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tar~bal 14-11-2008 02:13 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the rest
of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html

White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA


Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)


LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent
Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that were the
sites of protests against the church's support of California's *** marriage
ban.
The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a
hazardous materials crew determined the envelope's contents were not toxic,
said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.
The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based, received a
similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto a clerk's hand.
The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by the FBI for testing.
The clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare shut down a building at
Temple Square for more than an hour, said Scott Freitag, a spokesman for the
Salt Lake City Fire Department.
None of the writing on the envelope was threatening, and the church received
no calls or messages related to the package, Freitag said.
Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged
its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning *** marriage in
California.
Authorities are looking into several theories on who sent the letters and
why, Pack said.
Anthrax mailed as a white powder to Washington lawmakers and media outlets
killed five people and sickened 17 just weeks after the attacks of September
11, 2001. Periodic hoaxes modeled on the anthrax mailings have popped up
since then but usually prove harmless.



tar~bal 14-11-2008 03:06 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"Andrew McGee" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tar~bal" > wrote in message
> m...
>>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>>issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
>>that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
>>thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
>>voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
>>rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the
>>homosexual community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.

>
>
>
> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>
> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> support single-sex marriage.
>
> Just confirm that that's right, would you?


The reason I am against *** marriage is primarily because of the militant
*** agenda.



Andrew McGee 14-11-2008 03:10 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"tar~bal" > wrote in message
m...
>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
>that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
>thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
>voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
>rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
>community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.




So, let's get this straight (so to speak).

If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
support single-sex marriage.

Just confirm that that's right, would you?



> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html
>
> White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA
>
>
> Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)
>
>
> LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were sent
> Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that were the
> sites of protests against the church's support of California's ***
> marriage ban.
> The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a
> hazardous materials crew determined the envelope's contents were not
> toxic, said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.
> The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based, received
> a similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto a clerk's
> hand.
> The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by the FBI for testing.
> The clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare shut down a building
> at Temple Square for more than an hour, said Scott Freitag, a spokesman
> for the Salt Lake City Fire Department.
> None of the writing on the envelope was threatening, and the church
> received no calls or messages related to the package, Freitag said.
> Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which encouraged
> its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning *** marriage in
> California.
> Authorities are looking into several theories on who sent the letters and
> why, Pack said.
> Anthrax mailed as a white powder to Washington lawmakers and media outlets
> killed five people and sickened 17 just weeks after the attacks of
> September 11, 2001. Periodic hoaxes modeled on the anthrax mailings have
> popped up since then but usually prove harmless.
>



Kurt Ullman 14-11-2008 04:17 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
"Andrew McGee" > wrote:

> "tar~bal" > wrote in message
> m...
> >I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
> >issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
> >that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
> >thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
> >voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
> >rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
> >community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.

>
>
>
> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>
> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> support single-sex marriage.
>
> Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>
>

But public opinion is much more likely to sway away from their
cause because of behavior like this. This is still very much a public
relations battle.

Sally Wentworth 14-11-2008 06:32 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"tar~bal" > wrote in message
m...
>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
>that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
>thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
>voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the
>rest of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
>community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.


The time for constructive dialog is over, queers need to start burning down
neighborhoods like the blacks did. This is a disgrace that these backwards
assholes banned a ***'s civil rights.


Joseph Littleshoes[_2_] 14-11-2008 06:41 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted bynormal people
 
tar~bal wrote:

> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
> issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
> that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is the kind of
> thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And exactly why I
> voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will continue until the rest
> of us make it clear that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual
> community so long as they resort to militant activist methods.


There will be NO acceptance of the "heterosexual" community so long as
they resort to blatant, hypocritical, cross posting trollery.

martin 15-11-2008 11:51 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted bynormal people
 
evadnikufesin wrote:
> In article >,
> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>
>> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>>
>> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
>> support single-sex marriage.
>>
>> Just confirm that that's right, would you?

>
> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> groups.
>
> Totally unamerican.


As is a tax exempt organization mascarading as a religion and getting
involved in political lobbying.

martin 15-11-2008 03:16 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted bynormal people
 
evadnikufesin wrote:
> In article >,
> martin > wrote:
>
>> evadnikufesin wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>>>>
>>>> If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
>>>> support single-sex marriage.
>>>>
>>>> Just confirm that that's right, would you?
>>> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
>>> groups.
>>>
>>> Totally unamerican.

>> As is a tax exempt organization mascarading as a religion and getting
>> involved in political lobbying.

>
> Your opinion. One ex-mormon douche tells the media "my parents said the
> church told them to vote for prop 8" and everyone believes her.
>
> In court that's called hearsay.


No, it's the money and resources put into paying for lobbying.

http://mormonsfor8.com/

"In a letter dated June 29, 2008, Mormon leaders in Salt Lake City
called for church members to work hard to pass Proposition 8 in
California. "

http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/...e-sex-marriage

This is political and the church should lose its tax exempt status. Keep
the hell out of other peoples' private lives.


> BTW, learn to spell "masquerading".


When you learn to keep the hell out of other peoples bedrooms

Kurt Ullman 15-11-2008 03:27 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
evadnikufesin > wrote:

>
> > As is a tax exempt organization mascarading as a religion and getting
> > involved in political lobbying.

>
> Your opinion. One ex-mormon douche tells the media "my parents said the
> church told them to vote for prop 8" and everyone believes her.

Besides, even if they did they certainly have the right under the
first amendment. Also tax-exempt organizations from the VFW, to Red
Cross, to *** & ******* alliance against defamation lobby.
As was noted by The Compendium of Federal & State Regulations for
Non-Profit Organizations:
"In short, IRC 501(c)(3) organizations may take sides with respect to
**political issues**, but not political candidates." (Emphasis mine)

http://www.muridae.com/nporegulation/lobbying.html

So, obviously if the Mormons did happen to advocate for one side or
the other on Prop 8, they were certainly within their rights to do so.

Lass Chance_2 15-11-2008 06:49 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted byn...
 
Well, jeeeze, pal...the "gays" didnt send the white powder until AFTER
the fricking Mormons and other stick-up-the-ass jesus freaks voted
against their right to be married.

Im NOT a Christer, myself...but isnt there a passage in the Book that
sez something about "not judging lest YE be judged?"

If there IS a big ole white haired Guy UP There who decides who goes Up
and who goes Down...why not let Him "punish" the "evil" Gays?

How did it get to be a human's job to decide who, in love, GETS to be
married?
...and WTF earthly difference does it make to YOU? Are YOU under the
impression God NEEDS your "help"?

LassChance


Militant *** activists--› This is why you aren't accepted by normal
people

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 9:13am From:
(tar~bal)
I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would
suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is
the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And
exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will
continue until the rest of us make it clear that there will be NO
acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they resort to
militant activist methods.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081114/D94EEP9O2.html
White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA
Nov 13, 10:08 PM (ET)
LOS ANGELES (AP) - Letters containing a suspicious white powder were
sent Thursday to Mormon temples in Los Angeles and Salt Lake City that
were the sites of protests against the church's support of California's
*** marriage ban.
The temple in the Westwood area of Los Angeles was evacuated before a
hazardous materials crew determined the envelope's contents were not
toxic, said FBI spokesman Jason Pack.
The temple in downtown Salt Lake City, where the church is based,
received a similar envelope containing a white powder that spilled onto
a clerk's hand. The room was decontaminated and the envelope taken by
the FBI for testing. The clerk showed no signs of illness, but the scare
shut down a building at Temple Square for more than an hour, said Scott
Freitag, a spokesman for the Salt Lake City Fire Department.
None of the writing on the envelope was threatening, and the church
received no calls or messages related to the package, Freitag said.
Protests in recent days have targeted the Mormon church, which
encouraged its members to fight the recently passed amendment banning
*** marriage in California.
Authorities are looking into several theories on who sent the letters
and why, Pack said.
Anthrax mailed as a white powder to Washington lawmakers and media
outlets killed five people and sickened 17 just weeks after the attacks
of September 11, 2001. Periodic hoaxes modeled on the anthrax mailings
have popped up since then but usually prove harmless.


D.F. Manno 15-11-2008 07:03 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
> issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would suspect
> that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.


Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous Mormon
sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done this, knowing that
people like you would pin it on the gays.

How about waiting until they find out who did it before you treat us to
another anti-*** rant?

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

Lass Chance_2 15-11-2008 07:26 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted byn...
 
"The reason I am against *** marriage is primarily because of the
militant *** agenda."--tar-bell

I respect that. But, let's not forget that this very Country's freedom
from English rule was based upon acts of "militant agenda". If we would
give the Gays their right to marry, they wouldnt NEED to get militant.

At least the Gays aren't shooting at anybody. (considering the number of
anti-*** hate crimes, that's a frickin miracle).

Hey, like Bill Mahrer said, "Why shouldnt Gays be free to be as
miserable as everybody else?"

I dont get it.

The average marriage lasts four years. The average *** "serious"
relationship lasts four years. Why get married, at all? Why not take
out a yearly Marriage Liscense, just like a fishing liscense? If you
dont want to be married any longer...just dont renew the damn liscense?
Save all those millions of dollars we spend on divorce, which ONLY makes
the lawyers rich?

That tired, "Til death do you part" crap is...a joke.
OTHER than the LEGAL stuff, tax breaks, Health benefits, and so on, who
are we kidding? We DONT stay married til death does us part, regardless
of whether we're straight or ***. With that being undeniably true...why
the hypocracy of marriage? *** OR straight?

Why dont we just say, "Do you, so-and-so, understand that you will
ultimately be raising any children that proceed from this union, alone?"
"I DO!"..."and, do YOU understand that after you deprart, this woman
will hound you every day for the rest of your natural life if you DONT
support those kids?" "I DO!"
Then...I now pronounce you Man and Wife for as long as the two of you
can stand each other!"

I mean...why not get real?
....and WTF cares whether the couple is *** or not?

Now, Im sure there are folks in here who have been married longer than
fourn years. Great! MAZEL TOV! That means, you dont mind getting your
liscense renewed each year! Wouldnt you gladly pay the five bucks?
and...wouldnt couple be a whole lot nicer to each other if they knew
that IF they arent nice...next year, their partner might NOT be willing
to renew?

LassChance


T[_5_] 16-11-2008 12:40 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
in says...
> In article >,
> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>
> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> >
> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> > support single-sex marriage.
> >
> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?

>
> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> groups.
>
> Totally unamerican.
>


I'm a militant *** activist myself. I regularly correspond with my
elected representatives, I've openly called the Governor of our state an
asshole, the whole nine yards.

And I say we need to push it further. Let them know that we won't be
pushed around.


T[_5_] 16-11-2008 02:30 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
in says...
> In article > ,
> T > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> >
in says...
> > > In article >,
> > > "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> > > >
> > > > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would start to
> > > > support single-sex marriage.
> > > >
> > > > Just confirm that that's right, would you?
> > >
> > > Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> > > groups.
> > >
> > > Totally unamerican.
> > >

> >
> > I'm a militant *** activist myself. I regularly correspond with my
> > elected representatives, I've openly called the Governor of our state an
> > asshole, the whole nine yards.
> >
> > And I say we need to push it further. Let them know that we won't be
> > pushed around.

>
> So you're advocating hate crimes and fascism when it suits your purpose.
>
> Hypocrite.
>


Not hate crimes. However I do work for repeal of the tax exemption
enjoyed by the Catholic church. And I let them know exactly why I'm
doing so.

I wouldn't push it so far as to tag their property. I might telephone
them and tell them they're on the wrong side of the argument.

Go and **** thyself.

Paul Hyett[_2_] 16-11-2008 08:34 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 at 13:32:28, Sally Wentworth >
wrote in uk.legal :

>>I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on
>>the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would
>>suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act. This is
>>the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the community. And
>>exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind of thing will
>>continue until the rest of us make it clear that there will be NO
>>acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they resort to
>>militant activist methods.

>
>The time for constructive dialog is over, queers need to start burning
>down neighborhoods like the blacks did.


Because there are so few terrorist threats ATM...?

>This is a disgrace that these backwards assholes banned a ***'s civil
>rights.


That's one way of looking at it...

Another is that people were just expressing an opinion over something
they find objectionable...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Jamie Kahn Genet 16-11-2008 10:39 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
tar~bal > wrote:

> more ****ing spam.


*plonk*
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

Tim McNamara 16-11-2008 03:57 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on
> the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I
> would suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.
> This is the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the
> community. And exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind
> of thing will continue until the rest of us make it clear that there
> will be NO acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they
> resort to militant activist methods.


This is the same type of insane troll logic that was used to defend Jim
Crow. It was bullshit then and it was bullshit now.

The article that "tar~bal" cut-and-pasted draws a connection between the
envelopes and the Mormon Church's support of the ban on *** marriage,
yet no connection in known. It prejudicial supposition and nothing
more. Whatever nutbar sent those envelopes could have had a different
agenda entirely.

It makes no difference whatsoever to my life if homosexuals can marry.
The "defense of marriage" bullshit is purely that: bullshit. It's
bigotry and prejudice wrapped in a cloak of sanctity to try to make it
look better. My wife and I have been married 14 years and there is no
effect that *** marriage can have on the sanctity of our marriage.
Since *** marriage can have no deleterious effect on the marriages and
families of straight Americans, why should gays and *******s be denied
the right to marry?

The Right Wing's belief that they should have the power to interfere in
and control the private lives of others is a stunning example of their
hypocrisy. Limited government, fiscal responsibility and personal
freedom my ass. The Right Wing is about theocracy, pure and simple.
Why do they hate the Constitution?

Tim McNamara 16-11-2008 04:01 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
evadnikufesin > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>
> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
> >
> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
> > start to support single-sex marriage.
> >
> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?

>
> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
> groups.
>
> Totally unamerican.


Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
moral police and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
like "Country First").

Richard Maine 16-11-2008 04:10 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
Tim McNamara > wrote:

> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> like "Country First").


Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
blame everything on and incite hatred against.

--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain

D.F. Manno 16-11-2008 05:28 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
Paul Hyett > wrote:

> Sally Wentworth > wrote:
>
> >This is a disgrace that these backwards assholes banned a ***'s civil
> >rights.

>
> That's one way of looking at it...
>
> Another is that people were just expressing an opinion over something
> they find objectionable...


No, they did more than express an opinion, they voted to revoke gays'
right to marry. Voting is more than expressing an opinion. Elections
have consequences.

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

Mr. Strat 17-11-2008 03:32 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >, Tim
McNamara > wrote:

> Why do they hate the Constitution?


Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
legislative process.

BaJoRi[_2_] 17-11-2008 03:02 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> evadnikufesin > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "Andrew McGee" > wrote:
>>
>> > So, let's get this straight (so to speak).
>> >
>> > If these militant gays would cease their activities, you would
>> > start to support single-sex marriage.
>> >
>> > Just confirm that that's right, would you?

>>
>> Quit mixing issues. We're talking about hatecrimes here from fascist
>> groups.
>>
>> Totally unamerican.

>
> Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
> from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
> moral police


Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through *** marriage
(which to a great many people is a moral argument) and the *** lifestyle?



>and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
> the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
> fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
> homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> like "Country First").



YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.


BaJoRi[_2_] 17-11-2008 03:03 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"Richard Maine" > wrote in message
. ..
> Tim McNamara > wrote:
>
>> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
>> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
>> like "Country First").

>
> Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
> maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> blame everything on and incite hatred against.
>


Just as you are doing with religion?


tar~bal 17-11-2008 03:11 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"D.F. Manno" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on the
>> issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I would
>> suspect
>> that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.

>
> Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous Mormon
> sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done this, knowing that
> people like you would pin it on the gays.
>
> How about waiting until they find out who did it before you treat us to
> another anti-*** rant?


Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?



tar~bal 17-11-2008 03:12 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog on
>> the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this, I
>> would suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the act.
>> This is the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the
>> community. And exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This kind
>> of thing will continue until the rest of us make it clear that there
>> will be NO acceptance of the homosexual community so long as they
>> resort to militant activist methods.

>
> This is the same type of insane troll logic that was used to defend Jim
> Crow. It was bullshit then and it was bullshit now.
>
> The article that "tar~bal" cut-and-pasted draws a connection between the
> envelopes and the Mormon Church's support of the ban on *** marriage,
> yet no connection in known. It prejudicial supposition and nothing
> more. Whatever nutbar sent those envelopes could have had a different
> agenda entirely.
>
> It makes no difference whatsoever to my life if homosexuals can marry.
> The "defense of marriage" bullshit is purely that: bullshit. It's
> bigotry and prejudice wrapped in a cloak of sanctity to try to make it
> look better. My wife and I have been married 14 years and there is no
> effect that *** marriage can have on the sanctity of our marriage.
> Since *** marriage can have no deleterious effect on the marriages and
> families of straight Americans, why should gays and *******s be denied
> the right to marry?
>
> The Right Wing's belief that they should have the power to interfere in
> and control the private lives of others is a stunning example of their
> hypocrisy. Limited government, fiscal responsibility and personal
> freedom my ass. The Right Wing is about theocracy, pure and simple.
> Why do they hate the Constitution?


No one's telling you where you can and can't stick it. Go butt**** each
other and have fun.



KK[_3_] 17-11-2008 04:14 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted bynormal people
 
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:10:40 -0800, Richard Maine wrote:

> Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays



Are you serious?


(and
> maybe muslims thrown in)



'maybe'? Did Jews kill thousands of German civilians in terrorist
attacks? Were Jews around the world clamoring for the destruction of
Germany?


> play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> blame everything on and incite hatred against.


You're goofy.

Richard Maine 17-11-2008 04:25 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
BaJoRi > wrote:

> "Richard Maine" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Tim McNamara > wrote:
> >
> >> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> >> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> >> like "Country First").

> >
> > Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
> > maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> > blame everything on and incite hatred against.
> >

> Just as you are doing with religion?


Me? Religion. When Did I say a word about religion except to mention
muslims and jews as having been used as scapegoats? Or do you just
stereotype everyone who you disagree with as obviously being all the
same? That story sounds familliar too.

Just because you disagree with two people, that doesn't mean that those
two people are interchangeable. I have my own opinions, thank you. Some
of them might well have various flaws, but they are mine. Don't ascribe
things that other people say as being mine.

--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain

KK[_3_] 17-11-2008 04:27 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted bynormal people
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:02:24 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:


>> Dude- or dudette as the case may be- fascism in the United States is
>> from the Right Wing, which believes that it has the right to be the
>> moral police

>
> Are you not the same, pushing your agenda, to force through *** marriage
> (which to a great many people is a moral argument)


Forbidding it is a moral judgment, the imposition of one's morals upon
another. Arguing against forbidding it isn't.



> and the ***
> lifestyle?


Did prop 8 mention anything about 'lifestyle'?



>
>
>>and to set up a theocracy. People like James Dobson are
>> the American proto-Taliban. Groups supporting *** marriage are not
>> fascist, because they are not trying to force people to marry
>> homosexuals; it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
>> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
>> like "Country First").

>
>
> YOU have done NOTHING to differentiate yourself from those people.



D.F. Manno 17-11-2008 04:43 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> "D.F. Manno" > wrote:
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >
> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
> >> dialog on the issues in the *** community. While not all
> >> gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
> >> solidarity with the act.

> >
> > Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
> > Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
> > this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
> >
> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?

>
> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?


Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

D.F. Manno 17-11-2008 04:44 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
"Mr. Strat" > wrote:

> Tim McNamara > wrote:
>
> > Why do they hate the Constitution?

>
> Why do you liberals continually subvert the constitution by going
> through the courts to get your agenda passed rather than through the
> legislative process.


Article III of the Constitution establishes the courts.

--
D.F. Manno |

This time _we_ won. This time _you_ get over it.

tar~bal 17-11-2008 05:22 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"D.F. Manno" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> "D.F. Manno" > wrote:
>> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy
>> >> dialog on the issues in the *** community. While not all
>> >> gays did this, I would suspect that a number of them are in
>> >> solidarity with the act.
>> >
>> > Ya know, the Mormons have enemies, including those polygamous
>> > Mormon sects. Their enemies or someone else could have done
>> > this, knowing that people like you would pin it on the gays.
>> >
>> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
>> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?

>>
>> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted, 'kay?

>
> Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?


Is it your opinion that not one *** person out there could have actually
done this?



tar~bal 17-11-2008 06:29 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"Michelle Steiner" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> No one's telling you where you can and can't stick it. Go butt****
>> each other and have fun.

>
> But you're trying to tell me who I can and can't marry. What ****ing
> business is it of yours who I marry?


I guess you haven't been paying attention. Your militant *** agenda has
turned normal people against you.



tar~bal 17-11-2008 06:30 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 

"Michelle Steiner" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "tar~bal" > wrote:
>
>> >> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
>> >> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?
>> >>
>> >> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted,
>> >> 'kay?
>> >
>> > Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?

>>
>> Is it your opinion that not one *** person out there could have
>> actually done this?

>
> It is more likely that some anti-*** person did it in order to cast
> blame on gays.


Yeah, because gays are so upstanding and moral. Like throwing condoms in
church and swearing in front of the kids and whatnot. It's the ANTI-gays
that are terrible, not the diseased perverts...



Batman 17-11-2008 08:46 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> "Michelle Steiner" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >
> >> >> > How about waiting until they find out who did it before you
> >> >> > treat us to another anti-*** rant?
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's just say it's in line with the other stories that I posted,
> >> >> 'kay?
> >> >
> >> > Let's not, not without, you know, _evidence_?
> >>
> >> Is it your opinion that not one *** person out there could have
> >> actually done this?

> >
> > It is more likely that some anti-*** person did it in order to cast
> > blame on gays.

>
> Yeah, because gays are so upstanding and moral. Like throwing condoms in
> church and swearing in front of the kids and whatnot. It's the ANTI-gays
> that are terrible, not the diseased perverts...


The real danger, and what *** people really seek, is for their
lifestyle/orientation/choice to be accepted as a morally honorable way
to live, and for that lifestyle to be ingrained in education. Until the
education system has "gayness" throughout, it will never be deemed full
accepted by society. I'm guessing we're 1-2 generations away from that.
Around 40 years maybe. By gayness I mean that in English Lit you may
study a few stories about hetero couples, then a story or 2 about ***
couples. And students that have an awkwardness towards the opposite sex
(and who doesn't at that age?) will find it easier finding a mate with
the same sex. Easier psychologically that is. But if that *** aspect
wasn't so prominent, they would just tough it out more, be more patient
and be well rewarded with a far more satisfying relationship. Why are
most gays so much more promiscuous than most straights? Obviously
because of the unsatisfying nature of their present relationships.

There's a basic moral structure we all have at birth that seems to get a
little skewed in the growth process. We all know its right to tell the
truth, not to steal, not to hurt people, not to seek revenge, and to
basically care for the people around us because that's what we would
want from them, our neighbors. And morally we know the indescribable
peace and contentment felt by snuggling with someone we love of the
opposite sex cannot possibly be replicated by anyone or anything else.
Other behavior can be rationalized, but sadly never equaled. Pity your
*** neighbor. So much richness of life is denied to him or her.

The Mighty TB 17-11-2008 10:35 PM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
"Richard Maine" wrote:

>> >> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
>> >> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
>> >> like "Country First").
>> >
>> > Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
>> > maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
>> > blame everything on and incite hatred against.
>> >

>> Just as you are doing with religion?

>
> Me? Religion. When Did I say a word about religion except to mention
> muslims and jews as having been used as scapegoats?


Uhh, bad comparison there, sport. You may wanna get back with us when you
can come up with some examples of Jews ever crashing jetliners into
buildings or blowing themselves up around civilians.

T.B.


Richard Maine 18-11-2008 12:07 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
The Mighty TB > wrote:

> "Richard Maine" wrote:
>
> >> >> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in
> >> >> their tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile slogans
> >> >> like "Country First").
> >> >
> >> > Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close. Gays (and
> >> > maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as the scapegoats to
> >> > blame everything on and incite hatred against.
> >> >
> >> Just as you are doing with religion?

> >
> > Me? Religion. When Did I say a word about religion except to mention
> > muslims and jews as having been used as scapegoats?

>
> Uhh, bad comparison there, sport. You may wanna get back with us when you
> can come up with some examples of Jews ever crashing jetliners into
> buildings or blowing themselves up around civilians.


I'm sure there have been jews (or pretty much any other religious or
ethnic group that you care to name) who have comitted just about every
crime around. So you find one, or even several such criminals, and
that's reason to lay the crime on the whole group?

Still sounds very familliar. It is called bigotry. That's *EXACTLY* what
bigotry is about - judging a whole group based on isolated individuals.

And the parallels are damn close. If you actually go back and read some
of the history, you'll find it full of the same kinds of scapegoating,
often quite intentional, as the facists knew (and wrote about knowing)
the game of scaring people with their horror stories about the jewish
plots. Come on, this isn't as though this is exactly arcania. Do you
mean to say that you don't know about the Nazi's intentional use of
stories about jewish plots?

--
Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain

Tim McNamara 18-11-2008 12:45 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article >,
"The Mighty TB" > wrote:

> "Richard Maine" wrote:
>
> >> >> it's that anti-*** marriage groups that are fascist in their
> >> >> tendencies (hiding, as fascists always do, behind facile
> >> >> slogans like "Country First").
> >> >
> >> > Indeed, the parallels to pre-WWII Germany are scarily close.
> >> > Gays (and maybe muslims thrown in) play the role of the jews as
> >> > the scapegoats to blame everything on and incite hatred against.
> >> >
> >> Just as you are doing with religion?

> >
> > Me? Religion. When Did I say a word about religion except to
> > mention muslims and jews as having been used as scapegoats?

>
> Uhh, bad comparison there, sport. You may wanna get back with us when
> you can come up with some examples of Jews ever crashing jetliners
> into buildings or blowing themselves up around civilians.


Muslims are still used as scapegoats in the United States. There are
tens of millions of moderate Muslims who were just as aghast at those
events as anyone else.

Every twit who uttered "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" during the campaigns
participated in scapegoating Muslims. Every time the words "radical
Islamist" or "Islamofascist" are used, Muslims are scapegoated. The
Bush Administration orchestrated a massive power grab by scapegoating
Muslims, unprecedented in American history, to shore up the notion of a
"unitary executive" above the system of checks and balances. (BTW,
"unitary executive" = "king").

Just as the terrorist Christianists who go around blowing up family
planning clinics, murdering doctors and harassing their employees and
customers are not representative of most Christians, al Qaeda and bin
Laden are not representative of most Muslims.

Yet in America, we treat people dressed like Muslims with suspicion.
Many Muslims I have met have been subject to hate crimes, harassment,
vandalism, discrimination. They took to shopping for groceries at 2:00
AM to avoid this kind of thing. Their children weren't allowed out by
themselves to play and in some cases were taken out of school for their
safety.

Tim McNamara 18-11-2008 12:48 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> "Tim McNamara" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >
> >> I guess this is what passes for a constructive and healthy dialog
> >> on the issues in the *** community. While not all gays did this,
> >> I would suspect that a number of them are in solidarity with the
> >> act. This is the kind of thing that gives gays low standing in the
> >> community. And exactly why I voted against *** marriage. This
> >> kind of thing will continue until the rest of us make it clear
> >> that there will be NO acceptance of the homosexual community so
> >> long as they resort to militant activist methods.

> >
> > This is the same type of insane troll logic that was used to defend
> > Jim Crow. It was bullshit then and it was bullshit now.
> >
> > The article that "tar~bal" cut-and-pasted draws a connection
> > between the envelopes and the Mormon Church's support of the ban on
> > *** marriage, yet no connection in known. It prejudicial
> > supposition and nothing more. Whatever nutbar sent those envelopes
> > could have had a different agenda entirely.
> >
> > It makes no difference whatsoever to my life if homosexuals can
> > marry. The "defense of marriage" bullshit is purely that: bullshit.
> > It's bigotry and prejudice wrapped in a cloak of sanctity to try
> > to make it look better. My wife and I have been married 14 years
> > and there is no effect that *** marriage can have on the sanctity
> > of our marriage. Since *** marriage can have no deleterious effect
> > on the marriages and families of straight Americans, why should
> > gays and *******s be denied the right to marry?
> >
> > The Right Wing's belief that they should have the power to
> > interfere in and control the private lives of others is a stunning
> > example of their hypocrisy. Limited government, fiscal
> > responsibility and personal freedom my ass. The Right Wing is
> > about theocracy, pure and simple. Why do they hate the
> > Constitution?

>
> No one's telling you where you can and can't stick it. Go butt****
> each other and have fun.


You are just another bigoted homophobe- so much so that you can't even
conceive of a straight man supporting the rights of gays/*******s to
marry. No wonder you hide behind a sock puppet.

Tim McNamara 18-11-2008 12:50 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> "Michelle Steiner" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article > ,
> > "tar~bal" > wrote:
> >
> >> No one's telling you where you can and can't stick it. Go
> >> butt**** each other and have fun.

> >
> > But you're trying to tell me who I can and can't marry. What
> > ****ing business is it of yours who I marry?

>
> I guess you haven't been paying attention. Your militant *** agenda
> has turned normal people against you.


Wrong-o again, dude. In fact, the militant agenda is on the parts of
the homophobes like you.

And you know what they say about homophobes.

Tim McNamara 18-11-2008 01:05 AM

Militant gay activists--> This is why you aren't accepted by normal people
 
In article > ,
"tar~bal" > wrote:

> Yeah, because gays are so upstanding and moral. Like throwing
> condoms in church and swearing in front of the kids and whatnot.
> It's the ANTI-gays that are terrible, not the diseased perverts...


Most of the people I see swearing in front of kids are straight not ***.
Nobody's ever thrown a condom in any church I've ever been in, for any
reason, including people who are ***. I've never seen a homosexual
person physically attack another person because they differed in sexual
orientation.

But I have seen self-appointed "defenders of the faith" standing in the
way of openly *** Catholics to prevent them from receiving the
Eucharist. I've seen "upstanding" Christians screaming in fury at
quiet, peaceful gays and *******s, damning them and praying that they go
to hell. I've seen anti-*** demonstrators disrupting the funerals of
the honored war dead (who were not ***) in order to make some kind of
insane point about homosexuality. I've seen "conservatives" demand from
a state legislative committee the power to strip Constitutional rights
from homosexuals. Homosexuals have been murdered- many times- simply
for being homosexual.

Many of the kindest and most ethical people I know are homosexual. I
know a few *** idiots, too. The distribution of good people to idiots
seems to be about the same in the *** community as in the straight
community. Unfortunately as a culture we continue to demonize those who
are different than us.


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