Hi everyone,

I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
for muslim and jewish friends.

A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
used this successfully?

Shirley Hicks
Toronto, Ontario

A mukluk wearing troll wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> for muslim and jewish friends.
>
> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
> corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
> like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
> I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
> used this successfully?
>
> Shirley Hicks
> Toronto, Ontario
There is a seasoning by Goya that is called 'Jamon', and it is a
ham-flavored seasoning, and usually can be found in the mexican cooking
section of the grocery store. It works great in green beans too.
Frank

>A mukluk wearing TROLL spake:
>
>I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
>for muslim and jewish friends.

There is no such thing as muslims and jews being friends.

>A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
>pork or ham for flavour.
>
>Shirley Hicks
>Toronto, Ontario

Salt pork and ham for jews and muslims, eh... typical canuck ****.


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"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
> >A mukluk wearing TROLL spake:
> >
> >I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> >for muslim and jewish friends.
>
> There is no such thing as muslims and jews being friends.
>
> >A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> >pork or ham for flavour.
> >
> >Shirley Hicks
> >Toronto, Ontario
>
> Salt pork and ham for jews and muslims, eh... typical canuck ****.
>
>

Sheldon, it's posts like this that make anything you say not worth listening
too. I don't care how many apologists for you there are in this group,
you've got to be one of the most arrogant, self-centered, bigoted moron on
the face of the earth.

>I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
>for muslim and jewish friends.
>
>A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
>pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
>worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
>corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
>like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
>I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
>used this successfully?
>
>Shirley Hicks
>Toronto, Ontario
>
>Smoked turkey wings work for me when I don,t want to use pork. for flavoring.
I always keep some in the freezer when I want to cut back on the fat content or
when cooking for those who don,t eat pork. I hope this helps.

Florence

>Lupis49 whines:
>
>"PENMART01" wrote:
>> >A mukluk wearing TROLL spake:
>> >
>> >I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
>> >for muslim and jewish friends.
>>
>> There is no such thing as muslims and jews being friends.
>>
>> >A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
>> >pork or ham for flavour.
>> >
>> >Shirley Hicks
>> >Toronto, Ontario
>>
>> Salt pork and ham for jews and muslims, eh... typical canuck ****.
>>
>>
>
>Sheldon, it's posts like this that make anything you say not worth listening
>too. I don't care how many apologists for you there are in this group,
>you've got to be one of the most arrogant, self-centered, bigoted moron on
>the face of the earth.

You must be one of those canuck ****s.


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Frank Mancuso writes:

>A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
>> for muslim and jewish friends.
>>
>> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
>> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
>> worked out a successful food substitution?

>There is a seasoning by Goya that is called 'Jamon', and it is a
>ham-flavored seasoning, and usually can be found in the mexican cooking
>section of the grocery store. It works great in green beans too.

Chee-yeah, right. [monty python] "It's only got a little bit of ham in it . .
..[/mp]

Try smoked turkey wings. My BIL's family, who are firmly convinced they're
*real* jews, gave up pork a while back swears by them.

Me, I don't think so but that's probably as near as you can get. Unlike liquid
smoke, the turkey wings add the meat and bone juices to the finished dish.

HTH,

Marc

WiScottsin wrote:
>
> "PENMART01" > wrote in message
> ...

> > Salt pork and ham for jews and muslims, eh... typical canuck ****.
> >
> >
>
> Sheldon, it's posts like this that make anything you say not worth listening
> too. I don't care how many apologists for you there are in this group,
> you've got to be one of the most arrogant, self-centered, bigoted moron on
> the face of the earth.


Not only that, he's unable to read for comprehension. The original post
clearly stated that she was looking for substitutes for the ham or salt
pork that would be acceptable to her guests.


For the ham, one could try turkey ham. It's not the greatest product in
the world, but it might do for recipes that call for ham.



Brian Rodenborn

In article >,
A mukluk wearing troll > wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> for muslim and jewish friends.
>
> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
> corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
> like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
> I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
> used this successfully?
>
> Shirley Hicks
> Toronto, Ontario

I have not tried it, but smoked turkey, turkey ham or turkey bacon ought
to do the trick. :-) I had a jewish buddy once and served turkey ham. He
accepted that fine.

These are common and easy to get too.

K.

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Katra wrote:

> I have not tried it, but smoked turkey, turkey ham or turkey bacon ought
> to do the trick. :-) I had a jewish buddy once and served turkey ham. He
> accepted that fine.
>
> These are common and easy to get too.


Now Katra are you talkin' here about that turkey ham or *you*...???

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Greg :-p

MrAoD wrote:
>
> Frank Mancuso writes:
>
> >A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> >> for muslim and jewish friends.
> >>
> >> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> >> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> >> worked out a successful food substitution?
>
> >There is a seasoning by Goya that is called 'Jamon', and it is a
> >ham-flavored seasoning, and usually can be found in the mexican cooking
> >section of the grocery store. It works great in green beans too.
>
> Chee-yeah, right. [monty python] "It's only got a little bit of ham in it . .
> .[/mp]
>
> Try smoked turkey wings. My BIL's family, who are firmly convinced they're
> *real* jews, gave up pork a while back swears by them.
>
> Me, I don't think so but that's probably as near as you can get. Unlike liquid
> smoke, the turkey wings add the meat and bone juices to the finished dish.
>
> HTH,
>
> Marc

Won't help necessarily. If either the Muslim(s) or Jew(s) are observant,
they won't eat meat that isn't halal or kosher.

A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> for muslim and jewish friends.
>
> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
> corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
> like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
> I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
> used this successfully?
>
> Shirley Hicks
> Toronto, Ontario

Just leave it out. If they are observant of their religions, they will
never eat the 'real' thing to compare anyway.

That liquid smoke stuff has a nasty undertaste. Just add more of some of
the other seasonings if the dishes seem bland.

A mukluk wearing troll wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> for muslim and jewish friends.
>
> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
> corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
> like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
> I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
> used this successfully?

Call me old fashioned, but if you cook traditional dishes you
use traditional ingredients. I wouldn't go to a traditional
Jewish or Muslim dinner and expect roast pork. Maybe the trick
is to serve traditional dishes that don't use pork or other
ingredients or combinations that do not violate their dietary
rules.

A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
>
>and pea soup,

For this I substitute a nice fat dried chipotle. If you leave it whole,
it will not heat up the soup much *at all*, but the smokiness will come
through just fine.
I use Penzey's.
blacksalt

I've never found a flavor substitute for pork, but I've made pork-free
baked beans and peas soups countless times. They have a nice flavor
without that smokiness. With the baked beans, try adding a tomato
product at the end, maybe some tomato paste. For the pea soup, just
onion, carrot and celery is good. If you want to put a meat in it,
turkey will do.

--Lia


A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> for muslim and jewish friends.
>
> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> worked out a successful food substitution? I tried using
> corned beef in one recipe of baked beans, but did not
> like the result. I want to maintain that hint of smokiness.
> I've tried liquid hickory smoke in the past... has anyone
> used this successfully?
>
> Shirley Hicks
> Toronto, Ontario

In article . net>,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> Katra wrote:
>
> > I have not tried it, but smoked turkey, turkey ham or turkey bacon ought
> > to do the trick. :-) I had a jewish buddy once and served turkey ham. He
> > accepted that fine.
> >
> > These are common and easy to get too.
>
>
> Now Katra are you talkin' here about that turkey ham or *you*...???

<rolls eyes>

You are BAD luv! LOL!

K.

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In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> MrAoD wrote:
> >
> > Frank Mancuso writes:
> >
> > >A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone,
> > >>
> > >> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> > >> for muslim and jewish friends.
> > >>
> > >> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> > >> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> > >> worked out a successful food substitution?
> >
> > >There is a seasoning by Goya that is called 'Jamon', and it is a
> > >ham-flavored seasoning, and usually can be found in the mexican cooking
> > >section of the grocery store. It works great in green beans too.
> >
> > Chee-yeah, right. [monty python] "It's only got a little bit of ham in it
> > . .
> > .[/mp]
> >
> > Try smoked turkey wings. My BIL's family, who are firmly convinced they're
> > *real* jews, gave up pork a while back swears by them.
> >
> > Me, I don't think so but that's probably as near as you can get. Unlike
> > liquid
> > smoke, the turkey wings add the meat and bone juices to the finished dish.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Marc
>
> Won't help necessarily. If either the Muslim(s) or Jew(s) are observant,
> they won't eat meat that isn't halal or kosher.

Ok, so what exactly defines "Kosher" meat?

K.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 02:44:24 -0600, Katra >
wrote:

>Ok, so what exactly defines "Kosher" meat?

We went through this recently. See:

http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

Katra writes:
>
>Ok, so what exactly defines "Kosher" meat?

Circumcisian.




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Katra wrote:

> Ok, so what exactly defines "Kosher" meat?



There is no exact definition because each practitioner of a religion
defines the precepts of the religion in a different way. Look at the
various definitions of "thou shalt not kill" if you want a less
confusing example.

In general, however,

The kosher laws fall into 4 broad categories:

1. kosher animals
2. kosher slaughter of animals
3. kosher combinations of foods
4. the dishes

1. Kosher animals include cattle, goats, sheep, chickens, turkey, salmon.
Kosher animals emphatically do NOT include pigs, rabbits, shrimp, lobsters,
oysters, other shellfish, insects. So anything made from a non-kosher
animal is
considered inappropriate to eat.

2. Whole books are written on the kosher slaughter of animals, but
basically it
means making sure the animal is healthy before slaughter and cutting the
throat
with a sharp knife.

3. Meat products are not combined with milk products. They're not
eaten at the
same meal. Individuals don't eat them within several hours of each other.
They're not eaten off the same plates or cooked in the same pots. So a
hostess
wouldn't serve a cheeseburger or a creamy chicken soup. A guest who keeps
kosher and has just arrived at someone's home might turn down an offer of
cookies and milk for a snack if he's just had meat for lunch. That
doesn't mean
the cookies and milk aren't kosher, just that they're inappropriate for
him at
that moment. An apple (neither meat nor milk) would be a better snack.

4. It isn't enough to avoid eating a non-kosher animal or a non-kosher
combination. How separate is separate, and how clean is clean? If the
dishes
had bacon on them in the morning, you wouldn't just wash the plate and
consider
it O.K. for a kosher meal that afternoon. Keeping kosher extends to keeping
watch over the whole food production process.

It's that 4th consideration where people tend to disagree the most. Some
people
keep kosher at home, but don't care too much about the dishes when they
go out.
So they'll eat a vegetarian meal in a restaurant without worrying about
whether
the restaurant also serves non-kosher meat on those same plates. Others
would
never eat at a non-kosher restaurant.

If you imagine people living out on a farm getting most of their food
products
locally and from scratch, keeping kosher doesn't sound like a big deal. It
means avoiding some recipes and eating 3 meals a day. Most people who have
never kept kosher would find nothing too terribly weird about visiting a
kosher
home and eating kosher meals for a while. Breakfast would still consist of
eggs, cereal, fruit, milk in coffee, butter on toast (a dairy meal). Lunch
would still consist of salad or a cheese sandwich in the summer (dairy)
or maybe
a beef soup in winter (meat). Dinner would be meat, vegetables,
potatoes (no
butter or sour cream on the potatoes). None of that is shockingly unusual.

--Lia

In article >,
(PENMART01) wrote:

> Katra writes:
> >
> >Ok, so what exactly defines "Kosher" meat?
>
> Circumcisian.
>
>
> Sheldon

I could have trusted you to *** up with that one! ROFL!

K.

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On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Katra wrote:

> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> > MrAoD wrote:
> > >
> > > Frank Mancuso writes:
> > >
> > > >A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi everyone,
> > > >>
> > > >> I am going to be cooking some "traditional" canadian dishes
> > > >> for muslim and jewish friends.
> > > >>
> > > >> A couple of these, baked beans and pea soup, use salt
> > > >> pork or ham for flavour, Has anyone posting here has
> > > >> worked out a successful food substitution?
> > >
> > > >There is a seasoning by Goya that is called 'Jamon', and it is a
> > > >ham-flavored seasoning, and usually can be found in the mexican cooking
> > > >section of the grocery store. It works great in green beans too.
> > >
> > > Chee-yeah, right. [monty python] "It's only got a little bit of ham in it
> > > . .
> > > .[/mp]
> > >
> > > Try smoked turkey wings. My BIL's family, who are firmly convinced they're
> > > *real* jews, gave up pork a while back swears by them.
> > >
> > > Me, I don't think so but that's probably as near as you can get. Unlike
> > > liquid
> > > smoke, the turkey wings add the meat and bone juices to the finished dish.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > Marc
> >
> > Won't help necessarily. If either the Muslim(s) or Jew(s) are observant,
> > they won't eat meat that isn't halal or kosher.
>
> Ok, so what exactly defines "Kosher" meat?

1. Slaughtered by a shochet (kosher slaughterer) under supervision of the
rabbi.

2. Blood must be drained and not eaten

3. Animal must be unblemished and not diseased

4. Animal must be slaughtered by cutting the jugularvein.

5. Animal must have cloven hooves and chew their cud.

6. animal must have been tame.

There is an even longer list of specific things pertaining to individual
meats.

Lena

On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:31:15 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:
>MrAoD wrote:
>> Frank Mancuso writes:
>> >A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
<snip>

>Won't help necessarily. If either the Muslim(s) or Jew(s) are observant,
>they won't eat meat that isn't halal or kosher.

In both cases, they are secular, just don't eat pork. If my Jewish
friend was really keeping kosher, he wouldn't be eating here.

I got a fresh supply of liquid hickory smoke, will add a dash to the
beans when they go in the oven for the slow bake tomorrow.

I browsed through my Deborah Madison vegetarian cookbooks for other
flavour combinations, will let you know how it turns out. This will
also serve the vegetarian friends well.

Shirley Hicks
Toronto, Ontario

A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:31:15 -0700, Arri London >
> wrote:
> >MrAoD wrote:
> >> Frank Mancuso writes:
> >> >A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >Won't help necessarily. If either the Muslim(s) or Jew(s) are observant,
> >they won't eat meat that isn't halal or kosher.
>
> In both cases, they are secular, just don't eat pork. If my Jewish
> friend was really keeping kosher, he wouldn't be eating here.

That's true of course, although I always managed to feed kosher-keeping
friends without violating anything. I have pots that are just used for
boiling pasta or rice, cutting boards that are strictly vegetarian and a
supply of paper plates and cutlery. Then there was the memorable moment
when I made a kosher chicken soup lunch for a Jewish friend, in a new
pot duly koshered, but then offered grilled cheese sandwiches along
side! We sat down to eat, looked at each other and laughed! We ate the
sandwiches first, then ate the soup for dinner a few hours later.
>
> I got a fresh supply of liquid hickory smoke, will add a dash to the
> beans when they go in the oven for the slow bake tomorrow.

Try it and see. I never much cared for that stuff...even a tiny bit
seemed overpowering. Not to mention the trace carcinogens LOL.
>
> I browsed through my Deborah Madison vegetarian cookbooks for other
> flavour combinations, will let you know how it turns out. This will
> also serve the vegetarian friends well.
>
> Shirley Hicks
> Toronto, Ontario

Sounds good.

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:32:52 -0500, A mukluk wearing troll
> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:31:15 -0700, Arri London >
>wrote:
>>MrAoD wrote:
>>> Frank Mancuso writes:
>>> >A mukluk wearing troll wrote:
><snip>
>
>>Won't help necessarily. If either the Muslim(s) or Jew(s) are observant,
>>they won't eat meat that isn't halal or kosher.
>
>In both cases, they are secular, just don't eat pork. If my Jewish
>friend was really keeping kosher, he wouldn't be eating here.
>
>I got a fresh supply of liquid hickory smoke, will add a dash to the
>beans when they go in the oven for the slow bake tomorrow.

The liquid smoke did the necessary trick. I also added additional salt
to compensate for the lack of the salted food product.

Both dishes were very tasty. Now to try versions with vegetable based
stocks for the vegetarian friends....

TB