MONTIRIUS GIGONDAS

Montirius is a sizeable 55 hectare estate that has been run by the same
family for five generations. For the last 15 years Christine and Eric Saurel
have taken their domaine in an organic direction, converting to biodynamics
in 1996. They've taken things quite seriously: in 2002 a new winery was
built, with vats built with concrete made from dynamized water.

"graham" > wrote in message
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> MONTIRIUS GIGONDAS
>
> Montirius is a sizeable 55 hectare estate that has been run by the same
> family for five generations. For the last 15 years Christine and Eric
> Saurel have taken their domaine in an organic direction, converting to
> biodynamics in 1996. They've taken things quite seriously: in 2002 a new
> winery was built, with vats built with concrete made from dynamized water.
>
Maybe they meant organically dynamited water?

Martin

"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message
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> On 07/08/2010 0:08, Martin Field wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> MONTIRIUS GIGONDAS
>>>
>>> Montirius is a sizeable 55 hectare estate that has been run by the
>>> same family for five generations. For the last 15 years Christine and
>>> Eric Saurel have taken their domaine in an organic direction,
>>> converting to biodynamics in 1996. They've taken things quite
>>> seriously: in 2002 a new winery was built, with vats built with
>>> concrete made from dynamized water.
>>>
>> Maybe they meant organically dynamited water?
>
> LOL
>
> In general quackery implies deceiving someone to the point of causing them
> harm while claiming that some good is being done.
>
> In the case of BioD, the stuff is certainly (self-)deception, but nobody
> gets hurt, and in general the wines are very good.

But couldn't the same be said for organic/biologique wines? At least
avoiding nasty pesticides makes some sense but the New Age mysticism
doesn't.

>I personally dont like Montirius wines, and the story of making cement with
>dynamized water made me LOL, but I dont think one can compare BioD to the
>numerous forms of quackery that truly hurt people.
>
> Wacky, not quacky.
>
I suppose it's a matter of definition. Homeopathy is generally considered
to be quackery but its believers don't consider themselves frauds. A number
of biodynamic practices are a mixture of homeopathy and astrology.

I suppose it's my training as a scientist that looks with scorn upon such
lunacy, and that term applies since they follow the moon phases amongst
other things.
It has even infected the world of the professional taster as, I understand,
Tesco and Marks & Spenser staff divide the calendar into fruit, flower, leaf
and root days, based on lunar cycles, and taste only on the first two.

As you say, it's harmless but I see no reason to encourage it.
Graham

On 05/08/2010 23:07, graham wrote:
> MONTIRIUS GIGONDAS
>
> Montirius is a sizeable 55 hectare estate that has been run by the same
> family for five generations. For the last 15 years Christine and Eric Saurel
> have taken their domaine in an organic direction, converting to biodynamics
> in 1996. They've taken things quite seriously: in 2002 a new winery was
> built, with vats built with concrete made from dynamized water.

But you must understand that if dynamized water is not used in the
concrete the cosmic energy would not be able to get to the wine.

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On 07/08/2010 22:21, graham wrote:

> It has even infected the world of the professional taster as, I understand,
> Tesco and Marks& Spenser staff divide the calendar into fruit, flower, leaf
> and root days, based on lunar cycles, and taste only on the first two.

I think that is when they give trade tastings. The calendar is
available in the book "When wine tastes best". Yours for $8.00.

Or you can read my blog article with the same subject line, which adopts
a more scientific approach:
http://www.winenous.co.uk/wp/archive...ry/biodynamics

> As you say, it's harmless but I see no reason to encourage it.

Harmless maybe. But it all takes time, effort and money which could be
better directed elsewhere.

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