I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Burt Morgan
> reported Elvis on Sat, 21 Mar 2009
16:49:07 +0000 in misc.survivalism:
>With Russia spending many -billions- on rearmament and new nuclear weapons, I
>think it's time to clean out and make good the bomb shelter so that it's ready
>for the inevitable nuclear war. I'm now restocking it with new food.
>
>What would you guys suggest I stock my shelter with? Remember these goods have
>to have a real good shelf life and provide enough nutrition for a family of four
>for the duration.

What you use currently. I mean, no sense stocking a five year
supply of lentils, peanut butter and vegemite, and nobody in your
family likes any of those. You're not saving any money if you don't
eat it.
Make sure you have a second can opener, not to mention beer tap
(if you're going the keg route).

There a lot of sources for stuff with a "five years" shelf life,
variations on the MR. Some of it is quite good.
Best advice is to use the shelter as part of the pantry, and as
you use stuff up, get more. That way, when the balloon goes up,
you'll have something "fresh" on hand. Plus you get to find out how
well stuff holds up over time. Bottled water, for the same sort of
reason. As I said last winter when the pipe froze "No power I can
handle. Same goes for no phone (ISP dial up). But no water is
serious. I mean, we're talking no coffee! This is a crisis!." [I
survived; went out for a hot coffee, got bottled water, and the pipe
unthawed w/o damage.]
And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
be a bit much. Might.
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you fnally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you learn it's a Government Project building more tunnel.

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:42:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> wrote:

>unthawed w/o damage.]
> And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
>method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
>move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
>Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>be a bit much. Might.


Or might not be enough.


"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product*
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu
*

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
> reported Elvis on Sat, 21 Mar 2009
19:09:27 -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:42:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> wrote:
>
>>unthawed w/o damage.]
>> And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
>>method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
>>move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
>>Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>>be a bit much. Might.
>
>
>Or might not be enough.

Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
toilet paper?
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you fnally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you learn it's a Government Project building more tunnel.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:16:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> wrote:

>I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
> reported Elvis on Sat, 21 Mar 2009
>19:09:27 -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:42:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> wrote:
>>
>>>unthawed w/o damage.]
>>> And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
>>>method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
>>>move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
>>>Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>>>be a bit much. Might.
>>
>>
>>Or might not be enough.
>
> Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
>toilet paper?

Sure. Id not buy 20 yrs worth of butt wipe. Id buy 5 yrs.
And trading stock that I can use to buy butt wipe in 5. oo1 yrs

Gunner

>-
>pyotr filipivich.
>Just about the time you fnally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>you learn it's a Government Project building more tunnel.

"Human nature is bad. Good is a human product*
A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
and moral principles."
—Sun Tzu
*

Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:16:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> > wrote:
>
>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>> > reported Elvis on Sat, 21 Mar 2009
>> 19:09:27 -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:42:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> unthawed w/o damage.]
>>>> And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
>>>> method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
>>>> move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
>>>> Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>>>> be a bit much. Might.
>>>
>>> Or might not be enough.
>> Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
>> toilet paper?
>
> Sure. Id not buy 20 yrs worth of butt wipe. Id buy 5 yrs.
> And trading stock that I can use to buy butt wipe in 5. oo1 yrs
>
> Gunner
>


Actually better to trade over to a toilet wash cloth and more
environmentally friendly. The Romans used a sea sponge on a stick. Now
you can imagine where getting 'the rough end of the stick' originated
from. I gather it wasn't the end with the sponge )

>> -
>> pyotr filipivich.
>> Just about the time you fnally see light at the end of the tunnel,
>> you learn it's a Government Project building more tunnel.
>
> "Human nature is bad. Good is a human product
> A warped piece of wood must be steamed and forced
> before it is made straight; a metal blade must be put to the whetstone
> before it becomes sharp. Since the nature of people is bad, to become corrected
> they must be taught by teachers and to be orderly they must acquire ritual
> and moral principles."
> —Sun Tzu
>


--
Ginny - In West Australia

I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Ginny
> reported Elvis on Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:48:07
+0900 in misc.survivalism:
>Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:16:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>>> > reported Elvis on Sat, 21 Mar 2009
>>> 19:09:27 -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:42:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> unthawed w/o damage.]
>>>>> And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
>>>>> method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
>>>>> move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
>>>>> Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>>>>> be a bit much. Might.
>>>>
>>>> Or might not be enough.
>>> Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
>>> toilet paper?
>>
>> Sure. Id not buy 20 yrs worth of butt wipe. Id buy 5 yrs.
>> And trading stock that I can use to buy butt wipe in 5. oo1 yrs
>
>Actually better to trade over to a toilet wash cloth and more
>environmentally friendly. The Romans used a sea sponge on a stick. Now
>you can imagine where getting 'the rough end of the stick' originated
>from. I gather it wasn't the end with the sponge )

"Rough as a cob" - from the use of corn cobs.

And the thought of twenty years of TP for some reason always
reminds me of the movie "Dark Star". One of John Carpenter's earliest
projects.


pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you fnally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you learn it's a Government Project building more tunnel.

pyotr filipivich wrote:
> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Ginny
> > reported Elvis on Mon, 23 Mar 2009 11:48:07
> +0900 in misc.survivalism:
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:16:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Gunner Asch
>>>> > reported Elvis on Sat, 21 Mar 2009
>>>> 19:09:27 -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:42:57 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> unthawed w/o damage.]
>>>>>> And figure on getting more than you think you will need. One
>>>>>> method is to take the Official Government Estimate, double it, and
>>>>>> move to the next unit of time. Umm, but be reasonable. I mean, if the
>>>>>> Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>>>>>> be a bit much. Might.
>>>>> Or might not be enough.
>>>> Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
>>>> toilet paper?
>>> Sure. Id not buy 20 yrs worth of butt wipe. Id buy 5 yrs.
>>> And trading stock that I can use to buy butt wipe in 5. oo1 yrs
>> Actually better to trade over to a toilet wash cloth and more
>> environmentally friendly. The Romans used a sea sponge on a stick. Now
>> you can imagine where getting 'the rough end of the stick' originated
>> from. I gather it wasn't the end with the sponge )
>
> "Rough as a cob" - from the use of corn cobs.
>
> And the thought of twenty years of TP for some reason always
> reminds me of the movie "Dark Star". One of John Carpenter's earliest
> projects.
>
>
> pyotr
> -
> pyotr filipivich.
> Just about the time you fnally see light at the end of the tunnel,
> you learn it's a Government Project building more tunnel.

20 yrs of TP is ALOT of storage. I'd have rats and mice in after the
first 6 months. Better to learn how to make paper or as you suggest,
find a local alternative. Rough may be better than nothing.

--
Ginny - In West Australia

In article >,
Gunner Asch > wrote:

> > Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
> >toilet paper?
>
> Sure. Id not buy 20 yrs worth of butt wipe. Id buy 5 yrs.
> And trading stock that I can use to buy butt wipe in 5. oo1 yrs
>
> Gunner

You'd probably be better off just storing a bunch of wash cloths and a
wash board.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
Winston_Smith > wrote:

> pyotr filipivich > wrote:
> >
> >> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> >>> I mean, if the
> >>>Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
> >>>be a bit much. Might.
> >>
> >>
> >>Or might not be enough.
> >
> > Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
> >toilet paper?
>
> Which brings us to recycling.

<laughs>
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:26:02 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:

> pyotr filipivich > wrote:
>
>>> pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
>>>> I mean, if the
>>>>Gov says "plan for a year", laying in supplies for two decades might
>>>>be a bit much. Might.
>>>
>>>
>>>Or might not be enough.
>>
>> Have you considered where you would store a 20 year supply of
>>toilet paper?
>
> Which brings us to recycling.

you can make toilet paper out of shit now?

blake