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![]() "Steve Wertz" > wrote in message ... > "Researchers who watched 60 hours of food programmes from Britain, > the United States and Canada found that for every example of > correct food handling, there were 13 food hygiene errors, > typically seven per 30-minute show." > > <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...04/wchef04.xml &sSheet=/news/2004/07/04/ixnewstop.html> > > And my favorite quote from Nigella Lawson: > > "I always make a point of washing my hands before I handle > chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would > be foolish to push it too far." > > Does chicken have the power to absorb more germs from hands than > any other foods? Duh. Well, only Nigella knows where her hands were prior to handling the chicken. |
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:09:17 -0500, Steve Wertz
> wrote: >"Researchers who watched 60 hours of food programmes from Britain, >the United States and Canada found that for every example of >correct food handling, there were 13 food hygiene errors, >typically seven per 30-minute show." > ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/04/wchef04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/04/ixnewstop.html> Although I have noticed some really off-putting food pas (faux pas with food) with TV chefs I don't worry much about it because they're not cooking for me. It's the thought of what goes on in the restaurants when there are no cameras that squicks me. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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_.-In rec.food.cooking, Steve Wertz wrote the following -._
> Does chicken have the power to absorb more germs from hands than > any other foods? Duh. I am all for saying WTF when cooking. I figure that anything I cook will be at more than 165 degrees at some point in the cooking process so I fear little for food poisoning. And only get it from eating out. Anyone who is paranoid about germs should watch/listen/read George Carlins rant on germs. I tried to find it on the net but all I find is referances to it. So go get a copy of "You are all Diseased" if you haven't got it. But chicken is different. That I follow all the rules on. As Emeril once said. "When you are dealing with chicken you should wash the chicken, wash the cutting board you used the chicken on, wash the sink that you washed the chicken on, and the car you broght it home with..." Because of the way chicken is processed it is actually possible that it may end up with more salmanila[0] it started out with before processing. I will eat my pork chops still bleeding and could care more if i am eating dog or cat but chicken can be deadly if not preped properly. This actually goes for all birds and lizards. But lizard isn't as popular here as it is in some places so it doesn't get much press. Anyone got any good lizard recipies? [0] the number one cause of food poisoning in the world -- .-')) http://asciipr0n.com/fp ('-. | It's a damn poor mind that ' ..- .:" ) ( ":. -.. ' | can only think of one way to ((,,_;'.;' UIN=66618055 ';. ';_,,)) | spell a word. ((_.YIM=Faux_Pseudo :._)) | - Andrew Jackson |
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Piller wrote:
> But chicken is different. That I follow all the rules on. As Emeril > once said. "When you are dealing with chicken you should wash the > chicken, wash the cutting board you used the chicken on, wash the sink > that you washed the chicken on, and the car you broght it home > with..." Because of the way chicken is processed it is actually > possible that it may end up with more salmanila[0] it started out with > before processing. No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be foolish to push it too far." I think Steve was drawing attention to her time-ordering: She should take pains to wash her hands AFTER handling chicken. Washing them beforehand doesn't reduce the salmonella that is already on the chicken. Moreover, the chicken's going to be cooked, so any germs that got transferred from her hands to the chicken stand a good chance of being killed during the cooking process. It would have been less airheaded for her to say that she makes a point of washing her hands before she makes a salad, or something else that isn't going to be cooked further. Bob |
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> "Boob" virtual spewed:
> >Piller wrote: > >> But chicken is different. That I follow all the rules on. As Emeril >> once said. "When you are dealing with chicken you should wash the >> chicken, wash the cutting board you used the chicken on, wash the sink >> that you washed the chicken on, and the car you broght it home >> with..." Because of the way chicken is processed it is actually >> possible that it may end up with more salmanila[0] it started out with >> before processing. > >No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the >quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I >handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be >foolish to push it too far." > >I think Steve was drawing attention to her time-ordering: She should take >pains to wash her hands AFTER handling chicken. Washing them beforehand >doesn't reduce the salmonella that is already on the chicken. Moreover, the >chicken's going to be cooked, so any germs that got transferred from her >hands to the chicken stand a good chance of being killed during the cooking >process. It would have been less airheaded for her to say that she makes a >point of washing her hands before she makes a salad, or something else that >isn't going to be cooked further. Blah, blah, blah... Yoose all must be filthy dumb dagos... one should wash prior to ALL food handling... which is why I don't eat at WOP eateries (they don't bathe) and no great skill is needed anyway for boiling pasta. And anyhow, I don't want my food prepared by hands what just yanked the testicles off a squid. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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"Portnoy PENMART" wrote:
> Yoose all must be filthy dumb dagos... one should wash prior to ALL food > handling... which is why I don't eat at WOP eateries (they don't bathe) > and no great skill is needed anyway for boiling pasta. And anyhow, I > don't want my food prepared by hands what just yanked the testicles off > a squid. Sheldon, can you say that when you were in the Navy, all the hands of the cooks and the mess cranks were impeccably clean before they began handling food? (Well, I suppose you could SAY that, but you'd be lying.) Hey, here's a great sea story for you: On my first ship, the USS Nicholson (DD-982), there was a roly-poly Jewish Mess Management Specialist (i.e., cook) named Metzger. Metzger volunteered for the job of night baker. His job was to cook all the breads and pastries for the coming day. One night, the roving security patrol saw a cloud billowing out of the galley. Thinking there might be a fire, the sentry rushed in to see what was going on and to sound the alarm if necessary. But there was no emergency: Metzger had dumped flour all over the galley floor, taken off all his clothes, and was rolling around in the flour masturbating with wild abandon. Metzger's flour fetish earned him the nickname "Pillsbury Doughboy." And after that, nobody wanted the creamed chipped beef or the glazed doughnuts in the mornings. But that wasn't the end of it. A few years later, the ship pulled into drydock for overhaul in the Brooklyn Naval Shipyard. The crew was moved onto a berthing barge while the ship's berthing compartments were being refurbished. One night, one of the cooks who slept near Metzger's bunk noticed that Metzger was moving around restlessly; eventually, Metzger got out of bed, got dressed, and left the compartment. The cook called the Disbursing Officer, who grabbed his Polaroid camera and snuck into the Dry Stores storeroom. There, the Disbursing Officer snapped a photo of Metzger, who had taken off his clothes, poured a bag of flour over his head, and was enthusiastically pumping his penis. I don't know why you get so worked up about Italians; you Navy-cook Jews have some WEIRD fetishes! Bob |
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"Portnoy PENMART" wrote:
> Yoose all must be filthy dumb dagos... one should wash prior to ALL food > handling... which is why I don't eat at WOP eateries (they don't bathe) > and no great skill is needed anyway for boiling pasta. And anyhow, I > don't want my food prepared by hands what just yanked the testicles off > a squid. Sheldon, can you say that when you were in the Navy, all the hands of the cooks and the mess cranks were impeccably clean before they began handling food? (Well, I suppose you could SAY that, but you'd be lying.) Hey, here's a great sea story for you: On my first ship, the USS Nicholson (DD-982), there was a roly-poly Jewish Mess Management Specialist (i.e., cook) named Metzger. Metzger volunteered for the job of night baker. His job was to cook all the breads and pastries for the coming day. One night, the roving security patrol saw a cloud billowing out of the galley. Thinking there might be a fire, the sentry rushed in to see what was going on and to sound the alarm if necessary. But there was no emergency: Metzger had dumped flour all over the galley floor, taken off all his clothes, and was rolling around in the flour masturbating with wild abandon. Metzger's flour fetish earned him the nickname "Pillsbury Doughboy." And after that, nobody wanted the creamed chipped beef or the glazed doughnuts in the mornings. But that wasn't the end of it. A few years later, the ship pulled into drydock for overhaul in the Brooklyn Naval Shipyard. The crew was moved onto a berthing barge while the ship's berthing compartments were being refurbished. One night, one of the cooks who slept near Metzger's bunk noticed that Metzger was moving around restlessly; eventually, Metzger got out of bed, got dressed, and left the compartment. The cook called the Disbursing Officer, who grabbed his Polaroid camera and snuck into the Dry Stores storeroom. There, the Disbursing Officer snapped a photo of Metzger, who had taken off his clothes, poured a bag of flour over his head, and was enthusiastically pumping his penis. I don't know why you get so worked up about Italians; you Navy-cook Jews have some WEIRD fetishes! Bob |
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"Bob" > wrote in message >...
> No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the > quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I > handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be > foolish to push it too far." > > I think Steve was drawing attention to her time-ordering: She should take > pains to wash her hands AFTER handling chicken. Washing them beforehand > doesn't reduce the salmonella that is already on the chicken. Moreover, the > chicken's going to be cooked, so any germs that got transferred from her > hands to the chicken stand a good chance of being killed during the cooking > process. It would have been less airheaded for her to say that she makes a > point of washing her hands before she makes a salad, or something else that > isn't going to be cooked further. I think it must be hard to wash your hands on TV, or soemthing. Maybe the water is noisy for the sound guy. Or it takes time. When I'm in the kitchen, it seems like I'm rinsing my hands, or a cutting board, or a knife, or a lid, or fruits or veggies, or wiping up a counter, or using water alllll the time. I wonder how it would be to have a kitchen where you don't use water. Karen |
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>(Karen O'Mara)
> >I think it must be hard to wash your hands on TV, or soemthing. Maybe >the water is noisy for the sound guy. Or it takes time. When I'm in >the kitchen, it seems like I'm rinsing my hands, or a cutting board, >or a knife, or a lid, or fruits or veggies, or wiping up a counter, or >using water alllll the time. > >I wonder how it would be to have a kitchen where you don't use water. Move to Italy. <g> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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>(Karen O'Mara)
> >I think it must be hard to wash your hands on TV, or soemthing. Maybe >the water is noisy for the sound guy. Or it takes time. When I'm in >the kitchen, it seems like I'm rinsing my hands, or a cutting board, >or a knife, or a lid, or fruits or veggies, or wiping up a counter, or >using water alllll the time. > >I wonder how it would be to have a kitchen where you don't use water. Move to Italy. <g> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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Bob wrote:
> No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the > quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I > handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be > foolish to push it too far." Assuming it isn't a misquote. --Charlene -- Any event, once it has occurred, can be made to appear inevitable by a competent historian. --Lee Simonson -- email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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> "Boob" virtual spewed:
> >Piller wrote: > >> But chicken is different. That I follow all the rules on. As Emeril >> once said. "When you are dealing with chicken you should wash the >> chicken, wash the cutting board you used the chicken on, wash the sink >> that you washed the chicken on, and the car you broght it home >> with..." Because of the way chicken is processed it is actually >> possible that it may end up with more salmanila[0] it started out with >> before processing. > >No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the >quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I >handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be >foolish to push it too far." > >I think Steve was drawing attention to her time-ordering: She should take >pains to wash her hands AFTER handling chicken. Washing them beforehand >doesn't reduce the salmonella that is already on the chicken. Moreover, the >chicken's going to be cooked, so any germs that got transferred from her >hands to the chicken stand a good chance of being killed during the cooking >process. It would have been less airheaded for her to say that she makes a >point of washing her hands before she makes a salad, or something else that >isn't going to be cooked further. Blah, blah, blah... Yoose all must be filthy dumb dagos... one should wash prior to ALL food handling... which is why I don't eat at WOP eateries (they don't bathe) and no great skill is needed anyway for boiling pasta. And anyhow, I don't want my food prepared by hands what just yanked the testicles off a squid. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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"Bob" > wrote in message >...
> No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the > quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I > handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be > foolish to push it too far." > > I think Steve was drawing attention to her time-ordering: She should take > pains to wash her hands AFTER handling chicken. Washing them beforehand > doesn't reduce the salmonella that is already on the chicken. Moreover, the > chicken's going to be cooked, so any germs that got transferred from her > hands to the chicken stand a good chance of being killed during the cooking > process. It would have been less airheaded for her to say that she makes a > point of washing her hands before she makes a salad, or something else that > isn't going to be cooked further. I think it must be hard to wash your hands on TV, or soemthing. Maybe the water is noisy for the sound guy. Or it takes time. When I'm in the kitchen, it seems like I'm rinsing my hands, or a cutting board, or a knife, or a lid, or fruits or veggies, or wiping up a counter, or using water alllll the time. I wonder how it would be to have a kitchen where you don't use water. Karen |
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Bob wrote:
> No disputing that you can get salmonella poisoning from chicken. But the > quote from Nigella was, "I always make a point of washing my hands before I > handle chicken. I agree that it is good to educate people, but it would be > foolish to push it too far." Assuming it isn't a misquote. --Charlene -- Any event, once it has occurred, can be made to appear inevitable by a competent historian. --Lee Simonson -- email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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Faux_Pseudo > wrote in message news:<r9JGc.210$b95.89@lakeread06>...
> _.-In rec.food.cooking, Steve Wertz wrote the following -._ > > Does chicken have the power to absorb more germs from hands than > > any other foods? Duh. > > I am all for saying WTF when cooking. I figure that anything I cook > will be at more than 165 degrees at some point in the cooking process > so I fear little for food poisoning. A good case of B. cereus food poisoning will cure you of that... -L. |
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>On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:09:17 -0500, Steve Wertz
> wrote: > >>"Researchers who watched 60 hours of food programmes from Britain, >>the United States and Canada found that for every example of >>correct food handling, there were 13 food hygiene errors, >>typically seven per 30-minute show." >> >><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/04/wchef04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/04/ixnewstop.html> Dinging Nigella for wearing rings when cooking is pretty extreme. They might also complain how few TV chefs wear head-coverings. I figure most shows are directed toward the home cook, not commercial kitchens, with empasis on recipes and techniques, not prepared food regulations. Most TV food presenters *do* make mention of precautions with chicken. I have noticed both on TV and at home that it's almost impossible to eliminate every single possible cross-contamination to utensils and surfaces. Unless one has a sink with elbow-operated taps, *washing* during prep leaves tracks. |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:30:27 GMT, Frogleg > wrote:
>Dinging Nigella for wearing rings when cooking is pretty extreme. They >might also complain how few TV chefs wear head-coverings. I figure >most shows are directed toward the home cook, not commercial kitchens, >with empasis on recipes and techniques, not prepared food regulations. Considering what a big deal that Nigella makes about separating eggs with her hands, I don't think calling her to task for wearing rings overboard. I take my rings off when needed; why can't she? TV chefs should be presenting a good example of food handling, not fashion. >Most TV food presenters *do* make mention of precautions with chicken. >I have noticed both on TV and at home that it's almost impossible to >eliminate every single possible cross-contamination to utensils and >surfaces. Unless one has a sink with elbow-operated taps, *washing* >during prep leaves tracks. Most TV chefs probably don't clean their utensils by hand (and probably have a crew that puts it in the dishwasher) so it's not too much to ask them to have a plentiful supply of tasting spoons (I do myself) and use them, rather than constantly dipping their fingers in the sauce and licking them, which seems to be a new trend on these shows these days. Even if they'd wash their hands before and after you could cut them some slack, but they don't. The worst thing I saw recently was a chef who took a bottle of Schnapp's, poured some into whatever he was making, put the bottle to his mouth and took a few gluggs, put the cap back on and put it away. That pretty much killed any interest I had in visiting his restaurant. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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>The worst thing I saw recently was a chef who took a bottle of
>Schnapp's, poured some into whatever he was making, put the bottle to >his mouth and took a few gluggs, put the cap back on and put it away. >That pretty much killed any interest I had in visiting his restaurant. > >Sue(tm) Schnapps is pretty potent, excellent wound anticeptic... the mouth of that bottle is very likely more sanitary than any drinking vessel in your cupboard... but I agree, swigging booze in public like that is highly indicative of basic ill breeding... should have offered a swig all around. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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![]() Curly Sue wrote: > Considering what a big deal that Nigella makes about separating eggs > with her hands, I don't think calling her to task for wearing rings > overboard. I take my rings off when needed; why can't she? > > TV chefs should be presenting a good example of food handling, not > fashion. You have to consider that Nigella is British and that the Brits are generally slobs. -- Best Greg |
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![]() Curly Sue wrote: > Considering what a big deal that Nigella makes about separating eggs > with her hands, I don't think calling her to task for wearing rings > overboard. I take my rings off when needed; why can't she? > > TV chefs should be presenting a good example of food handling, not > fashion. You have to consider that Nigella is British and that the Brits are generally slobs. -- Best Greg |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:30:27 GMT, Frogleg
> wrote: > Dinging Nigella for wearing rings when cooking is pretty extreme. I've never seen Nigella, but I've seen plenty of others cook (heck make pasta dough by hand) while wearing rings with huge shiny stones. I can't take my eyes off their hands, because they never dirty those rings. It's a technique that's passed right by me. Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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sf > wrote in
: > I've never seen Nigella, but I've seen plenty of others cook > (heck make pasta dough by hand) while wearing rings with > huge shiny stones. I can't take my eyes off their hands, > because they never dirty those rings. It's a technique > that's passed right by me. I recall seeing that on Two Fat Ladies, typically when neading some big hunk of meatloaf or even more message meat concoction. |
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sf > wrote in
: > I've never seen Nigella, but I've seen plenty of others cook > (heck make pasta dough by hand) while wearing rings with > huge shiny stones. I can't take my eyes off their hands, > because they never dirty those rings. It's a technique > that's passed right by me. I recall seeing that on Two Fat Ladies, typically when neading some big hunk of meatloaf or even more message meat concoction. |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:30:27 GMT, Frogleg > wrote:
>Dinging Nigella for wearing rings when cooking is pretty extreme. They >might also complain how few TV chefs wear head-coverings. I figure >most shows are directed toward the home cook, not commercial kitchens, >with empasis on recipes and techniques, not prepared food regulations. Considering what a big deal that Nigella makes about separating eggs with her hands, I don't think calling her to task for wearing rings overboard. I take my rings off when needed; why can't she? TV chefs should be presenting a good example of food handling, not fashion. >Most TV food presenters *do* make mention of precautions with chicken. >I have noticed both on TV and at home that it's almost impossible to >eliminate every single possible cross-contamination to utensils and >surfaces. Unless one has a sink with elbow-operated taps, *washing* >during prep leaves tracks. Most TV chefs probably don't clean their utensils by hand (and probably have a crew that puts it in the dishwasher) so it's not too much to ask them to have a plentiful supply of tasting spoons (I do myself) and use them, rather than constantly dipping their fingers in the sauce and licking them, which seems to be a new trend on these shows these days. Even if they'd wash their hands before and after you could cut them some slack, but they don't. The worst thing I saw recently was a chef who took a bottle of Schnapp's, poured some into whatever he was making, put the bottle to his mouth and took a few gluggs, put the cap back on and put it away. That pretty much killed any interest I had in visiting his restaurant. Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:30:27 GMT, Frogleg
> wrote: > Dinging Nigella for wearing rings when cooking is pretty extreme. I've never seen Nigella, but I've seen plenty of others cook (heck make pasta dough by hand) while wearing rings with huge shiny stones. I can't take my eyes off their hands, because they never dirty those rings. It's a technique that's passed right by me. Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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![]() Curly Sue wrote: > > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:09:17 -0500, Steve Wertz > > wrote: > > >"Researchers who watched 60 hours of food programmes from Britain, > >the United States and Canada found that for every example of > >correct food handling, there were 13 food hygiene errors, > >typically seven per 30-minute show." > > > ><http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/04/wchef04.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/04/ixnewstop.html> > > Although I have noticed some really off-putting food pas (faux pas > with food) with TV chefs I don't worry much about it because they're > not cooking for me. It's the thought of what goes on in the > restaurants when there are no cameras that squicks me. > > Sue(tm) Oh yes! After I worked in a restaurant kitchen while in secondary school, didn't want to go out to eat for nearly a year I think LOL! Got told off for trying to work 'too clean'. |
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Arri London wrote:
> > > Oh yes! After I worked in a restaurant kitchen while in secondary > school, didn't want to go out to eat for nearly a year I think LOL! Got > told off for trying to work 'too clean'. Is it possible to be 'too clean' when dealing with food? gloria p |
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![]() Puester wrote: > > Arri London wrote: > > > > > > Oh yes! After I worked in a restaurant kitchen while in secondary > > school, didn't want to go out to eat for nearly a year I think LOL! Got > > told off for trying to work 'too clean'. > > Is it possible to be 'too clean' when dealing with food? > > gloria p LOL! Apparently to that place it was. Perhaps they thought it would slow down operations, but it didn't. |
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![]() Puester wrote: > > Arri London wrote: > > > > > > Oh yes! After I worked in a restaurant kitchen while in secondary > > school, didn't want to go out to eat for nearly a year I think LOL! Got > > told off for trying to work 'too clean'. > > Is it possible to be 'too clean' when dealing with food? > > gloria p LOL! Apparently to that place it was. Perhaps they thought it would slow down operations, but it didn't. |
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:35 GMT, "Vox Humana"
> wrote: > Well, only Nigella knows where her hands were prior to handling the chicken. I think it's even more important to wash your hands after handling the chicken and before handling something else. Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:12:35 GMT, "Vox Humana"
> wrote: > Well, only Nigella knows where her hands were prior to handling the chicken. I think it's even more important to wash your hands after handling the chicken and before handling something else. Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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