Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
flush the toilets often (ugh).

I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
the microwave, and I am not about to start.)

One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
time I can get away without using Softscrub.



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One time on Usenet, "cybercat" > said:
> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
> to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
> flush the toilets often (ugh).
>
> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
> the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>
> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
> time I can get away without using Softscrub.

Wow. I empathize, I really do. But it's so strange to think about
being that short of water, given that it rains here nearly every
day...

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Little Malice wrote:

> One time on Usenet, "cybercat" > said:
> > Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
> > to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
> > flush the toilets often (ugh).
>

If you lived in the country and had a well that was running low or a cistern and
have to have water trucked in you would learn the mantra " If it's yellow let it
mellow. If it's brown flush it down" .

>
> Wow. I empathize, I really do. But it's so strange to think about
> being that short of water, given that it rains here nearly every
> day...

Last year I had to start buying water in early May, right through to December, so
we were conserving water as much as possible all that time. When I was out cycling
I would see people in town watering their lawns. :-(

Dave Smith wrote:

> Little Malice wrote:
>
>> One time on Usenet, "cybercat" > said:
>> > Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
>> > to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
>> > flush the toilets often (ugh).
>
> If you lived in the country and had a well that was running low or a cistern and
> have to have water trucked in you would learn the mantra " If it's yellow let it
> mellow. If it's brown flush it down" .

Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water on
your shins are just lovely, aren't they?


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"Blinky the Shark" > wrote

> Dave Smith wrote:

>> If you lived in the country and had a well that was running low or a
>> cistern and
>> have to have water trucked in you would learn the mantra " If it's yellow
>> let it
>> mellow. If it's brown flush it down" .
>
> Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water on
> your shins are just lovely, aren't they?

You ... splash on your legs when you pee?

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:


> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> If you lived in the country and had a well that was running low or a
>>> cistern and
>>> have to have water trucked in you would learn the mantra " If it's
>>> yellow let it
>>> mellow. If it's brown flush it down" .
>>
>> Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water on
>> your shins are just lovely, aren't they?
>
> You ... splash on your legs when you pee?

There are the occasional drops. Not noticeable unless you're wearing
shorts or nothing or other costumes that bare your legs near the open
container that is being recommended to be left full of other people's
****.



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"Sqwertz" > wrote

> On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:11:50 -0500, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> "Blinky the Shark" > wrote
>>
>>> Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water on
>>> your shins are just lovely, aren't they?
>>
>> You ... splash on your legs when you pee?
>
> Get one of those Super Power Soakers and sqwert it into a toilet
> while wearing shorts and see... feel..., what happens.

I think I'd work on my stance. Men's legs will never look the
same to me again.

nancy

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote in message
news
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Little Malice wrote:
>>
>>> One time on Usenet, "cybercat" > said:
>>> > Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being
>>> > asked
>>> > to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!),
>>> > and not
>>> > flush the toilets often (ugh).
>>
>> If you lived in the country and had a well that was running low or a
>> cistern and
>> have to have water trucked in you would learn the mantra " If it's yellow
>> let it
>> mellow. If it's brown flush it down" .
>
> Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water on
> your shins are just lovely, aren't they?
>
>
> --
> Blinky


Interesting. That was the mantra in Marin County, CA when we bought a house
with a pool, and then discovered there was a drought; and fines, as I
recall, for using over a certain amount. In fact, DH repeated that saying
the other day in relation to something we were discussing - probably the
well going dry (here in the country).

Dee Dee

"Blinky the Shark" > wrote
> Yeah, right. Those little splashes of the last person's **** water on
> your shins are just lovely, aren't they?

We each have a bathroom, and one for company, thank goodness.



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"Little Malice" > wrote
> Wow. I empathize, I really do. But it's so strange to think about
> being that short of water, given that it rains here nearly every
> day...
>

It really is odd. Lots of hot water has always been the basis of my
cleaning ... anything.

You know, I almost moved to the Pacific Northwest, that was
one of the choices I weighed when I left Houston in 1987. My parents
were still alive and lived closer to NC, so that nudged me in the direction
of Raleigh. It was the right decision since they were both gone withint
ten years.

I love overcast days, hate heat and strong sunlight, so
I bet I would do great there. It looks so beautiful in photos.



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cybercat wrote:
>
> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
> to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
> flush the toilets often (ugh).
>
> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
> the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>
> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
> time I can get away without using Softscrub.
>
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Dishwashers typically use less water than hand washing. Cook larger
batches and portion and freeze for later use, and have less pot and pan
washing so you can take longer showers.

"Pete C." > wrote
>
> Dishwashers typically use less water than hand washing. Cook larger
> batches and portion and freeze for later use, and have less pot and pan
> washing so you can take longer showers.

Good ideas, thanks!



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On Feb 4, 4:07*pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
> to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
> flush the toilets often (ugh).
>
> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
> the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>
> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
> time I can get away without using Softscrub.
>
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I can certainly feel your pain. In the 1970s we had a severe drought
here in the Sacramento area. I recall using lots of paper plates back
then, and really being cognizant of any water used.

I like Pete's idea of cooking larger batches and freezing.

Myrl Jeffcoat

cybercat wrote:
> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
> to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
> flush the toilets often (ugh).
>
> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
> the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>
> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
> time I can get away without using Softscrub.

Lately, I have tried out a few of the "wipes" and I have been pleased.
What I like the most, is the Swiffer duster.

In parts of Texas and Louisiana, we alternate between droughts and
floods. Today, it was 77 degrees and sunny. This weekend was full of
Superbowl parties and Mardi Gras parades. I love spring time.

Best of luck with your drought.

Becca

"Becca" > wrote

> cybercat wrote:
>> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being
>> asked to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!),
>> and not flush the toilets often (ugh).
>>
>> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook
>> in the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>>
>> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
>> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
>> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half
>> the time I can get away without using Softscrub.
>
> Lately, I have tried out a few of the "wipes" and I have been pleased.
> What I like the most, is the Swiffer duster.

I've become a big fan of the wipes, I started using them a year
or two ago. So easy to give the bathroom and the kitchen a
quick cleaning without dragging out sprays and paper towels,
etc. They do a nice job on the remote controls, keyboard, etc.,
as well. The stovetop wipes I've mentioned before. I use the
microfiber miracle cloths for dusting. All very handy.

nancy

"Becca" > wrote
>
> Lately, I have tried out a few of the "wipes" and I have been pleased.
> What I like the most, is the Swiffer duster.

I love this! And I should have mentioned, the Swiffer wet mop requires
NO water. Thanks for reminding me. It works so well on tile, and even on
the hardwoods, because they have a pretty tough finish. (Also I run the dry
Swiffer over the hardwoods to make sure they are dry enough.)
>
> In parts of Texas and Louisiana, we alternate between droughts and floods.
> Today, it was 77 degrees and sunny. This weekend was full of Superbowl
> parties and Mardi Gras parades. I love spring time.
>

I remember that. I lived in Houston for a while. I LOVE Texas.

> Best of luck with your drought.
>

Thank you. It is the worst one we've had in 20 years.



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On Feb 4, 8:51*pm, Becca > wrote:

> In parts of Texas and Louisiana, we alternate between droughts and
> floods. *Today, it was 77 degrees and sunny. This weekend was full of
> Superbowl parties and Mardi Gras parades. *I love spring time.

Yes, I look forward to its arrival in a month or two. It's up in the
lower
40s today, but I bet we'll see single digits again before February is
over.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
> to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
> flush the toilets often (ugh).
>
> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
> the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>
> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
> time I can get away without using Softscrub.
>
>
>
>

1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.

"T" > wrote
> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.

I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
you know?



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cybercat wrote:
>
> "T" > wrote
> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>
> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
> you know?

That is the technique you use with the shower in a camper when you
aren't camping anywhere with hookups. When you have 36 gal of fresh
water and 18 gal gray and black water tanks to last you a week, you
learn to both conserve water and holding tank space.

On Mon 04 Feb 2008 07:59:13p, Pete C. told us...

> cybercat wrote:
>>
>> "T" > wrote
>> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
>> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>>
>> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
>> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
>> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
>> you know?
>
> That is the technique you use with the shower in a camper when you
> aren't camping anywhere with hookups. When you have 36 gal of fresh
> water and 18 gal gray and black water tanks to last you a week, you
> learn to both conserve water and holding tank space.
>

One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Mon 04 Feb 2008 07:59:13p, Pete C. told us...
>
> > cybercat wrote:
> >>
> >> "T" > wrote
> >> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> >> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> >> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
> >>
> >> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
> >> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
> >> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
> >> you know?
> >
> > That is the technique you use with the shower in a camper when you
> > aren't camping anywhere with hookups. When you have 36 gal of fresh
> > water and 18 gal gray and black water tanks to last you a week, you
> > learn to both conserve water and holding tank space.
> >
>
> One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.

Well, that's pretty silly. I suppose you need to stay at a hotel, which
pretty well limits you to developed areas, missing some of the best
places to visit.

In article 4>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Mon 04 Feb 2008 07:59:13p, Pete C. told us...

> > That is the technique you use with the shower in a camper when you
> > aren't camping anywhere with hookups. When you have 36 gal of fresh
> > water and 18 gal gray and black water tanks to last you a week, you
> > learn to both conserve water and holding tank space.
> >
>
> One of the major reasons I wouldn't own a camper.

Shouldn't be a major reason. I'm guessing that at least 90% of camper
owners will only camp in places with full hookups. Campgrounds without
full hookups are usually noted as, "RVs welcome, but SELF-CONTAINED
ONLY!".

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In article >,
says...
>
> "T" > wrote
> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>
> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
> you know?
>
>
>
>

Yeah I bet it does. If the water system in this house wasn't so
sensitive I could do that, but it takes at least a minute to re-adjust
the temperature.

I wish they had a cutoff valve on showers that just temporarily stopped
the flow.

T wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > "T" > wrote
> > > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> > > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> > > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
> >
> > I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
> > do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
> > then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
> > you know?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yeah I bet it does. If the water system in this house wasn't so
> sensitive I could do that, but it takes at least a minute to re-adjust
> the temperature.

Some of the pressure balanced controls have good independent temp and
flow controls.

>
> I wish they had a cutoff valve on showers that just temporarily stopped
> the flow.

They do, and it's the norm on shower heads used in RVs.

T wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "T" > wrote
>> > 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
>> > that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>> > minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>>
>> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
>> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
>> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
>> you know?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yeah I bet it does. If the water system in this house wasn't so
> sensitive I could do that, but it takes at least a minute to re-adjust
> the temperature.
>
> I wish they had a cutoff valve on showers that just temporarily stopped
> the flow.

A six-dollar shower head with a shutoff valve in it. Go shopping.


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T wrote:

> Yeah I bet it does. If the water system in this house wasn't so
> sensitive I could do that, but it takes at least a minute to re-adjust
> the temperature.
>
> I wish they had a cutoff valve on showers that just temporarily stopped
> the flow.

Most of the modern hand held showers have a setting to shut off the water and
one hand taps just have to pushed in. Water temperature is not going to
change that much when you pull it back out.

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:

>
> I don't time myself, I just do my best. The mayor says you can
> do it in one minute, if you wet down, turn off the water, lather up,
> then rinse. Kind of takes all the pleasure out of a nice hot shower,
> you know?


I bet the mayor doesn't have waist length hair. No way to wash and rinse
in a minute. lol

T wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>> Here in Raleigh we are under severe water restrictions, and are being asked
>> to use disposable plates and utensils, take one-minute showers (!), and not
>> flush the toilets often (ugh).
>>
>> I still use too much water due to cleaning pots and pans. ( I do not cook in
>> the microwave, and I am not about to start.)
>>
>> One thing I found that helps save water while cleaning the kitchen and
>> baths--Clorox Cean Wipes, the kind without bleach. They are lemon-scented
>> and disinfecting. They do a really nice job on my glasstop range, half the
>> time I can get away without using Softscrub.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.

I don't think I want to be around those people. And I guess they never
shampoo, either.


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T wrote:

> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.

Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually start
laterhing up with the cold water while the whot water is coming up from the tank.
I start with the shampoo them soap of the body, extremitie and nether regions and
by the time the hot water arrives I am ready to rinse off. It rarely takes more
than a minute.

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:47:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>T wrote:
>
>> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
>> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>
>Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually start
>laterhing up with the cold water while the whot water is coming up from the tank.
>I start with the shampoo them soap of the body, extremitie and nether regions and
>by the time the hot water arrives I am ready to rinse off. It rarely takes more
>than a minute.

Might as well use a bucket.

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On Feb 5, 10:09 am, sf wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:47:40 -0500, Dave Smith
>
> > wrote:
> >T wrote:
>
> >> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
> >> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
> >> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>
> >Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually start
> >laterhing up with the cold water while the whot water is coming up from the tank.
> >I start with the shampoo them soap of the body, extremitie and nether regions and
> >by the time the hot water arrives I am ready to rinse off. It rarely takes more
> >than a minute.
>
> Might as well use a bucket.
>
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The bucket sounds better; you get hot water all the time.

Not that I have anything against cool showers as long as the
temperature is over 35 C.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Dave Smith wrote:

> T wrote:
>
>> 1 minute shower? Holy crap, I'm a guy and there's no way I could move
>> that fast. Granted, I can get the in-shower portion down to about 5
>> minutes or so but 1 is pushing it.
>
> Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
> start laterhing up with the cold water

That's where you lost me.


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Blinky the Shark wrote:

>
> > Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
> > start laterhing up with the cold water
>
> That's where you lost me.

With the typo or the process.?
My bathroom is across the house and two floors up from the water heater, so
I have 1/2 diameter pipe by 35 ft or so of pipes full of water that is
likely to have cooled off, so it takes a minute for the water to warm up. I
run that through the tap, wet the soak and get lathered up with the cool
water, and by the time it is hot I am ready to rinse. my shower is done
within a minute or two. I don't sit there and play with myself while all
that hot water goes down the drain.

I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but
it wastes a lot of hot water, and when we are on water restictions it is
wasting water period.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
>> > Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
>> > start laterhing up with the cold water
>>
>> That's where you lost me.
>
> With the typo or the process.?

Didn't notice the typo. With showering in cold water. Ugh!

> My bathroom is across the house and two floors up from the water heater, so
> I have 1/2 diameter pipe by 35 ft or so of pipes full of water that is
> likely to have cooled off, so it takes a minute for the water to warm up. I
> run that through the tap, wet the soak and get lathered up with the cool
> water, and by the time it is hot I am ready to rinse. my shower is done
> within a minute or two. I don't sit there and play with myself while all
> that hot water goes down the drain.
>
> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
> under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but

Why, it's almost like it must feel good or something.


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On Feb 5, 4:17 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>
> > > Showers must be one place where people waste a lot of water. I usually
> > > start laterhing up with the cold water
>
> > That's where you lost me.
>
> With the typo or the process.?
> My bathroom is across the house and two floors up from the water heater, so
> I have 1/2 diameter pipe by 35 ft or so of pipes full of water that is
> likely to have cooled off, so it takes a minute for the water to warm up.

Instantaneous (Tankless) Water Heater ? Nasty capital cost but
saves hydro and water.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada


> I
> run that through the tap, wet the soak and get lathered up with the cool
> water, and by the time it is hot I am ready to rinse. my shower is done
> within a minute or two. I don't sit there and play with myself while all
> that hot water goes down the drain.
>
> I can't help but notice that there a anumber of guys at the gym who stand
> under the hot shower for a long time. I doubt that they get any cleaner, but
> it wastes a lot of hot water, and when we are on water restictions it is
> wasting water period.