Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.

Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds cooking
time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a tall glass of ice
cold fat-free milk.

Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.

Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential

You?

Andy

In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
>
> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds cooking
> time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
> nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a tall glass of ice
> cold fat-free milk.
>
> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
> kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
> outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.
>
> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
>
> You?
>
> Andy

I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
for the very reason you just posted.

Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
>
> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> with Dicoumaral baits.

Have you ever had internal bleeding? It's exceedingly painful.

Carol

In article
>,
Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:

> On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
> >
> > I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> > with Dicoumaral baits.
>
> Have you ever had internal bleeding? It's exceedingly painful.
>
> Carol

The rats I find tend to bleed rectally.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:47:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
>
>> On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
>>>
>>> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
>>> with Dicoumaral baits.
>>
>> Have you ever had internal bleeding? It's exceedingly painful.
>>
>> Carol
>
> The rats I find tend to bleed rectally.

somehow that doesn't seem like much of a mercy. i thought traps were
designed to snap their necks.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:47:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article
> > >,
> > Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> >>> with Dicoumaral baits.
> >>
> >> Have you ever had internal bleeding? It's exceedingly painful.
> >>
> >> Carol
> >
> > The rats I find tend to bleed rectally.
>
> somehow that doesn't seem like much of a mercy. i thought traps were
> designed to snap their necks.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Read Andy's post about the traveling moustrap. Sometimes it catches them
across the middle of the back, breaks their back and they die a slow
death.

I'm ok with snap traps, it's just not enough for the problems I've had
with the rats outside. There are too many of them in this area.

I poison out the batch living here and more move in from the surrounding
neighborhood no matter how "clean" I keep my property.

I put out pellets mixed with peanut butter to get them to consume it
faster 2 to 4 times per year in dog proofed bait stations. The peanut
butter cuts down on the number of days I have to do morning carcass
patrol as they eat it a LOT faster. I have 1/4 acre.

I've been fighting the MF-ers for 21 years. Poison is the only way to
keep them reasonably under control.

If my neighbors would do the same, we might be able to eradicate them.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:25:58 -0800 (PST), Damsel in dis Dress
> wrote:

>On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
>>
>> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
>> with Dicoumaral baits.
>
>Have you ever had internal bleeding? It's exceedingly painful.
>
You're right. I've never heard anyone say death by poisoning was a
"good" way to die.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:12:25 -0800, sf wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:25:58 -0800 (PST), Damsel in dis Dress
> > wrote:
>
>>On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
>>>
>>> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
>>> with Dicoumaral baits.
>>
>>Have you ever had internal bleeding? It's exceedingly painful.
>>
> You're right. I've never heard anyone say death by poisoning was a
> "good" way to die.

i seem to recall some tender-hearted soul using some kind of bait laced
with barbiturates.

your pal,
blake

On Dec 22, 12:32*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:12:25 -0800, sf wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:25:58 -0800 (PST), Damsel in dis Dress
> > > wrote:
>
> >>On Dec 21, 6:23*am, Omelet > wrote:
>
> >>> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> >>> with Dicoumaral baits.
>
> >>Have you ever had internal bleeding? *It's exceedingly painful.
>
> > You're right. *I've never heard anyone say death by poisoning was a
> > "good" way to die.
>
> i seem to recall some tender-hearted soul using some kind of bait laced
> with barbiturates.
>
> your pal,
> blake

================================
Maybe we need to build rodent hospices
Lynn in Fargo

Omelet said...

> In article >, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
>>
>> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds
>> cooking time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two
>> slices of nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a
>> tall glass of ice cold fat-free milk.
>>
>> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into
>> the kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I
>> took him outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's
>> happier now.
>>
>> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
>>
>> You?
>>
>> Andy
>
> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> for the very reason you just posted.
>
> Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.


I'm not for poison pellets. Next thing you have dead mice inside the walls
stinking up the place.

Agreed about the glue traps. I'm not big on torture either!

Andy

In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Omelet said...
>
> > In article >, Andy > wrote:
> >
> >> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
> >>
> >> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds
> >> cooking time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two
> >> slices of nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a
> >> tall glass of ice cold fat-free milk.
> >>
> >> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into
> >> the kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I
> >> took him outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's
> >> happier now.
> >>
> >> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
> >>
> >> You?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >
> > I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> > with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> > for the very reason you just posted.
> >
> > Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.
>
>
> I'm not for poison pellets. Next thing you have dead mice inside the walls
> stinking up the place.
>
> Agreed about the glue traps. I'm not big on torture either!
>
> Andy

Repeater traps are good for mice. There is no suffering there as they
are live traps.

How you dispose of them is up to you.

No way am I going to live trap rats around here!

If you choose to do that, take them at least a mile away.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
> In article >, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
>>
>> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds cooking
>> time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
>> nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a tall glass of ice
>> cold fat-free milk.
>>
>> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
>> kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
>> outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.
>>
>> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
>>
>> You?
>>
>> Andy
>
> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> for the very reason you just posted.
>
> Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.

I have not had a snap trap failure. I have had a mouse,
apparently poisoned by neighbors, dying a slow death in my garage.
It was not a pleasant sight.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >, Andy > wrote:
> >
> >> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
> >>
> >> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds
> >> cooking
> >> time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
> >> nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a tall glass of
> >> ice
> >> cold fat-free milk.
> >>
> >> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
> >> kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
> >> outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.
> >>
> >> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
> >>
> >> You?
> >>
> >> Andy
> >
> > I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> > with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> > for the very reason you just posted.
> >
> > Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.
>
> I have not had a snap trap failure. I have had a mouse,
> apparently poisoned by neighbors, dying a slow death in my garage.
> It was not a pleasant sight.

I wonder what kind of poison they used?
The Coumadin baits I use, I have found still live, dying rats. They are
just very weak and tired. No convulsions or anything.

I put them out of their misery when I find them that way.

They frequently are found dead or dying near the dogs water dishes.
Bleeding makes you thirsty.

Usually the border collie or the lab chow take care of that chore for me.

Sorry, but I've learned to hate rats over the last 21 years. Like I said
in a previous post, they have cost me literally thousands in property
damage.

They chew and burrow.

A LOT.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:23:05 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
>with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
>for the very reason you just posted.

I prefer snap traps. That way they don't crawl into a wall or some
other hard to get at place to die and stink up the place for another 2
weeks.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:23:05 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> >with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> >for the very reason you just posted.
>
> I prefer snap traps. That way they don't crawl into a wall or some
> other hard to get at place to die and stink up the place for another 2
> weeks.

I don't have rodents in the house, fortunately, but was getting close.

Hence the 6K rock wall.

I cashed in emergency funds (investment capital) to take care of it. I
did not wish to go any deeper into credit debt nor refinance.

I've only 3 years left on this morgage!

I will have to pay income taxes on that 6k, but it was necessary.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:30:33 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>I've only 3 years left on this morgage!

YAY! Then the roof will need a total replacement or something else
that'll put a hole in your pocket. Ah, the joys of home ownership.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:30:33 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >I've only 3 years left on this morgage!
>
> YAY! Then the roof will need a total replacement or something else
> that'll put a hole in your pocket. Ah, the joys of home ownership.

<lol> It got replaced after the last hail storm... but the challenge of
home repairs never ends. <g>

The rock skirt will help. I want to rock the entire house over
eventually. Nothing more insulating than limestone and the contractor
thinks he can do the entire mess for maybe another 12K. The reinforced
footing, drilled into the original foundation, was done this go-round!
He set it up to support the weight of a full rock facing as I discussed
my long term plans with him.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:
>
> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> for the very reason you just posted.
>
> Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.

There was a mouse problem at the place we have church camp. It's out in
the woods, so I suspect they're mostly field mice. It's not rented out
during the winter, and there is no food stored there. A local woman who
keeps raptors was pretty insistent about recommending snap traps. The
poisoned mice are easy targets for the raptors, except then the poison
kills them also. Since the raptors are a good method of controlling
rodents, it's not a good idea to kill them.

If folks have pets in the neighborhood, this may not be a good thing.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
> >
> > I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
> > with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
> > for the very reason you just posted.
> >
> > Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.
>
> There was a mouse problem at the place we have church camp. It's out in
> the woods, so I suspect they're mostly field mice. It's not rented out
> during the winter, and there is no food stored there. A local woman who
> keeps raptors was pretty insistent about recommending snap traps. The
> poisoned mice are easy targets for the raptors, except then the poison
> kills them also. Since the raptors are a good method of controlling
> rodents, it's not a good idea to kill them.
>
> If folks have pets in the neighborhood, this may not be a good thing.

I have yet to meet a dog that eats dead rats. Not even my own will.
There are almost no loose cats around here. We live on a busy street so
loose cats don't live long. :-(

I go around and pick up rat carcasses.

There are too many to use traps on. I really have no choice! I've tried
snap and box traps. The rats reproduce too quickly.

Sorry!

I was hesitant to use poison at first too. By the time I finally did
start to use it, the first go-round, the carcass count slowed down at 46
rats I picked up in 2 weeks. They get out of hand rapidly.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:29:15 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>>
>> I poison rodents. The bleed to death peacefully (altho' a bit thirsty)
>> with Dicoumaral baits. I HAVE used snap traps but don't like them much
>> for the very reason you just posted.
>>
>> Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them outlawed.
>
> There was a mouse problem at the place we have church camp. It's out in
> the woods, so I suspect they're mostly field mice. It's not rented out
> during the winter, and there is no food stored there. A local woman who
> keeps raptors was pretty insistent about recommending snap traps. The
> poisoned mice are easy targets for the raptors, except then the poison
> kills them also. Since the raptors are a good method of controlling
> rodents, it's not a good idea to kill them.
>
> If folks have pets in the neighborhood, this may not be a good thing.

depends on the pets.

your pal,
blake

Omelet wrote on Sun, 21 Dec 2008 06:23:05 -0600:

> Glue traps are an abomination and I'd like to see them
> outlawed. --
> Peace! Om

I have to agree that glue traps sound a bit horrible but, given the
mouse's fast metabolism and heart beat, it probably dies very quickly
from thirst or starvation.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Dec 21, 4:31*am, Andy > wrote:
> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
>
> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds cooking
> time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
> nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat *roll with a tall glass of ice
> cold fat-free milk.
>
> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
> kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
> outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.
>
> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
>
> You?
>
> Andy

Get a cat - it's much "greener" don't you think?
Lynn in Fargo

In article
>,
Lynn from Fargo > wrote:

> On Dec 21, 4:31*am, Andy > wrote:
> > Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
> >
> > Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds
> > cooking
> > time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
> > nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat *roll with a tall glass of
> > ice
> > cold fat-free milk.
> >
> > Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
> > kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
> > outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.
> >
> > Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
> >
> > You?
> >
> > Andy
>
> Get a cat - it's much "greener" don't you think?
> Lynn in Fargo

Talk about torturing the rodents to death? <g>
Plus cats like to leave "presents" of partial rodent bits and parts for
you to step in. Bird bits too.

I do, however, have cats. But no rodents indoors to date! The norway
rat issue is all outdoors but they've cost me thousands in outdoor
property damage over the past 21 years. :-( I just paid 6K to have a 36"
limestone skirting put up around the house to keep the damned things out
of the outdoor walls. It's ok tho' as it improved noise insulation and
property value.

My cats don't go outside. Two of the three dogs kill rats, but not
enough. The dogs don't eat their kills so poisoning the rats is safe for
my pets.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:16:09 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>I do, however, have cats. But no rodents indoors to date! The norway
>rat issue is all outdoors but they've cost me thousands in outdoor
>property damage over the past 21 years. :-( I just paid 6K to have a 36"
>limestone skirting put up around the house to keep the damned things out
>of the outdoor walls. It's ok tho' as it improved noise insulation and
>property value.

Mom used to feed (and neuter) feral cats just enough to keep them
around and they kept the rodent population under control. Coyotes
kept the feel cat population under control.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:16:09 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >I do, however, have cats. But no rodents indoors to date! The norway
> >rat issue is all outdoors but they've cost me thousands in outdoor
> >property damage over the past 21 years. :-( I just paid 6K to have a 36"
> >limestone skirting put up around the house to keep the damned things out
> >of the outdoor walls. It's ok tho' as it improved noise insulation and
> >property value.
>
> Mom used to feed (and neuter) feral cats just enough to keep them
> around and they kept the rodent population under control. Coyotes
> kept the feel cat population under control.

The dog pound keeps the feral cat population at zero using traps.

Unfortunately for our neighborhood. :-(

That would be far more efficient.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:31:40 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:16:09 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I do, however, have cats. But no rodents indoors to date! The norway
>> >rat issue is all outdoors but they've cost me thousands in outdoor
>> >property damage over the past 21 years. :-( I just paid 6K to have a 36"
>> >limestone skirting put up around the house to keep the damned things out
>> >of the outdoor walls. It's ok tho' as it improved noise insulation and
>> >property value.
>>
>> Mom used to feed (and neuter) feral cats just enough to keep them
>> around and they kept the rodent population under control. Coyotes
>> kept the feel cat population under control.
>
>The dog pound keeps the feral cat population at zero using traps.
>
>Unfortunately for our neighborhood. :-(

Too bad.
>
>That would be far more efficient.

Maybe your animal control needs more to do.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:16:09 -0600, Omelet >
>wrote:

>>I do, however, have cats. But no rodents indoors to date! The norway
>>rat issue is all outdoors but they've cost me thousands in outdoor
>>property damage over the past 21 years. :-( I just paid 6K to have a 36"
>>limestone skirting put up around the house to keep the damned things out
>>of the outdoor walls. It's ok tho' as it improved noise insulation and
>>property value.

>Mom used to feed (and neuter) feral cats just enough to keep them
>around and they kept the rodent population under control. Coyotes
>kept the feel cat population under control.

The first line of defense against rodents is exclusion. The
second line is cats. If both those fail, I use Havahart
humane traps. I've never had to resort to poison or killer
traps. Poison especially seems a bad idea as you might
inadvertanty poison a cat.

Steve

Andy wrote:
> Couldn't wait for Sunday brunch and other oddities.
>
> Nucularized Eggbeaters (+ 1 tablespoon fat-free milk [add 30 seconds cooking
> time]) peppered to death, a slice of cheddar cheese and two slices of
> nucularized bacon on a whole grain whole wheat roll with a tall glass of ice
> cold fat-free milk.
>
> Found a traveling mousetrap in front of the fridge when I walked into the
> kitchen. poor mouse got it across the belly and refused to die. I took him
> outside and put him out of his misery with a brick. He's happier now.
>
> Movie of the morning: L.A. Confidential
>
> You?
>
> Andy

Oh ick (re the mouse).

No going out for us, because we have more snow, which will later
ice up. (The only outing I will get will be to shovel up as much
snow as possible, so the ice is less thick.)

I just had egg, pastrami (forgot I had that) and cheese in a
low-carb pita pocket. Cafe au lait (x2), of course.

--
Jean B.