> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
> >
> > Swedish rats? Haven't heard that one.
> >
>
> That's because I got mixed up - the big brown common rats are really
> called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that.

You had me thinking the country they were nick named was a regional
thing.

> I wonder what they call a French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)

The one I like is Danish pastries are called Austrian pastries in
Denmark. I want to learn about that in person someday. Never mind
how Europeans (and those were once under European dominance) can't
call normal foods like cookies, potato chips and (french) fries what
they *should* be called. Biscuits, crisps and chips? Why did you
serve me *that*??? LOL!

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Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

sf wrote:

> The one I like is Danish pastries are called Austrian pastries in
> Denmark. I want to learn about that in person someday.


If you ever get a chance to go to Denmark you will find that the
pastries they have there are infinitely better than the stuff we call
Danish pastry. The first time I was in Denmark I stayed in a hotel that
had a wonderful breakfast buffet and had a piece of Wienerbrot. It was
incredible.

On May 17, 12:29*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> sf wrote:
> > The one I like is Danish pastries are called Austrian pastries in
> > Denmark. *I want to learn about that in person someday.
>
> If you ever get a chance to go to Denmark you will find that the
> pastries they have there are infinitely better than the stuff we call
> Danish pastry. *The first time I was in Denmark I stayed in a hotel that
> had a wonderful breakfast buffet and had a piece of Wienerbrot. It was
> incredible.

I never associated a Danish with Denmark until now. Thanks for
spoiling the illusion.

On Mon, 17 May 2010 12:29:38 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> If you ever get a chance to go to Denmark you will find that the
> pastries they have there are infinitely better than the stuff we call
> Danish pastry.

That's good news! I am not a fan of Danish pastries in general, even
really good Scandinavian bakery pastries.

>The first time I was in Denmark I stayed in a hotel that
> had a wonderful breakfast buffet and had a piece of Wienerbrot. It was
> incredible.

When we plan a Scandinavian vacation, I'll ask you about that hotel.
It won't be any time soon though. Spring 2011 will be a cruise from
Amsterdam to Budapest plus other sight seeing. After China, I think
hubby wants to make future trips ship based. We covered a *lot* of
ground in one month using all modes of transportation: busses, planes,
trains and cruises. We were lucky to have a national guide who did
*all* the worrying about schedules and reschedules (like the flight
canceled due to a sandstorm and subsequent tours), translated, checked
us in and out of hotels, fed us three times a day and we were still
exhausted at the end of the trip.


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On 5/17/2010 3:45 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 16 May 2010 20:08:09 -1000, > wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've always
>>>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>>>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>>>
>>> Swedish rats? Haven't heard that one.
>>>
>>
>> That's because I got mixed up - the big brown common rats are really
>> called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that.
>
> You had me thinking the country they were nick named was a regional
> thing.
>
>> I wonder what they call a French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)
>
> The one I like is Danish pastries are called Austrian pastries in
> Denmark. I want to learn about that in person someday. Never mind
> how Europeans (and those were once under European dominance) can't
> call normal foods like cookies, potato chips and (french) fries what
> they *should* be called. Biscuits, crisps and chips? Why did you
> serve me *that*??? LOL!
>

I'd hate to guess what they'd call a biscuit or a doughnut. On second
thought, I'm guessing "round pasty" and "kuglesnatch." :-)

On Sun, 16 May 2010 20:08:09 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

> On 5/16/2010 5:02 PM, sf wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 14:30:49 -1000, > wrote:
>>
>>> I've always
>>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>>
>> Swedish rats? Haven't heard that one.
>>
>
> That's because I got mixed up - the big brown common rats are really
> called "Norwegian rats." Sorry about that. I wonder what they call a
> French kiss in France? Probably "a kiss." :-)

well, in france they used to call homosexuality 'the english vice' while in
england it was 'french.'

your pal,
blake

dsi1 wrote:
> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>> cast.

The manufacturing process was invented by the Dutch according to Alton
Brown on a Good Eats episode.

> I'm sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food."

We definitely use the term "American food" for a range of items from
many different American regional cuisines. There's even a category on
my Garman GPS to search for American style restaurants.

On 5/17/2010 9:40 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>> cast.
>
> The manufacturing process was invented by the Dutch according to Alton
> Brown on a Good Eats episode.

That's interesting. I thought they only invented alkali-processed cocoa.
I got a nifty dutch oven - an oval cast aluminum one that I inherited
from my mom. I used to use it a lot but recently have been using a
pressure cooker instead. It's a time saver but the DO turns out better
stuff. These days I go for time saving over better food. That's the
breaks.

>
>> I'm sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food."
>
> We definitely use the term "American food" for a range of items from
> many different American regional cuisines. There's even a category on
> my Garman GPS to search for American style restaurants.

Good point - I could go for some American cuisine right now - a corn dog
and a tall Kool-ade. :-)

Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> The message >
> from dsi1 > contains these words:
>
> > On 5/17/2010 9:40 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > >> Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
> > >>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
> > >>> cast.
> > >
> > > The manufacturing process was invented by the Dutch according to Alton
> > > Brown on a Good Eats episode.
>
> > That's interesting. I thought they only invented alkali-processed cocoa.
>
> other Dutch inventions
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_i...nd_discoveries
> * 1.1 The microscope
> * 1.2 The telescope
> * 1.3 The pendulum clock
> * 1.4 The electrocardiograph
> * 1.5 The phase contrast microscope
> * 1.6 The compact disc
> * 1.7 The sawmill
> * 1.8 The road-rule enforcement camera
> * 1.9 The leyden jar
> * 1.10 The pyrometer
> * 1.11 The submarine
> * 1.12 The artificial kidney
>
> Janet

A real Dutch oven originally was something in which to roast meat in
front of an open fire. It reflected the heat back onto the meat which
was hanging from a hook.

On 5/17/2010 1:38 PM, Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The >
> from > contains these words:
>
>> On 5/17/2010 9:40 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>>>> cast.
>>>
>>> The manufacturing process was invented by the Dutch according to Alton
>>> Brown on a Good Eats episode.
>
>> That's interesting. I thought they only invented alkali-processed cocoa.
>
> other Dutch inventions
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_i...nd_discoveries
> * 1.1 The microscope
> * 1.2 The telescope
> * 1.3 The pendulum clock
> * 1.4 The electrocardiograph
> * 1.5 The phase contrast microscope
> * 1.6 The compact disc
> * 1.7 The sawmill
> * 1.8 The road-rule enforcement camera
> * 1.9 The leyden jar
> * 1.10 The pyrometer
> * 1.11 The submarine
> * 1.12 The artificial kidney
>
> Janet

Thanks for the link. Interesting - they mention speed cams but not dutch
cocoa. :-)

On 5/18/2010 7:17 AM, Andy wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/16/2010 2:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>> cast.
>>>
>>
>> "Dutch oven" is just what we happen to call it locally. No doubt other
>> countries that will call it something else. Holland, for instance. I'm
>> sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food." I've always
>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>
>
> Years ago, I studied mine and figured it was called that because the
> shallow dome shape of the cover and miniscule center handle (so to least
> interfere with the inner contents) could be inverted and something else
> cooked or warmed up in that at the same time. I had a Dutch door which
> made me think of that.
>
> Andy

Well, there's Dutch ovens and then there's Dutch ovens. A real one would
be shaped so you could load coals on the top lid. Like most people, I
don't have a real one. I wonder if the Boy Scouts will still teach
cooking with this campfire classic?

On 5/18/2010 8:28 AM, Andy wrote:
> > wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2010 7:17 AM, Andy wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2010 2:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>>>> cast.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dutch oven" is just what we happen to call it locally. No doubt
> other
>>>> countries that will call it something else. Holland, for instance.
> I'm
>>>> sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food." I've always
>>>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>>>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>>>
>>>
>>> Years ago, I studied mine and figured it was called that because the
>>> shallow dome shape of the cover and miniscule center handle (so to
> least
>>> interfere with the inner contents) could be inverted and something
> else
>>> cooked or warmed up in that at the same time. I had a Dutch door which
>>> made me think of that.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Well, there's Dutch ovens and then there's Dutch ovens. A real one
> would
>> be shaped so you could load coals on the top lid. Like most people, I
>> don't have a real one. I wonder if the Boy Scouts will still teach
>> cooking with this campfire classic?
>
>
> dsi1,
>
> If the scoutmaster is stupid enough to drag a 20 lb. Dutch oven on his
> backpack on a 50-mile trek, he should be stripped of any/all merit badges
> and excused of his position!!!

Ah, it's the new stripped down scouts. :-)

>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>

On 5/18/2010 3:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2010 8:28 AM, Andy wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/18/2010 7:17 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/16/2010 2:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>>>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dutch oven" is just what we happen to call it locally. No doubt
>> other
>>>>> countries that will call it something else. Holland, for instance.
>> I'm
>>>>> sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food." I've always
>>>>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>>>>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Years ago, I studied mine and figured it was called that because the
>>>> shallow dome shape of the cover and miniscule center handle (so to
>> least
>>>> interfere with the inner contents) could be inverted and something
>> else
>>>> cooked or warmed up in that at the same time. I had a Dutch door which
>>>> made me think of that.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>
>>> Well, there's Dutch ovens and then there's Dutch ovens. A real one
>> would
>>> be shaped so you could load coals on the top lid. Like most people, I
>>> don't have a real one. I wonder if the Boy Scouts will still teach
>>> cooking with this campfire classic?
>>
>>
>> dsi1,
>>
>> If the scoutmaster is stupid enough to drag a 20 lb. Dutch oven on his
>> backpack on a 50-mile trek, he should be stripped of any/all merit badges
>> and excused of his position!!!
>
> Ah, it's the new stripped down scouts. :-)

20 pound cooking utensils are fine if you have a pack mule. Most scout
troops today don't have that luxury.

On 5/18/2010 10:46 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On 5/18/2010 3:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On 5/18/2010 8:28 AM, Andy wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2010 7:17 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 2:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>>>>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dutch oven" is just what we happen to call it locally. No doubt
>>> other
>>>>>> countries that will call it something else. Holland, for instance.
>>> I'm
>>>>>> sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food." I've always
>>>>>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>>>>>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Years ago, I studied mine and figured it was called that because the
>>>>> shallow dome shape of the cover and miniscule center handle (so to
>>> least
>>>>> interfere with the inner contents) could be inverted and something
>>> else
>>>>> cooked or warmed up in that at the same time. I had a Dutch door which
>>>>> made me think of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> Well, there's Dutch ovens and then there's Dutch ovens. A real one
>>> would
>>>> be shaped so you could load coals on the top lid. Like most people, I
>>>> don't have a real one. I wonder if the Boy Scouts will still teach
>>>> cooking with this campfire classic?
>>>
>>>
>>> dsi1,
>>>
>>> If the scoutmaster is stupid enough to drag a 20 lb. Dutch oven on his
>>> backpack on a 50-mile trek, he should be stripped of any/all merit
>>> badges
>>> and excused of his position!!!
>>
>> Ah, it's the new stripped down scouts. :-)
>
> 20 pound cooking utensils are fine if you have a pack mule. Most scout
> troops today don't have that luxury.

This is pretty disappointing. The Dutch oven was always used in those
old Boy's Life magazine recipes where you'd need baked goods. Sounds
like you're saying that this was all a big fat lie. Another one bites
the dust. I guess in the old days (the 60s) they used pack mules.

On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:09:35 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:

> On 5/18/2010 10:46 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >
> > 20 pound cooking utensils are fine if you have a pack mule. Most scout
> > troops today don't have that luxury.
>
> This is pretty disappointing. The Dutch oven was always used in those
> old Boy's Life magazine recipes where you'd need baked goods. Sounds
> like you're saying that this was all a big fat lie. Another one bites
> the dust. I guess in the old days (the 60s) they used pack mules.

I bet they packed up the station wagon and drove to the campground.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

dsi1 wrote:
> On 5/18/2010 10:46 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 5/18/2010 3:13 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On 5/18/2010 8:28 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/18/2010 7:17 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 2:20 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why call a dutch oven a dutch oven? I'm sure that many other
>>>>>>>> cultures/nations have been using that idea ever since iron was
>>>>>>>> cast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dutch oven" is just what we happen to call it locally. No doubt
>>>> other
>>>>>>> countries that will call it something else. Holland, for instance.
>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> sure the Chinese don't call what they eat "Chinese food." I've
>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>> wondered what Swedish rats are called in Sweden - I'm guessing
>>>>>>> "Norwegian rats" or "French rats."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Years ago, I studied mine and figured it was called that because the
>>>>>> shallow dome shape of the cover and miniscule center handle (so to
>>>> least
>>>>>> interfere with the inner contents) could be inverted and something
>>>> else
>>>>>> cooked or warmed up in that at the same time. I had a Dutch door
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> made me think of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there's Dutch ovens and then there's Dutch ovens. A real one
>>>> would
>>>>> be shaped so you could load coals on the top lid. Like most people, I
>>>>> don't have a real one. I wonder if the Boy Scouts will still teach
>>>>> cooking with this campfire classic?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> dsi1,
>>>>
>>>> If the scoutmaster is stupid enough to drag a 20 lb. Dutch oven on his
>>>> backpack on a 50-mile trek, he should be stripped of any/all merit
>>>> badges
>>>> and excused of his position!!!
>>>
>>> Ah, it's the new stripped down scouts. :-)
>>
>> 20 pound cooking utensils are fine if you have a pack mule. Most scout
>> troops today don't have that luxury.
>
> This is pretty disappointing. The Dutch oven was always used in those
> old Boy's Life magazine recipes where you'd need baked goods. Sounds
> like you're saying that this was all a big fat lie. Another one bites
> the dust. I guess in the old days (the 60s) they used pack mules.

No, it's not lies. I was a Boy Scout in the forties and fifties and a
scout leader in the sixties and seventies. We carried at least one dutch
oven with us and often two or three. Depended on how many boys from the
troop went on the camp. We seldom hiked anywhere as there was nowhere to
hike. We went in the scout bus and carried all the gear on a rack on the
roof. On the occasions where we had to hike in we toted the dutch
oven(s) in turns. Got to have biscuits to go with your eats.

Even at Philmont, when we hiked the counselors sent the dutch ovens on
ahead either by pack mule or by truck, depended on where we were hiking.
I can only make assumptions as to how it is done today but would bet
even money that it still is the same way, at least with rural troops.

The worse thing the BSA ever did was go to "urban" scouting in the late
sixties, lots of boys dropped out because there was no more camping or
hiking. Everything was geared toward living in the city. Luckily they
wised up and went back to the old methods of scouting.