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> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:31:38 GMT, wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:38:46 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:55:55 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> cybercat wrote:
>>>>>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .com...
>>>>>>> Hi ! First time posting... got a question:
>>>>>>> Just curious if I'm the only person who chops up onions and
>>>>>>> stores them in olive oil...
>>>>>>> I have a small cafe and I wanted to find an alternative to
>>>>>>> frying the onions to speed up service, so I tried leaving them
>>>>>>> in seasoned olive oil in a tupperware container overnight...
>>>>>>> the result is that it softens the onions, then when I toast the
>>>>>>> sandwich the olive oil adds seasoning to the bread and a nice
>>>>>>> aftertaste.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This sounds like a great idea! Although, certainly the flavor is
>>>>>> not the same as browned onions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eeeeeeeek noooooooooooooo! You can get botulism like that!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>> Cite????
>>>>
>>>> After a less than exhaustive trawl, I find that you *might* get
>>>> Botulism poisononing but then again, you *might* not.
>>>>
>>>> It depends on a lot of different factors. (Time, storage
>>>> temperature, preconditioning, preparation etc. of the ingredients.)
>>>> I found one paper that appeared to suggest that one could get away
>>>> with a lot lower level of precautions than recommended by the
>>>> UberCareful. Those recommendations were largely not being
>>>> followed.
>>>>
>>>> And, as far as I've found so far - NOT an exhaustive search, I'll
>>>> continue that later - there ain't a lot of recorded cases of
>>>> Clostridium B that seem to be attributable to such a mechanism.
>>>>
>>>> After all, one can get bottles of garlic infused oil, oil with
>>>> sprigs of various herbs in them over the counter, so it would seem
>>>> to me to be reasonable to assume that given the right care and
>>>> attention, the products of the OP might be quite safe?
>>>
>>>commercial producers know now to do it safely. I think that
>>>homemakers do not have the equipment to faciliate this.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Let's keep the food hysteria under control until there is some
>>>> evidence on the table to examine. Or, If you are correct - which I
>>>> question - elsewhere in the establishment.
>>>
>>>Hi Jenks. Are you willing to take that risk?
>>>
>>I'll settle for a link to a place that authoritatively states that
>>it's illegal/unsafe. I'll then be satisfied.
>
>
> Answering my own question:
>
> http://www.foodscience.csiro.au/oilvine.htm
> and
> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/iyh-vsv/food-...lic-ail_e.html
>
> So, within limits, we're both correct. Yes, sale of was made illegal
> in the US. Yes - provided appropriate easonable precautions are taken
> - garlic and onion can be stored in oil.
>
>

So being leally correct while killing off family members will help you
feel better? God have mercy on your soul...I ain't religous but I mean
it.

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hahabogus wrote:

> wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:31:38 GMT, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:38:46 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>
wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:55:55 -0000, "Ophelia" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> cybercat wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dave" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .com...
>>>>>>>> Hi ! First time posting... got a question: Just curious if I'm
>>>>>>>> the only person who chops up onions and stores them in olive
>>>>>>>> oil...
>>>>>>>> I have a small cafe and I wanted to find an alternative to frying
>>>>>>>> the onions to speed up service, so I tried leaving them in
>>>>>>>> seasoned olive oil in a tupperware container overnight... the
>>>>>>>> result is that it softens the onions, then when I toast the
>>>>>>>> sandwich the olive oil adds seasoning to the bread and a nice
>>>>>>>> aftertaste.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This sounds like a great idea! Although, certainly the flavor is
>>>>>>> not the same as browned onions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eeeeeeeek noooooooooooooo! You can get botulism like that!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Cite????
>>>>>
>>>>> After a less than exhaustive trawl, I find that you *might* get
>>>>> Botulism poisononing but then again, you *might* not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It depends on a lot of different factors. (Time, storage temperature,
>>>>> preconditioning, preparation etc. of the ingredients.)
>>>>> I found one paper that appeared to suggest that one could get away
>>>>> with a lot lower level of precautions than recommended by the
>>>>> UberCareful. Those recommendations were largely not being followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, as far as I've found so far - NOT an exhaustive search, I'll
>>>>> continue that later - there ain't a lot of recorded cases of
>>>>> Clostridium B that seem to be attributable to such a mechanism.
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, one can get bottles of garlic infused oil, oil with sprigs
>>>>> of various herbs in them over the counter, so it would seem to me to
>>>>> be reasonable to assume that given the right care and attention, the
>>>>> products of the OP might be quite safe?
>>>>
>>>>commercial producers know now to do it safely. I think that homemakers
>>>>do not have the equipment to faciliate this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Let's keep the food hysteria under control until there is some
>>>>> evidence on the table to examine. Or, If you are correct - which I
>>>>> question - elsewhere in the establishment.
>>>>
>>>>Hi Jenks. Are you willing to take that risk?
>>>>
>>>I'll settle for a link to a place that authoritatively states that it's
>>>illegal/unsafe. I'll then be satisfied.
>>
>>
>> Answering my own question:
>>
>> http://www.foodscience.csiro.au/oilvine.htm and
>> http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/iyh-vsv/food-...lic-ail_e.html
>>
>> So, within limits, we're both correct. Yes, sale of was made illegal in
>> the US. Yes - provided appropriate easonable precautions are taken -
>> garlic and onion can be stored in oil.
>>
>>
>>
> So being leally correct while killing off family members will help you
> feel better? God have mercy on your soul...I ain't religous but I mean it.

Bad enough to kill off papa; you don't want to do time, too.

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