Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but she
just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I intend on using one
to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. Anything I should
know? Does the turkey brown with a bag?

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but she
> just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I intend on using one
> to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. Anything I should
> know? Does the turkey brown with a bag?
>
> nb

I hope you have a large baking sheet to put everything on, since the bag
isn't going to provide support.

The turkey is not likely to brown in the bag, but if you tear open the
top near the end of cooking and crank up the oven you'll probably do ok.

The fond at the bottom of the bag will be more difficult to deglaze to
use for gravy making.

Personally I'd just hit the local grocery store for one of the large
disposable AL roasting pans.

notbob wrote:
> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey,
> but she just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I
> intend on using one to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the
> legs. Anything I should know? Does the turkey brown with a bag?

Sara Moulton was on Good Morning America, someone called
in with that question. A) She liked the way the turkey turned
out, very moist, B) She didn't follow directions that said to put
oil on the skin, so it wasn't crispy. I doubt it would be crispy
anyway.

She also said it produced a good amount of drippings that made
wonderful gravy.

nancy

On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:13:55a, Nancy Young told us...

> notbob wrote:
>> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey,
>> but she just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I
>> intend on using one to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the
>> legs. Anything I should know? Does the turkey brown with a bag?
>
> Sara Moulton was on Good Morning America, someone called
> in with that question. A) She liked the way the turkey turned
> out, very moist, B) She didn't follow directions that said to put
> oil on the skin, so it wasn't crispy. I doubt it would be crispy
> anyway.

I think it makes a great turkey, but it’s true that the skin isn’t as
crispy. I rub mine with butter, under and over the skin. That helps. You
can also brown it under the broiler after removing from the bag.

> She also said it produced a good amount of drippings that made
> wonderful gravy.

Yes, the drippings are great, and they do make a wonderful gravy.


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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:13:55a, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey,
>>> but she just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I
>>> intend on using one to prevent splatter and possible drippage off
>>> the legs. Anything I should know? Does the turkey brown with a
>>> bag?
>>
>> Sara Moulton was on Good Morning America, someone called
>> in with that question. A) She liked the way the turkey turned
>> out, very moist, B) She didn't follow directions that said to put
>> oil on the skin, so it wasn't crispy. I doubt it would be crispy
>> anyway.
>
> I think it makes a great turkey, but it’s true that the skin isn’t as
> crispy. I rub mine with butter, under and over the skin. That
> helps. You can also brown it under the broiler after removing from
> the bag.

Perfect. The skin isn't a big deal for me, but I know people like
it, plus you'd want that nice browned look.

>> She also said it produced a good amount of drippings that made
>> wonderful gravy.
>
> Yes, the drippings are great, and they do make a wonderful gravy.

Sounds good to me. Seems funny that you would have the
advice since maybe I'm just really confused, but I thought you
hated turkey. (laugh)

nancy

On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:22:20a, Nancy Young told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:13:55a, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey,
>>>> but she just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I
>>>> intend on using one to prevent splatter and possible drippage off
>>>> the legs. Anything I should know? Does the turkey brown with a
>>>> bag?
>>>
>>> Sara Moulton was on Good Morning America, someone called
>>> in with that question. A) She liked the way the turkey turned
>>> out, very moist, B) She didn't follow directions that said to put
>>> oil on the skin, so it wasn't crispy. I doubt it would be crispy
>>> anyway.
>>
>> I think it makes a great turkey, but it’s true that the skin isn’t as
>> crispy. I rub mine with butter, under and over the skin. That
>> helps. You can also brown it under the broiler after removing from
>> the bag.
>
> Perfect. The skin isn't a big deal for me, but I know people like
> it, plus you'd want that nice browned look.
>
>>> She also said it produced a good amount of drippings that made
>>> wonderful gravy.
>>
>> Yes, the drippings are great, and they do make a wonderful gravy.
>
> Sounds good to me. Seems funny that you would have the
> advice since maybe I'm just really confused, but I thought you
> hated turkey. (laugh)
>
> nancy

Heh! I do hate turkey, Nancy, but I always cook a bone-in turkey breast
because David loves turkey. I do like the gravy, however, since it’s made
primarily with chicken stock. I will eat a token slice of turkey at the
main meal, and one turkey sandwich later in the day. After that I’m *done*
with turkey for another year.

Having said that, I use the same technique for roasting a capon, which I
really love.


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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:22:20a, Nancy Young told us...

>> Sounds good to me. Seems funny that you would have the
>> advice since maybe I'm just really confused, but I thought you
>> hated turkey. (laugh)

> Heh! I do hate turkey, Nancy, but I always cook a bone-in turkey
> breast because David loves turkey.

That's a great compromise, and if it was up to me, I'd
never make whole turkeys even though I prefer the dark
meat.

Turkey on Thanksgiving, then leftover sandwiches, then that's
it for me. The glaring hole in that story is that I buy turkey
breast for sandwiches all year long. Love my turkey sandwiches.
Other leftovers are just a desperate attempt to get rid of the
rest of the monster.

I think I was traumatized by my childhood when we'd have
turkey leftovers for what seemed like a month. Surely
we didn't.

>I do like the gravy, however,
> since it’s made primarily with chicken stock. I will eat a token
> slice of turkey at the main meal, and one turkey sandwich later in
> the day. After that I’m *done* with turkey for another year.
>
> Having said that, I use the same technique for roasting a capon,
> which I really love.

I've never had one, never mind made one.

nancy

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:22:20 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:13:55a, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>> notbob wrote:
>>>> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey,
>>>> but she just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I
>>>> intend on using one to prevent splatter and possible drippage off
>>>> the legs. Anything I should know? Does the turkey brown with a
>>>> bag?
>>>
>>> Sara Moulton was on Good Morning America, someone called
>>> in with that question. A) She liked the way the turkey turned
>>> out, very moist, B) She didn't follow directions that said to put
>>> oil on the skin, so it wasn't crispy. I doubt it would be crispy
>>> anyway.
>>
>> I think it makes a great turkey, but it¢s true that the skin isn¢t as
>> crispy. I rub mine with butter, under and over the skin. That
>> helps. You can also brown it under the broiler after removing from
>> the bag.
>
> Perfect. The skin isn't a big deal for me, but I know people like
> it, plus you'd want that nice browned look.
>
>>> She also said it produced a good amount of drippings that made
>>> wonderful gravy.
>>
>> Yes, the drippings are great, and they do make a wonderful gravy.
>
> Sounds good to me. Seems funny that you would have the
> advice since maybe I'm just really confused, but I thought you
> hated turkey. (laugh)
>
> nancy

it's called 'know the enemy.'

your pal,
blake

On Fri 28 Nov 2008 10:09:59a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:22:20 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Thu 27 Nov 2008 09:13:55a, Nancy Young told us...
>>>
>>>> notbob wrote:
>>>>> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey,
>>>>> but she just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I
>>>>> intend on using one to prevent splatter and possible drippage off
>>>>> the legs. Anything I should know? Does the turkey brown with a
>>>>> bag?
>>>>
>>>> Sara Moulton was on Good Morning America, someone called
>>>> in with that question. A) She liked the way the turkey turned
>>>> out, very moist, B) She didn't follow directions that said to put
>>>> oil on the skin, so it wasn't crispy. I doubt it would be crispy
>>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> I think it makes a great turkey, but it¢s true that the skin isn¢t as
>>> crispy. I rub mine with butter, under and over the skin. That
>>> helps. You can also brown it under the broiler after removing from
>>> the bag.
>>
>> Perfect. The skin isn't a big deal for me, but I know people like
>> it, plus you'd want that nice browned look.
>>
>>>> She also said it produced a good amount of drippings that made
>>>> wonderful gravy.
>>>
>>> Yes, the drippings are great, and they do make a wonderful gravy.
>>
>> Sounds good to me. Seems funny that you would have the
>> advice since maybe I'm just really confused, but I thought you
>> hated turkey. (laugh)
>>
>> nancy
>
> it's called 'know the enemy.'
>
> your pal,
> blake
>
>

LOL! It is indeed.

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On Thu 27 Nov 2008 08:56:24a, notbob told us...

> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but
she
> just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I intend on using
one
> to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. Anything I
should
> know? Does the turkey brown with a bag?
>
> nb
>

Yes, I use one every year. You still have to put the bag in a pan,
however.

Add a copy of tablespoons of flour to the bag. Cut several slits in the
top of the bag.

The skin does brown, but more of a golden brown, not deep brown. It also
will not be as crisp, but the meat will be much jucier.

If you want to brown and crisp the skin, you can slip it under the broiler
after removing from the bag, or use a blowtorch.

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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:56:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but she
>just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. I intend on using one
>to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. Anything I should
>know? Does the turkey brown with a bag?

My brother's mother-in-law makes the best turkey I have ever eaten by
following the directions and recipe on the oven bag package.

Tara

notbob wrote:
> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but she
> just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. �I intend on using one
> to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. �Anything I should
> know? �Does the turkey brown with a bag?

Hurry over to your nearest Dollar store, etc. and buy a couple of
large disposable aluminum pans... place one inside the other for
strength and place on a sheet pan for easier handling. Unless you
like braised turkey forget about turkey in a bag.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:53:51 -0800 (PST), Sheldon >
wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but she
>> just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. ?I intend on using one
>> to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. ?Anything I should
>> know? ?Does the turkey brown with a bag?
>
>Hurry over to your nearest Dollar store, etc. and buy a couple of
>large disposable aluminum pans... place one inside the other for
>strength and place on a sheet pan for easier handling. Unless you
>like braised turkey forget about turkey in a bag.

He's out in the boondocks. Not many dollar stores around, if I
remember that area correctly.

Christine

On 2008-11-27, Christine Dabney > wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:53:51 -0800 (PST), Sheldon >
> wrote:

>>Hurry over to your nearest Dollar store, etc. and buy a couple of
>>large disposable aluminum pans... place one inside the other for
>>strength and place on a sheet pan for easier handling. Unless you
>>like braised turkey forget about turkey in a bag.

Mom's pan was "just" big enough, so didn't use bag. Lacked a rack so placed
bird on 3 spring tongs on bottom of pan opened and layed out like a chevron.
Worked great. Unfortunately, bird still came out a bit dry, even though I
yanked at 165 deg F. Probably shoulda yanked at 160. I may try a bag at
xmas, jes as a goof.

> He's out in the boondocks. Not many dollar stores around, if I
> remember that area correctly.

We just got brand new one. Haven't been yet, but tend to avoid them. Over
the years, I've only found one or two items worth buying in over a dozen
dollar stores. Ninety-nine point nine nine percent of the stuff is
worthless junk.

nb

On Nov 27, 6:51�pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2008-11-27, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:53:51 -0800 (PST), Sheldon >
> > wrote:
> >>Hurry over to your nearest Dollar store, etc. and buy a couple of
> >>large disposable aluminum pans... place one inside the other for
> >>strength and place on a sheet pan for easier handling. �Unless you
> >>like braised turkey forget about turkey in a bag.
>
> Mom's pan was "just" big enough, so didn't use bag. �Lacked a rack so placed
> bird on 3 spring tongs on bottom of pan opened and layed out like a chevron.
> Worked great. �Unfortunately, bird still came out a bit dry, even though I
> yanked at 165 deg F. �Probably shoulda yanked at 160. �I may try a bag at
> xmas, jes as a goof.
>
> > He's out in the boondocks. �Not many dollar stores around, if I
> > remember that area correctly. �
>
> We just got brand new one. �Haven't been yet, but tend to avoid them. �Over
> the years, I've only found one or two items worth buying in over a dozen
> dollar stores. �Ninety-nine point nine nine percent of the stuff is
> worthless junk.
>
> nb

I wouldn't go out of my way but there's a Dollar store right next to
the liquor store, and some things are a very good buy... just two
weeks ago I needed black shoelaces, so since I was already there I
stopped in, they had an entire rack of laces, all kinds, all lengths.
all colors, even combo packs... I bought a pack of six pair of extra
long flat black laces for a buck. When I went into the stupidmarket
they had the exact same laces one pair for $1.29. In case anyone is
wondering the laces weren't for shoes, I really needed only part of
one lace to repair an old antique picture frame, the kind that sits on
a dresser like an easel stand, the black ribbon holding the movable
portion finally gave way. The flat black lace was perfect. I usually
stop in just to look, and usually buy some holiday decorations, cheapo
Halloween stuff was fine. Disposable aluminum pans are a bargain
there. But I agree, most of the Dollar store stuff is dreck.

On 2008-11-28, Sheldon > wrote:

> there. But I agree, most of the Dollar store stuff is dreck.

I still go in 'em and do a quick look-see. One of the rare deals I did find
in one dollar store was some lrg SS restaurant grade stock pot spoons (some
slotted), the kind the resto sply stores charge $8-10 ea for. Bought out
their entire stock and gave 'em out as gifts.

nb

"notbob" 'boondocks' wrote in message
> On 2008-11-27, Christine Dabney <wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:53:51 -0800 (PST), Sheldon >> wrote:
>
>>>Hurry over to your nearest Dollar store, etc. and buy a couple of
>>>large disposable aluminum pans... place one inside the other for
>>>strength and place on a sheet pan for easier handling. Unless you
>>>like braised turkey forget about turkey in a bag.
>
> Mom's pan was "just" big enough, so didn't use bag. Lacked a rack so
> placed
> bird on 3 spring tongs on bottom of pan opened and layed out like a
> chevron.
> Worked great. Unfortunately, bird still came out a bit dry, even though I
> yanked at 165 deg F. Probably shoulda yanked at 160. I may try a bag at
> xmas, jes as a goof.
>
>> He's out in the boondocks. Not many dollar stores around, if I
>> remember that area correctly.
>
> We just got brand new one. Haven't been yet, but tend to avoid them.
> Over
> the years, I've only found one or two items worth buying in over a dozen
> dollar stores. Ninety-nine point nine nine percent of the stuff is
> worthless junk.
>
> nb

I agree with Sheldon, try another method of trapping moisture in the turkey.
We tried a 16 lb in a bag once, ok the breast was more moist, but the bird
was swimming around in a gallon of juice and you miss the traditional roast
smell.
If we tried it again, might puncture holes in the bottom of the bag, sit it
on a wire rack, in a tray and remember to empty the tray every 30 mins.
Bertie
p.s. 'boondocks eh! your secret is safe with me :-)

My parents used one last year and it was awful. Tasted steamed.
However, they seem to screw up turkey no matter how they cook it.



On Nov 27, 9:56*am, notbob > wrote:
> Turns out mom's roasting pan is a wee bit too small for the turkey, but she
> just happens to have a couple turkey-size oven bags. *I intend on using one
> to prevent splatter and possible drippage off the legs. *Anything I should
> know? *Does the turkey brown with a bag?
>
> nb

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