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Chatty Cathy said...

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Vote now!
>
> Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.


Thanks, Chatty Cathy and -L.!!! I needed a vote more than a back rub!

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Chatty Cathy said...
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>
>> Vote now!
>>
>> Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.
>
>
> Thanks, Chatty Cathy and -L.!!! I needed a vote more than a back rub!
>
We aim to please

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Interesting survey.
There's a missing option for the last question. That's keeping one's
nails so short that there's no "under" to clean.
I see that on this list, so far, we don't use waterless hand sanitizer.
It seems foolish when the water is right there.


--Lia

Julia Altshuler wrote:

> Interesting survey.
> There's a missing option for the last question. That's keeping one's
> nails so short that there's no "under" to clean.

You have a point. I have fairly long nails, so it didn't occur to me
either... That's why I always have to clean 'under' them.

> I see that on this list, so far, we don't use waterless hand sanitizer.
> It seems foolish when the water is right there.

To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
parts of the world.

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"Chatty Cathy" > wrote

> To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
> was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
> parts of the world.

It has its uses, primarily for when you are in need of sanitizing your
hands and are not near water. I don't know if you know who
Howie Mandel is ... he is a comedian who has OCD manifesting
itself in severe germ phobia.

He can no longer use that waterless hand sanitizer because he used it
so much, now he gets opportunistic infections on his hands. There
is such a thing as Too Clean. I wasn't sure how to answer the survey,
I settled on using liquid soap because I just use the dish detergent.
No special hand soap. In the bathroom, antibacterial.

On a lighter note, I saw a little film clip he made with his wife.
He was in the kitchen getting out a dish and she sneezed. He
looked at her in horror and said, What did I say about sneezing
in the kitchen? Next thing you see he's taking down a house with
a backhoe. Funny.

nancy

Michael "Dog3" Lonergan said...

> Andy <q> :
>
>> Chatty Cathy said...
>>
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>>
>>> Vote now!
>>>
>>> Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Chatty Cathy and -L.!!! I needed a vote more than a back rub!

>>
>> Andy
>>
>
> Oh shut up and clean your fingernails
>
> Michael


Michael,

Cleaning my nails is second nature.

Toothbrushes and hydrogen peroxide, they're not just for teeth. )

Andy

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> On a lighter note, I saw a little film clip he made with his wife.
> He was in the kitchen getting out a dish and she sneezed. He
> looked at her in horror and said, What did I say about sneezing
> in the kitchen? Next thing you see he's taking down a house with
> a backhoe. Funny.
>

I know people like that!

But seriously, one can be "too clean" IMHO. A friend of mine was told
that by her doctor when she had her kidlette in there 3 days a week for
one or another "infection"... He told her that the child needed to be
exposed to "normal household germs" in order to build up her immune
system. Makes sense to me.

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Chatty Cathy said...

> To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
> was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
> parts of the world.


Chatty Cathy,

They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.

Andy

Chatty Cathy said...

> But seriously, one can be "too clean" IMHO. A friend of mine was told
> that by her doctor when she had her kidlette in there 3 days a week for
> one or another "infection"... He told her that the child needed to be
> exposed to "normal household germs" in order to build up her immune
> system. Makes sense to me.


CC,

That's true. Some scientists claim that sterilizing kitchen wipes, etc.,
will as a result, lead to supergerms, resistant to such products, causing
unknown issues.

The claims and results have yet to be proven.

Andy

Andy wrote:

>
> They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
> times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
> wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
> don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.

Oh, *those* things. We get given them here in restaurants if you order
anything that needs to be "eaten by hand"! But I have never seen them
for sale to the general "Joe public" tho'. Thanks for the info.
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"Andy" <q> wrote

> Chatty Cathy said...
>
>> To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
>> was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
>> parts of the world.

> They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
> times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
> wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
> don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.

I was thinking they were referring to the Purell gel type stuff.

http://www.centralsupplyco.com/purel...zing_wipes.htm

nancy

"Chatty Cathy" > wrote

> Oh, *those* things. We get given them here in restaurants if you order
> anything that needs to be "eaten by hand"! But I have never seen them for
> sale to the general "Joe public" tho'. Thanks for the info.

Heh, and what you're referring to are most likely not anti-bacterial.
Just handiwipes.

nancy

I've seen the cashiers in supermarkets use a waterless hand sanitizer,
and believe it makes sense for them to use it if they want to. Their
job requires them to handle food and money all day and to come into
contact with lots of people. I could see where it would be inconvenient
for them to get up to wash their hands in the restroom every 20 minutes.


The sanitizers also make sense for people with compromized immune
systems (those getting treatment for cancer). They DON'T make sense for
ordinary healthy babies. Parents get the idea that their children are
both precious and fragile. They are precious. They're a lot less
fragile than we tend to think. Their immune systems can take a lot.


--Lia

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> I was thinking they were referring to the Purell gel type stuff.
>
> http://www.centralsupplyco.com/purel...zing_wipes.htm

Now that's something I am not familiar with.... the gel stuff I mean.
Surely it leaves some sort of "residue" on your hands? Call me old
fashioned, but good old soap and water does it for me

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"Julia Altshuler" > wrote

> I've seen the cashiers in supermarkets use a waterless hand sanitizer, and
> believe it makes sense for them to use it if they want to. Their job
> requires them to handle food and money all day and to come into contact
> with lots of people. I could see where it would be inconvenient for them
> to get up to wash their hands in the restroom every 20 minutes.

*Perfect* example, Lia, I couldn't think of one offhand. I do
see they have the dispensers by the register. As I was once a
bank teller, I know how it is handling a lot of money. And I wasn't
handling people's food, too! That does add an ick factor.

nancy

"Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message
> They are precious. They're a lot less fragile than we tend to think.
> Their immune systems can take a lot.
>

Their immune systems will grow more resistant if exposed in small doses to
germs too. Same as the way a vaccine works.

"Chatty Cathy" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:

>> I was thinking they were referring to the Purell gel type stuff.
>>
>> http://www.centralsupplyco.com/purel...zing_wipes.htm
>
> Now that's something I am not familiar with.... the gel stuff I mean.
> Surely it leaves some sort of "residue" on your hands? Call me old
> fashioned, but good old soap and water does it for me

That's why it's odd to me to use it in a kitchen. Just wash your hands.
But for when you are not handy to soap and water, and are involved
in dirty germy work (laugh), it has it's uses. People who shake hands
a lot. Etc. Have compromise immune systems. Whatever.

I have used it, it's no different than putting on hand lotion. It doesn't
stay sticky.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> *Perfect* example, Lia, I couldn't think of one offhand. I do
> see they have the dispensers by the register. As I was once a
> bank teller, I know how it is handling a lot of money. And I wasn't
> handling people's food, too! That does add an ick factor.


Thanks, that's the one place where I think the sanitizers make sense.
Since I have no particular health issues that make me need to do any
more than wash my hands in the bathroom and give a normal scrub to
fruits and vegetables before eating them, I don't worry about what I buy
in the supermarket. It was when I saw a favorite cashier using the
sanitizer that I realized that it was for HER protection, not all the
food going out. I don't know how those ladies do it without getting
sick. During cold and flu season, they come into contact with hundreds
of people daily and essentially shake hands with them all by accepting
money and giving change.


--Lia

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:44:02 +0200, Chatty Cathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
>Vote now!
>
>Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.

Although I have liquid hand soap on hand at the kitchen sink, I just
use the bottle of dish detergent to wash my hands with and I have
dedicated tea towels (not the thicker "hand" towels) that I use to dry
them with.

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Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> Interesting survey.
> There's a missing option for the last question. That's keeping one's
> nails so short that there's no "under" to clean.
> I see that on this list, so far, we don't use waterless hand sanitizer.
> It seems foolish when the water is right there.

True enough, and then there is the issue of the smell. I usually
have a pump bottle of antibacterial soap, but I ran into several
varieties of it that are powerfully scented. It is a PITA when
you wash and rinse your hands and then start to work with your
ingredients before you realize that there is a strong smell and
taste that has been imparted on the food.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message
> > They are precious. They're a lot less fragile than we tend to think.
> > Their immune systems can take a lot.
> >
>
> Their immune systems will grow more resistant if exposed in small doses to
> germs too. Same as the way a vaccine works.


I was a very healthy kid. When I 3 or 4 my mother rushed me to
the doctor because she caught me drinking water out of the ditch.
The doctor told her that if I was any indication of the results
of drinking ditch water he was going to start prescribing it to
other children.

They claim that a lot of diseases are spread through physical
contact that that frequent washing can reduce transmission. OTOH
he have biological systems that have evolved to deal with
invasions by viruses and bacteria. When you wash too often or too
hard you destroy your body's own germ fighting mechanisms.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 17:08:30 +0200, Chatty Cathy
> wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>
>>
>> They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
>> times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
>> wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
>> don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.
>
>Oh, *those* things. We get given them here in restaurants if you order
>anything that needs to be "eaten by hand"! But I have never seen them
>for sale to the general "Joe public" tho'. Thanks for the info.

They are sold to the public and found easily over here. My daughter
buys them because her eczema makes it hurt when many things (including
water) touches her skin. She loves to cook, so she wears those gloves
a lot.

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Andy wrote:
> Chatty Cathy said...
>
> > To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
> > was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
> > parts of the world.
>
> They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
> times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
> wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
> don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.

Those packets handed out at restaurants are not sanitizers, they're
fresheners... they contain mostly plain acidulated water (so not really
waterless) with a tiny bit of emolient, their purpose is to wipe off
schmutz, especially after eating with ones fingers, and to add a
refreshing citrus aroma... esentially those packets take the place of
the finger bowl and wet towels, but a whole lot cheaper. However there
is such a thing as waterless sanitizer, hospitals use it, a lot...
you'll see waterless sanitizer stations straegically located all over,
especially wherever patients are examined, and typically in hospital
bathrooms. Essentially the waterless sanitizer is a pump bottle
containing an emolient with a relatively high percentage of alcohol and
usually some sort of very light fragrance (the emolient to lubricate
from the drying effects of the alcohol but to also prolong the
sanitizing effect by acting as a barrier. Hospitals and doctor offices
also have the same product in packets as wipes, but it is something
you'd definitely want to wash off with plain soap and water before
handling food and/or eating with your fingers.

Sheldon

Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > *Perfect* example, Lia, I couldn't think of one offhand. I do
> > see they have the dispensers by the register. As I was once a
> > bank teller, I know how it is handling a lot of money. And I wasn't
> > handling people's food, too! That does add an ick factor.
>
>
> Thanks, that's the one place where I think the sanitizers make sense.
> Since I have no particular health issues that make me need to do any
> more than wash my hands in the bathroom and give a normal scrub to
> fruits and vegetables before eating them, I don't worry about what I buy
> in the supermarket. It was when I saw a favorite cashier using the
> sanitizer that I realized that it was for HER protection, not all the
> food going out. I don't know how those ladies do it without getting
> sick. During cold and flu season, they come into contact with hundreds
> of people daily and essentially shake hands with them all by accepting
> money and giving change.
>
>
> --Lia

The sanitizers are great to have on a picnic or when we go camping. I
also keep it in the car for when you are on the run. I think the
sanitizers are mainly alcohol. My older sister had everything
sanitized for her when she was a baby. She gets sick all of the time. I
was not overly protected and I am 60 and had a total of 8 or 9 colds in
my life. I have taken care of kids with all sorts of illnesses and
don't catch things. I also don't take antibiotics unless lab tests show
a bacterial infection. I am allergic to a lot of them and don't want to
build up a resistance to them.
Vickie

"Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" wrote

> Oh shut up and clean your fingernails

Had a friend who claimed that when his fingernails got really dirty he
cleaned them out by mixing up a meat loaf. Worked like a charm. :-)

Felice

"Nancy Young" wrote...

> I was thinking they were referring to the Purell gel type stuff.
>
> http://www.centralsupplyco.com/purel...zing_wipes.htm

My friendly neighborhood hospital, Brigham & Women's in Boston, has a
dispenser of the Purell gel on just about every flat surface, easily
available to staff and patients.

Felice

Felice Friese wrote:

>
> Had a friend who claimed that when his fingernails got really dirty he
> cleaned them out by mixing up a meat loaf. Worked like a charm. :-)

Eeewwww! (but funny)

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Chatty Cathy wrote:
> Julia Altshuler wrote:
>
> > Interesting survey.
> > There's a missing option for the last question. That's keeping one's
> > nails so short that there's no "under" to clean.
>
> You have a point. I have fairly long nails, so it didn't occur to me
> either... That's why I always have to clean 'under' them.
>
> > I see that on this list, so far, we don't use waterless hand sanitizer.
> > It seems foolish when the water is right there.
>
> To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
> was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
> parts of the world.

Mild antibiotic liquid I believe or else KFC handwipes,

After the SARES (sp?) scare in Ontario it seemed that all the hopitals
had a jug of the stuff at the front door and a request that any visitor
use the stuff before entering the main part of the hospital.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

sf wrote:
> Chatty Cathy wrote:
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
> >
> >Vote now!
> >
> >Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.
>
> Although I have liquid hand soap on hand at the kitchen sink, I just
> use the bottle of dish detergent to wash my hands with and I have
> dedicated tea towels (not the thicker "hand" towels) that I use to dry
> them with.

Direct skin contact with undiluted dishwashing liquid is harmful
regardless what Madge says (said)... it's a concentrate and should be
permitted to contact skin only when properly diluted.

Why mess up any towel you'll need to launder? A couple three paper
towels for hand drying gets me through preparing an entire meal. And
if I know I'll be doing more kitchen work than preparing just a
sandwich I have a small plastic dish pan I place into the sink and fill
with water as hot as I can stand and a small quantity of dish liquid.
This works for washing hands, knives, and other small utensils as I go.
I really like those mega-rolls of Bounty select-a-size paper towels.
http://www.quickerpickerupper.com/products/sas.shtml

Btw, never ever leave any sharp implements submerged in dish water...
guaranteed you'll forget, and when next you put your hands into that
water the wetting action of the soap/detergent will make it ten times
more likley to slice yourself, and much more severely because the warm
water will prevent you from feeling the slicing until it's too late...
most people won't realize they sliced clear to the bone until they pull
their hand out and see the gush of blood. Like eyeglasses (on your
face or in the case) knives should be in your hand or properly
stowed... it's a very bad habit to leave knives out on the counter and
on the cutting board. When I pick up a knife it never leaves my hand
or my sight until the job is done, it's cleaned, and stowed... and only
one knife at a time is permitted out of my knife block, if ever I
notice an empty slot that can't be accounted for everything stops until
that knife is found.... I treat my knife block like e gun rack.
Fortunately I can't remember ever having to search for a missing knife.

Sheldon

In article >,
Chatty Cathy > wrote:

> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> Vote now!
>
> Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.
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> Chatty Cathy

Goodness! This time I ended up voting with the majority across the
board....

Cool survey CC!

I find it interesting that so few use bar soap anymore.
We even have liquid soap in the bathroom. Much tidier and no more messy
soap dishes to clean.

Ironically, I still prefer to use bar soap in the bathtub tho'. It's
easier to soap up a body scrubbie with a bar than with the liquid stuff.
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In article >,
Julia Altshuler > wrote:

> Interesting survey.
> There's a missing option for the last question. That's keeping one's
> nails so short that there's no "under" to clean.
> I see that on this list, so far, we don't use waterless hand sanitizer.
> It seems foolish when the water is right there.
>
>
> --Lia

I've considered keeping some in the car however.

One of the VERY FIRST things I do after coming home from shopping is to
wash my hands.

It seems to have drastically cut back on colds since the habit was
developed.
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In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> Chatty Cathy said...
>
> > To be honest, I have no idea what "waterless" hand sanitizer is, but it
> > was one of the questions -L. sent in, so I assume its available in some
> > parts of the world.
>
>
> Chatty Cathy,
>
> They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
> times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
> wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
> don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.
>
> Andy

Andy,

There are also liquid hand sanitizers.

We use some at work that is made out of a foaming alcohol mix.
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In article >, Andy <q> wrote:

> Chatty Cathy said...
>
> > But seriously, one can be "too clean" IMHO. A friend of mine was told
> > that by her doctor when she had her kidlette in there 3 days a week for
> > one or another "infection"... He told her that the child needed to be
> > exposed to "normal household germs" in order to build up her immune
> > system. Makes sense to me.
>
>
> CC,
>
> That's true. Some scientists claim that sterilizing kitchen wipes, etc.,
> will as a result, lead to supergerms, resistant to such products, causing
> unknown issues.
>
> The claims and results have yet to be proven.
>
> Andy

Not true. :-(

It's already happening......
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In article >,
Chatty Cathy > wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>
> >
> > They're like Handiwipes, those little sealed packets that unfold about 100
> > times, to the size of a kleenex. Now they're the antibacterial kitchen-
> > wipes for counter cleaning but work as well for wiping the hands (if you
> > don't wear latex gloves) during stages of food prep.
>
> Oh, *those* things. We get given them here in restaurants if you order
> anything that needs to be "eaten by hand"! But I have never seen them
> for sale to the general "Joe public" tho'. Thanks for the info.

Many people keep a container of baby wipes in the car.
They are a quick item for cleaning baby bottoms but are just as useful
for other things.
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In article >,
"Felice Friese" > wrote:

> "Michael "Dog3" Lonergan" wrote
>
> > Oh shut up and clean your fingernails
>
> Had a friend who claimed that when his fingernails got really dirty he
> cleaned them out by mixing up a meat loaf. Worked like a charm. :-)
>
> Felice

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"Sheldon" > wrote:

> I really like those mega-rolls of Bounty select-a-size paper towels.
> http://www.quickerpickerupper.com/products/sas.shtml

Ooh I agree! We use those too. :-)
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> I treat my knife block like e gun rack.
> Fortunately I can't remember ever having to search for a missing knife.

And I can't ever recall having to search for a missing gun..... ;-)

I wash, dry and stow my knives in the knife drawer immediately after use.
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:44:02 +0200, Chatty Cathy
> wrote:

>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
>Vote now!
>
>Thanks go to -L. for sending in this survey.

This one's a little deceptive. I don't scrub my hands in the kitchen -
that's what the bathroom is for. If I'm washing my hands in the
kitchen I'm just using regular water and no soap at all and it's
because something I'm preparing has made them sticky/messy and I need
to get it off to do the next thing, not because I'm unhygenic.

On 18 Nov 2006 09:11:10 -0800, "Vickie in Utah" >
wrote:

>
>Julia Altshuler wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> > *Perfect* example, Lia, I couldn't think of one offhand. I do
>> > see they have the dispensers by the register. As I was once a
>> > bank teller, I know how it is handling a lot of money. And I wasn't
>> > handling people's food, too! That does add an ick factor.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, that's the one place where I think the sanitizers make sense.
>> Since I have no particular health issues that make me need to do any
>> more than wash my hands in the bathroom and give a normal scrub to
>> fruits and vegetables before eating them, I don't worry about what I buy
>> in the supermarket. It was when I saw a favorite cashier using the
>> sanitizer that I realized that it was for HER protection, not all the
>> food going out. I don't know how those ladies do it without getting
>> sick. During cold and flu season, they come into contact with hundreds
>> of people daily and essentially shake hands with them all by accepting
>> money and giving change.
>>
>>
>> --Lia
>
>The sanitizers are great to have on a picnic or when we go camping. I
>also keep it in the car for when you are on the run. I think the
>sanitizers are mainly alcohol. My older sister had everything
>sanitized for her when she was a baby. She gets sick all of the time. I
>was not overly protected and I am 60 and had a total of 8 or 9 colds in
>my life. I have taken care of kids with all sorts of illnesses and
>don't catch things. I also don't take antibiotics unless lab tests show
>a bacterial infection. I am allergic to a lot of them and don't want to
>build up a resistance to them.
>Vickie

I have a normal healthy immune system and I've had antibiotics a
handful of times in my entire life. DH has to use anti-germ bodywash
because he has psoriasis almost all over his body and so there are a
zillion places for nasty germs to settle, but I don't see the need
myself. I have purell on hand for if the water goes off (for awhile
they turned it off at least three times a week because there were so
many apartment renovations going on in the newly-sold building!)

It's strange though - I KNOW that purell will kill the germs but if I
have to wash my hands with it instead of regular water it feels like
I'm not clean!