I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the rest
of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html

White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA


Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)


LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent
Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that were the
sites of protests against the church's support of California's *** marriage
ban.
The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a
hazardous materials crew determined the envelope's contents were not toxic,
said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.
The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based, received a
similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto a clerk's hand.
The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by the FBI for testing.
The clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare shut down a building at
Temple Square for more than an hour, said Scott Freitag, a spokesman for the
Salt Lake City Fire Department.
None of the writing on the envelope was threatening, and the church received
no calls or messages related to the package, Freitag said.
Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged
its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning *** marriage in
California.
Authorities are looking into several theories on who sent the letters and
why, Pack said.
Anthrax mailed as a white powder to Washington lawmakers and media outlets
killed five people and sickened 17 just weeks after the attacks of September
11, 2001. Periodic hoaxes modeled on the anthrax mailings have popped up
since then but usually prove harmless.

"tar~bal" > wrote in message
m...
>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
>that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
>thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
>voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
>rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
>community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.



So, let's get this straight (so to speak).

If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
support single-sex marriage.

Just confirm that that's right, would you?



> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html
>
> White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA
>
>
> Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)
>
>
> LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent
> Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that were the
> sites of protests against the church's support of California's ***
> marriage ban.
> The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a
> hazardous materials crew determined the envelope's contents were not
> toxic, said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.
> The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based, received
> a similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto a clerk's
> hand.
> The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by the FBI for testing.
> The clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare shut down a building
> at Temple Square for more than an hour, said Scott Freitag, a spokesman
> for the Salt Lake City Fire Department.
> None of the writing on the envelope was threatening, and the church
> received no calls or messages related to the package, Freitag said.
> Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged
> its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning *** marriage in
> California.
> Authorities are looking into several theories on who sent the letters and
> why, Pack said.
> Anthrax mailed as a white powder to Washington lawmakers and media outlets
> killed five people and sickened 17 just weeks after the attacks of
> September 11, 2001. Periodic hoaxes modeled on the anthrax mailings have
> popped up since then but usually prove harmless.
>

"Andrew McGee" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tar~bal" > wrote in message
> m...
>>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>>issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
>>that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
>>thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
>>voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
>>rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the
>>homosexual community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.
>
>
>
> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>
> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> support single-sex marriage.
>
> Just confirm that that's right, would you?

The reason I am against *** marriage is primarily because of the militant
*** agenda.

"The reason I am against *** marriage is primarily because of the
militant *** agenda."--tar-bell

I respect that. But, let's not forget that this very Country's freedom
from English rule was based upon acts of "militant agenda". If we would
give the Gays their right to marry, they wouldnt NEED to get militant.

At least the Gays aren't shooting at anybody. (considering the number of
anti-*** hate crimes, that's a frickin miracle).

Hey, like Bill Mahrer said, "Why shouldnt Gays be free to be as
miserable as everybody else?"

I dont get it.

The average marriage lasts four years. The average *** "serious"
relationship lasts four years. Why get married, at all? Why not take
out a yearly Marriage Liscense, just like a fishing liscense? If you
dont want to be married any longer...just dont renew the damn liscense?
Save all those millions of dollars we spend on divorce, which ONLY makes
the lawyers rich?

That tired, "Til death do you part" crap is...a joke.
OTHER than the LEGAL stuff, tax breaks, Health benefits, and so on, who
are we kidding? We DONT stay married til death does us part, regardless
of whether we're straight or ***. With that being undeniably true...why
the hypocracy of marriage? *** OR straight?

Why dont we just say, "Do you, so-and-so, understand that you will
ultimately be raising any children that proceed from this union, alone?"
"I DO!"..."and, do YOU understand that after you deprart, this woman
will hound you every day for the rest of your natural life if you DONT
support those kids?" "I DO!"
Then...I now pronounce you Man and Wife for as long as the two of you
can stand each other!"

I mean...why not get real?
....and WTF cares whether the couple is *** or not?

Now, Im sure there are folks in here who have been married longer than
fourn years. Great! MAZEL TOV! That means, you dont mind getting your
liscense renewed each year! Wouldnt you gladly pay the five bucks?
and...wouldnt couple be a whole lot nicer to each other if they knew
that IF they arent nice...next year, their partner might NOT be willing
to renew?

LassChance

In article >,
"Andrew McGee" > wrote:

> "tar~bal" > wrote in message
> m...
> >I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
> >issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
> >that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
> >thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
> >voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
> >rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
> >community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.
>
>
>
> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>
> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> support single-sex marriage.
>
> Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>
>
But public opinion is much more likely to sway away from their
cause because of behavior like this. This is still very much a public
relations battle.

evadnikufesin wrote:
> In article >,
> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>
>> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>>
>> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
>> support single-sex marriage.
>>
>> Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>
> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> groups.
>
> Totally unamerican.

As is a tax exempt organization mascarading as a religion and getting
involved in political lobbying.

evadnikufesin wrote:
> In article >,
> martin > wrote:
>
>> evadnikufesin wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>>>>
>>>> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
>>>> support single-sex marriage.
>>>>
>>>> Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>>> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
>>> groups.
>>>
>>> Totally unamerican.
>> As is a tax exempt organization mascarading as a religion and getting
>> involved in political lobbying.
>
> Your opinion. One ex-mormon douche tells the media "my parents said the
> church told them to vote for prop 8" and everyone believes her.
>
> In court that's called hearsay.

No, it's the money and resources put into paying for lobbying.

http://mormonsfor8.com/

"In a letter dated June 29, 2008, Mormon leaders in Salt Lake City
called for church members to work hard to pass Proposition 8 in
California. "

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/...e-sex-marriage

This is political and the church should lose its tax exempt status. Keep
the hell out of other peoples' private lives.


> BTW, learn to spell "masquerading".

When you learn to keep the hell out of other peoples bedrooms

In article >,
evadnikufesin > wrote:

>
> > As is a tax exempt organization mascarading as a religion and getting
> > involved in political lobbying.
>
> Your opinion. One ex-mormon douche tells the media "my parents said the
> church told them to vote for prop 8" and everyone believes her.
Besides, even if they did they certainly have the right under the
first amendment. Also tax-exempt organizations from the VFW, to Red
Cross, to *** & ******* alliance against defamation lobby.
As was noted by The Compendium of Federal & State Regulations for
Non-Profit Organizations:
"In short, IRC 501(c)(3) organizations may take sides with respect to
**political issues**, but not political candidates." (Emphasis mine)

http://www.muridae.com/nporegulation/lobbying.html

So, obviously if the Mormons did happen to advocate for one side or
the other on Prop 8, they were certainly within their rights to do so.

In article >,
in says...
> In article >,
> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>
> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> >
> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> > support single-sex marriage.
> >
> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>
> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> groups.
>
> Totally unamerican.
>

I'm a militant *** activist myself. I regularly correspond with my
elected representatives, I've openly called the Governor of our state an
asshole, the whole nine yards.

And I say we need to push it further. Let them know that we won't be
pushed around.

In article >,
in says...
> In article > ,
> T > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > in says...
> > > In article >,
> > > "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> > > >
> > > > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> > > > support single-sex marriage.
> > > >
> > > > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
> > >
> > > Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> > > groups.
> > >
> > > Totally unamerican.
> > >
> >
> > I'm a militant *** activist myself. I regularly correspond with my
> > elected representatives, I've openly called the Governor of our state an
> > asshole, the whole nine yards.
> >
> > And I say we need to push it further. Let them know that we won't be
> > pushed around.
>
> So you're advocating hate crimes and fascism when it suits your purpose.
>
> Hypocrite.
>

Not hate crimes. However I do work for repeal of the tax exemption
enjoyed by the Catholic church. And I let them know exactly why I'm
doing so.

I wouldn't push it so far as to tag their property. I might telephone
them and tell them they're on the wrong side of the argument.

Go and **** thyself.

In article >,
evadnikufesin > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>
> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> >
> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
> > start to support single-sex marriage.
> >
> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>
> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> groups.
>
> Totally unamerican.

Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
moral police and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
like "Country First").

Tim McNamara > wrote:

> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> like "Country First").

Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
blame everything on and incite hatred against.

--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain

"Richard Maine" > wrote in message
. ..
> Tim McNamara > wrote:
>
>> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
>> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
>> like "Country First").
>
> Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
> maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> blame everything on and incite hatred against.
>

Just as you are doing with religion?

BaJoRi > wrote:

> "Richard Maine" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Tim McNamara > wrote:
> >
> >> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> >> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> >> like "Country First").
> >
> > Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
> > maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> > blame everything on and incite hatred against.
> >
> Just as you are doing with religion?

Me? Religion. When Did I say a word about religion except to mention
muslims and jews as having been used as scapegoats? Or do you just
stereotype everyone who you disagree with as obviously being all the
same? That story sounds familliar too.

Just because you disagree with two people, that doesn't mean that those
two people are interchangeable. I have my own opinions, thank you. Some
of them might well have various flaws, but they are mine. Don't ascribe
things that other people say as being mine.

--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:10:40 -0800, Richard Maine wrote:

> Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays


Are you serious?


(and
> maybe muslims thrown in)


'maybe'? Did Jews kill thousands of German civilians in terrorist
attacks? Were Jews around the world clamoring for the destruction of
Germany?


> play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> blame everything on and incite hatred against.

You're goofy.

"Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> evadnikufesin > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>>
>> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>> >
>> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
>> > start to support single-sex marriage.
>> >
>> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>>
>> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
>> groups.
>>
>> Totally unamerican.
>
> Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
> from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
> moral police

Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through *** marriage
(which to a great many people is a moral argument) and the *** lifestyle?



>and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
> the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
> fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
> homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> like "Country First").


YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:


>> Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
>> from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
>> moral police
>
> Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through *** marriage
> (which to a great many people is a moral argument)

Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
another. Arguing against forbidding it isn't.



> and the ***
> lifestyle?

Did prop 8 mention anything about 'lifestyle'?



>
>
>>and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
>> the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
>> fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
>> homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
>> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
>> like "Country First").
>
>
> YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.

"KK" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
>
>
>>> Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
>>> from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
>>> moral police
>>
>> Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through *** marriage
>> (which to a great many people is a moral argument)
>
> Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
> another.

The law books are completely full of crimes based on moral judgment.
Prostitution, gambling, child exploitation, "animal cruelty", I could cite
a million of them. They are not unique in any way.

In article >,
"BaJoRi" > wrote:

> "Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article
> > >,
> > evadnikufesin > wrote:
> >
> >> In article >,
> >> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
> >>
> >> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> >> >
> >> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
> >> > start to support single-sex marriage.
> >> >
> >> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
> >>
> >> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from
> >> fascist groups.
> >>
> >> Totally unamerican.
> >
> > Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States
> > is from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be
> > the moral police
>
> Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through ***
> marriage (which to a great many people is a moral argument) and the
> *** lifestyle?

Nope. First, I'm straight and married for 14 years so far. Second, I
believe in the freedom of people to make their own choices in this
matter. There is no "forcing" of *** marriage or the "*** lifestyle" on
anyone who doesn't want it (BTW it's not a lifestyle, sexual orientation
is wired before birth). Supporting the guarantee of equal civil rights
for all is anti-fascism.

> > and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
> > the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
> > fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
> > homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> > their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile
> > slogans like "Country First").
>
> YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.

Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his ilk. I
support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they should make
your choices for you because you can't be trusted to make the "right"
choices (that is, the choices they think you should make).

"Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "BaJoRi" > wrote:
>
>> "Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article
>> > >,
>> > evadnikufesin > wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article >,
>> >> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>> >> >
>> >> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
>> >> > start to support single-sex marriage.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>> >>
>> >> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from
>> >> fascist groups.
>> >>
>> >> Totally unamerican.
>> >
>> > Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States
>> > is from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be
>> > the moral police
>>
>> Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through ***
>> marriage (which to a great many people is a moral argument) and the
>> *** lifestyle?
>
> Nope. First, I'm straight and married for 14 years so far. Second, I
> believe in the freedom of people to make their own choices in this
> matter. There is no "forcing" of *** marriage or the "*** lifestyle" on
> anyone who doesn't want it (BTW it's not a lifestyle, sexual orientation
> is wired before birth). Supporting the guarantee of equal civil rights
> for all is anti-fascism.
>
>> > and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
>> > the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
>> > fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
>> > homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
>> > their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile
>> > slogans like "Country First").
>>
>> YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.
>
> Eh, dude, I'd say I'm plenty differentiated from Dobson and his ilk. I
> support personal freedom, whereas Dobson & Co. think they should make
> your choices for you because you can't be trusted to make the "right"
> choices (that is, the choices they think you should make).

Sorry, you have still done nothing to show that you are different. If
someone believes in the hear that homosexuality is wrong, and to have any of
it in society is wrong, your goal is to force your beliefs and what you
think is "right" on those people. In other words, no matter what the issue,
one side or the other will not be happy with the results.

"tar~bal" > wrote in message
m...
>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
>that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
>thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
>voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
>rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
>community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.

The time for constructive dialog is over, queers need to start burning down
neighborhoods like the blacks did. This is a disgrace that these backwards
assholes banned a ***'s civil rights.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 at 13:32:28, Sally Wentworth >
wrote in uk.legal :

>>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on
>>the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would
>>suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is
>>the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And
>>exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will
>>continue until the rest of us make it clear that there will be NO
>>acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they resort to
>>militant activist methods.
>
>The time for constructive dialog is over, queers need to start burning
>down neighborhoods like the blacks did.

Because there are so few terrorist threats ATM...?

>This is a disgrace that these backwards assholes banned a ***'s civil
>rights.

That's one way of looking at it...

Another is that people were just expressing an opinion over something
they find objectionable...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

In article >,
Paul Hyett > wrote:

> Sally Wentworth > wrote:
>
> >This is a disgrace that these backwards assholes banned a ***'s civil
> >rights.
>
> That's one way of looking at it...
>
> Another is that people were just expressing an opinion over something
> they find objectionable...

No, they did more than express an opinion, they voted to revoke gays'
right to marry. Voting is more than expressing an opinion. Elections
have consequences.

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

tar~bal wrote:

> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
> issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
> that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
> thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
> voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the rest
> of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
> community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.

There will be NO acceptance of the "heterosexual" community so long as
they resort to blatant, hypocritical, cross posting trollery.

Well, jeeeze, pal...the "gays" didnt send the white powder until AFTER
the fricking Mormons and other stick-up-the-ass jesus freaks voted
against their right to be married.

Im NOT a Christer, myself...but isnt there a passage in the Book that
sez something about "not judging lest YE be judged?"

If there IS a big ole white haired Guy UP There who decides who goes Up
and who goes Down...why not let Him "punish" the "evil" Gays?

How did it get to be a human's job to decide who, in love, GETS to be
married?
...and WTF earthly difference does it make to YOU? Are YOU under the
impression God NEEDS your "help"?

LassChance


Militant *** activists--› This is why you aren't accepted by normal
people

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 9:13am From:
(tar~bal)
I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would
suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is
the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And
exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will
continue until the rest of us make it clear that there will be NO
acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they resort to
militant activist methods.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html
White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA
Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were
sent Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that
were the sites of protests against the church's support of California's
*** marriage ban.
The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a
hazardous materials crew determined the envelope's contents were not
toxic, said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.
The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based,
received a similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto
a clerk's hand. The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by
the FBI for testing. The clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare
shut down a building at Temple Square for more than an hour, said Scott
Freitag, a spokesman for the Salt Lake City Fire Department.
None of the writing on the envelope was threatening, and the church
received no calls or messages related to the package, Freitag said.
Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which
encouraged its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning
*** marriage in California.
Authorities are looking into several theories on who sent the letters
and why, Pack said.
Anthrax mailed as a white powder to Washington lawmakers and media
outlets killed five people and sickened 17 just weeks after the attacks
of September 11, 2001. Periodic hoaxes modeled on the anthrax mailings
have popped up since then but usually prove harmless.

In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
> issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
> that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.

Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous Mormon
sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done this, knowing that
people like you would pin it on the gays.

How about waiting until they find out who did it before you treat us to
another anti-*** rant?

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

"D.F. Manno" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>> issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would
>> suspect
>> that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.
>
> Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous Mormon
> sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done this, knowing that
> people like you would pin it on the gays.
>
> How about waiting until they find out who did it before you treat us to
> another anti-*** rant?

Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?

In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> "D.F. Manno" > wrote:
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >
> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
> >> dialog on the issues in the *** community. While not all
> >> gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
> >> solidarity with the act.
> >
> > Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
> > Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
> > this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
> >
> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?
>
> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?

Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

"D.F. Manno" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> "D.F. Manno" > wrote:
>> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
>> >> dialog on the issues in the *** community. While not all
>> >> gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
>> >> solidarity with the act.
>> >
>> > Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
>> > Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
>> > this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
>> >
>> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
>> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?
>>
>> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?
>
> Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?

Is it your opinion that not one *** person out there could have actually
done this?

In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> D.F. Manno > wrote:
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >> D.F. Manno > wrote:
> >> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
> >> >> dialog on the issues in the *** community. While not all
> >> >> gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
> >> >> solidarity with the act.
> >> >
> >> > Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
> >> > Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
> >> > this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
> >> >
> >> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
> >> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?
> >>
> >> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?
> >
> > Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?
>
> Is it your opinion that not one *** person out there could have actually
> done this?

That's not what I said. You really need to work on that comprehension
problem.

The point is that at the moment the only person who knows who did it is
the person who did it. Your attempt to link it to *** activists is
nothing more than uninformed speculation.

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

"Michelle Steiner" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> >> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
>> >> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?
>> >>
>> >> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted,
>> >> 'kay?
>> >
>> > Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?
>>
>> Is it your opinion that not one *** person out there could have
>> actually done this?
>
> It is more likely that some anti-*** person did it in order to cast
> blame on gays.

Yeah, because gays are so upstanding and moral. Like throwing condoms in
church and swearing in front of the kids and whatnot. It's the ANTI-gays
that are terrible, not the diseased perverts...

tar~bal > wrote:

> more ****ing spam.

*plonk*
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on
> the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I
> would suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.
> This is the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the
> community. And exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind
> of thing will continue until the rest of us make it clear that there
> will be NO acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they
> resort to militant activist methods.

This is the same type of insane troll logic that was used to defend Jim
Crow. It was bullshit then and it was bullshit now.

The article that "tar~bal" cut-and-pasted draws a connection between the
envelopes and the Mormon Church's support of the ban on *** marriage,
yet no connection in known. It prejudicial supposition and nothing
more. Whatever nutbar sent those envelopes could have had a different
agenda entirely.

It makes no difference whatsoever to my life if homosexuals can marry.
The "defense of marriage" bullshit is purely that: bullshit. It's
bigotry and prejudice wrapped in a cloak of sanctity to try to make it
look better. My wife and I have been married 14 years and there is no
effect that *** marriage can have on the sanctity of our marriage.
Since *** marriage can have no deleterious effect on the marriages and
families of straight Americans, why should gays and *******s be denied
the right to marry?

The Right Wing's belief that they should have the power to interfere in
and control the private lives of others is a stunning example of their
hypocrisy. Limited government, fiscal responsibility and personal
freedom my ass. The Right Wing is about theocracy, pure and simple.
Why do they hate the Constitution?

In article >, Tim
McNamara > wrote:

> Why do they hate the Constitution?

Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
legislative process.

In article >,
"Mr. Strat" > wrote:

> Tim McNamara > wrote:
>
> > Why do they hate the Constitution?
>
> Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
> through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
> legislative process.

Article III of the Constitution establishes the courts.

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

In article >,
Mr. Strat > wrote:
>In article >, Tim
>McNamara > wrote:
>
>> Why do they hate the Constitution?
>
>Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
>through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
>legislative process.

Apparently a number of copies of the US Constitution were printed
lacking Article III. You seem to have gotten one of them. Better
replace it.


--
It's times like these which make me glad my bank is Dial-a-Mattress

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:21:06 -0600, Matthew Russotto wrote:

> In article >, Mr. Strat
> > wrote:
>>In article >, Tim McNamara
> wrote:
>>
>>> Why do they hate the Constitution?
>>
>>Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
>>through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
>>legislative process.
>
> Apparently a number of copies of the US Constitution were printed
> lacking Article III. You seem to have gotten one of them. Better
> replace it.

Is that the part with judicial review? Let's see it.

KK wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:21:06 -0600, Matthew Russotto wrote:
>
>> In article >, Mr. Strat
>> > wrote:
>>> In article >, Tim McNamara
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why do they hate the Constitution?
>>> Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
>>> through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
>>> legislative process.
>> Apparently a number of copies of the US Constitution were printed
>> lacking Article III. You seem to have gotten one of them. Better
>> replace it.
>
> Is that the part with judicial review? Let's see it.

Try reading Article VI. Or the Federalist. Or Edward Coke. Or just try
explaining what a bill of rights is good for if traitors can just
override it.

--
John W. Kennedy
"The pathetic hope that the White House will turn a Caligula into a
Marcus Aurelius is as naïve as the fear that ultimate power inevitably
corrupts."
-- James D. Barber (1930-2004)

"Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on
>> the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I
>> would suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.
>> This is the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the
>> community. And exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind
>> of thing will continue until the rest of us make it clear that there
>> will be NO acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they
>> resort to militant activist methods.
>
> This is the same type of insane troll logic that was used to defend Jim
> Crow. It was bullshit then and it was bullshit now.
>
> The article that "tar~bal" cut-and-pasted draws a connection between the
> envelopes and the Mormon Church's support of the ban on *** marriage,
> yet no connection in known. It prejudicial supposition and nothing
> more. Whatever nutbar sent those envelopes could have had a different
> agenda entirely.
>
> It makes no difference whatsoever to my life if homosexuals can marry.
> The "defense of marriage" bullshit is purely that: bullshit. It's
> bigotry and prejudice wrapped in a cloak of sanctity to try to make it
> look better. My wife and I have been married 14 years and there is no
> effect that *** marriage can have on the sanctity of our marriage.
> Since *** marriage can have no deleterious effect on the marriages and
> families of straight Americans, why should gays and *******s be denied
> the right to marry?
>
> The Right Wing's belief that they should have the power to interfere in
> and control the private lives of others is a stunning example of their
> hypocrisy. Limited government, fiscal responsibility and personal
> freedom my ass. The Right Wing is about theocracy, pure and simple.
> Why do they hate the Constitution?

No one's telling you where you can and can't stick it. Go butt**** each
other and have fun.

In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> "Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >
> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog
> >> on the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this,
> >> I would suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the
> >> act. This is the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the
> >> community. And exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This
> >> kind of thing will continue until the rest of us make it clear
> >> that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual community so
> >> long as they resort to militant activist methods.
> >
> > This is the same type of insane troll logic that was used to defend
> > Jim Crow. It was bullshit then and it was bullshit now.
> >
> > The article that "tar~bal" cut-and-pasted draws a connection
> > between the envelopes and the Mormon Church's support of the ban on
> > *** marriage, yet no connection in known. It prejudicial
> > supposition and nothing more. Whatever nutbar sent those envelopes
> > could have had a different agenda entirely.
> >
> > It makes no difference whatsoever to my life if homosexuals can
> > marry. The "defense of marriage" bullshit is purely that: bullshit.
> > It's bigotry and prejudice wrapped in a cloak of sanctity to try
> > to make it look better. My wife and I have been married 14 years
> > and there is no effect that *** marriage can have on the sanctity
> > of our marriage. Since *** marriage can have no deleterious effect
> > on the marriages and families of straight Americans, why should
> > gays and *******s be denied the right to marry?
> >
> > The Right Wing's belief that they should have the power to
> > interfere in and control the private lives of others is a stunning
> > example of their hypocrisy. Limited government, fiscal
> > responsibility and personal freedom my ass. The Right Wing is
> > about theocracy, pure and simple. Why do they hate the
> > Constitution?
>
> No one's telling you where you can and can't stick it. Go butt****
> each other and have fun.

You are just another bigoted homophobe- so much so that you can't even
conceive of a straight man supporting the rights of gays/*******s to
marry. No wonder you hide behind a sock puppet.