>I think the problem is that Kerry brought up his time in Vietnam
>during the convention and not the issues that should be debated.


>Pan Ohco
>Post a follow
-----------------------------------------
Yes, and for some reason he emphasized it the night he accepted the nomination
in Boston. He and friends went to the opposite side of the Bay, got into a
Swift Boat, and crossed back to the convention side, cheering and kissing
cheeks all the way. He just asked for it!!

"Nancree" > wrote in message
...
> >I think the problem is that Kerry brought up his time in Vietnam
> >during the convention and not the issues that should be debated.
>
>
> >Pan Ohco
> >Post a follow
> -----------------------------------------
> Yes, and for some reason he emphasized it the night he accepted the
nomination
> in Boston. He and friends went to the opposite side of the Bay, got into
a
> Swift Boat, and crossed back to the convention side, cheering and kissing
> cheeks all the way. He just asked for it!!

Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service, but it pales
to insignificance when you consider the following:

- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service, jumping
over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?

- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack of
service and are completely silent about Bush's.

- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat Veterans
for Truth (haha) group.

- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
the above group.

- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.



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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:


>Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service,
Agreed
>
>- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service, jumping
>over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
>whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?
Did bush say he should be elected because he is a war hero?
Was the man who replaced Kerry (to finish his tour) killed or
crippled.
>
>- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack of
>service and are completely silent about Bush's.

As opposed to the hypocritical democrats who said that you could be
draft dodger and be the commander in chief.
>
>- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat Veterans
>for Truth (haha) group.

Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
>
>- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
>the above group.

Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
>SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
>other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.

MoveOn ads predated SBVT.

Pan Ohco

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service,
> Agreed
> >
> >- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service,
jumping
> >over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
> >whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?
> Did bush say he should be elected because he is a war hero?
> Was the man who replaced Kerry (to finish his tour) killed or
> crippled.
> >
> >- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack
of
> >service and are completely silent about Bush's.
>
> As opposed to the hypocritical democrats who said that you could be
> draft dodger and be the commander in chief.
> >
> >- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat
Veterans
> >for Truth (haha) group.
>
> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
> >
> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread
by
> >the above group.
>
> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?

Yes, and he still has the shrapnel in his leg to prove it.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:47:51 -0400, "SCUBApix"
> wrote:


>>
>> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>Yes, and he still has the shrapnel in his leg to prove it.
>
How long did he spend in the hospital?

If he would fill our a form 180 (?) he could answer all these
questions.
Pan Ohco

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:47:51 -0400, "SCUBApix"
> wrote:


>>
>> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>Yes, and he still has the shrapnel in his leg to prove it.
>
How long did he spend in the hospital?

If he would fill our a form 180 (?) he could answer all these
questions.
Pan Ohco

>
>> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>Yes, and he still has the shrapnel in his leg to prove it.
>

no, he mised no duty with any of his "wounds" check again.
Rosie

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service,
> Agreed
> >
> >- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service,
jumping
> >over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
> >whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?
> Did bush say he should be elected because he is a war hero?
> Was the man who replaced Kerry (to finish his tour) killed or
> crippled.
> >
> >- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack
of
> >service and are completely silent about Bush's.
>
> As opposed to the hypocritical democrats who said that you could be
> draft dodger and be the commander in chief.

Clinton was never a draft dodger (someone who illegally evaded his
obligations)

> >- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat
Veterans
> >for Truth (haha) group.
>
> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn

Show us a connection please, or evidcence that Kerry said there wasn't one..

> >
> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread
by
> >the above group.
>
> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?

No. So what?

> >
> >- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after*
the
> >SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn
and
> >other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.
>
> MoveOn ads predated SBVT.
>

But the really effective ones are coming out now.


--
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Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
>
> Clinton was never a draft dodger (someone who illegally evaded his
> obligations)

True. he used legal means to avoid the draft. Either way, he was too much
of a pussy to go into the service.

Bush may have taken an easy road, but at least he went.

Kerry went but scorned the idea that he should be there. Came back looking
like a relative of Jane Fonda

Any way you cut it, all three are weasles of some sort. Kerry, like all
politicians, is an opportunist and tries to make himslef look like something
he is not. His medals are questionable at best.

Kerry would be in much better shape if he kept his mouth shut and let the
records speak for them selves. His "reporting for duty" comment and salute
was enough to make a mature person puke.
Ed

"Edwin Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

> "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message
>>
>> Clinton was never a draft dodger (someone who illegally evaded
>> his obligations)
>
> True. he used legal means to avoid the draft.

As did Bush. He went into the National Guard.

> Either way, he was
> too much of a pussy to go into the service.

Hardly a sound argument backed up by solid information from reputable
(ie, not Murdoch) sources. I think this is some sort of personal
opinion, which you are free to hold, but please do not pretend that
it has any basis in reality.

> Bush may have taken an easy road, but at least he went.

No, he avoided service in Vietnam by going into the National Guard.

> Kerry went but scorned the idea that he should be there.

And he was the only one who though Vietnam was a bad idea but went
anyway?

> Came back
> looking like a relative of Jane Fonda

Bilious and unsubstantiated invective, badly constructed and with the
intent to make a suggestion that no one can verify anyway.

> Any way you cut it, all three are weasles of some sort. Kerry,
> like all politicians, is an opportunist and tries to make himslef
> look like something he is not. His medals are questionable at
> best.

Or not. I guess Bush's advantage is that he has no combat medals and
so no one can say they are questionable. Smart move on his part
avoiding the draft by going in to the National Guard.

Bwahaha!!!!

> Kerry would be in much better shape if he kept his mouth shut and
> let the records speak for them selves. His "reporting for duty"
> comment and salute was enough to make a mature person puke.

Or not. Obviously, your bias is showing. Yours can hardly be
considered a non-partisan opinion and given the level of bile spewed
by consies at democrats I would say that your arguments are weakened
by your rhethoric, not reinforced by them.

--

German to Picasso in front of Guernica: Did you do this?
Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you.

Pan Ohco wrote:

>
> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
> >
> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
> >the above group.
>
> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
> >
> >- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
> >SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
> >other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.
>
> MoveOn ads predated SBVT.

But I thought that the problem with SBVT was that they were spreading lies about
Kerry's Vietnam experience, especially in regards to the validity of his
decorations. That seems to have backfired on the Bush camp. Its bad enough to
resort to a smear campaign, but when the smear is based on lies, it reflects
badly on them, not on their target. Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
go as far as to condemn them for their lies.

Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:

>Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?

Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
with him will swear was present.

Kerry trivialized the serious wounds incurred by thousands of
veterens, and he did it to try to push up his score and get an
early rotation - which he did, four months, far less than the
year and a half most soldier served in Vietnam.

Of course this is all moot, isn't it? I mean, he did return
those metals to the gov't, didn't he? He threw them over the
fence at the White House, didn't he? So he doesn't have them
any more, right? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.

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"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
> >Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
> Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
> to the first is: NO.

Nor was spending time in a hospital typical for the majority
of wounds for which this award was given in Viet Nam. The
Purple Heart was quite literally awarded by the thousands
during that war; if the award was "trivialized" by this, it was
not Kerry that did it.

Of most interest and relevance - an apparently fairly complete
set of Kerry's military records, including (in my opinion, the
most important of these records) his fitness reports, is available
at:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html

I'm not posting this here to support either candidate; I simply
want to encourage everyone to actually review things for
themselves and draw their own opinions, and I am very tired
of this being treated as though it were actually a relevant issue
- by BOTH camps!

Bob M.

> Larry Smith
>
>Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
>>Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
>to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
>was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
>never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
>for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
>his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
>enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
>with him will swear was present.
>
>Kerry trivialized the serious wounds incurred by thousands of
>veterens, and he did it to try to push up his score and get an
>early rotation - which he did, four months, far less than the
>year and a half most soldier served in Vietnam.
>
>Of course this is all moot, isn't it? I mean, he did return
>those metals to the gov't, didn't he? He threw them over the
>fence at the White House, didn't he? So he doesn't have them
>any more, right? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.

John Kerry's real name is Kowardly Kunt... real heros may have an entire chest
full of medals but they never ever flaunt their deeds, including moi.
Flaunting ones military medals not only annuls their existance, such flaming
bravado renders one a bonafide coward. Truth be known hardly a veteran of
foriegn war has not been awarded an assortment of medals for bravery, etc.,
just being there earns a slew of em... medals are handed out no different from
traffic citations... every precinct/command has a quota to fill... TRUTH! All
anyone need do is visit a VA hospital to discover what a real hero looks like
and that Kerry is a friggin' loud mealy mouthed Kowardly Kunt... bragging
about his so-called heroism makes him lower than a draft dodger, much lower.

Friggin' punk is running on the heroism ticket 'cause he got two splinters and
a pimple... poor baby... awww

No matter what anyone thinks of Bush, all Bush gotta do is stay relatively
mum... Kerry by his own fat mouth is a loser.... the more he alludes to Nam the
more votes he piles on Bush's plate.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
> >Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
> Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
> to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
> was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
> never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
> for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
> his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
> enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
> with him will swear was present.
>

Perhaps you would like to explain how a sharpnel wound can be "self
inflicted." Let's see, he set off a hand grenade and stood next to it?

While Kerry was serving his country and risking his life, Shrubby was AWOL
and drinking beer. Guess who larry thinks is the better commander in chief?

God, some people are sooooo stupid (yes larry I am talking about you).


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
> >Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
> Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
> to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
> was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
> never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
> for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
> his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
> enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
> with him will swear was present.
>
> Kerry trivialized the serious wounds incurred by thousands of
> veterens, and he did it to try to push up his score and get an
> early rotation - which he did, four months, far less than the
> year and a half most soldier served in Vietnam.
>
> Of course this is all moot, isn't it? I mean, he did return
> those metals to the gov't, didn't he? He threw them over the
> fence at the White House, didn't he? So he doesn't have them
> any more, right? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.
>
Versus those wonderful medals W earned protecting the Louisiana contingency
going to the polls during his stint in the military....but wait, where are
all the men who served with him?

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
> >Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
> Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
> to the first is: NO.

Nor was spending time in a hospital typical for the majority
of wounds for which this award was given in Viet Nam. The
Purple Heart was quite literally awarded by the thousands
during that war; if the award was "trivialized" by this, it was
not Kerry that did it.

Of most interest and relevance - an apparently fairly complete
set of Kerry's military records, including (in my opinion, the
most important of these records) his fitness reports, is available
at:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html

I'm not posting this here to support either candidate; I simply
want to encourage everyone to actually review things for
themselves and draw their own opinions, and I am very tired
of this being treated as though it were actually a relevant issue
- by BOTH camps!

Bob M.

> Larry Smith
>
>Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
>>Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
>to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
>was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
>never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
>for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
>his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
>enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
>with him will swear was present.
>
>Kerry trivialized the serious wounds incurred by thousands of
>veterens, and he did it to try to push up his score and get an
>early rotation - which he did, four months, far less than the
>year and a half most soldier served in Vietnam.
>
>Of course this is all moot, isn't it? I mean, he did return
>those metals to the gov't, didn't he? He threw them over the
>fence at the White House, didn't he? So he doesn't have them
>any more, right? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.

John Kerry's real name is Kowardly Kunt... real heros may have an entire chest
full of medals but they never ever flaunt their deeds, including moi.
Flaunting ones military medals not only annuls their existance, such flaming
bravado renders one a bonafide coward. Truth be known hardly a veteran of
foriegn war has not been awarded an assortment of medals for bravery, etc.,
just being there earns a slew of em... medals are handed out no different from
traffic citations... every precinct/command has a quota to fill... TRUTH! All
anyone need do is visit a VA hospital to discover what a real hero looks like
and that Kerry is a friggin' loud mealy mouthed Kowardly Kunt... bragging
about his so-called heroism makes him lower than a draft dodger, much lower.

Friggin' punk is running on the heroism ticket 'cause he got two splinters and
a pimple... poor baby... awww

No matter what anyone thinks of Bush, all Bush gotta do is stay relatively
mum... Kerry by his own fat mouth is a loser.... the more he alludes to Nam the
more votes he piles on Bush's plate.


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
> >Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
> Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
> to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
> was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
> never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
> for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
> his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
> enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
> with him will swear was present.
>

Perhaps you would like to explain how a sharpnel wound can be "self
inflicted." Let's see, he set off a hand grenade and stood next to it?

While Kerry was serving his country and risking his life, Shrubby was AWOL
and drinking beer. Guess who larry thinks is the better commander in chief?

God, some people are sooooo stupid (yes larry I am talking about you).


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:
>
> >Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
> Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
> to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
> was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
> never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
> for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
> his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
> enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
> with him will swear was present.
>
> Kerry trivialized the serious wounds incurred by thousands of
> veterens, and he did it to try to push up his score and get an
> early rotation - which he did, four months, far less than the
> year and a half most soldier served in Vietnam.
>
> Of course this is all moot, isn't it? I mean, he did return
> those metals to the gov't, didn't he? He threw them over the
> fence at the White House, didn't he? So he doesn't have them
> any more, right? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.
>
Versus those wonderful medals W earned protecting the Louisiana contingency
going to the polls during his stint in the military....but wait, where are
all the men who served with him?

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:51:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Pan Ohco wrote:
>
>>
>> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
>> >
>> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
>> >the above group.
>>
>> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>> >
>> >- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
>> >SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
>> >other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.
>>
>> MoveOn ads predated SBVT.
>
>But I thought that the problem with SBVT was that they were spreading lies about
>Kerry's Vietnam experience, especially in regards to the validity of his
>decorations. That seems to have backfired on the Bush camp. Its bad enough to
>resort to a smear campaign, but when the smear is based on lies, it reflects
>badly on them, not on their target. Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
>with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
>go as far as to condemn them for their lies.

President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.
Pan Ohco

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:00:18 -0500, Pan Ohco >
arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:51:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
<snip>

> Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
>>with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
>>go as far as to condemn them for their lies.
>
>President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.
>Pan Ohco

A day late and a dollar short, AFAICS. He never specifically condemned
the Swift Boat load of cr*p. Also, AFAICS, all of Kerry's swift boat
shipmates have backed him up. I'd like to see Bush's fellow National
Guardsmen back up his claim to have done his full service, but we
can't see to *find* any.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret
had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had
been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very
good dinner." Duncan Hines

To reply, remove replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:00:18 -0500, Pan Ohco >
arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:51:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
<snip>

> Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
>>with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
>>go as far as to condemn them for their lies.
>
>President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.
>Pan Ohco

A day late and a dollar short, AFAICS. He never specifically condemned
the Swift Boat load of cr*p. Also, AFAICS, all of Kerry's swift boat
shipmates have backed him up. I'd like to see Bush's fellow National
Guardsmen back up his claim to have done his full service, but we
can't see to *find* any.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret
had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had
been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very
good dinner." Duncan Hines

To reply, remove replace "spaminator" with "cox"

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 20:00:18 -0500, Pan Ohco >
arranged random neurons, so they looked like this:

>On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:51:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
<snip>

> Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
>>with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
>>go as far as to condemn them for their lies.
>
>President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.
>Pan Ohco

A day late and a dollar short, AFAICS. He never specifically condemned
the Swift Boat load of cr*p. Also, AFAICS, all of Kerry's swift boat
shipmates have backed him up. I'd like to see Bush's fellow National
Guardsmen back up his claim to have done his full service, but we
can't see to *find* any.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret
had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had
been as full as the waitress', it would have been a very
good dinner." Duncan Hines

To reply, remove replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Pan Ohco > wrote:

> President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.

Only because he's been the brunt of some of those groups' ads.
This is yet another area where Bush gets away with flip flopping.
Bush was the one who legalized those 527 groups in the first place
when he approved the McCain-Finegold campaign finance reform bill,
and now he doesn't like them. Boo hoo.

Pan Ohco > wrote:

> President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.

Only because he's been the brunt of some of those groups' ads.
This is yet another area where Bush gets away with flip flopping.
Bush was the one who legalized those 527 groups in the first place
when he approved the McCain-Finegold campaign finance reform bill,
and now he doesn't like them. Boo hoo.

Pan Ohco (I believe) wrote:

>Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?

Don't know about the second and third but the definitive answer
to the first is: NO. It was a non-penetrating shrapnel wound that
was dressed with bacitracin. He never even saw a real doctor,
never mind the inside of a hospital, and he, himself, applied
for the purple heart. It was granted under his assurance that
his wound - though "possibly self-inflicted" - was gained under
enemy fire. Enemy fire that neither of the two men in the boat
with him will swear was present.

Kerry trivialized the serious wounds incurred by thousands of
veterens, and he did it to try to push up his score and get an
early rotation - which he did, four months, far less than the
year and a half most soldier served in Vietnam.

Of course this is all moot, isn't it? I mean, he did return
those metals to the gov't, didn't he? He threw them over the
fence at the White House, didn't he? So he doesn't have them
any more, right? Suuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeeee.

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On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:51:28 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Pan Ohco wrote:
>
>>
>> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
>> >
>> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
>> >the above group.
>>
>> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>> >
>> >- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
>> >SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
>> >other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.
>>
>> MoveOn ads predated SBVT.
>
>But I thought that the problem with SBVT was that they were spreading lies about
>Kerry's Vietnam experience, especially in regards to the validity of his
>decorations. That seems to have backfired on the Bush camp. Its bad enough to
>resort to a smear campaign, but when the smear is based on lies, it reflects
>badly on them, not on their target. Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
>with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
>go as far as to condemn them for their lies.

President Bush has denounced all 527 group ads.
Pan Ohco

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service,
> Agreed
> >
> >- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service,
jumping
> >over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
> >whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?
> Did bush say he should be elected because he is a war hero?
> Was the man who replaced Kerry (to finish his tour) killed or
> crippled.
> >
> >- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack
of
> >service and are completely silent about Bush's.
>
> As opposed to the hypocritical democrats who said that you could be
> draft dodger and be the commander in chief.
> >
> >- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat
Veterans
> >for Truth (haha) group.
>
> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
> >
> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread
by
> >the above group.
>
> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?

Yes, and he still has the shrapnel in his leg to prove it.

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> > wrote:
>
>
> >Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service,
> Agreed
> >
> >- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service,
jumping
> >over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
> >whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?
> Did bush say he should be elected because he is a war hero?
> Was the man who replaced Kerry (to finish his tour) killed or
> crippled.
> >
> >- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack
of
> >service and are completely silent about Bush's.
>
> As opposed to the hypocritical democrats who said that you could be
> draft dodger and be the commander in chief.

Clinton was never a draft dodger (someone who illegally evaded his
obligations)

> >- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat
Veterans
> >for Truth (haha) group.
>
> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn

Show us a connection please, or evidcence that Kerry said there wasn't one..

> >
> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread
by
> >the above group.
>
> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?

No. So what?

> >
> >- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after*
the
> >SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn
and
> >other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.
>
> MoveOn ads predated SBVT.
>

But the really effective ones are coming out now.


--
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Pan Ohco wrote:

>
> Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
> >
> >- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
> >the above group.
>
> Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
> >
> >- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
> >SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
> >other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.
>
> MoveOn ads predated SBVT.

But I thought that the problem with SBVT was that they were spreading lies about
Kerry's Vietnam experience, especially in regards to the validity of his
decorations. That seems to have backfired on the Bush camp. Its bad enough to
resort to a smear campaign, but when the smear is based on lies, it reflects
badly on them, not on their target. Bush and his cronies are denied a connection
with SBVT, but connections keep popping up. And the last I heard, Bush would not
go as far as to condemn them for their lies.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
> wrote:


>Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service,
Agreed
>
>- Bush using family connections to get cushy national guard service, jumping
>over 500 people on the waiting list, and then going AWOL. I wonder if
>whoever went in Shrubby's place was killed or crippled?
Did bush say he should be elected because he is a war hero?
Was the man who replaced Kerry (to finish his tour) killed or
crippled.
>
>- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack of
>service and are completely silent about Bush's.

As opposed to the hypocritical democrats who said that you could be
draft dodger and be the commander in chief.
>
>- Bush lying about his campaign's non-connection to the Swift Boat Veterans
>for Truth (haha) group.

Just as Kerry saying that he has no connection with MoveOn
>
>- The astounding gaggle of documented lies and distortions being spread by
>the above group.

Did Kerry spend any time in hospital with his three Purple Hearts?
>
>- The hypocrite Bush suddenly coming out against 527 group ads *after* the
>SBVT ads have done their damage to Kerry and *just as* ads from MoveOn and
>other Kerry-aligned groups are starting to have an effect.

MoveOn ads predated SBVT.

Pan Ohco

>
>Kerry has certainly been over-emphasizing his Vietnam service, but it pales
>to insignificance when you consider the following:
>

An understatement, to say the least. He has based his whole campaign on the
fact that three months in combat makes him qualified to be president in time of
War..

>- The hypocritical republicans who fumed and ranted about Clinton's lack of
>service and are completely silent about Bush'

Bush did serve in the National Guard, and Clinton dmonstrated AGAINST the
US..



IMHO , the 527 groups are all disgusting, but why is the one supported by
millionaire dems, ok, whereas the one supported by former military who are
speaking the truth not?
Not true??
Kerry WAS in Cambodia Christmas EVE ???
not true???

Adm. Schacte himself says that Kerry wounded himself... not enemy fire.. Not
true??

Men and women who served in VN for longer than a few months, felt it a point
of Honor NOT to go for a Purple Heart for such tiny tiny wounds.-Especially
self inflicted.
Rosie

Since this is a cooking newsgroup, I'll bring it back on topic.

Kerry's goose is cooked
Kerry is toast
If the Swift Boat Vets campaign becomes a deciding factor in the election,
it'll be the second time a Democratic presidential campaign was derailed
because of a piece of rice. Just ask Gary Hart.

Don


"Nancree" > wrote in message
...
> >I think the problem is that Kerry brought up his time in Vietnam
> >during the convention and not the issues that should be debated.
>
>
> >Pan Ohco
> >Post a follow
> -----------------------------------------
> Yes, and for some reason he emphasized it the night he accepted the
nomination
> in Boston. He and friends went to the opposite side of the Bay, got into
a
> Swift Boat, and crossed back to the convention side, cheering and kissing
> cheeks all the way. He just asked for it!!
>

"Don Hatten" > wrote in
:

> Since this is a cooking newsgroup, I'll bring it back on topic.
>
> Kerry's goose is cooked

Yum...a future president who serves goose.

Seen on a bumper sticker from Florida on highway 401 near Kingston:
"Bush...let's not elect him in 2004 either." Yes, even Canadians can
understand abstruse allusions to scrub vegetation.

You know what they say Don, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

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Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you.

Hillary is clearing her throat as we speak.

.... Bush by a landslide.

I'll have my crow well done if I'm wrong. See ya in November.

Don

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> "Don Hatten" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Since this is a cooking newsgroup, I'll bring it back on topic.
> >
> > Kerry's goose is cooked
>
> Yum...a future president who serves goose.
>
> Seen on a bumper sticker from Florida on highway 401 near Kingston:
> "Bush...let's not elect him in 2004 either." Yes, even Canadians can
> understand abstruse allusions to scrub vegetation.
>
> You know what they say Don, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.
>
> --
>
> German to Picasso in front of Guernica: Did you do this?
> Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you.

"Don Hatten" > wrote in
:

> ... Bush by a landslide.

That would be a definite sign of a lack of imagination. Being a
Canadian, I have no involvement, direct or indirect in the election,
but we as a country tend to favour Democrats.

--

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Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you.

"Don Hatten" > wrote in
:

> ... Bush by a landslide.

That would be a definite sign of a lack of imagination. Being a
Canadian, I have no involvement, direct or indirect in the election,
but we as a country tend to favour Democrats.

--

German to Picasso in front of Guernica: Did you do this?
Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you.

On 26 Aug 2004 19:37:13 GMT, Michel Boucher >
wrote:

>"Don Hatten" > wrote in
:
>
>> Since this is a cooking newsgroup, I'll bring it back on topic.
>>
>> Kerry's goose is cooked
>
>Yum...a future president who serves goose.
>
>Seen on a bumper sticker from Florida on highway 401 near Kingston:
>"Bush...let's not elect him in 2004 either." Yes, even Canadians can
>understand abstruse allusions to scrub vegetation.
>
>You know what they say Don, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.

This will be an interesting election. And a very close one I think.
Pan Ohco

"Pan Ohco" > wrote in message
...

> This will be an interesting election. And a very close one I think.
> Pan Ohco

Don't know how it will be close. John Kerry is Al Gore without the
charisma.

Later
Don