You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm

Marcelino wrote:
> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>
>

A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.

It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
Africa, India, et cetera.

I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.

What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:55:38 GMT, Richard Periut >
wrote:

>Marcelino wrote:
>> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>>
>> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm

>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>
>It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
>animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
>suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
>Africa, India, et cetera.
>
>I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
>BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
>chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.

What makes you say that?

>What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!

Not everyone who is concerned about animal suffering drives BMWs,
drinks California wine (?), or has a cotton candy life, and it's
certainly not hypocritical to be dismayed by bad treatment of animals.


Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Curly Sue wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:55:38 GMT, Richard Periut >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Marcelino wrote:
>>
>>>You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>>>
>>>http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>>
>
>>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
>>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>>
>>It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
>>animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
>>suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
>>Africa, India, et cetera.
>>
>>I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
>>BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
>>chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>
>
> What makes you say that?


I never see those animal lovers, concern themselves with the biggest
problem in our existence; human suffering--especially from situations in
which there are remedies.

>
>
>>What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!
>
>
> Not everyone who is concerned about animal suffering drives BMWs,
> drinks California wine (?), or has a cotton candy life, and it's
> certainly not hypocritical to be dismayed by bad treatment of animals.
>

Yes when the human factor has been totally ignored. Can you look at
yourself at the mirror in the mornings?



>
> Sue(tm)
> Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!



--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 01:18:57 GMT, Richard Periut >
wrote:

>Curly Sue wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:55:38 GMT, Richard Periut >
>> wrote:
>>>Marcelino wrote:
>>>
>>>>You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>>>>http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>>>
>>
>>>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
>>>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>>>
>>>It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
>>>animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
>>>suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
>>>Africa, India, et cetera.
>>>
>>>I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
>>>BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
>>>chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.

>> What makes you say that?
>
>I never see those animal lovers, concern themselves with the biggest
>problem in our existence; human suffering--especially from situations in
>which there are remedies.

Maybe you're not looking.

>>>What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!
>>
>> Not everyone who is concerned about animal suffering drives BMWs,
>> drinks California wine (?), or has a cotton candy life, and it's
>> certainly not hypocritical to be dismayed by bad treatment of animals.
>>
>Yes when the human factor has been totally ignored. Can you look at
>yourself at the mirror in the mornings?

What is the human factor of mistreating animals?

Anyone who claims to abide the suffering of animals under the pretense
of concern for humans is truly a hypocrite, more concerned about
self-righteous judgement of others than human suffering. What is it
that you see when you look at yourself in the mirror in the morning?

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

"Richard Periut" > wrote in message
...
> Curly Sue wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 00:55:38 GMT, Richard Periut >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Marcelino wrote:
> >>
> >>>You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> >>
> >
> >>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> >>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> >>
> >>It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> >>animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> >>suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> >>Africa, India, et cetera.
> >>
> >>I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> >>BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> >>chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and
healed.
> >
> >
> > What makes you say that?
>
>
> I never see those animal lovers, concern themselves with the biggest
> problem in our existence; human suffering--especially from situations in
> which there are remedies.
>
> >
> >
> >>What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!
> >
> >
> > Not everyone who is concerned about animal suffering drives BMWs,
> > drinks California wine (?), or has a cotton candy life, and it's
> > certainly not hypocritical to be dismayed by bad treatment of animals.
> >
>
> Yes when the human factor has been totally ignored. Can you look at
> yourself at the mirror in the mornings?


Pray tell what is it exactly you do to aid the suffering humans in the
world?

Paul

Your argument makes no sense at all, and what criteria do you have to judge
standards?

The fact that an innocent animal life is being destroyed to tempt the taste
buds of an idiot like yourself

is the reason why such videos exist to increase peoples' awareness of animal
suffering and

butchery.



> A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>
> It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> Africa, India, et cetera.
>
> I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>
> What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!
>
> Richard
>
> --
> "..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans and a nice chianti..."
>
> Hannibal "The Cannibal"
>
> Silence Of The Lambs 1991
>

Marcelino wrote:
> Your argument makes no sense at all, and what criteria do you have to judge
> standards?

Standards are that morons like you and your ilk, care not about the
fact, that 1/3 of the world's population are suffering from hunger and
curable diseases.

To worry about the piggies and the whales, is trivial.






> The fact that an innocent animal life is being destroyed to tempt the taste
> buds of an idiot like yourself
>
> is the reason why such videos exist to increase peoples' awareness of animal
> suffering and
>
> butchery.
>
>
>
>
>>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
>>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>>
>>It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
>>animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
>>suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
>>Africa, India, et cetera.
>>
>>I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
>>BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
>>chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>>
>>What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>--
>>"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
>>beans and a nice chianti..."
>>
>>Hannibal "The Cannibal"
>>
>>Silence Of The Lambs 1991
>>
>
>
>
>
>



--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

"Richard Periut" > wrote in message
...
> Marcelino wrote:
> > Your argument makes no sense at all, and what criteria do you have to
judge
> > standards?
>
> Standards are that morons like you and your ilk, care not about the
> fact, that 1/3 of the world's population are suffering from hunger and
> curable diseases.
>
> To worry about the piggies and the whales, is trivial.

And why is that, exactly? What makes humans more worthy of concern, really?
You stand upon your soap box preaching and making blanket judgements...what
are YOU doing to ease human suffering? Or is it that you just contribute and
then point fingers?

kimberly

>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The fact that an innocent animal life is being destroyed to tempt the
taste
> > buds of an idiot like yourself
> >
> > is the reason why such videos exist to increase peoples' awareness of
animal
> > suffering and
> >
> > butchery.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> >>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> >>
> >>It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> >>animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> >>suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> >>Africa, India, et cetera.
> >>
> >>I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> >>BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> >>chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and
healed.
> >>
> >>What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!
> >>
> >>Richard
> >>
> >>--
> >>"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> >>beans and a nice chianti..."
> >>
> >>Hannibal "The Cannibal"
> >>
> >>Silence Of The Lambs 1991
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans and a nice chianti..."
>
> Hannibal "The Cannibal"
>
> Silence Of The Lambs 1991
>

Marcelino wrote:

> The fact that an innocent animal life is being destroyed to tempt the taste
> buds of an idiot like yourself


Life feeds on life... this is necessary...

~john!

In article >, says...
> Marcelino wrote:
> > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >
> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> >
> >
>
> A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.

Indeed - but you know what, I find the bolt gun perfectly acceptable for
weeding out the runts. It's a production issue.

> It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> Africa, India, et cetera.
>
> I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>
> What friggin quintessential hypocrisy!

Oh PETA is well known for it's 'animals first' beliefs. Uh hello, human
beings are animals too. As to curable disease, members of the PETA
hierarchy have been quoted as saying that even if it brought about a
cure for something like cancer, they cannot condone using animals for
medical testing.

I'm having brined pork chops for dinner tomorrow. And know what, that
video didn't change my opinion one bit.

We're omnivores - some day the idiots at PETA will figure that out.

"Richard Periut" > wrote in message
...
> Marcelino wrote:
> > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >
> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> >
> >
>
> A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>
> It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> Africa, India, et cetera.
>
> I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.

Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources. The
amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number of
people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to buy
meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated). It's
the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world hunger...

"C. James Strutz" wrote:

> "Richard Periut" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Marcelino wrote:
> > > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> > >
> > > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> > >
> > >
> >
> > A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> > as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> >
> > It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> > animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> > suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> > Africa, India, et cetera.
> >
> > I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> > BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
> > chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>
> Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources. The
> amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number of
> people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to buy
> meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated). It's
> the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world hunger...

Most, if not all these problems could be turned against themselves and turned
into solutions, if only people would think. For example, pig waste can be used
to produce massive amounts of free methane (and is being used to do so in other
countries). Simply blaming the fact that man was designed as carnivores as well
as herbivores (omnivorous), is not a solution, but is part of the problem.

Gary




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"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> "C. James Strutz" wrote:
>
> > "Richard Periut" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Marcelino wrote:
> > > > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> > > as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> > >
> > > It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> > > animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> > > suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> > > Africa, India, et cetera.
> > >
> > > I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> > > BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig,
a
> > > chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and
healed.
> >
> > Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources.
The
> > amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number
of
> > people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> > fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> > pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> > Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to
buy
> > meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated).
It's
> > the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world
hunger...
>
> Most, if not all these problems could be turned against themselves and
turned
> into solutions, if only people would think. For example, pig waste can be
used
> to produce massive amounts of free methane (and is being used to do so in
other
> countries).

I'll give you that methane could be extracted from animal waste (though far
less efficiently than extracting energy directly from grain, biomass, etc.),
but it still doesn't address the concerns of producing and transporting
enough food to feed the world's hungry.

> Simply blaming the fact that man was designed as carnivores as well
> as herbivores (omnivorous), is not a solution, but is part of the problem.

It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.

In article >,
says...

> It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
> research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
> linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
> molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
> and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.

Whereas the length of the human gut is ideally suited to digest both
meat and vegetable matter.

Regarding heart disease and diabetes - many other things have had the
finger pointed at them in the past. Remember eggs?

I believe that part of the auto-immune problems are due to hormones they
inject into the animals, not the animals themselves.

"C. James Strutz" wrote:

> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > "C. James Strutz" wrote:
> >
> > > "Richard Periut" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Marcelino wrote:
> > > > > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
> > > > as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
> > > >
> > > > It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
> > > > animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
> > > > suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
> > > > Africa, India, et cetera.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
> > > > BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig,
> a
> > > > chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and
> healed.
> > >
> > > Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources.
> The
> > > amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number
> of
> > > people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> > > fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> > > pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> > > Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to
> buy
> > > meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated).
> It's
> > > the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world
> hunger...
> >
> > Most, if not all these problems could be turned against themselves and
> turned
> > into solutions, if only people would think. For example, pig waste can be
> used
> > to produce massive amounts of free methane (and is being used to do so in
> other
> > countries).
>
> I'll give you that methane could be extracted from animal waste (though far
> less efficiently than extracting energy directly from grain, biomass, etc.),
> but it still doesn't address the concerns of producing and transporting
> enough food to feed the world's hungry.
>
> > Simply blaming the fact that man was designed as carnivores as well
> > as herbivores (omnivorous), is not a solution, but is part of the problem.
>
> It's arguable that humans were designed as omnivores. Some of the lastest
> research indicates that the substance Neu5Gc in meat/dairy products may be
> linked to diseases such as heart disease and diabetes. The presence of these
> molelules triggers an auto-immune response that causes systemic inflammation
> and is thought to contribute to various diseases in the long term.

It's all in the teeth. We have meat eating teeth (as well as vegetable eating
teeth).

Gary




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In article >,
"C. James Strutz" > wrote:

<snip>
>
> Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources. The
> amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number of
> people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to buy
> meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated). It's
> the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world hunger...
>
Read Malthus. Sounds to me like the problem is over population (whatever
happened to the zero-growth folks?) I will not lower the quality of my
life so we can stuff another few billion souls on this already
overburdoned planet.

I've lived a rather long and productive life. However I intentionally
didn't produce children so that we earthlings could afford to grow a few
more cows.

Regards,
Dave (pass the gravy) W.

--
Living in the Ozarks. For email, dot edu will do!

"Dave W." > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources.
The
> > amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number
of
> > people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> > fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> > pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> > Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to
buy
> > meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated).
It's
> > the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world
hunger...
> >
> Read Malthus. Sounds to me like the problem is over population (whatever
> happened to the zero-growth folks?) I will not lower the quality of my
> life so we can stuff another few billion souls on this already
> overburdoned planet.

You're right that overpopulation is a problem. However, I contend that not
eating meat and dairy raises the quality of life rather than lowering it....

>
> I've lived a rather long and productive life. However I intentionally
> didn't produce children so that we earthlings could afford to grow a few
> more cows.
>
> Regards,
> Dave (pass the gravy) W.
>
> --
> Living in the Ozarks. For email, dot edu will do!

C. James Strutz wrote:

> You're right that overpopulation is a problem. However, I contend that not
> eating meat and dairy raises the quality of life rather than lowering
> it....

How?

--
Darryl L. Pierce >
Visit the Infobahn Offramp - <http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/c/mcpierce>
"What do you care what other people think, Mr. Feynman?"

"Dave W." wrote:

> In article >,
> "C. James Strutz" > wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources. The
> > amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number of
> > people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
> > fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world. And the
> > pork industry, in particular, is a major producer of hazerdous waste.
> > Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to buy
> > meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated). It's
> > the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world hunger...
> >
> Read Malthus. Sounds to me like the problem is over population (whatever
> happened to the zero-growth folks?) I will not lower the quality of my
> life so we can stuff another few billion souls on this already
> overburdoned planet.
>
> I've lived a rather long and productive life. However I intentionally
> didn't produce children so that we earthlings could afford to grow a few
> more cows.
>
> Regards,
> Dave (pass the gravy) W.
>
> --
> Living in the Ozarks. For email, dot edu will do!

Indeed! I don't make children and I don't drive vehicles, so *I* am entitles to a
pork chop now and then! )

Gary




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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:59:28 -0400, "C. James Strutz"
> wrote:

>
>"Richard Periut" > wrote
>> Marcelino wrote:
>> > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>> >
>> A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
>> as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.
>>
>> It's just amazing the way these hypocrites try to raise awareness of
>> animal suffering, without shedding an iota of evidence to human
>> suffering; the children dying of hunger and *Curable* diseases in
>> Africa, India, et cetera.
>>
>> I'm sure these people, with their cotton candy lives, driving their
>> BMW's, and drinking California wine, would rather see a whale, a pig, a
>> chicken, or a mink saved, before 10 human children can be fed and healed.
>
>Raising livestock as a food source is a huge inefficiency of resources. The
>amount of grain used to feed livestock could feed many times the number of
>people than the meat could feed. Livestock also consume huge amounts of
>fresh water which is in short supply in many parts of the world.

And non-food animals don't?

>Furthermore, many of the hungry people of the world couldn't afford to buy
>meat even if you could get it to them easily (it must be refrigerated).

As a recent book about the history of commercial ice use (drat, can't
find it) details, refrigeration only became common in industrialized
countries around the time of WWII. OTOH, people have been eating
animals (and fish and fowl) for all of human history. The relative
expense of animal protein is vastly dependent on local conditions.

>It's
>the meat eaters of the world who are contributing more to world hunger...

Bosh. If one chooses vegetarianism out of ethical, religious, or
health reasons, I have no quarrel. However, "world hunger" is caused
by many factors, not least of which is war and civil chaos. There was
plenty of food in Somalia as we all watched video of starving
children. If I stop eating chicken, it's not going to make it
economically feasible to ship surplus US grain to Africa.

Richard Periut wrote:
>A video which portrays a few sick and frustrated freaks, doesn't stand
>as the standard for killing pigs in the pork industry.

If there's anything worse than clubbing baby seals to death, it's
creating a web page which requires cookies and embeds a "player"
object. Why can't they just give us the download links? PETA should
know better -- every time someone creates an unusable web page, God
kills a kitten.

--
Lucian

Marcelino wrote:

> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm

It's just a simple misconception...

While beating the swine with a metal pole may look disturbing at first
glance, the farmer is actually helping to improve the quality of the
pork by tenderizing it..

~john!

Levelwave, you bring up a good point. Cannibals would love to tenderize you
I am sure you would
enjoy getting a good beating with a spear shoved up your anus ....
http://www.cannibalholocaust.net/cannibal/sha2.gif

"levelwave" > wrote in message
...
> Marcelino wrote:
>
> > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >
> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>
> It's just a simple misconception...
>
> While beating the swine with a metal pole may look disturbing at first
> glance, the farmer is actually helping to improve the quality of the
> pork by tenderizing it..
>
> ~john!
>

Marcelino wrote:

> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm

Well, that pretty much ruined my appetite for pork for the time being,
and I love pork chops, bacon and ham. I know that things like that are
bound to happen in all meat industries, and I'm sure if everyone knew
about it all, they would question eating meat altogether. Although such
animals are raised and intended to be eaten, I feel they deserve a little
more dignity and humane treatment while they are alive; just because they
are intended for slaughter from the day they are born, doesn't mean they
should be brutalized while they are alive. But, God gave me meat eating
teeth, and a natural appetite for meat, so I'll not convert to
vegetarianism. It's clear that these practices need to be changed, but I
can't foresee boycotting meat completely for life, so I'll stop buying
pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
I'll consider buying it again.

Just my $0.02 opinion.

Gary




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I feel the same way.After I watched the video I no longer care for eating
Pork.. You think that video was bad..Take a look at what they do here..
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....deo=pigfarminv




"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Marcelino wrote:
>
> > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >
> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>
> Well, that pretty much ruined my appetite for pork for the time being,
> and I love pork chops, bacon and ham. I know that things like that are
> bound to happen in all meat industries, and I'm sure if everyone knew
> about it all, they would question eating meat altogether. Although such
> animals are raised and intended to be eaten, I feel they deserve a little
> more dignity and humane treatment while they are alive; just because they
> are intended for slaughter from the day they are born, doesn't mean they
> should be brutalized while they are alive. But, God gave me meat eating
> teeth, and a natural appetite for meat, so I'll not convert to
> vegetarianism. It's clear that these practices need to be changed, but I
> can't foresee boycotting meat completely for life, so I'll stop buying
> pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
> I'll consider buying it again.
>
> Just my $0.02 opinion.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
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Marcelino wrote:
> I feel the same way.After I watched the video I no longer care for eating
> Pork.. You think that video was bad..Take a look at what they do here..
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....deo=pigfarminv
>
>
>
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
>
>>Marcelino wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>>>
>>>http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>>
>>Well, that pretty much ruined my appetite for pork for the time being,
>>and I love pork chops, bacon and ham. I know that things like that are
>>bound to happen in all meat industries, and I'm sure if everyone knew
>>about it all, they would question eating meat altogether. Although such
>>animals are raised and intended to be eaten, I feel they deserve a little
>>more dignity and humane treatment while they are alive; just because they
>>are intended for slaughter from the day they are born, doesn't mean they
>>should be brutalized while they are alive. But, God gave me meat eating
>>teeth, and a natural appetite for meat, so I'll not convert to
>>vegetarianism. It's clear that these practices need to be changed, but I
>>can't foresee boycotting meat completely for life, so I'll stop buying
>>pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
>>I'll consider buying it again.
>>
>>Just my $0.02 opinion.
>>
>>Gary
>>
>>
>>
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>
>


What a bunch of friggin losers. PETA is a friggin cult, and these films
are probably shot by them, to *raise* awareness and make $$$ off the
idiots that follow this lame cause.

What reasons do normal pork farmers have, for killing pigs this way?

Like they hire trailer trash to do the killing for them?

Geez, how friggin ignorant and stupid can people be.

However, as the saying goes; there is a sucker born every minute.

R


--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

Man..you need to get your head out of your ass.PETA is not a Cult.And
yes..What reason do they have to treat these animals this way.Normal you
say...I guess not..Just messed up in the head and with some of your
answers.You dont seem to be ALL THEIR either..

"Richard Periut" > wrote in message
...
> Marcelino wrote:
> > I feel the same way.After I watched the video I no longer care for
eating
> > Pork.. You think that video was bad..Take a look at what they do here..
> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....deo=pigfarminv
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >>Marcelino wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
> >>
> >>Well, that pretty much ruined my appetite for pork for the time being,
> >>and I love pork chops, bacon and ham. I know that things like that are
> >>bound to happen in all meat industries, and I'm sure if everyone knew
> >>about it all, they would question eating meat altogether. Although such
> >>animals are raised and intended to be eaten, I feel they deserve a
little
> >>more dignity and humane treatment while they are alive; just because
they
> >>are intended for slaughter from the day they are born, doesn't mean they
> >>should be brutalized while they are alive. But, God gave me meat eating
> >>teeth, and a natural appetite for meat, so I'll not convert to
> >>vegetarianism. It's clear that these practices need to be changed, but I
> >>can't foresee boycotting meat completely for life, so I'll stop buying
> >>pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
> >>I'll consider buying it again.
> >>
> >>Just my $0.02 opinion.
> >>
> >>Gary
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
>
>
> What a bunch of friggin losers. PETA is a friggin cult, and these films
> are probably shot by them, to *raise* awareness and make $$$ off the
> idiots that follow this lame cause.
>
> What reasons do normal pork farmers have, for killing pigs this way?
>
> Like they hire trailer trash to do the killing for them?
>
> Geez, how friggin ignorant and stupid can people be.
>
> However, as the saying goes; there is a sucker born every minute.
>
> R
>
>
> --
> "..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans and a nice chianti..."
>
> Hannibal "The Cannibal"
>
> Silence Of The Lambs 1991
>

Marcelino wrote:

> You dont seem to be ALL THEIR either..

That would be - "there"

~john!

Richard Periut wrote:

> What a bunch of friggin losers. PETA is a friggin cult, and these films
> are probably shot by them, to *raise* awareness and make $$$ off the
> idiots that follow this lame cause.
>
> What reasons do normal pork farmers have, for killing pigs this way?
>
> Like they hire trailer trash to do the killing for them?
>
> Geez, how friggin ignorant and stupid can people be.
>
> However, as the saying goes; there is a sucker born every minute.
>
> R
>
> --
> "..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans and a nice chianti..."
>
> Hannibal "The Cannibal"
>
> Silence Of The Lambs 1991

*I* never voiced support for PETA, as I know of the dirt on their hands, too.
Please don't lump *me* in with your generalized group, okay? Thanks.

Gary






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On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:42:16 -0600, Gary > wrote:

>Marcelino wrote:
>
>> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>>
>> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>
>Well, that pretty much ruined my appetite for pork for the time being,
>and I love pork chops, bacon and ham. I know that things like that are
>bound to happen in all meat industries, and I'm sure if everyone knew
>about it all, they would question eating meat altogether. Although such
>animals are raised and intended to be eaten, I feel they deserve a little
>more dignity and humane treatment while they are alive; just because they
>are intended for slaughter from the day they are born, doesn't mean they
>should be brutalized while they are alive. But, God gave me meat eating
>teeth, and a natural appetite for meat, so I'll not convert to
>vegetarianism. It's clear that these practices need to be changed, but I
>can't foresee boycotting meat completely for life, so I'll stop buying
>pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
>I'll consider buying it again.
>
>Just my $0.02 opinion.

Farm Sanctuary does some really good work along those lines.
http://www.farmsanctuary.org

They do promote a vegan lifestyle but are not in-your-face about it.
They are more focused on realistic legislation to prevent cruelty to
farm animals rather than impractical no-meat campaigning. For
example, they got 30 of NYC restaurants to sign a pledge not to use
white veal (i.e. from crated animals).

So send them $0.02 :>

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:42:16 -0600, Gary > wrote:
> I'll stop buying
>pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
>I'll consider buying it again.

Gary,

A few things...while they had video of this happening at this
particular factory farm, it by itself proves nothing. I'll bet nearly
every industry could find people that are just plain mean. The
difference? These folks are mean, and have the job of killing animals,
so they did it poorly.

Second, regardless of the PETA release date, a little research shows
that this incident happened about August 2001...according to the
criminal complaint. The manager was charged with 4 felony counts of
animal cruelty. He pleaded no contest, and is on supervised probation
awaiting sentencing (max 5 years +$500 per count...not enough I
suppose, but a start). He is no longer employed by Seaboard Farms. The
DA (this happened in Texas County, OK) is considering charges for the
other workers seen in the video.

Civil suit was brought by the Sierra Club, and was settled in January
of 2003 (the details of the settlement were not released).

And if you are willing to believe it, Seaboard Farms press releases
point out that as of June 2003, they were "setting a new industry
standard" by implementing 3rd party, unannounced inspections of their
facilities by Farm Animal Care Training and Auditing (FACTA) LLC.

So...disturbing to be sure, but this link a couple years too late to
be an immediate issue with that particular agency, who appears to be
cleaning up their act.

Bob

P.S. As you suggest, the right thing isn't to convert to
vegitarianism, it's to ensure that these farms manage their animals
properly.

wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:42:16 -0600, Gary > wrote:
>
>>I'll stop buying
>>pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
>>I'll consider buying it again.
>
>
> Gary,
>
> A few things...while they had video of this happening at this
> particular factory farm, it by itself proves nothing. I'll bet nearly
> every industry could find people that are just plain mean. The
> difference? These folks are mean, and have the job of killing animals,
> so they did it poorly.
>
> Second, regardless of the PETA release date, a little research shows
> that this incident happened about August 2001...according to the
> criminal complaint. The manager was charged with 4 felony counts of
> animal cruelty. He pleaded no contest, and is on supervised probation
> awaiting sentencing (max 5 years +$500 per count...not enough I
> suppose, but a start). He is no longer employed by Seaboard Farms. The
> DA (this happened in Texas County, OK) is considering charges for the
> other workers seen in the video.
>
> Civil suit was brought by the Sierra Club, and was settled in January
> of 2003 (the details of the settlement were not released).
>
> And if you are willing to believe it, Seaboard Farms press releases
> point out that as of June 2003, they were "setting a new industry
> standard" by implementing 3rd party, unannounced inspections of their
> facilities by Farm Animal Care Training and Auditing (FACTA) LLC.
>
> So...disturbing to be sure, but this link a couple years too late to
> be an immediate issue with that particular agency, who appears to be
> cleaning up their act.
>
> Bob
>
> P.S. As you suggest, the right thing isn't to convert to
> vegitarianism, it's to ensure that these farms manage their animals
> properly.

The reasons why the submorons that started this thread, should shut
their moronic bineuronal brains up!



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beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

wrote:

> On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 19:42:16 -0600, Gary > wrote:
> > I'll stop buying
> >pork for now, and let publicity and legislation catch up to this, then
> >I'll consider buying it again.
>
> Gary,
>
> A few things...while they had video of this happening at this
> particular factory farm, it by itself proves nothing. I'll bet nearly
> every industry could find people that are just plain mean. The
> difference? These folks are mean, and have the job of killing animals,
> so they did it poorly.
>
> Second, regardless of the PETA release date, a little research shows
> that this incident happened about August 2001...according to the
> criminal complaint. The manager was charged with 4 felony counts of
> animal cruelty. He pleaded no contest, and is on supervised probation
> awaiting sentencing (max 5 years +$500 per count...not enough I
> suppose, but a start). He is no longer employed by Seaboard Farms. The
> DA (this happened in Texas County, OK) is considering charges for the
> other workers seen in the video.
>
> Civil suit was brought by the Sierra Club, and was settled in January
> of 2003 (the details of the settlement were not released).
>
> And if you are willing to believe it, Seaboard Farms press releases
> point out that as of June 2003, they were "setting a new industry
> standard" by implementing 3rd party, unannounced inspections of their
> facilities by Farm Animal Care Training and Auditing (FACTA) LLC.
>
> So...disturbing to be sure, but this link a couple years too late to
> be an immediate issue with that particular agency, who appears to be
> cleaning up their act.
>
> Bob
>
> P.S. As you suggest, the right thing isn't to convert to
> vegitarianism, it's to ensure that these farms manage their animals
> properly.

Good points, and I agree. I was thinking in the back of my head that this
was probably an isolated incident anyway. I was feeling that that certainly
couldn't be the state of the industry across the board; it had to be an
exception. Also, I was sort of suspicious that no names or farms were
mentioned specifically.

But, I wasn't aware that that case was so old, and has already been
addressed appropriately. Thanks for that information. Information that PETA
should include on their site (as they remove that dated material). To
continue to maintain such a video, well after it has been corrected, it a
questionable tactic indeed. And, as I mentioned in another reply, I know of
the dirt on PETA's hands; they are NOT as pure and spotless as they want
people to think.

Again, thanks. I'll resume my pork consumption as if I never saw that.
(Boy, that's the shortest boycott *I* have ever done! ).

Gary




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I don't do PETA. They are all mentally disturbed people. If they had their
way, humans would cease to exist and let the plants and animals have the
planet.

BTW, years ago I read that plants also have nevous systems. When monitored,
the scream and cry when abused. The experiment was someone going in and
destroying some plants. When the same person entered the room, the plants
went spastic. Decades ago. Don't remember the reference.

So, if it were true, the veggies of the world are commiting just as heinous
a crime against another life form. Go PETA! Eliminate all human life by
starvation, including yourselves!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcelino" >
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Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 8:08 PM
Subject: If You Eat Pork of any kind


> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.

"Marcelino" > wrote in message
.com...
> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>
>

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:35:46 -0400, "No One" >
wrote:

>I don't do PETA.

They've been accused of as much dirt as they dish out on others.


>BTW, years ago I read that plants also have nevous systems. When monitored,
>the scream and cry when abused. The experiment was someone going in and
>destroying some plants. When the same person entered the room, the plants
>went spastic. Decades ago. Don't remember the reference.
>
Reminds me of Douglas Adams, "Restaurant at the End of the Universe".
By then, they had genetically created an animal that was not only bred
to be eaten, it wanted to be eaten, and could state such quite
clearly. Horrified by the fact that this creature was suggesting
various cuts of himself to serve for dinner, Arthur Dent asked for a
salad. 'A salad would be fine. That can't hurt anyone can it?' The
creature sighs and says, "I know a lot of vegetables who would beg to
differ, sir".

Bob

Marcelino wrote:

> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>
[snipped a PETA propaganda link]

So just how long have you been a PETA member?

--

In .com,
Marcelino > typed:
> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>
> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm

For this weekend, I'm planning to cook 2 pork shoulders, 6 racks of spare
ribs, a couple of chickens, 3 to 4 dozen chicken wings and a brisket. All
will be cooked over fire to as close to perfection as I can get.

I'm proud to be a member of P.E.T.A.
People Eating Tasty Animals

BOB
If God hadn't intended Man to eat animals, why did He make them taste so
good?

BOB wrote:

> In .com,
> Marcelino > typed:
> > You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
> >
> > http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>
> For this weekend, I'm planning to cook 2 pork shoulders, 6 racks of spare
> ribs, a couple of chickens, 3 to 4 dozen chicken wings and a brisket. All
> will be cooked over fire to as close to perfection as I can get.
>
> I'm proud to be a member of P.E.T.A.
> People Eating Tasty Animals
>
> BOB
> If God hadn't intended Man to eat animals, why did He make them taste so
> good?

Man! I'd like to be eating at your house this weekend! *drool* )

Gary




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Gary > typed:
> BOB wrote:
>
>> In .com,
>> Marcelino > typed:
>>> You really need to check this out... Pork eater especially.
>>>
>>> http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs....nahan-pig-farm
>>
>> For this weekend, I'm planning to cook 2 pork shoulders, 6 racks of spare
>> ribs, a couple of chickens, 3 to 4 dozen chicken wings and a brisket. All
>> will be cooked over fire to as close to perfection as I can get.
>>
>> I'm proud to be a member of P.E.T.A.
>> People Eating Tasty Animals
>>
>> BOB
>> If God hadn't intended Man to eat animals, why did He make them taste so
>> good?
>
> Man! I'd like to be eating at your house this weekend! *drool* )
>
> Gary
>
It's not at the house. It's a cook-in type cook-out. A bunch of us are
taking our ceramic cookers to a campground to share our cooking abilities and
also stuff ourselves with good food.

BOB