I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
watching most of the time. I'm usually working, and
just have the TV as sort of background music. And
of course, I like cooking shows. If Lidia Bastianich
had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
most of the time.

Sometimes I get desperate. Sometimes I'll tune in the
Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. Or an
infomercial for the Magic Bullet. (I'd rather have
an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
you, Ron?)

Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
slim eel fish paste. But what really gets me is
the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
or this other stuff is good for your brain.

Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
she was making was made with raw vegetables which
are still alive and have their life force, you
shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
whether the life force from your hands would
ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
effect you'd receive from the salad through your
hands.

You learn something about other cultures by
watching their TV. Koreans are a bit kooky.

On Feb 1, 7:16*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> watching most of the time. *I'm usually working, and
> just have the TV as sort of background music. *And
> of course, I like cooking shows. *If Lidia Bastianich
> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> most of the time.
>
> Sometimes I get desperate. *Sometimes I'll tune in the
> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. *Or an
> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. *(I'd rather have
> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> you, Ron?)
>
> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
> language cooking show. *The host often uses obscure
> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
> slim eel fish paste. *But what really gets me is
> the food quackery. *She'll say this is food is good
> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> are still alive and have their life force, you
> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> with your hands. *You should use chopsticks.
> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> ahead and use your hands. *She wasn't clear on
> whether the life force from your hands would
> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> hands.
>
> You learn something about other cultures by
> watching their TV. *Koreans are a bit kooky.

I wouldn't use the term quackery.

There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
elements of the body. All medicine is basically plant based.

Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.

In other cultures herbs and plants are more trusted as medicine than
chemicals.

It all depends on what you have been indoctrinated with, or taught, or
believe.

I, for one, am open to all cultural practices of healing. Some are
amazingly effective. Some are more placebos.

The mind-body connection is probably the most important part of
healing in the end.

Don't make fun of what you have not educated yourself about.
Sometimes, if you pay attention or do some research, you
can learn a lot.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> watching most of the time. I'm usually working, and
> just have the TV as sort of background music. And
> of course, I like cooking shows. If Lidia Bastianich
> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> most of the time.
>
> Sometimes I get desperate. Sometimes I'll tune in the
> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. Or an
> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. (I'd rather have
> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> you, Ron?)
>
> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
> language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
> slim eel fish paste. But what really gets me is
> the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> are still alive and have their life force, you
> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
> whether the life force from your hands would
> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> hands.
>
> You learn something about other cultures by
> watching their TV. Koreans are a bit kooky.

I dunno that the first things are quackery. The last part seems
most dubious to me though.

--
Jean B.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
>> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
>> are still alive and have their life force, you
>> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
>> with your hands. *You should use chopsticks.
>> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
>> ahead and use your hands. *She wasn't clear on
>> whether the life force from your hands would
>> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
>> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
>> hands.
>>
>> You learn something about other cultures by
>> watching their TV. *Koreans are a bit kooky.
>
>I wouldn't use the term quackery.
>
>There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
>elements of the body. All medicine is basically plant based.

No, although there is certainly a lot of it that is.
>
>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.

Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
hands out of.
>
>In other cultures herbs and plants are more trusted as medicine than
>chemicals.
>
>It all depends on what you have been indoctrinated with, or taught, or
>believe.
>
>I, for one, am open to all cultural practices of healing. Some are
>amazingly effective. Some are more placebos.
>
>The mind-body connection is probably the most important part of
>healing in the end.

Nonsense, but if you have some peer-reviewed journal publications
purporting to prove this, I'd be willing to look at them.
>
>Don't make fun of what you have not educated yourself about.
>Sometimes, if you pay attention or do some research, you
>can learn a lot.

No, it is perfectly all right to make fun of saying that salad is
alive and should only be touched with chopsticks but that cooked
vegetables can be touched with the hands. It is not cultural, either,
but pure, unadulterated BS about basic science.

Boron

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
> hands out of.

LOL *applause*


> Boron


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"Steve B" > wrote in message
news
> reply: I, personally, have been investigating the practices of
> sacrificing chickens, moon watching, a reverse osmotic electrolysis food
> crisper, magnetic butter dishes, and psychokinetic blending of pancake
> mix. So far, the results are pretty amazing, and I do hope my source of
> happy mushrooms does not dry up or get apprehended.

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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
>I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> watching most of the time. I'm usually working, and
> just have the TV as sort of background music. And
> of course, I like cooking shows. If Lidia Bastianich
> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> most of the time.
>
> Sometimes I get desperate. Sometimes I'll tune in the
> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. Or an
> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. (I'd rather have
> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> you, Ron?)
>
> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
> language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
> slim eel fish paste. But what really gets me is
> the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> are still alive and have their life force, you
> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
> whether the life force from your hands would
> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> hands.
>
> You learn something about other cultures by
> watching their TV. Koreans are a bit kooky.

Sounds to me she's smoking some of the greens.

Steve

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
On Feb 1, 7:16 am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> watching most of the time. I'm usually working, and
> just have the TV as sort of background music. And
> of course, I like cooking shows. If Lidia Bastianich
> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> most of the time.
>
> Sometimes I get desperate. Sometimes I'll tune in the
> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. Or an
> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. (I'd rather have
> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> you, Ron?)
>
> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
> language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
> slim eel fish paste. But what really gets me is
> the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> are still alive and have their life force, you
> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
> whether the life force from your hands would
> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> hands.
>
> You learn something about other cultures by
> watching their TV. Koreans are a bit kooky.

I wouldn't use the term quackery.

There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
elements of the body. All medicine is basically plant based.

Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.

In other cultures herbs and plants are more trusted as medicine than
chemicals.

It all depends on what you have been indoctrinated with, or taught, or
believe.

I, for one, am open to all cultural practices of healing. Some are
amazingly effective. Some are more placebos.

The mind-body connection is probably the most important part of
healing in the end.

Don't make fun of what you have not educated yourself about.
Sometimes, if you pay attention or do some research, you
can learn a lot.

reply: I, personally, have been investigating the practices of sacrificing
chickens, moon watching, a reverse osmotic electrolysis food crisper,
magnetic butter dishes, and psychokinetic blending of pancake mix. So far,
the results are pretty amazing, and I do hope my source of happy mushrooms
does not dry up or get apprehended.

Steve

On Feb 1, 10:31*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> > watching most of the time. *I'm usually working, and
> > just have the TV as sort of background music. *And
> > of course, I like cooking shows. *If Lidia Bastianich
> > had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> > most of the time.
>
> > Sometimes I get desperate. *Sometimes I'll tune in the
> > Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. *Or an
> > infomercial for the Magic Bullet. *(I'd rather have
> > an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> > you, Ron?)
>
> > Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
> > language cooking show. *The host often uses obscure
> > or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
> > slim eel fish paste. *But what really gets me is
> > the food quackery. *She'll say this is food is good
> > for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
> > or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
> > Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> > she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> > are still alive and have their life force, you
> > shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> > with your hands. *You should use chopsticks.
> > If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> > ahead and use your hands. *She wasn't clear on
> > whether the life force from your hands would
> > ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> > effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> > hands.
>
> > You learn something about other cultures by
> > watching their TV. *Koreans are a bit kooky.
>
> I dunno that the first things are quackery. *The last part seems
> most dubious to me though.

Sounds like folk medicine or animism to me. I would bet it goes back
to when folks would get sick if the uncooked veggies were handled by
hand, but not cooked ones.

maxine in ri

"Boron Elgar" wrote
ImStillMags wrote:

>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
> hands out of.

Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just like plant
medicines.

The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. Like the
chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
the shrimp tails and shells. They are simply a natural source of the same
thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as many
bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
consomme sort you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone
strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
home.

Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
things. That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.

He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don and I
were part of. I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he goes
over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. Doc
recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that leaves
a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. Basically I seemed to have
pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs to
keep an eye on it'.

It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. If their
methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver and
fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless. And no, they
won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands ;-)
They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.

"Jean B." wrote
> Mark Thorson wrote:

>> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
>> language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
>> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
>> slim eel fish paste.

Grin, normal stuff you can get in the markets there. Some of what we get
sounds equally odd to them.

>> But what really gets me is
>> the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
>> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
>> or this other stuff is good for your brain.

> I dunno that the first things are quackery. The last part seems most
> dubious to me though.

It is true the last part o touching the veggies is quackery, but at least on
the stuff good for your bones and joints, they have some pretty good backing
on what to eat. Not sure on 'good for your brain' but if your eyesight is
starting to fail, they will often recommend certain vegetables high in the
things that a lack of can affect eyesight. It's just part of a total
package, not expected to replace the need for glasses or anything.

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>ImStillMags wrote:
>
>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>
>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>> hands out of.
>
>Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just like plant
>medicines.

No, really. All of it is. It has no basis whatsoever. It is quackery.
>
>The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
>as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. Like the
>chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
>arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
>the shrimp tails and shells. They are simply a natural source of the same
>thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as many
>bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
>consomme sort you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone
>strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
>home.

I did not say make any argument about what you mention above.
>
>Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
>things. That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.

That has nothing to do with homeopathy.
>
>He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don and I
>were part of. I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he goes
>over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. Doc
>recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that leaves
>a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. Basically I seemed to have
>pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs to
>keep an eye on it'.

That is not homeopathy.
>
>It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
>nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. If their
>methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver and
>fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless.

But that is not homeopathy.

> And no, they
>won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands ;-)
>They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
>boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.

And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
disdain for homeopathy.

Boron


T

"maxine in ri" wrote

> Sounds like folk medicine or animism to me. I would bet it goes back
> to when folks would get sick if the uncooked veggies were handled by
> hand, but not cooked ones.

I'm trying to relate it to personal hygene here but it doesnt fix it if it's
the person's hands as cooking the veggies first would make no difference
there.

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:46:07 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>>> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
>>> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
>>> are still alive and have their life force, you
>>> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
>>> with your hands. *You should use chopsticks.
>>> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
>>> ahead and use your hands. *She wasn't clear on
>>> whether the life force from your hands would
>>> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
>>> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
>>> hands.
>>>
>>> You learn something about other cultures by
>>> watching their TV. *Koreans are a bit kooky.
>>
>>I wouldn't use the term quackery.
>>
>>There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
>>elements of the body. All medicine is basically plant based.
>
> No, although there is certainly a lot of it that is.
>>
>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
> hands out of.

<snort>

your pal,
blake

On Feb 1, 10:22*am, ImStillMags > wrote:

> There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
> elements of the body. *All medicine is basically plant based.

Insulin?

> Ever heard of homeopathy? *The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
> use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
> with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> In other cultures herbs and plants are more trusted as medicine than
> chemicals.

That doesn't prevent it from being complete bullshit. Gullible fools
are
everywhere.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, cshenk wrote:

> "Boron Elgar" wrote
> ImStillMags wrote:
>
>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>
>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>> hands out of.
>
> Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just like plant
> medicines.
>
> The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
> as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. Like the
> chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
> arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
> the shrimp tails and shells. They are simply a natural source of the same
> thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as many
> bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
> consomme sort you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone
> strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
> home.

none of that has anything to do with homeopathy:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy>

some homeopathic doctors might recommend such, which keeps them from being
total quacks. barely.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:11:45 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>>ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>>
>>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>>> hands out of.
>>
>>Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just like plant
>>medicines.
>
> No, really. All of it is. It has no basis whatsoever. It is quackery.
>>
>>The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
>>as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. Like the
>>chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
>>arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
>>the shrimp tails and shells. They are simply a natural source of the same
>>thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as many
>>bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
>>consomme sort you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone
>>strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
>>home.
>
> I did not say make any argument about what you mention above.
>>
>>Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
>>things. That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.
>
> That has nothing to do with homeopathy.
>>
>>He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don and I
>>were part of. I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he goes
>>over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. Doc
>>recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that leaves
>>a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. Basically I seemed to have
>>pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs to
>>keep an eye on it'.
>
> That is not homeopathy.
>>
>>It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
>>nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. If their
>>methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver and
>>fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless.
>
> But that is not homeopathy.
>
>> And no, they
>>won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands ;-)
>>They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
>>boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.
>
> And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
> disdain for homeopathy.

homeopathic doctors are the people chiropractors snicker at.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:34:46 -0800, Steve B wrote:
>
> reply: I, personally, have been investigating the practices of sacrificing
> chickens, moon watching, a reverse osmotic electrolysis food crisper,
> magnetic butter dishes, and psychokinetic blending of pancake mix. So far,
> the results are pretty amazing, and I do hope my source of happy mushrooms
> does not dry up or get apprehended.
>
> Steve

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

your pal,
homer

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:57:39 -0800 (PST), maxine in ri wrote:

> On Feb 1, 10:31*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
>>> watching most of the time. *I'm usually working, and
>>> just have the TV as sort of background music. *And
>>> of course, I like cooking shows. *If Lidia Bastianich
>>> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
>>> most of the time.
>>
>>> Sometimes I get desperate. *Sometimes I'll tune in the
>>> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. *Or an
>>> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. *(I'd rather have
>>> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
>>> you, Ron?)
>>
>>> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
>>> language cooking show. *The host often uses obscure
>>> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
>>> slim eel fish paste. *But what really gets me is
>>> the food quackery. *She'll say this is food is good
>>> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
>>> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>>
>>> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
>>> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
>>> are still alive and have their life force, you
>>> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
>>> with your hands. *You should use chopsticks.
>>> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
>>> ahead and use your hands. *She wasn't clear on
>>> whether the life force from your hands would
>>> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
>>> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
>>> hands.
>>
>>> You learn something about other cultures by
>>> watching their TV. *Koreans are a bit kooky.
>>
>> I dunno that the first things are quackery. *The last part seems
>> most dubious to me though.
>
> Sounds like folk medicine or animism to me. I would bet it goes back
> to when folks would get sick if the uncooked veggies were handled by
> hand, but not cooked ones.
>
> maxine in ri

animism or pantheism, sure. it colors your outlook on everything.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:16:25 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> watching most of the time. I'm usually working, and
> just have the TV as sort of background music. And
> of course, I like cooking shows. If Lidia Bastianich
> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> most of the time.
>
> Sometimes I get desperate. Sometimes I'll tune in the
> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. Or an
> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. (I'd rather have
> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> you, Ron?)

wait - they got infomercials for the magic bullet now?

<http://www.lovehoney.co.uk/product.cfm?p=8258>

not sure i want to see ron popeil doing the demo, though.

your pal,
blake

Mark Thorson wrote:

>
> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> are still alive and have their life force, you
> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
> whether the life force from your hands would
> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> hands.
>


There's a cuckoo born every minute.

Actually I opened your post because I thought it was about cooking duck.

;-)

gloria p

"Boron Elgar" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote:

> That has nothing to do with homeopathy.

So what is your version of it as related to this specific thread where the
person related some foods are good for certain conditions?

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:34:46 -0800, Steve B wrote:
>>
>> reply: I, personally, have been investigating the practices of
>> sacrificing
>> chickens, moon watching, a reverse osmotic electrolysis food crisper,
>> magnetic butter dishes, and psychokinetic blending of pancake mix. So
>> far,
>> the results are pretty amazing, and I do hope my source of happy
>> mushrooms
>> does not dry up or get apprehended.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your
> newsletter.

lol

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blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>
>> "Boron Elgar" wrote
>> ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>>> Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic
>>>> medicine, use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>> with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the
>>>> medicine.
>>>
>>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep
>>> one's hands out of.
>>
>> Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just
>> like plant medicines.
>>
>> The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food'
>> comes off as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable
>> results. Like the chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now
>> take to help control arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc
>> recommended I start also eating the shrimp tails and shells. They
>> are simply a natural source of the same thing and the pill form
>> wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as many bone based deep
>> broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a consomme sort
>> you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone strengthening
>> things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at home.
>
> none of that has anything to do with homeopathy:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy>
>
> some homeopathic doctors might recommend such, which keeps them from
> being total quacks. barely.


Hey, they laffed at Joseph Lister, too...!!!


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"blake murphy" > wrote in message
. ..
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:11:45 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>>>ImStillMags wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>>>
>>>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>>>> hands out of.
>>>
>>>Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just like
>>>plant
>>>medicines.
>>
>> No, really. All of it is. It has no basis whatsoever. It is quackery.
>>>
>>>The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes
>>>off
>>>as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. Like
>>>the
>>>chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
>>>arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also
>>>eating
>>>the shrimp tails and shells. They are simply a natural source of the
>>>same
>>>thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as
>>>many
>>>bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
>>>consomme sort you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone
>>>strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
>>>home.
>>
>> I did not say make any argument about what you mention above.
>>>
>>>Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
>>>things. That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.
>>
>> That has nothing to do with homeopathy.
>>>
>>>He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don
>>>and I
>>>were part of. I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he
>>>goes
>>>over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. Doc
>>>recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that
>>>leaves
>>>a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. Basically I seemed to
>>>have
>>>pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs
>>>to
>>>keep an eye on it'.
>>
>> That is not homeopathy.
>>>
>>>It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
>>>nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. If their
>>>methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver
>>>and
>>>fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless.
>>
>> But that is not homeopathy.
>>
>>> And no, they
>>>won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands
>>>;-)
>>>They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
>>>boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.
>>
>> And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
>> disdain for homeopathy.
>
> homeopathic doctors are the people chiropractors snicker at.
>
IOW, crackpots calling the kettles black!
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"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, cshenk wrote:
>
>> "Boron Elgar" wrote
>> ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>>
>>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>>> hands out of.
>>
>> Much of it is but not all of it. It's based on observation, just like
>> plant
>> medicines.
>>
>> The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes
>> off
>> as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. Like
>> the
>> chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
>> arthritis. Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also
>> eating
>> the shrimp tails and shells. They are simply a natural source of the
>> same
>> thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. Also, to use as
>> many
>> bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
>> consomme sort you make at home that gels). Calcium and other bone
>> strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
>> home.
>
> none of that has anything to do with homeopathy:
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy>
>
> some homeopathic doctors might recommend such, which keeps them from being
> total quacks. barely.
>
There is no such thing as a homeopathic doctor! They might call themselves
such but they are QUACKS!!! If an MD dabbles in it, I wouldn't go near
him/her as they are bloody idiots!!
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"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>>> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
>>> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
>>> are still alive and have their life force, you
>>> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
>>> with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
>>> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
>>> ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
>>> whether the life force from your hands would
>>> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
>>> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
>>> hands.
>>>
>>> You learn something about other cultures by
>>> watching their TV. Koreans are a bit kooky.
>>
>>I wouldn't use the term quackery.
>>
>>There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
>>elements of the body. All medicine is basically plant based.
>
> No, although there is certainly a lot of it that is.
>>
>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
> hands out of.
>>
>>In other cultures herbs and plants are more trusted as medicine than
>>chemicals.
>>
>>It all depends on what you have been indoctrinated with, or taught, or
>>believe.
>>
>>I, for one, am open to all cultural practices of healing. Some are
>>amazingly effective. Some are more placebos.
>>
>>The mind-body connection is probably the most important part of
>>healing in the end.
>
> Nonsense, but if you have some peer-reviewed journal publications
> purporting to prove this, I'd be willing to look at them.
>>
>>Don't make fun of what you have not educated yourself about.
>>Sometimes, if you pay attention or do some research, you
>>can learn a lot.
>
> No, it is perfectly all right to make fun of saying that salad is
> alive and should only be touched with chopsticks but that cooked
> vegetables can be touched with the hands. It is not cultural, either,
> but pure, unadulterated BS about basic science.
>
> Boron
>
I couldn't have put it more eloquently, especially your term for
homeopathy{:-)
Graham



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On 2010-02-01, graham > wrote:

> I couldn't have put it more eloquently, especially your term for
> homeopathy{:-)

Howzabout: Beauty may be skin deep, but stupidity is to the bone!!

nb

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:13:46 -0800, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:16:25 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>wrote:
>
>>But what really gets me is
>>the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
>>for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
>>or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
>No, it may sound like quackery to you, but it seems to me that your
>knowledge of Asian medicine/foods and chi, as is it called is deficit.
>
>I have heard this a lot from friends who practice Traditional Chinese
>Medicine and accupuncture. In that practice, certain foods have
>certain qualities, and ARE good for certain things. And a lot of
>Asians (and not only Asians) believe that the life force or chi is in
>everything.

And some believe in voo-doo and some in Yaweh and some in the Tooth
Fairy. Belief is just what it says...
>
>I suggest you start reading up on Asian culture and chi and things
>like traditional medicine there. A lot of folks scoff at it, but a
>lot of folks get a lot of benefit from things like accupuncture, which
>is based on chi and maniupulating it. And some folks find that the
>traditional medicine of Asian cultures can help when nothing else can.
>
>Christine


I lot of people get a lot of benefit from placebo, too, and that
effect is unexplained. Following that logic, we should all try placebo
first. Cheaper and fewer side effects, I bet.

Just to backtrack on myself, though, my previous posts were trampling
on homeopathic medicine, which is a very specific thing. I did not get
into Asian or eastern meds, but I'd be willing to debate the aspects
or broad and unfounded conclusions such as if people say it works it
must be real, which you imply above.

Boron

"Boron Elgar" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:13:46 -0800, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 07:16:25 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>But what really gets me is
>>>the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
>>>for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
>>>or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>>
>>No, it may sound like quackery to you, but it seems to me that your
>>knowledge of Asian medicine/foods and chi, as is it called is deficit.
>>
>>I have heard this a lot from friends who practice Traditional Chinese
>>Medicine and accupuncture. In that practice, certain foods have
>>certain qualities, and ARE good for certain things. And a lot of
>>Asians (and not only Asians) believe that the life force or chi is in
>>everything.
>
> And some believe in voo-doo and some in Yaweh and some in the Tooth
> Fairy. Belief is just what it says...
>>
>>I suggest you start reading up on Asian culture and chi and things
>>like traditional medicine there. A lot of folks scoff at it, but a
>>lot of folks get a lot of benefit from things like accupuncture, which
>>is based on chi and maniupulating it. And some folks find that the
>>traditional medicine of Asian cultures can help when nothing else can.
>>
>>Christine
>
>
> I lot of people get a lot of benefit from placebo, too, and that
> effect is unexplained. Following that logic, we should all try placebo
> first. Cheaper and fewer side effects, I bet.
>
> Just to backtrack on myself, though, my previous posts were trampling
> on homeopathic medicine, which is a very specific thing. I did not get
> into Asian or eastern meds, but I'd be willing to debate the aspects
> or broad and unfounded conclusions such as if people say it works it
> must be real, which you imply above.
>
> Boron
>
I'm afraid you are dealing with people who believe in the irrational, Boron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

Graham



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On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:11:45 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>>ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>>
>>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>>> hands out of.
>>
snippage...
>
>And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
>disdain for homeopathy.
>
>Boron
>
>
>T

You go girl! I am in total agreement.

aloha,
cea

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:53:15 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:46:07 -0500, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 07:22:29 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
> wrote:
>
>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>
>>Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>>hands out of.
>
><snip>
>
>Jeez, Boron, why'nt ya come out of your shell and tell us what you
>think? <veg>

I am way to shy to really say it..(VBG>

Here is an article about a homeopathy protest movement. More about it
at the site

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...none-dead.html
In part:

"No ill effects were reported by hundreds of volunteers who took part
in a mass-overdose stunt around the world to demonstrate that
homeopathic remedies are nothing more than sugar pills.

"There were no casualties at all, as far as I know," says Martin
Robbins, spokesman for the "10:23" campaign, created to highlight the
alleged ineffectiveness of homeopathic remedies.

"No one was cured of anything either," says Robbins. Like an estimated
300 volunteers in several cities in the UK, Australia, New Zealand,
Canada and the US, he swallowed a bottleful of around 80 homeopathic
"pillules" at exactly 10.23 am on Saturday. Each pillule is a tiny
sugar pill dabbed with a drop of a homeopathic remedy, produced
through "infinite" dilution – the process whereby a solution is
diluted to the point where no molecules of an active component are
likely to remain.

Robbins says that the aim of the stunt was to draw attention to
homeopathic medicine's lack of scientific foundation and to embarrass
the British high-street pharmacist Boots into withdrawing its
treatments from sale."
>
>I hear a lot of homeopathy patter at the gym, generally from the
>trainers, who claim such-and-such can help with strength training and
>this other thing can overcome a strained ligament. What I needed the
>day after my first pilates class was copious amounts of alcohol to
>mask the pain...
>
>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>

Ouch!

I wound up in physical thereapy for a month after what I did to my
neck on an ab bench and with freeweights.

I am not against all alternative medicine. There is a lot of
interesting stuff out there, but homepathy, very specifically, is not
one.

People are gullible and there are those who will go out of their way
to profit from that very thing. Barnum was right.

On Feb 1, 9:22*am, ImStillMags > wrote:
> On Feb 1, 7:16*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
> > watching most of the time. *I'm usually working, and
> > just have the TV as sort of background music. *And
> > of course, I like cooking shows. *If Lidia Bastianich
> > had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
> > most of the time.
>
> > Sometimes I get desperate. *Sometimes I'll tune in the
> > Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. *Or an
> > infomercial for the Magic Bullet. *(I'd rather have
> > an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
> > you, Ron?)
>
> > Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
> > language cooking show. *The host often uses obscure
> > or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
> > slim eel fish paste. *But what really gets me is
> > the food quackery. *She'll say this is food is good
> > for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
> > or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
> > Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
> > she was making was made with raw vegetables which
> > are still alive and have their life force, you
> > shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
> > with your hands. *You should use chopsticks.
> > If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
> > ahead and use your hands. *She wasn't clear on
> > whether the life force from your hands would
> > ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
> > effect you'd receive from the salad through your
> > hands.
>
> > You learn something about other cultures by
> > watching their TV. *Koreans are a bit kooky.
>
> I wouldn't use the term quackery.
>
> There are elements in vegetables and herbs that ARE good for different
> elements of the body. *All medicine is basically plant based.
>
> Ever heard of homeopathy? *The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
> use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
> with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
Only nutcases and idiots believe in homeopathy. Do you believe in
leprechauns too?

--Bryan

On Feb 1, 12:11*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:11:45 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >>"Boron Elgar" wrote
> >>ImStillMags wrote:
>
> >>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? *The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
> >>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
> >>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> >>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
> >>> hands out of.
>
> >>Much of it is but not all of it. *It's based on observation, just like plant
> >>medicines.
>
> > No, really. All of it is. It has no basis whatsoever. It is quackery.
>
> >>The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
> >>as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. *Like the
> >>chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
> >>arthritis. *Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
> >>the shrimp tails and shells. *They are simply a natural source of the same
> >>thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. *Also, to use as many
> >>bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
> >>consomme sort you make at home that gels). *Calcium and other bone
> >>strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
> >>home.
>
> > I did not say make any argument about what you mention above.
>
> >>Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
> >>things. *That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.
>
> > That has nothing to do with homeopathy.
>
> >>He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don and I
> >>were part of. *I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he goes
> >>over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. *Doc
> >>recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that leaves
> >>a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. *Basically I seemed to have
> >>pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs to
> >>keep an eye on it'.
>
> > That is not homeopathy.
>
> >>It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
> >>nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. *If their
> >>methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver and
> >>fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless.
>
> > But that is not homeopathy.
>
> >> And no, they
> >>won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands ;-)
> >>They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
> >>boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.
>
> > And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
> > disdain for homeopathy.
>
> homeopathic doctors are the people chiropractors snicker at.

Some chiropractors also practice homeopathy.
>
> your pal,
> blake

--Bryan

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Feb 1, 10:31 am, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> I have the TV on most of the day, even though I'm not
>>> watching most of the time. I'm usually working, and
>>> just have the TV as sort of background music. And
>>> of course, I like cooking shows. If Lidia Bastianich
>>> had a 24 hour channel, that's what would be on my set
>>> most of the time.
>>> Sometimes I get desperate. Sometimes I'll tune in the
>>> Spanish-language cooking shows from V-me. Or an
>>> infomercial for the Magic Bullet. (I'd rather have
>>> an infomercial with Ron Popeil in it -- where are
>>> you, Ron?)
>>> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
>>> language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
>>> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
>>> slim eel fish paste. But what really gets me is
>>> the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
>>> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
>>> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>>> Yesterday, she was saying that because the salad
>>> she was making was made with raw vegetables which
>>> are still alive and have their life force, you
>>> shouldn't mix the salad dressing into the salad
>>> with your hands. You should use chopsticks.
>>> If the vegetables had been cooked, you could go
>>> ahead and use your hands. She wasn't clear on
>>> whether the life force from your hands would
>>> ruin the salad, or whether there was some ill
>>> effect you'd receive from the salad through your
>>> hands.
>>> You learn something about other cultures by
>>> watching their TV. Koreans are a bit kooky.
>> I dunno that the first things are quackery. The last part seems
>> most dubious to me though.
>
> Sounds like folk medicine or animism to me. I would bet it goes back
> to when folks would get sick if the uncooked veggies were handled by
> hand, but not cooked ones.
>
> maxine in ri

Yes, but some folk medicine has proven to be valid. I am highly
skeptical of the above though.

Hmmm. Your example is logical.

--
Jean B.

cshenk wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>>> Rarely, I'll tune in to Cooking Time, the Korean
>>> language cooking show. The host often uses obscure
>>> or weird ingrediants, like oligosaccharide or
>>> slim eel fish paste.
>
> Grin, normal stuff you can get in the markets there. Some of what we
> get sounds equally odd to them.
>
>>> But what really gets me is
>>> the food quackery. She'll say this is food is good
>>> for the joints, or that food is good for the muscles,
>>> or this other stuff is good for your brain.
>
>> I dunno that the first things are quackery. The last part seems most
>> dubious to me though.
>
> It is true the last part o touching the veggies is quackery, but at
> least on the stuff good for your bones and joints, they have some pretty
> good backing on what to eat. Not sure on 'good for your brain' but if
> your eyesight is starting to fail, they will often recommend certain
> vegetables high in the things that a lack of can affect eyesight. It's
> just part of a total package, not expected to replace the need for
> glasses or anything.
>
Oh yes, I agree with this. But the "hands" part seems to be total
quackery.

--
Jean B.

cshenk wrote:
> "maxine in ri" wrote
>
>> Sounds like folk medicine or animism to me. I would bet it goes back
>> to when folks would get sick if the uncooked veggies were handled by
>> hand, but not cooked ones.
>
> I'm trying to relate it to personal hygene here but it doesnt fix it if
> it's the person's hands as cooking the veggies first would make no
> difference there.
>

Oh, I was reading that differently, as in:

use dirty hands on veggies and serve them raw and risk illness
use dirty hands on veggies, then cook them, and be relatively safe

--
Jean B.

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:24:03 -0800 (PST), Food Snob®
> wrote:

>On Feb 1, 12:11*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:11:45 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> >>"Boron Elgar" wrote
>> >>ImStillMags wrote:
>>
>> >>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? *The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
>> >>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
>> >>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>>
>> >>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
>> >>> hands out of.
>>
>> >>Much of it is but not all of it. *It's based on observation, just like plant
>> >>medicines.
>>
>> > No, really. All of it is. It has no basis whatsoever. It is quackery.
>>
>> >>The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
>> >>as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. *Like the
>> >>chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
>> >>arthritis. *Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
>> >>the shrimp tails and shells. *They are simply a natural source of the same
>> >>thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. *Also, to use as many
>> >>bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
>> >>consomme sort you make at home that gels). *Calcium and other bone
>> >>strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
>> >>home.
>>
>> > I did not say make any argument about what you mention above.
>>
>> >>Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
>> >>things. *That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.
>>
>> > That has nothing to do with homeopathy.
>>
>> >>He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don and I
>> >>were part of. *I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he goes
>> >>over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. *Doc
>> >>recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that leaves
>> >>a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. *Basically I seemed to have
>> >>pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs to
>> >>keep an eye on it'.
>>
>> > That is not homeopathy.
>>
>> >>It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
>> >>nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. *If their
>> >>methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver and
>> >>fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless.
>>
>> > But that is not homeopathy.
>>
>> >> And no, they
>> >>won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands ;-)
>> >>They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
>> >>boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.
>>
>> > And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
>> > disdain for homeopathy.
>>
>> homeopathic doctors are the people chiropractors snicker at.
>
>Some chiropractors also practice homeopathy.

Whaddaya mean "some"... ALL!

Jean wrote on Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:40:04 -0500:



> Yes, but some folk medicine has proven to be valid.

..Certainly, effective medicines are obtainable from natural sources,
quinine for example. However, a major problem lies in knowing just what
dose you get from a decoction of a natural product. The drug content can
depend a lot on what the climate has been and what season the plants are
collected and the extracts are not controlled and tested by government
agencies. There are also known natural products that are highly
effective against particular diseases but have undesirable side effects.



--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Feb 2, 7:53*am, brooklyn1 > wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 04:24:03 -0800 (PST), Food Snob®
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Feb 1, 12:11*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> >> On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 12:11:45 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:01:46 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >> >>"Boron Elgar" wrote
> >> >>ImStillMags wrote:
>
> >> >>>>Ever heard of homeopathy? *The same applies for homeopathic medicine,
> >> >>>>use only the glass dropper, never touch the medicine
> >> >>>>with the hands, it changes the chemistry and energy of the medicine.
>
> >> >>> Homeopathy is a crock of shit....something else one should keep one's
> >> >>> hands out of.
>
> >> >>Much of it is but not all of it. *It's based on observation, just like plant
> >> >>medicines.
>
> >> > No, really. All of it is. It has no basis whatsoever. It is quackery..
>
> >> >>The terminology used in asian healing by 'eating the right food' comes off
> >> >>as quackery but some of it is based in solidly testable results. *Like the
> >> >>chondritin/glucosamine pills and powders many now take to help control
> >> >>arthritis. *Back in Japan, our Japanese Doc recommended I start also eating
> >> >>the shrimp tails and shells. *They are simply a natural source of the same
> >> >>thing and the pill form wasnt working as well for me. *Also, to use as many
> >> >>bone based deep broths (and not so much the canned type but more of a
> >> >>consomme sort you make at home that gels). *Calcium and other bone
> >> >>strengthening things in there, and less salt by far when you make it at
> >> >>home.
>
> >> > I did not say make any argument about what you mention above.
>
> >> >>Apparently I work better with food sourced calcium, iron, and joint based
> >> >>things. *That is *not* unusual and totally harmless.
>
> >> > That has nothing to do with homeopathy.
>
> >> >>He's also the one that did the salt tolerance-reactive study which Don and I
> >> >>were part of. *I'm not sodium reactive in blood pressure, Don is if he goes
> >> >>over 2,000mg a day but at 2,000mg a day or less, he has no changes. *Doc
> >> >>recommended we aim for 1,500mg a day for him after the study but that leaves
> >> >>a little leeway for an unaccounted for 'snack'. *Basically I seemed to have
> >> >>pretty much a Japanese native salt tolerance while Don is more the 'needs to
> >> >>keep an eye on it'.
>
> >> > That is not homeopathy.
>
> >> >>It isnt uncommon in Asia to find the Doctor is also well schooled in
> >> >>nutrition, unlike most of what I have encountered in the USA. *If their
> >> >>methods are a little different because they tell you to eat more liver and
> >> >>fresh leafy greens vice prescribe iron pills, it's harmless.
>
> >> > But that is not homeopathy.
>
> >> >> And no, they
> >> >>won't tell you silly things like not mixing live veggies with your hands ;-)
> >> >>They will tell you to eat a wider variety of fresh foods and not live off
> >> >>boxed 'American crap' like hamburger helper.
>
> >> > And I have not criticized healthy eating, but I reiterate my utter
> >> > disdain for homeopathy.
>
> >> homeopathic doctors are the people chiropractors snicker at.
>
> >Some chiropractors also practice homeopathy.
>
> Whaddaya mean "some"... ALL!

No, not "ALL."

"Homeopathy (also spelled Homoeopathy or Homœopathy) is a form of
alternative medicine, first proposed by German physician Samuel
Hahnemann in 1796, that attempts to treat patients with heavily
diluted preparations which are thought to cause effects similar to the
symptoms presented. Homeopathic remedies are prepared by serial
dilution with shaking by forceful striking, which homeopaths term
'succussion,' after each dilution under the assumption that this
increases the effect of the treatment. Homeopaths call this process
'potentization'. Dilution often continues until none of the original
substance remains."
source-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

--Bryan