"Pete C." > wrote
> I like both. Certainly it's nice to travel and visit interesting cities
> (since I could never live in one)

Exactly why I like to go to rural areas!

, but it's also nice to get out to the
> middle of nowhere. Caves tend to be in the middle of nowhere, while
> SCUBA destinations tend to be in more developed areas so I get to both.

I would rather do anything than those two things, being somewhat
claustrophobic. I love mountains and islands, deep cool old forests.

>>
>> I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
>> a five-star hotel" group.
>
> Well, that's kind of my theory as well, since I take my fully equipped
> camper, while others on the trips take tents or sleep in the back of
> their vehicles.

It's interesting to note the differences among us. Helps combat
head-up-the-butt syndrome, you know?



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On Feb 4, 8:51*pm, Becca > wrote:

> In parts of Texas and Louisiana, we alternate between droughts and
> floods. *Today, it was 77 degrees and sunny. This weekend was full of
> Superbowl parties and Mardi Gras parades. *I love spring time.

Yes, I look forward to its arrival in a month or two. It's up in the
lower
40s today, but I bet we'll see single digits again before February is
over.

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Dee.Dee wrote:

>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon 04 Feb 2008 07:59:13p, Pete C. told us...
>>>
>>> > cybercat wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> "T" > wrote
>>> >> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could
>>> >> > move
>>> >> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>>> >> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
>>> >> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
>>> >> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
>>> >> you know?
>>> >
>>> > That is the technique you use with the shower in a camper when you
>>> > aren't camping anywhere with hookups. When you have 36 gal of fresh
>>> > water and 18 gal gray and black water tanks to last you a week, you
>>> > learn to both conserve water and holding tank space.
>>> >
>>>
>>> One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.
>>
>> Well, that's pretty silly. I suppose you need to stay at a hotel, which
>> pretty well limits you to developed areas, missing some of the best
>> places to visit.
>
> We learned to take a 1 minute shower when we lived in our camper for one
> year. There were not always times you wanted to hook up.

That might be true for you wimmins, but we guys always wanna hook up.


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Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "hahabogus" > wrote
>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:11:50 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water
>> on
>>>>>> your shins are just lovely, aren't they?
>>>>>
>>>>> You ... splash on your legs when you pee?
>>>>
>>>> Get one of those Super Power Soakers and sqwert it into a toilet
>>>> while wearing shorts and see... feel..., what happens.
>>>
>>> I think I'd work on my stance. Men's legs will never look the
>>> same to me again.
>
>> Try standing farther away...say 10 feet or so, works for me.
>
> But then, you're a special guy! (laugh)

They don't call him Big Haha for nothin'.


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Dave Smith wrote:

> T wrote:
>
>> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
>> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>
> Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
> start laterhing up with the cold water

That's where you lost me.


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Janet Baraclough wrote:

> The message >
> from Long Dong Silver > contains these words:
>
>> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:25:38 GMT, hahabogus wrote:
>
>> > Try standing farther away...say 10 feet or so, works for me.
>
>> I always have to stand that far away or else it'll dangle in the
>> commode.
>
>> -sw
>
> Told you, Nancy. And, he can do his name on the wall, In joined up writing.

You don't want to know how he dots the "i"s...


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T wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "T" > wrote
>> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
>> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>>
>> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
>> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
>> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
>> you know?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yeah I bet it does. If the water system in this house wasn't so
> sensitive I could do that, but it takes at least a minute to re-adjust
> the temperature.
>
> I wish they had a cutoff valve on showers that just temporarily stopped
> the flow.

A six-dollar shower head with a shutoff valve in it. Go shopping.


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Blinky the Shark wrote:

>
> > Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
> > start laterhing up with the cold water
>
> That's where you lost me.

With the typo or the process.?
My bathroom is across the house and two floors up from the water heater, so
I have 1/2 diameter pipe by 35 ft or so of pipes full of water that is
likely to have cooled off, so it takes a minute for the water to warm up. I
run that through the tap, wet the soak and get lathered up with the cool
water, and by the time it is hot I am ready to rinse. my shower is done
within a minute or two. I don't sit there and play with myself while all
that hot water goes down the drain.

I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but
it wastes a lot of hot water, and when we are on water restictions it is
wasting water period.

T wrote:

> Yeah I bet it does. If the water system in this house wasn't so
> sensitive I could do that, but it takes at least a minute to re-adjust
> the temperature.
>
> I wish they had a cutoff valve on showers that just temporarily stopped
> the flow.

Most of the modern hand held showers have a setting to shut off the water and
one hand taps just have to pushed in. Water temperature is not going to
change that much when you pull it back out.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> > Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
>> > start laterhing up with the cold water
>>
>> That's where you lost me.
>
> With the typo or the process.?

Didn't notice the typo. With showering in cold water. Ugh!

> My bathroom is across the house and two floors up from the water heater, so
> I have 1/2 diameter pipe by 35 ft or so of pipes full of water that is
> likely to have cooled off, so it takes a minute for the water to warm up. I
> run that through the tap, wet the soak and get lathered up with the cool
> water, and by the time it is hot I am ready to rinse. my shower is done
> within a minute or two. I don't sit there and play with myself while all
> that hot water goes down the drain.
>
> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
> under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but

Why, it's almost like it must feel good or something.


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On Feb 5, 4:17 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> > > Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
> > > start laterhing up with the cold water
>
> > That's where you lost me.
>
> With the typo or the process.?
> My bathroom is across the house and two floors up from the water heater, so
> I have 1/2 diameter pipe by 35 ft or so of pipes full of water that is
> likely to have cooled off, so it takes a minute for the water to warm up.

Instantaneous (Tankless) Water Heater ? Nasty capital cost but
saves hydro and water.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada


> I
> run that through the tap, wet the soak and get lathered up with the cool
> water, and by the time it is hot I am ready to rinse. my shower is done
> within a minute or two. I don't sit there and play with myself while all
> that hot water goes down the drain.
>
> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
> under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but
> it wastes a lot of hot water, and when we are on water restictions it is
> wasting water period.

Blinky the Shark wrote:

>
> >> That's where you lost me.
> >
> > With the typo or the process.?
>
> Didn't notice the typo. With showering in cold water. Ugh!

But I am not showering in cold water. I run the water and use the cool water to
lather up while it is getting warm. I am ready to rinse off by the time the water
is warm, then I flip on the shower and rinse offf..


>
> > I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
> > under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but
>
> Why, it's almost like it must feel good or something.

It may well feel good. But I wonder if they waste that much water showering at
home when they have to pay for it. They are usually the same guys who use 3-4
towels when they don't have to do the laundry.

It is a curious thing at the local Y. The taps on the basins and hand driers have
motion detectors instead of taps or buttins, but the showers, which use up a lot
more hot water, can be left running, and often are.

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:

>
> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
> you know?


I bet the mayor doesn't have waist length hair. No way to wash and rinse
in a minute. lol

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:29:06 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
>> under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but
>
>Why, it's almost like it must feel good or something.

That's what hot tubs are for.

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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 13:38:23 -0800 (PST), John Kane
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>Instantaneous (Tankless) Water Heater ? Nasty capital cost but
>saves hydro and water.

My thoughts exactly!

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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:19:48 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
wrote:

>In New Mexico where I did over 2 years of camping every weekend,
>we camped out of the back of a truck, beds configured in them with pots/pans
>underneath them. We drove up into a field.

That's not *real* camping, Dee (not that I'd opt for it). Did you
sleep on a blow up mattress too?

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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
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>I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
>a five-star hotel" group.
>
HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.



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"kilikini" > wrote in
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>
> I hear ya. I'm in Florida and we've been in a drought for about 4 or
> 5 years, now. Luckily we have city water, but my in-laws have a well.
> They swear by the "if it's yellow" method. They make notes on how
> many times the toilet has been flushed. They're on the 3 use system;
> it's okay to flush after 3 "visits". :~)
>


We've had a serious drought here in Queensland for about the same time. We
got up to Level 6 Water restrictions (the highest).

But for the last few weeks it's been like this....

http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR662.shtml


And now the dams are starting to fill........ and everyone's complaining
about how wet it is!! Go figger!!



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<sf> wrote in message ...
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 10:19:48 -0500, "Dee.Dee" >
> wrote:
>
>>In New Mexico where I did over 2 years of camping every weekend,
>>we camped out of the back of a truck, beds configured in them with
>>pots/pans
>>underneath them. We drove up into a field.
>
> That's not *real* camping, Dee (not that I'd opt for it). Did you
> sleep on a blow up mattress too?
>


Real camping? LOL.
Dee Dee

wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:29:06 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> > wrote:
>
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the
>>> gym who stand under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt
>>> that they get any cleaner, but
>>
>>Why, it's almost like it must feel good or something.
>
> That's what hot tubs are for.

I didn't know there was a rule about there being only one way to
enjoy hot water.


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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"Pete C." > wrote
>>> One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.
>>
>> Well, that's pretty silly. I suppose you need to stay at a hotel, which
>> pretty well limits you to developed areas, missing some of the best
>> places to visit.
>
>It'a all a matter of personal taste. I know people who spend a fortune
>to travel to far flung wilderness areas when I can spend half that and
>go to Paris or Tuscany. They think I am as crazy as I think they are.
>
>I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
>a five-star hotel" group.

i enjoyed camping when i was a kid, but now i'm old enough to go to
bars.

your pal,
blake

On Wed 06 Feb 2008 08:37:04a, blake murphy told us...

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Pete C." > wrote
>>>> One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.
>>>
>>> Well, that's pretty silly. I suppose you need to stay at a hotel, which
>>> pretty well limits you to developed areas, missing some of the best
>>> places to visit.
>>
>>It'a all a matter of personal taste. I know people who spend a fortune
>>to travel to far flung wilderness areas when I can spend half that and
>>go to Paris or Tuscany. They think I am as crazy as I think they are.
>>
>>I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than a
>>five-star hotel" group.
>
> i enjoyed camping when i was a kid, but now i'm old enough to go to
> bars.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Are you saying that you "camp" at bars now?

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Blinky the Shark wrote:

> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:29:06 -0800, Blinky the Shark
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> >>> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the
> >>> gym who stand under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt
> >>> that they get any cleaner, but
> > >
> > > Why, it's almost like it must feel good or something.
> >
> > That's what hot tubs are for.
>
> I didn't know there was a rule about there being only one way to
> enjoy hot water.

I agree. I like hot showers, but not baths.



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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >>


>> i enjoyed camping when i was a kid, but now i'm old enough to go to
>> bars.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>
> Are you saying that you "camp" at bars now?
>
> --
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As someone said here -- paraphrasing, "But that's not 'real camping.' "

First laugh of the day, Wayne -- so darned funny.
Dee Dee

On Wed 06 Feb 2008 11:51:13a, Dee.Dee told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >>
>
>
>>> i enjoyed camping when i was a kid, but now i'm old enough to go to
>>> bars.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>>
>>
>> Are you saying that you "camp" at bars now?
>>
>> --
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>
>
>
> As someone said here -- paraphrasing, "But that's not 'real camping.' "
>
> First laugh of the day, Wayne -- so darned funny.
> Dee Dee
>
>
>
>

Glad to give you a laugh!

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sf wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
>> a five-star hotel" group.
>>
> HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.
>
>
>
My idea of 'roughing it' is no ice in my drink...

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ChattyCathy wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
> >> a five-star hotel" group.
> >>
> > HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.
> >
> >
> >
> My idea of 'roughing it' is no ice in my drink...
>

My idea of roughing it is to travel by canoe and make several portages and
camping with what you can manage to paddle and carry that far. I stopped
doing that when I got too old to sleep on the gound.

My favourite annual vacation ech year is to a childrens camp at the end of
summer after the kids go. It is a 1/4 mile walk down a rocky trail to the
dining hall for meals. The alternate route to the dining hall is by canoe.
We get a rustic cabin with cots and mattresses and have to provide our own
bedding. We get to use all teh camp facilities, sailing, canoeing, tennis,
windsurfing, high ropes, archery and horseback riding.

There is an unwritten law that everyone has to bring cocktail party goodies
and host (or co-host) a party. We have incredible cocktail parties every
afternoon on a dock by our cabin.

And yes.... we do have ice. :-)

In article >, sf says...
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
> >I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
> >a five-star hotel" group.
> >
> HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.
>
>
>
>

I enjoy camping every now and again. Pitch the tent, draw the tarp over
the tent because when it rains tents get very damp. Keep the tent dry
and you're good to go. Of course as far as tents go I absolutel love my
Eureka, I got it over twenty years ago and it's still in very good
shape. I believe I paid $160 for the tent back then.

It's a six man tent which is comfy for two people. Then of course
there's the hammock, got to have that.

Of course camp sites tend to be the ones that have bathrooms within a
half mile or so.

In article >,
says...
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> > sf wrote:
> > > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
> > >> a five-star hotel" group.
> > >>
> > > HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > My idea of 'roughing it' is no ice in my drink...
> >
>
> My idea of roughing it is to travel by canoe and make several portages and
> camping with what you can manage to paddle and carry that far. I stopped
> doing that when I got too old to sleep on the gound.

An air matress and pump can be squashed down to a very small size. I've
never slept on the ground.

> My favourite annual vacation ech year is to a childrens camp at the end of
> summer after the kids go. It is a 1/4 mile walk down a rocky trail to the
> dining hall for meals. The alternate route to the dining hall is by canoe.
> We get a rustic cabin with cots and mattresses and have to provide our own
> bedding. We get to use all teh camp facilities, sailing, canoeing, tennis,
> windsurfing, high ropes, archery and horseback riding.

The absolute best time I ever had was when we had a house on a little
island. Had electricity and pump water. I spent a good chunk of my team
reading and sleeping on the dock.

T wrote on Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:16:07 -0500:

T> In article >, sf
T> says...
??>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat"
??>> > wrote:
??>>
??>>> I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying
??>>> in less than a five-star hotel" group.
??>>>
??>> HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.
??>>
??>>
??>>
T> I enjoy camping every now and again. Pitch the tent, draw
T> the tarp over the tent because when it rains tents get very

I got my life's fill of camping under the military auspices of
Her Brittanic Majesty! I had to do it twice when my son was a
Webelo Scout and detested it. I shared a tent with another
parent who puritanically refused my offer of a slug of Scotch on
those freezing nights and wouldn't talk to me later :-)


James Silverton
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"Dave Smith" > wrote

> My idea of roughing it is to travel by canoe and make several portages and
> camping with what you can manage to paddle and carry that far. I stopped
> doing that when I got too old to sleep on the gound.

I did that a few times. That wasn't the most fun, setting up camp
and tearing it down every day ... and dragging it along with you
in a tippy canoe. Luckily this was broken by sleepless nights
where I'd manage to find the one rock under the tent.

Now I know they make these new things called 'hotels' ...

nancy

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> On Mon 04 Feb 2008 07:59:13p, Pete C. told us...

> > That is the technique you use with the shower in a camper when you
> > aren't camping anywhere with hookups. When you have 36 gal of fresh
> > water and 18 gal gray and black water tanks to last you a week, you
> > learn to both conserve water and holding tank space.
> >
>
> One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.

Shouldn't be a major reason. I'm guessing that at least 90% of camper
owners will only camp in places with full hookups. Campgrounds without
full hookups are usually noted as, "RVs welcome, but SELF-CONTAINED
ONLY!".

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> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:04:29 -0500, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm afraid I'm one of the "my idea of camping is staying in less than
>>> a five-star hotel" group.
>>>
>> HIGH FIVE! That's roughing it in my book.
>>
>>
>>
>My idea of 'roughing it' is no ice in my drink...

Sistah!

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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:11:55 -0800, Blinky the Shark
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>Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>
>> "hahabogus" > wrote
>>
>>> Try standing farther away...say 10 feet or so, works for me.
>>
>> But then, you're a special guy! (laugh)
>
>They don't call him Big Haha for nothin'.

He's *The* Big Haha to you, pal.

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>no, not really. the only bar i could say i'm a 'regular' at i'm at
>only two or three times a month, to hear some bands i like. most of
>the folks there know me, though.

Yeah, yeah and you only drink water.



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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:19:36 -0800, sf wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:59:11 GMT, blake murphy >
>wrote:
>
>>no, not really. the only bar i could say i'm a 'regular' at i'm at
>>only two or three times a month, to hear some bands i like. most of
>>the folks there know me, though.
>
>Yeah, yeah and you only drink water.
>
>

as far as i know, it's still legal to drink at home.

your pal,
blake